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Vice Presidency

Posted Monday, May 26, 2008, at 7:33 PM

As I am wont to do, I am going to stick my neck out and take a stab at naming VP candidates for the Nov. election. First I think no chance for Obama/Clinton and certainly no Clinton/Obama if the long shot happened and Clinton prevailed in the primary. For Obama, I pick Bill Richardson. For Clinton, if she can pull it off, which I don't think she can, I pick Ed Rendell and for McCain I pick Charlie Crist and secondly for McCain, who might be feeling left out of the "historic" tenor of this election, I think he could choose Antonin Scalia. That would be a truly historic event for McCain to claim as the election plays out. So I'm on the record and cannot run so I will have just wait and see.


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DEMOCRATS:

Total votes for Obama 17,596,239

Total votes for Hillary 17,650,671

Total votes between Obama and Clinton (excluding all former candidates) 35,246,910

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REPUBLICANS:

Total votes for John McCain (alone) 9,364,478

Total votes for John McCain and Mitt Romney (potential ticket) 13,929,564

Total votes for McCain and Huckabee (potential ticket) 13,505,166

Total votes for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Paul (and every Republican candidates votes were added together) 20,282,433...

DIFFERENCE:

Democrats with a 14,964,477 vote lead...

Now, I realize that is a lot of numbers, but do you really see the Republicans gaining 15,000,000 votes by then? LOL... Nope. Numbers say it all.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 8:22 PM

Why would Antonin Scalia have any desire to run as VP?

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:43 PM

If McCain wants to win the election he better pick a democrat and show the nation that the republican party is ready to unite the nation.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:45 PM

Your figures seem to be based on the assumption that everyone who voted in a party primary will automatically and necessarily vote for that party's nominee in the general election. That may well hold true, but I don't think it's guaranteed.

Your figures assume that all of Clinton's voters will support Obama (or vice versa), and this has been an unusually long and hard-fought campaign. The nominee will have to work hard to consolidate party support. I'm not saying that the also-ran's supporters will cross party lines, but they may stay home or skip the presidential part of the ballot on Election Day.

Of course, there's some of that on the GOP side too -- some religious conservatives said during the contested portion of the GOP campaign that they'd never support McCain.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:51 PM

The figures prove that either candidate in the Democratic Party have nearly the same amount of votes than the entire Republican party combined. I understand those numbers aren't always reflective of the general elections, but thus far we are on track to have more people vote in the primaries than in most general elections.. That is just unheard of.

I agree with Nathan. If they want to PROVE unity is their goal (either party) then they should choose members of the opposing party as their running mates. It would be VERY interesting. And the ultimate proof of bi-partisanship. Still, just skimming the vote totals again, I just can't believe the two Dem's have almost double the vote of the Republicans.. And remember John McCain is essentially unopposed. I find that odd.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 11:09 PM

We haven't really had the luxury of a split ticket since the days when the Vice-President was the "runner-up" in the election.

The desire to minimize internal friction and rivalry and present a somewhat united front led to the two top members of the Executive Branch belonging to the same party.

Candidates have been asked to switch affiliation or declare for one side when they had no real preference.

While neither of the winning candidates is apt to pick a running mate from the other team,they may select one of their own that has a following in the opposing party or is perceived to "balance" the ticket in some other way.

A "defector" from a third party might work better than a second-in-command from either of the major factions.

The Vice-Presidential prospect would have to seem compatable with the Chief Executive,complement the President's strengths and weaknesses and be willing and able to fulfill the role of President (and that particular President's mandate from the voters) should the President be unable to perform the duties of that office.

The President can show bi-partisanship in the choice of Cabinent members,Supreme Court nominees,ambassadors and other appointees.

The President does need to seem above petty rivalries and devoted to the welfare of the country.

It is necessary for a ruler to be able to lead as his or her own self with his or her own competencies and be able to listen to advisors and delegate authority when warranted.

Both the President and the Vice President need to be leaders and team players.

(Puppets and "Prima Donnas" need not apply.)

Whether our current Presidential candidates can demonstrate the ability to "play well with others",while they are courting our trust for themselves,will reveal much of what we can expect from them should they win the highest office in our land.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 3:45 AM

Ed Rendell isn't someone I would've thought of to be a VP for Clinton. Although, thinking about it, I think it makes sense. When we lived in Philadelphia, a lot of people really liked him - at any rate he was much better than Mayor Street.

-- Posted by cfrich on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Well, considering that McCain was the apparent Republican nominee on March 4th, I would imagine that the majority of Republican voters have lost interest in voting in their respective primaries. Why take time off of work to bother voting in a primary if the nominee has already been chosen?

As for the original question of the blog, I think McCain will most likely choose "Chain-Gang Charlie" as his running-mate, although I would prefer to see someone more conservative. As for the Dems...I doubt they can patch their differences in time to choose the other for a running-mate. I have no idea who Obama might choose for a running-mate. Also, Hillary doesn't have a chance unless she pulls something shady, which I thoroughly expect. But in the end, it doesn't really matter to me since I've already decided the candidate that I'll be voting for.

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 11:05 PM

The Democratic National Convention is supposed to meet May 31, right? The primaries are over on June 3, right? I am sure somewhere between June and November, the party will unify around one candidate, or perhaps both, should they team up...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 11:51 PM

The Democratic Convention is in August.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 11:12 AM

I believe May 31st is when they are meeting to decide whether or not to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 1:38 PM

Thanks for your comments.....

Darrick....Your total numbers might impress some, but they are not factual. Your totals, in order to show HRC ahead assumes she will get the MI and FLA votes. An assumption that probably will not eventuate. As of today, Obama is ahead 568,549 votes. Creative gerrymandering of the data adds nothing to the debate.

Again your analysis is flawed. John Carney points to some flaws but you make no allowances for the several states with an open primary. There has been campaigns all across the country having Republican vote in Democratic primaries since they need not vote in the Republican primary.

Nathan..Your question "Why would Antonin Scalia have any desire to run as VP?"..I cannot answer, I don't know why anyone would want either job. (Pres. or VP) I just have studied the situation and think he may be highly considered. For his conservation credentials and the historic event if such occurs.

Nathan and Darrick....Your concern about bi-partisanship seem to me to be displaced. Obama nor Clinton have any record what-so-ever of reaching across the aisle. I know of no Bill whereby either was the prime sponsor that has a co-prime sponsor from the other party. Both espouse they can unify the country yet they are of the Party that flatly ousted a good man, Joe Liberman because he dared support Republican sponsored legislation. Contrast that with McCain's sponsorship with Sens. Liberman, Levin, Kennedy and Feingold. Democrates all.

Beware what politicians say. Behavior scientist all agree the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior, not what they say. Contrast the past behavior of all 3 major candidates re bi-partisanship and tell me the most likely to unify the two parties.

I don't know why I find it so unusual, but no one seems to have any counter predictions on VP candidates

-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 11:22 PM

Carl,

In November Michigan and Florida will count... As they should count now. Therefore it is completely appropriate to include those numbers.

Have a nice day.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 11:43 PM

In november ALL our votes will count, and we should ALL be voting and if you don't, quite complaining. We still are lucky enough to live in a country where we have the chance to vote for our leadership. I'm not real content with any of the choices for fall, but I will be voting.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM

Sharon22 - HEY!! There are two things on which I believe we can all agree.

1) Vote

2) Nobody's really happy with the three main candidates.

See, that's how you unify...find the common ground. Ever thought of running for office? lol

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 1:12 PM

At present I think that would cause more problems than it's worth if I tried to run for any office. I do agree that we would do better if we would find our common ground instead of focusing on the negatives.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 10:55 PM

I am just thinking that if we are telling Florida and Michigan that their votes don't count now, then why should they turn out in November. I took my time to vote in Tennessee and if I was to find out that my vote didn't count then I sure wouldn't take the time to go out and vote in November...would you?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Heck no! I think they should count em, regardless... Thousands of people are going to be outside the DNC meeting protesting. I don't think they can ignore that kind of symbolic gesture. And the majority are from both FL and MI.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 8:34 PM

I do too darrick_04, They are a part of America too. They should have a vote on who they want to be their president.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 11:26 PM

But, the candidates should have gotten the opportunity to campaign in those states. Because of the rules, and the agreement that all of the candidates supposedly signed, Obama didn't campaign in those states. He wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan so you can't say those people had a fair election anyway. The best thing for the party would have been to have a new election, but it's way too late for that now. It's the states' fault that their delegates were in question in the first place.

-- Posted by Thom on Sat, May 31, 2008, at 2:30 PM

The states fault yes... but not millions of voters who had no say in the premature primary. Let's all go vote in good faith in November and have some select committee of 30 people tell us that millions of votes don't count, then we'll see how Obama and McCain feel about that.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, May 31, 2008, at 3:53 PM

First I think no chance for Obama/Clinton and certainly no Clinton/Obama if the long shot happened and Clinton prevailed in the primary. Politically Incorrect by Carl McClanahan ~ May 26, 2008

I think their may be a chance for OBAMA/Clinton after all.....

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Yes.. Sure is! Obama/Clinton '08... !

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 9:53 PM


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