Democratic Convention

Haha! He could hold the convention at all 7 of his houses, that is.. if he knows where they are!

I'm not a democrat or a Hillary fan, but I wouldn't put anything past her. I hope that her wicked little mind does go there! She is after all a woman and we always want to have the last word. It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

What ARE the opinions on WHY Hillary wants to be nominated?

I am not arguing either way, but I am curious what others think. So Hillary wanted her name to be nominated because........?

cmcclanahan,

You are welcome....glad I could help.

No one said the Democrats were having another convention next week...I was talking about the Republican convention.

I never said YOU were the other party...but if the shoe fits wear it. There's nothing wrong with that.

I was just saying if you think that someone other than Obama walks away as the nominee at this point....YOU ARE NUTS!

And by the way, sir, I am not an Obama supporter and I have no concern what party you belong to.

Carl

Are you a fan of George Bush?

AFlynn . . . what self-respecting person would ever admit that out loud? LOL!

AFlynn;

I voted twice for Geo. Bush. As anyone who knows me, or has read my rantings on the blogs, knows I am an Independent of lifelong standing. I have not been happy with all that Geo. Bush has done but he is the sitting President of these United States and as such commands some respect.

In any case, the up comming election is not about Geo. Bush. I am perfectly willing to allow history to judge his Presidency. I can personally remember the rancor about the end of the Presidencies of Truman and Nixon. History now rates Truman among the best and Nixon very favorably although both had worse approval numbers than Bush at the end of their terms.

jaxspike;

Don't you feel at least a little uncomfortable and ashamed hiding in the woods and throwing rocks at people and stating they do not have the courage to say what they think. I place my name and picture on every statement I make here. Why don't you try it??

So Hillary wanted her name to be nominated because........?

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 9:45 AM

My educated guess to your question Steve would have to be...............she wants to be the President of the United States of America, if not in 2008, then 2012./?

Seems to be an awfully lot of Clinton Supporters at the convention tonight :>)

I thought the speech was great and I too, will vote for Obama, although I am a Hillary supporter, she gave me several reason last night why my vote for Obama counts.

I love Hilary but she only did what was expected of her by the convention.

Please... Why would you say, "Obama is MY candidate, and he needs to be elected..." if you don't think he is ready to lead the country. People don't have to say word-for-word what they think, but when it is understand she thinks he is ready, when she throws her support behind him.

Btw, none of us know what kind of back room deal the Clinton's and Obama have worked up. I expect, that she will have a more influential role in the Obama administration than the V.P. could EVER have.

Darrick

I have not had the chance to watch Bill's speech as of yet, but good point and I hope you are right.

I wish President Clinton could run again for office . . . there would be no question he would have my vote. I could care less what he does in his private life as far as who he sleeps with (who isn't having extra-marital affairs in Washington) but I am always amazed by his vision and his ability to see what the average American really needs and what they are going through. Unfortunately though his support of Obama and his inspired words can not sway me to vote for Obama.

So much for Carl's possible theory!!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken....Obama got the nomination.

GM welcome to the nanny state. I agree the convention is pretty tough to stomach. Especially the part about "shared prosperity". I think I know who'll be doing the bulk of the sharing. At what point do I just declare myself a government employee? The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves.

Remember: A government that is big enough to do anything for you is big enough to do anything to you.

I liked Dennis Kucinich's speech. That is some real straight talk.

Wake Up America!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7pt...

XoXo...So many people have said Obama blew it because he didn't chose her to be his Vice President. Maybe, she never wanted it to begin with. What would have been her benefit? She is a powerful Senator, and I doubt she would have resigned that post for anything but the Presidency.

I know lots of people like to think if she is a Vice President, she is one step closer to the Presidency. That is just not true. The last person to be 'Elected' President directly after serving as Vice President was George H.W. Bush. Do you know who it was before him? Martin Van Buren - merely 172 years ago in the 1836 election.

I'd say if she would have been or ever was offered, she would have or did turn it down.

Reader_2;

I gather you position is your assigned task is not to create any proactive comments, just lay in the bushes and throw rocks at everyone else's ideas. Why don't you try to originate an idea? Maybe your head won't hurt too much.

Jaxpike;

If you wrote your name and imported a photo into your comments you would not hear from John Carney. You need some other excuse......???

Actually Mike, they created a a triad government. Each with limited powers. Not a total central government. The reason the Constitution exists is the the original Articles of Confederation was so weak that the Federal branch had essentially no power. It was a nice try but was not practical in dealing with other countries. The government they created bears little resemblance to the one we have now.

As far as a tax, of course they had to institute a tax. The cost of the revolution made us one of the biggest debtor nations on earth at the time. If you recall, the federal income tax was revived again during the Civil War.

As far as living under a rock, I think I've seen enough of the light of day to know when I'm being hustled. But that's ok, when they've finished with my wallet they'll come after yours next.

BTW your paranoia is my healthy skepticism.

I tried to watch several times, but I couldnt. I dont expect the GOP convention to be any easier to stomach though. At what point do we actually consider ourselves a socialist nation? This election cycle or the next?

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:39 AM

Socialist? Hmm.. Tell me about our education and university system (state sponsored and funded). Tell me about Social Security (federally protected and funded). Tell me about the military (isn't that socialist too). NCLB, Patriot Act... Our police are socialized as well. Hmm, our mail (USPS)... FEMA, FCC, FDA, USDA, FTC... ALL of those are government funded regulatory agencies and/or government funded entities, but the ONLY thing you consider socialist is health care... Please, you really need to become educated before you pretend to have any idea what socialism is. It has been around for hundreds of years, it didn't just start with this idea of health care.

About the taxing of small business owners...

It's funny you don't feel that same compassion for the hundreds of thousands of small business owners now, who are being bought out but larger than life corporations, eaten up with inflation and ridiculous costs. Greasemonkey, you are so good at making people fear, that you have no idea how to decipher truth from reality.

Why do I link McCain with Bush? It's simple, check his voting record, why is that important? Because in case you haven't noticed we aren't the only country on this planet (in fact we are one of the very few never mentioned in your Holy Bible), starting wars, inciting fear, and promoting propaganda to sell those fears is not the only thing the government should do.

You, sir, are more than likely a middle class citizen of this country, yet everything has become more expensive for most in your category, while your may have gone up slightly most have not. The taxes Obama proposes are almost unavoidable, but unless you are making over $300,000 a year your taxes will NOT go up... Instead, you'll get a tax CUT. He isn't going to require you to leave your pathetic private insurance, he is just going to make it MORE AFFORDABLE, he isn't going to send boys, girls, men, women, father's, mother's, son's, daughter's etc to fight useless wars, that result in absolutely nothing gained.

Haven't even heard his speech, but I am certain it was amazing. Pity those of you who think we are supposed to have leaders who give us more to fear and call us crazy to have hope for a better tomorrow... How absurd that a political party laughs at the idea of unity because they are the experts at divide and conquer. How laughable that Chef thinks Tennessean's are smart because Obama doesn't lead here. Obama doesn't lead because in this state for MULTIPLE reasons, not ONE of them having a thing to do with intelligence.

Will tonight maybe we'll find out more about Obamanomics. Take from the ones who take a chance and work hard to make something of themselves, give it to the deadbeats and lazy so they can 'get ahead'. Redistibution of wealth is what this is by the goverment. Maybe saner heads will prevail in November. The reason Hussein Obama is not doing good in Tenn is that we are smarter than most in the U.S. Think of all the grief we saved America but not putting Al 'Global' Gore in.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:23 PM

Hmm, it's quite ironic that under Bush we have more of those "deadbeats and lazy" people drawing unemployment, and living off welfare than EVER before in history. Think I'm wrong? Research it yourself... I know, that would require you to back up an obviously erroneous opinion.

Great Convention... ;) Very pleased.

Now...

We are just waiting on Mr. McSame to pick his V.P., lord knows it'll have to be someone good to make up for everything he is out of touch with. Considering he thinks people making just under $5,000,000 a year is middle class! Considering he has no idea how many houses he has (it's not just about the number it is the FACT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW!!!) Considering that he has pre existing conditions (cancer 4 times), as do 57,000,000 people in this country who would not be eligible for health care from PRIVATE insurance companies.... A guy who once supported the freedom to choose, and now is suddenly against it. A guy who once said we shouldn't get into this idea of nation building, now he is the biggest advocate other than Bush and company...

"It makes perfect sense that George Bush and John McCain will be in the Twin Cites next week, because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart."- HILLARY CLINTON ;)

"People, the world over, are more inspired by the power of our example, than by the example of our power."- BILL CLINTON

Words of wisdom!

McCain picked at Woman VP....

I am not saying there should not be any government funded programs, because the government is there to provide certaing things for us that the private sector cant.

What if I wanted to make over $300k per year, well I sure dont want to now. I dont want to stay where I am at, I want to take advantage of all the opportunity in this great country, but if I know I will be rewarded for staying closer to poverty and punished for any success I have why would I want to succeed.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Oh.. so corporations can't inspect their own foods and drug companies can't insure us that their drugs are safe? Cable companies can't screen television shows on their own? Teacher's can't teach without having a check list of what they need to cover, regardless of its relevance? The funny thing is, most of these areas are private sector issues, YET you think the government is necessary... in those instance. Again, Obama's health care plan is NOT a socialist idea, it is A REBATE to make it more affordable through the PRIVATE sector (you don't ever complain about the tax cuts Bush gave you, these would be no different)...

So why don't you tell me what this massive redistribution of wealth consists of? Since you know what socialism is, apparently NOT.

Nice to see you are still uneducated... More people are receiving government benefits (Welfare, W.I.C., food stamps, etc) under Bush i.e. McCain, than at ANY OTHER TIME IN HISTORY.

Why shouldn't small business owners be forced to pay more for their employees benefits, after all you don't want Universal Health Care so the PRIVATE sector must foot the bill... Right?

We aren't in the Bible... Never once mentioned, never once prophesied about... Never once thought of. After all, you and other want English to be the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE, yet Jesus himself would not be welcome under YOUR precondition.

I should add...

NEW YORK - Barack Obama's audience for his acceptance speech likely topped 40 million people, and the Democratic gathering that nominated him was a more popular television event than any other political convention in history.

More people watched Obama speak from a packed stadium in Denver on Thursday than watched the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final "American Idol" or the Academy Awards this year, Nielsen Media Research said Friday. (Four playoff football games, including the Super Bowl between the Giants and Patriots, were seen by more than 40 million people.)

His TV audience nearly doubled the amount of people who watched John Kerry accept the Democratic nomination to run against President Bush four years ago. Kerry's speech was seen by a little more than 20 million people; Bush's acceptance speech to GOP delegates had 27.6 million viewers.

And you say Tennessean's are smarter... HAHAHA.

Must explain why they all stuck around after the entertainment huh? Looked as though the stadium was just as full when he finished speaking as when the performers stopped singing. Also, when I tuned in.. CNN hardly covered any of the performances... So 38 million viewers tuned in to see political analysts and suddenly just turned off the television when he began speaking... Right.

Darrick_04,

Most of the programs you listed would be better served in the private sector. The government is so bloated with wasteful programs that it can not go on like it is now. The current administration has expanded government to such a point that I dont know if we will ever recover. To add more spending, higher taxes, and more silly programs and agencys would be disasterous. If I had my way the size of the government would be cut in half tommorow, along with taxes. The only thing the government should do is what the private sector cant, wont or shouldnt do.

How is your messiah going to pay for all this healthcare? Will he print money with his own holy image on it? With a wave of his mighty hand will he pour out healing on the land? NO, the people who make more than $250k per year will carry this enormous burden.

Again, how is Obama going to pay for all these plans and programs he wants to enact? Or should I say, how will his holiness pay for the blessings he wishes to pour out among the people (as long as they dont have any dreams of success)? It seems that he will have to raise taxes and redistribute a little wealth wouldnt you say?

Do the truly wealthy care? NO, they will pass this burden on, in the form of increased costs through their greedy and evil corporations. So who really pays for these tax increases? Whomever buys anything from any business.

I guess we will be uneducated together, because I dont dispute that we have more people on govt programs now than ever. AGAIN YOU ASSUME I AM A BUSH, CHENEY, MCCAIN, REPUBLICAN SUPPORTER, I AM NOT CHANGE YOUR RECORD.

Why shouldnt small business be forced to pay for health care? Thats easy, its not their responsibility. If they wish to attract the best and the brightest workers, then they will have to increase their benifits package accordingly. The govt has no place to force any business to provide these types of benifits.

I still dont understand what the bible has to do with this. Oh and I think Jesus can speak english.

greasemonkey, I do not argue party politics for a variety of reasons, but I am going to question your belief that the federal government should not be mandating to employers the wage/benefit regulations that they have to comply to. If we did live in a truly free enterprise capitalistic society, I would have to agree with you, but the fact remains that we do not. If there were not governmental safeties, we would very quickly find ourselves in a society that looked a lot more communistic than the one we currently have. The sad fact is that capitol has the advantage, at this point in American history more than any other before.

If left to true market forces, every person that resides in the lower strata of our society (the majority) would likely not even be able to feed themselves, much less a family. If you believe the governmental programs are swollen now, give capitol the opportunity, and you will see them pass off every single responsibility to the public that they can get away with.

Someone does have to pay. Would you rather the costs be included in the price of doing business or just assigned to the public coffers? Sure the cost would be transferred to the end user, but that is how it should be. If the price is not transferred, then the company is in a protected position funded by the public. I guess the end question would be whether you would prefer to pay for healthcare through taxes, or higher prices for goods and services. That is, unless you take the position that healthcare should not be included into the formulation of a livable wage. I personally do believe it should, but I don't guess everyone agrees.

Hmm... Makes me wonder why the DNC had absolutely no troubles with their convention. Meanwhile, the RNC can't get started. I guess a higher power kept the liars, thieves, and hypocrites off the stage for a reason.

memyselfi,

I agree there should be in place some regulations to protect the worker. If we force a company to pay for a benifit, then what else do we force them to give the worker. I have heard rumors of forced payed sick days and bereavment. I admit there is a problem with health care in this country, and I do not have the answer. I think government involvement has already casued a big part of the problem.

darrick_04,

McCain will swell the size of government even more than it is now. He already has talked about plans to increase programs and add new ones. $7 trillion will not even be a down payment for either of these candidates.

I dont understand alot about the health care field, but I know that I do not want to trust my health to the government. They cant even deliver a package on time. By the way I happen to be uninsured right now. I have no desire for the government to be involved in my healthcare either.

darrick_04,

The burden is still on people making over $250k. I have read his health care plan, and I will admit I am still reviewing things in it I dont understand. Anything the govt gets involved in I am skeptical about, especially when the biggest cost is paid by someone else.

His healthcare plan is just one issue of many that bother me. I really havent heard of his plans to do anything that makes sense yet.

Defense of this country is one of the things the govt is in place for, and they do an awesome job of it. We have an outstanding military.

Okay, the entire cost of government is paid for by "someone else" with very few shining examples proving otherwise. The most likely group chosen to pay for something would be those that could pay for it. Our government could not sustain itself for very long taxing the lower end of society to the point of starvation. It has been tried before, and is currently thought of as a being a generally bad move and should likely be avoided if possible. One of the major "projects" of our government happens to be the distribution of wealth. It appears though, that when the wealth goes from the few back to the many, that is considered to be RE-distribution of wealth. I tend to agree with you greasemonkey that if we could rid healthcare from its bureaucracy, initiated at large measure by the government, that would help the situation a lot. However the point remains unsettled, do you believe healthcare should be formulated into the consideration of a livable wage? If so, who do you propose should be paying for it?

And I will say again, government WILL NOT BE IN CONTROL OVER IT...

Greasemonkey,

One suggestion. READ what I said, about how Obama will involve the government in health care. He will NOT force anyone to leave their private insurance, he will MANDATE that private insurance cover all children and will not put people on waiting lists, just because of pre existing conditions. He wants to give (get this) a REBATE--uh hum, a tax CUT... so that we can more readily afford PRIVATE health insurance.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:33 PM

darrick_04,

I have read what you wrote and I have read what Obama wrote, and I dont see the exact same thing. By reading between the lines, which you have to do because there is so much grey area in his plan, it looks like govt will be controlling the cost. He wants to invest (theres that word for more spending) in an insurance exchange, which mandates, by the federal govt, affordability. It also forces insurance companys to issue a policy as good as everyone elses. So if someone has lived a recklessly unhealthy lifestyle, the insurance company has to give them an affordable policy. That forces the insurance company to become unprofitable. In case you were wondering, thats why people start business, is to become profitable.

He also wants to force employer contribution, thats brilliant. If I owned a business, that would be the day I would cut wages and jobs, so I could continue to maintain profits.

He also wants to force disease management. That sounds good, but it opens alot of doors. Is obesity a disease or a reckless lifestyle. Is alcoholism a disease or reckless lifestyle. So will we be forced to be our perfect body size, or forced not to drink. There is alot of areas in this plan that kind of hint at these types of things.

It may not be total govt control, but its definetly enough to screw a bad system up even more, and throwing the economy further down in the process.

So, McCain's plan is to... leave it broken? Sounds like the leader we've had, not the leader we need.