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DisloyaltyPosted Sunday, October 19, 2008, at 6:04 PM
Today I am disappointed with the actions of an American icon, who has, in my view chosen to display to us all his total lack of loyalty to the people who were directly responsible for him becoming the national figure he was, rather than allowing him to languish in anonymity and finish out his career at a much, much lower rank and renown than he actually did.
My feelings of character have directed me to appreciating the most telling and desirable trait: loyalty. If one cannot maintain loyalty to those who have obviously, beneficially, purposefully, without personal gain and at times personal sacrifice, made possible a stature and experience unknown but to only a few in history, then that person shows themselves to be an ingrate of the worse sort. The man I speak of is Colin Powell. He today disavowed all who have been instrumental in his meteoric rise to the high offices he occupied. As anyone familiar with the military knows, all Officer promotions and station orders come from the White House. At low and mid-levels these are sent to and passed by the Congress by the pound. Yes when approaching flag rank, each and every assignment and promotion comes individually from the highest levels at the White House. Colin Powell's journey started as an intern in the Nixon White House, after two tours in Vietnam. He was further nurtured by Presidents Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 to the ultimate military rank of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The highest ranking military man in the country. Along the way he served as Pres. Reagan's National Security Advisor, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Bush 41 and, of course, finally the Secretary of State for Bush 43. All this, as is unheard of, he was not a graduate of any of the Service Academies. He was a geology graduate, with a c average, of the City College of New York and a graduate of the ROTC program at that institution. He is the only person ever to serve as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that was not a alumnae of one of the Service Academies. So having received and accepted the unselfish largess of many, many very influential people including at least 4 Presidents, today he repays them by endorsing Obama. His right, but only a despicable human being would display a total lack of loyalty to those who have been kind to him for years. I have resisted the notion of race playing any part in the election and had truly hoped it had not, but I cannot escape the notion that Colin Powell is not a man of character and threw his legacy away to endorse Obama just because he is black. I expect you will now read from all the usually suspect on here I am racist. I don't know why they refuse to read what's in front of them, like the archives of my blogs and a piece I wrote on Martin Luther King. Also on another one of my blogs I, when addressing not liking either candidate very much, I put Colin Powell on a short list of who I could support as the nominee. Also, sadly he had people fooled so badly, McCain, reportedly had him on his short list for V P candidates. I will get over my disappoint but I doubt is Colin Powell ever outlives the outrage for his display of disloyalty and betrayal of those who, with no thought of personal gain, aided him as he navigated his career path. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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I greatly admire him. I've always said that he was one Republican I could have voted for for president.
I think it takes great courage to go against everything you've ever stood for and do the right thing, which for him, was giving a public endorsement to the man he supports. Would you want him to lie and say he supported McCain when he didn't? To me, that is even worse than disloyalty.
As one of my favorite literary characters said, "There is all kinds of courage. It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends."
This is what Powell did when he spoke out against Bush, and what he has done once again in supporting Obama. I admire his bravery.
obviously he has lost sight of what is really important.
how could anyone want to be known as a man who placed his country ahead of his political party?
and dont lose too much sleep over showing your race card. you arent as good a poker player as you think, everyone has been able to tell it was there all along.
So what. President Bush and Dick Cheney played him like a fool. Probably got his eyes wide open now.
It's not even so much your comment that reeks, it is the fact that you refuse to accept the fact that Powell endorsed Obama for any other reason than because 'he is black.'
Maybe Powell is impressed with Obama's ideas for our country. Maybe he is impressed with his Presidential appearance and demeanor. Maybe he honestly believes that Obama will be a better leader than McCain even though he isn't a Republican. Maybe, just maybe, he is frightened of the possibility of a Palin administration like the majority of American. Maybe he judges McCain's decision making from this very VP choice, or the fact his campaign is calling a man who, regardless of the outcome of the election, half of voting Americans will support a friend of terrorist and a socialist. (As if a 21st century slur wasn't enough to condemn a man we also need to resurrect McCarthyism.)
Colin Powell could be accused of supporting Obama for a hundred reasons and not one of them being, 'because he is black.'
But, let us not forget that you also, along with a thousand other writers throughout the years, wrote an article about Martin Luther King.
If I conducted my life with your train of thought, it would be okay for me to spout anti-semitism remarks in your blog and expect to not be challenged because I happen to work for a Jewish family.
As far as loyalty is concerned, you mentioned two men, Nixon and W, who share one thing in common -- being a vastly disliked President.
If you're suggesting Powell threw away his legacy for not supporting a party and two such administrations that gave him his rise, I would say he saved it by turning his back to them.
Or Maybe he just thinks McCain can not run the country.
Oh the irony of that one word "MAVERICK"... McCain is constantly talking about he has "reached across the aisle" more times in one year than Obama has in tenure as a U.S. Senator...
Yet, when someone, such as Colin Powell who had the dignity and courage to step down as Secretary of State (when he realized the information he had been prepped to give at the U.N. were nothing but outright lies), "reaches across the aisle" and becomes a "maverick" the Republican base goes to whining and crying... How is it acceptable to claim this heroic maverick status and then have your campaign dismiss the most maverick act to date.
"So having received and accepted the unselfish largess of many, many very influential people including at least 4 Presidents, today he repays them by endorsing Obama. His right, but only a despicable human being would display a total lack of loyalty to those who have been kind to him for years."
I respectfully disagree with this notion... The Republican executive branch USED Colin Powell to help sell their ridiculous "war on terror"... The head of the CIA at the time (Tenet) and others used faulty intelligence and even tampered with reports to make them seem more of a threat than they really were. They put him on the line in front of the entire world and had him single handedly make the case for war. He knew, very shortly after than much of what was being said by one official was not being confirmed by another, and I would say by far, he was and still is the most respected former member of the Bush administration. He parted ways with the party that betrayed him, so to talk about "disloyalty" as somehow he hasn't been dealt that hand is mere irony.
Dear Mr. McClanahan:
You have been warned repeatedly of peering beneath the shiny surface of the lake. Don't you understand that just underneath, hidden from view, is where the minnows school?
Not clever in the slightest way.
Very clever if you have understanding.
The hate brigade is out in full force today . . . YIPEE!
Colin Powell is a decent guy and is entitled to choose whoever he wants to support just like those in the Republican party are entitled to be unhappy about the decision. That is life . . . hopefully it will not result into negative name calling and such.
I think it proves exactly how much a maverick McCain ISN'T.... Does he think he is the only one allowed to reach across the aisle? Colin Powell is an amazingly intelligent man, as is evident by stepping out of the Bush regime before it imploded.
I agree to with with darrick over the fact that the current President Bush betrayed Colin Powell over the false intelligence leading to the war with Iraq.
I also don't believe that loyalty should be the only reason to endorse a candidate for President. Could it be that Colin Powell wrestled with this and gave it a great deal of thought before making up his mind that he thinks Barack Obama is the best candidate for President? I think that loyalty should only go so far when it comes to the future of America.
Obama now wants to change world . . . I guess he couldnt figure out how to fix America. LOL!
Maybe Powell endorsed Obama because of the promise he has received to be a part of Obama's administration . . .
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...
I think someone would have to be insane to vote for Obama, but thats what makes this country great. You are free to choose. If he is supporting the candidate he feels represents him then he is doing the right thing.
I agree with Obama on some issues but the most important issue at hand is the economy and his solutions and policies in my opinion do not solve the problem we are facing and in fact will more and likely will make it even worse. That is why I am not voting for him . . . not because I dislike him as a person (I do despise many of his supporters who claim to represent the Democratic Party and disgrace it in the process).
That is just my opinion though . . .
What policy don't you agree with jaxspike? The fact that you, a middle class citizen will benefit more under Obama than under anyone else's plan or the fact that you may have more affordable, private health insurance?
Obama understands he can't solve every problem, no person in history ever has... that is nothing new and the Democratic supporters understand that. But when you compare the two BIG party candidate running, and the only two of which your vote will be of any value (not saying it is uselss, because it isn't, just in the overall scheme of things it won't change a thing) then there is a clear distinction between McCain and Obama. McCain literally had different solutions every other day to fix the economy... I guess that happens when your campaign finance advisor was fired from her job as CEO of HP. Lol...
what about all of the white people that are voting for the next president of the united states, are they voting for Obama because he is black as well, just because he does not agree with your ancient way of thinking doesn't mean he is disloyal. Mr Powell is a very articulate intelligent man he knows full well what he is doing. Again its quite evident that you can't handle the thought of a black man as president of the United States, regardless of the article you wrote on Martin Luther King...he wasn't running for president was he? You say your not a racist but that was a pretty racist statement sir. I could care less if you are or not but what bothers me is the lies that Mccain and people like you are trying to spread about him being Muslim and now you are so ignorant as to say that powell is only voting for him because he black, sounds to me like your not voting for him because he is black and thats a fact-Jack!!!
I am sorry but, my vote may not have any value, but I will not have lent my support to two individuals that will destroy whats left of this country. I would hate to know I was voting for someone just because they didnt have an "R" by his name or just because he may be the lesser of two evils. Talk about a vote with no value.
I think this is what I have hated the most in this entire campaign, People bashing one another.
When someone chooses McCain they are called racist and when someone chooses Obama they are voting for him just because he is black.
There are a lot of people who will not vote for Obama because of his association with his so called friends and that is their right to do so.
Many will not vote for McCain just because of the things Bush has done and again that is their right to do so.
Nobody should ever feel pressured into voting for someone they are not comfortable with whether it be Obama or McCain.
My problem is I am not comfortable with either one.
So I am not voting for the black man nor the old white guy, I am standing in the middle. Right now I am trying to decide if I should even bother to "go throw my vote away" on a third party vote or just stay home and hope for the best.
WOW ... I love reading the comments of narrow minded individuals. I have a teenager with more knowledge and values that those of most who have commented on here. Thanks for the Laugh on my lunch break!...
Juju35,
Who in particular are you attacking?
Anyone think it is ironic that the same blogger who wrote a three blogs with the word "Bipartisanship" in them, is in total temper tantrum mode of Disloyalty of Party... It is also worth nothing, that while Carl is now giving grammar lessons, he should check the spelling of one of the blogs titled "More on Bipartisanship" in which he misspelled the title itself. Hint: there are only three "i"'s in Bipartisanship;)
It is just funny.
I definitely understand what you mean Dianatn.
This article and what Biden says really disturbs me . . . it is almost like they know they are going to make some very unpopular decisions and already justifying it (which is odd considering they haven't even won the election yet).
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/...
EVERYONE votes in EVERY election. The only difference is some go to the polls and vote for their candidate of choice and the rest stay at home and vote for the candidate that is not their choice. Where did anyone conceive the idea that everyone does not vote in every election?
WOW...I love how people make comments about others without throwing out their own thoughts to be judged....it just makes life easier doesn't it?
This is absurd. Are you trying to say that we should never, ever disgaree or stray from the people who help us along the way? So, we should never leave our jobs for better careers? Or accept a position with another company in order to better ourselves? It's the same thing. You can appreciate what someone has done for you, without having to limit yourself.
His only loyalty as a member of our armed forces, is to this country. As far as politics go, it's every man for himself.
People change. Our ideals and personalities change. We become enlightened. We're changed by hardship or personal tragedy. Our priorities change. This is life. Anybody who is unwilling to change, is only limiting their own potential.
I hate that he is for Obama, but I am glad he is thinking for himself.
Jaxspike,
Interesting article. Looks like between Biden's latest comments and his opinion that Obama will be having on-the-job training, we could be in for an international "testing" we haven't seen since Carter's Iran fiasco in 1979-80.
Why don't we just eliminate this period of testing and elect one that already has the experience needed to maneuver an international crisis.
Carl you opened a can of worms didn't you :)
I can't say that I'm all that shocked. Powell knows he would have no seat at the table in a McCain administation and at his age, this is his last shot. Obama came out and said that Powell would have a role as an advisor right after the endorsement. Do the math.
As much as it pains me, this election is pretty much over. It pains me because I've seen my country throw in the towel. In my adult life I've seen the Reagan revolution devolve into what will essentially be socialist Europe. We've been on this march for some time now because leaders of parties can't look their fellow Americans in the eye and tell them truth. They can't tell them the truth because Americans no longer are willing to do the things required of them when they hear it.
We get the leadership we deserve. Welcome to France.
Who is afraid of socialism? The residents of Bedford County received over $200 million of transfer payments in 2006 from the federal government. These are social security, medicaid, medicare, veterans benefits etc.
I don't think I have received any "transfer payments?" I do know that I have a significant amount of money taken from my paycheck for social security and medicare. If that is what you mean by socialism, then Americans have been taken part in it for years.
I also know that I am totally against the bailout. I'm tired of paying for top of the ladders to go on retreats and "conferences" to the beach. We have that going on in Bedford County.
Who do you think Condoleezza is going to vote for Carl?
I have been paying into social security for over 30 years now and they are saying I probably will never be able to collect a dime of it..that don't seem much like socialism to me, it seems more like theft.
If I had been putting that money in the bank every week for 30 years and when I went to withdraw it the bank said "Oh sorry we used that money for something else" We would be ready to burn the bank to the ground but yet we accept this from our government. How messed up is that?
I have been paying into social security for over 30 years now and they are saying I probably will never be able to collect a dime of it
Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Oct 20, 2008, at 10:36 PM
Dianatn,
Remember Bushs' proposal for social security deductions being replaced?
I saw on the news yesterday where a reporter was asking some Obama supporters if they thought that Obama's polices leaned towards socialism and they actually responded with "What is wrong with socialism?". *sighs*
Do they actually teach anything in schools and colleges anymore? But hey, if the government wants to continue to give me a welfare check, um I mean stimulus check, then so be it . . . I need a new computer anyway. :-)
parkerbrothers . . . Bush proposal though would have been a failure especially with the current problems on Wall Street.
jaxspike,
Long term it would have been a huge success.
Even with the market like it is today I would be much better off today with the money I have had taken from my earnings placed in the market.
The only way Bushs' proposal could be veiwed as any less than at least as good as social security would be for the stocks to crash to zero which is what the social security I have paid in is worth.
Only $5,000.00 invested in Wal Mart in 1971 would be worth 10 million today.
I saw on the news yesterday where a reporter was asking some Obama supporters if they thought that Obama's polices leaned towards socialism and they actually responded with "What is wrong with socialism?".
Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 7:16 AM
And still some can not see it. Oh, the art of deception by Demcrats.
I saw on the news yesterday where a reporter was asking some Obama supporters if they thought that Obama's polices leaned towards socialism and they actually responded with "What is wrong with socialism?".
Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 7:16 AM
daz jus cain't wate ta gat sum a dem big ole checks Ohamer Dabomer haz a bean taleing dem day gonnuz get. Ala der kids gonnuz hav sum a dem Micka Jodan tenne shu.
So Nike will benefit? Paying child labor a few cents a day to soak up the "entitlements" of the poor here. Who woulda figured?
Let me add, that in Bedford County we have a government associated utility that provides power (TVA), public funded schools, public funded roads, public funded collges - or the potential, agriculture program payments, subsidized housing, etc. etc. Most of these programs were non existant less than 80 years ago, but are now a part of our society. The residents of Bedford County get their share, and a lot of people, including Republicans, are dependent on these income streams. So what is socialism?
As for social security investments in the Stock Market, I would have bought blue chips like Polaroid, GM, Ford, Bethlehem Steel, International Harvester, Enron, Braniff Airlines and Eastman Kodak.
Socialism is apparently any program directed to the lower classes that does not involve trickle down from the wealthy. To "enable" a certain class of society is free market though, and the American way.
So what is socialism? -- Posted by Grit on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM
"Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society." As you can see socialism is more concerned with the production, distribution, and ownership. Not the provision of services such as you have listed.
As for social security investments in the Stock Market, I would have bought blue chips like Polaroid, GM, Ford, Bethlehem Steel, International Harvester, Enron, Braniff Airlines and Eastman Kodak.
-- Posted by Grit on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM
Under Bush's plan you would not have chosen which stocks you bought. The thinking would have been done for you, yet again.
So Nike will benefit? Paying child labor a few cents a day to soak up the "entitlements" of the poor here. Who woulda figured?
-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 8:13 AM
memyselfi,
Da boz nead ta luk coole when drankin da suds.
I think racist oriented comments should not have a place in this forum and the person I am directing my comment to knows what I am talking about.
Points can be made without such statements!
Under Bush's plan you would not have chosen which stocks you bought. The thinking would have been done for you, yet again.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 9:37 AM
Dianatn,
I still do not think even the Democrats could have screwed up that plan though?
Tim Baker.....guess I did at that. Hate to see you giving up. People like you who can think and act in a coherent manner and are truly interested in the betterment of all, is the only way we can survive as a Republic so hang in.......It's not over yet.
Nathan.....I think Ms. Rice will vote for McCain.
Many seem to falsely state I am disappointed in Powell's repudiation of the Republican Party. Please point out where I even mentioned Republican in this piece. I have no interest in anyone's loyalty to Party, just to people and I stand by my thesis he used many, many people to gain the stature he has and then totally disavowed their assistance. This to me is betrayal for personal gain.
T-G Poll
Have the presidential and vice presidential debates had any impact on your choice in the election?
Yes - I was undecided and made up my mind: 10.5% (35 votes)
Yes - I favored one candidate but now favor the other: 2.1% (7 votes)
Yes - I favored a candidate but now am undecided: 3.9% (13 votes)
No: 83.4% (277 votes)
332 votes cast
I think this echo's the futility of arguing about politics in a two party system. Most of us haven't jumped ship or persuaded someone else to do the same since the start. Maybe many of us even voted in this poll. If the debates, the so called 'game changers', do not bring forth changing of allegiances, then small talk and blog posts do not stand a chance.
Yeah but 16% said that it did make some kind of difference in their candidate choice or lack thereof . . . and that could make a difference in who gets elected and who doesn't.
I'm sure your right. I regretted making that cynical comment as soon as I posted. This election is just taking its toll on me. I'm mentally exhausted from it. I can't wait until the World Series starts Wednesday so I can have some distraction up to election night.
My husband has actually changed his mind. One of his biggest problems with Obama is he thought his healthcare plan was socialized medicine. After he listened to the debates and to me, he went and researched both healthcare plans. He's come to the conclusion Obama's is better than McCain's, and he is probably going to vote for Obama. He's never voted Democrat in his life. He even voted for McCain in 2000, but he said today's McCain is the not McCain of 2000.
Yeah, I hear you . . . I am ready for it to be over with and done. Of course, Obama is going to cut in and push back the start of one of the World Series games for his infommercial so you wont be able to totally escape from it.
jaxspike, I believe the racist comment is fair and worthy of attention. It is true that we have a segment of our population that is under-educated and so driven by consumerism that it dominates their lives to the degree that their immediate goal is acquiring a new pair of over-priced shoes to justify their value as a human being. Whether they be they black or white or brown is of no consequence. As sad as it may be, they are a product of our society. Instead of turning away from them by ignoring the reality of their existence, we should be looking at ways to help them develop into engaged informed citizens over the long run. Or at the very least begin to curtail this reality before it encroaches upon yet another future generation.
Yeah true memyselfi . . . but the way in which it was stated was tacky and counter-productive to the argument at hand.
Jax...Don't say that! I'm hoping the Rays win in 4 games!
You folks seem to have forgotten that obama is just as white as he is black.
You folks seem to have forgotten that obama is just as white as he is black.
-- Posted by jim8377 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:54 PM
And exactly what does his race have to do with any of his policies or his past?
I think the point of that post was to say that Colin Powell didn't endorse Obama solely on the issue of race.
Oh yea that was what this blog was about :Sorry I forgot :>)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14891
-Speaking of disloyalty.. How about the finger-pointing, blame game of the McCain campaign. ;)
My favorite part:
"The fact is, when you're the party standard-bearer, you have an obligation to fight to the finish," this strategist continued. "I think they can still win. But if they don't think that, they need to look at how Bob Dole finished out his campaign in 1996 and not try to take down as many Republicans with them as they can. Instead of campaigning in Electoral College states, Dole was campaigning in places he knew he didn't have a chance to beat Clinton, but where he could energize key House and Senate races."
A House Republican leadership aide in an e-mail was no more complimentary: "The staff has been remarkably undisciplined, too eager to point fingers, unable to craft any coherent long term strategy. The handling of Palin (not her performances, but her rollout and availability) has been nothing short of political malpractice. I understand the candidate might have other opinions and might be dictating some aspects of the campaign to staff -- but the lack of discipline and ability to draft and stick to a coherent message is unreal. You have half of the campaign saying Ayers is a major issue, and then the candidate out there saying he doesn't care about a washed up terrorist. You have McCain one day echoing Milton Friedman and the next day echoing FDR."
This is also hilarious.
"Lashing out at past Republican Congresses, … echoing your opponent's attacks on you instead of attacking your opponent, and spending 150,000 hard dollars on designer clothes when congressional Republicans are struggling for money, and when your senior campaign staff are blaming each other for the loss in The New York Times [Magazine] 10 days before the election, you're not doing much to energize your supporters.
Hey Darrick, I wonder what size Palin wears??? I'd say shes about my size and I sure could use those clothes since there going to charity and all!
I sure hope she got some nice designer purses to match, a woman can never have enough purses or shoes ya know!
Hey Darrick, I wonder what size Palin wears??? I'd say shes about my size and I sure could use those clothes since there going to charity and all!
-- Posted by Disgusted on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 5:49 PM
I sure hope she got some nice designer purses to match, a woman can never have enough purses or shoes ya know!
-- Posted by Disgusted on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 5:51 PM
ONLY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL... you probably do wear the same size clothing.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a $150,000 wardrobe that looks exactly the same, every day?
Speaking of disloyalty ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4Tl3vHr...
How can someone with expensive clothes be capable of a leadership role? Everytime a question gets asked about Obama the answer is "your a racist" or "shouldnt we be sticking to the issues instead of slinging mud". Again I am not supporting Palin, but come on. This is a little silly isnt it. Obama may have gotten the nomination illegally through ACORN, and everyone crys foul because the woman wheres nice clothes. Grasping at straws arent we. Or let me try a little Obama style tactic, yall dont like her because shes a woman, lol.
I don't like her because she makes no sense and talks in circles! Enough of the (Joes-six-pack,red-neck-hockey-mom) crap too. She certainly does not represent all woman, she's an embarrassment to some of us!
$150,000 for clothes is over the top, I don't care who you are!
LOL, typical. I dont believe she is fit to lead, but it has nothing to do with fashion.
Obama supporters keep getting crazier and crazier. lol.
Obama supporters keep getting crazier and crazier. lol.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, at 4:28 PM
I don't recall commenting on who I support, matter of fact I don't support either of them. I do think we could handle a female President, just not her!
Shes not running for president.
LOL, typical. I dont believe she is fit to lead, but it has nothing to do with fashion.
No, but it does show how easily the money will be spent! It also is the complete opposite of the image she first came across trying to present.
Shes not running for president.
-- Posted by greasemonkey
I know that, but she could end up being the President before the term ends!
Disgusted,
AMEN!
Greasmonkey,
She is not a supporter of Obama either...
Carl,
For having written an entry on the lack of civility in modern politics, I have to say that I'm disappointed in you here.
Loyalty is good only so long as it provides for the greater good of the country. This country itself was founded on the notion that loyalty has its limits, and when the group you have been loyal to goes too far, it is time to break ranks to facilitate change.
Throughout his history, Gen. Powell has always put his country first, and in this case, I can see no other explanation for what he has done here. You may not agree with him, but that is your right, and he has stood up to fight for your right to disagree with him time and time again.
I've always held the general in great respect, in spite of our political differences, and this episode has only reinforced my opinion of him.
In civil discourse, every player is entitled to their own take on things. Gen. Powell's decision to break with his party and his friends was no doubt a very troubling and difficult decision for him. Perhaps, in keeping with your chosen theme of civility, we should examine what it is that led him to this decision, instead of voicing outrage that he disagrees with your chosen position. We might learn something.
Disgusted,
So with that logic am I to assume she will be spending all of the taxpayers money on clothes? And so what if she becomes pres before the term ends, she still has more experience than Obama, not to mention more common sense. Neither individuals are fit to lead anything larger than a state right now.
Is it logical to spend $150,000 on clothes?
Common sense tells me as a working mother of 5 myself, you wouldn't want me that close to the White House, especially not on a bad day.
As Darrick stated, I don't support Obama either!
As Darrick stated, I don't support Obama either!
-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM
You may not be too far gone after all. :):)
Yes its completly logical if thats what you want. Who are we to tell people what they should spend their money on. I apologize for calling you an "obama supporter". I would not want that lable thrown on me either.
Who are we to tell people what they should spend their money on.
Thats my point, it's not (her) money!
I spend (my) money on what I want, the only person I have to answer to is my husband (ha right), not the entire United States. They are all in a position to expect no less than Americans to pass judgement.
I spend (my) money on what I want, the only person I have to answer to is my husband
Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, at 2:24 PM
Disgusted,
I guess the good news is you will only have to answer to your husband half as much if Obama gets to play Santobama next year with half your money.
The bad news is that it would be like having to say "good morning honey" to two husbands then.
Powell worked on the Republican party with Bush, and seen how he ran this country, and was not pleased at what he saw, lots of job losses, higher gas and food prices, extreme spendings and depts throught our ecconomy, all which "REALLY" hurt the middle and lower class, and lied about this war as well as put him in a spot. He knows "GOOD AND WELL" that McCain will run this country if not "EXACTLY" then very "SIMILAR' to the way Bush did. Being that McCain is the nominated president for the Republican, and Obama the nominated president for Democrat, he chose the one he thought would be best for what he has to choose from. Why would you stay with a party that is led by a commander in cheif which done it's country wrong and will be lead by a new person that will continue to do the exact same leadership as the old commander in cheif.
I do believe their are some that will vote for Obama because he is Black, just like I believe their are some that will "NOT" vote for him just because he is black. The truth is their are "FAR MORE MIDDLE AND LOW CLASS AMERICANS" here than their are "VERY WEALTHY" and the middle and low class has been getting the short end of the stick for years and realize they want someone in the White house that cares about their Jobs, Health Insurance, Taxes, Education, Food - Gas - Cost of Living, as well as Retirement. And these things are not going to benefit them as long as our President and the white house is constantly "CATERING TO THE WEALTHY" by means of middle and low class trickle down affect, and all the middle class and low class are getting is bread crumbs of what the wealthy leave on the table.
I do not agree with taking from the rich and giving to the poor, just like I do not agree with taking from the poor and giving to the rich. And I believe this has both been going on for decades. I feel there should be a regular tax rate % that applies to all 3 classes wealthy, middle, and poor but I do not feel the wealthy should have extra special deductions and tax cuts that apply for them that the middle and poor class do not get. The Govt. should be over some things they already are, but their needs to be more and better regulations on who and what companies are getting benefits from the Govt.
There is always going to be the 3 classes, and the middle and low class are going to need assistance and help, if the more wealthy do not care to set up programs to help middle and lower class groups then their is no choice but to go to the Govt. programs and assistance for help. The system was only to give money, food, insurance coverage, shelter. Their needs to be a system in place to not just give but HELP create, prepare, middle and lower class to be able to depend and make it on themselves. To me this will help eliminate the dependence so much on Govt.
It's time to start thinking smart about what exactly do the poor and middle class need to survive without assistance from the govt. Descent income, and affordable home and living based on that income. If their aren't enough jobs out their for people, or people with slight disablilities then we need to be creative and come up with jobs for them.
Smarter preventive medicine measures, America needs to become more healthier in what we eat and our daily activities. Allergies, Diabeties and Obesity, High Cholesterol, High Blood Pressure, etc. Some of these things could be preventive if we Buckle down and make this a way of life to take care of. This will help decrease health care spending. I am not for "FORCING EVERYONE" on a health care plan, because everyone can not afford it. But those that can't need to take these preventive medicine measures as well as those that can afford insurance.
Food, Transportation, Health, Shelter, and Income are very important to all Americans and we need to find a better way to support these needs for all of us with out going into dept. Ideas and smart thinking need to come into play by all for better solutions.
The system was only to give money, food, insurance coverage, shelter. Their needs to be a system in place to not just give but HELP create, prepare, middle and lower class to be able to depend and make it on themselves. To me this will help eliminate the dependence so much on Govt.
-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 1:01 PM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Sounds like you are saying there needs to be another program to get the people off the dependency caused by the programs in the first place.
Remove the programs and you remove the dependency.
You can never wean a calf off of the bottle by changing the color of the nipple. The nipple has to be removed from the calfs' presence before a weaning will take place.
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Also I take it you have never seen card games being played with food stamps? You could purchase the food stamps from the recepients for anywhere from .15 to .50 on the dollar so they could have cash to buy beer and cigarettes with.
In my earlier years I have seen over $15,000.00 of food stamps on the table in one game. I never played the cards but had friends who had friends that did and I have seen it.