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CivilityPosted Tuesday, October 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM
Civility. I have reached the point whereby I am convinced this word is totally absent from the vocabulary of many, if not most of the people. I never thought I would see this day, yet here it is. The relatively new forum of the blogs seems to have brought not an appreciative round-table for the exchange of ideas but an arena to anonymously show the very worse of mankind's animosity towards their fellow man. (man in the sense of being human)
Here on the blogs a few, overtly and marching in the sunshine for all to see, seek to promote ideas, convey news and/or information of some kind. They are clearly identified and by definition proactive since they initiate the theme of each blog. Now come many who feel their task in life is to lay in the bushes and often in childish, caustic verbiage inform anyone with a creative idea how wrong they are! And we wonder why many ideas, perhaps earth shattering ideas may never reach the light of day because many good people will not subject themselves to the pithy, asinine, idiotic and savage abuse of anonymous people, some if not many of whom are clearly idiots. These folks profess, nay insist they know exactly what you are thinking! They not only know what you say is wrong, they know your history and why you are saying it! Information by osmosis and/or ESP…..incredible! They know instinctively your total and exact theories on history, politics, religion, relationships, etc. No rational person can read the comments on these blogs and reach any other conclusion in my opinion. I can see the day soon whereby the T-G may decide these blogs are a detriment instead of an asset and the very idiots that cause this decision will live in ignorant bliss that the had nothing to do with it. My stated interest here is in the area of politics. I so state in my bio. In politics, I can remember a time in the not too distant past when all advertisements and speeches from a candidate and his supporters were a positive outline of his position on issues. Today it is in many cases, negative from day one. The aim is to personally reduce the other candidate to a callous, evil, characterless lout who is a totally worthless human being. In so doing I guess the aim is to say, "Hey, I'm not as bad as that so vote for me." One just said, "I can't screw it up any worse than they did." I leave the meaning up to you, but the statement is factual, if not verbatim, then in paraphrase. The one phenomena that is rife on these blogs is the notion if one candidate says something intended to be negative and shows the other candidate in a bad light and you point out factually they are incorrect, then you are being negative! How is refuting a statement, factually, negative?? Well I will lament no further. The time I remember not so long ago, the candidates could campaign on the merits of their record and when it was over, the candidates could, and would, shake hands and sincerely go about working together to make a better place. They didn't worry about sacrificing the welfare of citizens just to make the other Party look bad. We badly need to find our way to that place again or else we are possibly, even likely, to be on our way to becoming a third-world banana republic that can't even grow bananas. Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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Momof3&3step&1gran,
I wish you understood the mortgage industry crisis and what actually caused it but I am afraid if you have not lived and experienced it, it would be impossible to explain to you in a way that can be understood.
parkerbrothers, do you CONSIDER yourself a CHRISTIAN? Do you pray for others? You claimed you give to others but wanted to be discrete about it so your right hand did not know what your left hand was doing. Now if you are doing as God has asked you to do, and is trying to follow how God leads you, Should I and everyone else start calling you a messenger from God? Are we going to have to bow down and worship you? I mean after all I beleive you have this "MESSED UP" BELIEF that God has appointed you to preach His word, and that You are "ALL KNOWING OF ALL THINGS" being that you still like to play the Dummy that sitteth upon the Humans lap, and speak for him when someone is talking to the human.
Momof3&3step&1gran, His Word also says if a man don't work he is not to eat.-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 11:23 PM
We are to be Laborers and Doers of God!
Yes man is not suppose to be Idle. Do you not think that middle class lower class people work and still need help. Also those people that you see not working, probably are working, but not through regular employment, such as odd & end jobs, entrapenural type jobs, even some illegal jobs - alot of these people either had a hard time getting a job, or felt they could make more, faster, and easier that way, and yet they still can not live off of it. Some may do work for a place to stay, but still need help with food, clothing, and medical expenses/coverage. Regardless God is the Judge of them not man, and he knows what is and what aint. This does not excuse you or me from doing what he told us to do, give to the poor.
When you Build your homes, do you borrow money from the bank, or do you have the money saved already to build your homes? If not, and you have to borrow money from the bank, then you have no room to talk anymore. The banks are recieving "BAIL OUT" money "HAND OUT" money from middle and lower class working people that probably needs help themselves, just so that they can begin giving you opportunity to continue your Business.
And the rich are suppose to help and give to the poor. You and your other shouldn't have no problem then of what has been claimed that Obama is going to Redistribute the wealth among the wealthy and poor. It is what God wants, and is of God, and he likes not he that goes against his word.
Posted by And the rich are suppose to help and give to the poor. You and your other shouldn't have no problem then of what has been claimed that Obama is going to Redistribute the wealth among the wealthy and poor. It is what God wants, and is of God, and he likes not he that goes against his word.
Posted by And the rich are suppose to help and give to the poor. You and your other shouldn't have no problem then of what has been claimed that Obama is going to Redistribute the wealth among the wealthy and poor. It is what God wants, and is of God, and he likes not he that goes against his word.
Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
His Word also says if a man don't work he is not to eat.
And the rich are suppose to help and give to the poor. You and your other shouldn't have no problem then of what has been claimed that Obama is going to Redistribute the wealth among the wealthy and poor. It is what God wants, and is of God, and he likes not he that goes against his word.
Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 10:02 PM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Now that is good. I guess you are going to start the enevitable coming story early that Obama is a messenger from God and he is to redistribute the wealth because it is what he was sent to do. Then everyone that is distributed "to" can bow down and worship him as a saviour.
At least the prophecy will be fulfilled.
You are Blessed, when you share the blessing with others. I learned that around 1994, every year I made a point to help one to two families with a bill, and some other need. Sometimes I was tight on the money but spared what ever I could to help as much as possible. But I started noticing that when I got in a bind for cash, the Lord made a way some how. I actually broke down into tears one time because I knew he was taking care of me, Money that I put in an old purse or left in a jacket that I forgot about years ago, pops up. I had found money on the street someone dropped and went off and left. And even had someone come up to me and paid me back for helping them out in the past couple of years. You would be amazed at the miracles God throw out on you. Some people say it is luck. I say it is God blessing me, because once I recieve the blessing, I feel it in my soul that it was a Blessing from God. He will make a way some how. Even through those that say they will not help those that are less fortunate. "I know otherwise".
For I was hungy and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes. (Mat. 25:35)
Did you read it yourself? Their are scriptures at the bottom of that page, you can look the scriptures up and read the whole thing if you like. If I was wanting to know something I would read the whole thing myself to make sure. My point to jesuslovesevery1 was that it is correct that we are suppose to give to the poor, and help the poor. And the rich are suppose to help and give to the poor. You and your other shouldn't have no problem then of what has been claimed that Obama is going to Redistribute the wealth among the wealthy and poor. It is what God wants, and is of God, and he likes not he that goes against his word. It is therefore the Christian thing to do. As a matter of fact, read Luke 6:20-49 It saids "ALOT". : )
Also alot of times when you read the whole chapter of the scriptures that someone post, the true meaning of the scripture comes out.
To verify what you said:
http://www.justpeace.org/whatGodsays.htm
-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Were you setting an example by posting a link with 24 partial pieces of scripture?
jesuslovesevery1,
Just because I do not support redistribution of wealth, has no bearing whatsoever on my salvation. Also being rich has no bearing on your "fitness for eternal life". Jesus commanded the man to give away all he had, because the man boasted he kept all of the commandments, and was a good person. Jesus just wanted to show him that he was putting money before god, therefore he was not as good as he thought he was
greasemonkey,
Call it a plan to get votes.
Say what 97% of the people want to hear because of their self-benefit and you will produce a fairly high capture rate.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, at 8:41 AM
I would want a president that cared and gave interest to benefit me just like those 97% of Americans do too. So you must be the 3 % that want him to benefit me and the 97% of Americans too, since you do not want him to benefit you.
97% huh. That is for the people and for the Country. Doesn't it feel "GOOD" to tell the "REAL TRUTH" for a change.
jesuslovesevery1, just always remember WWJD.
Also alot of times when you read the whole chapter of the scriptures that someone post, the true meaning of the scripture comes out.
To verify what you said:
http://www.justpeace.org/whatGodsays.htm
It's just odd that supposed Christians seek hardest the scriptures that allow them to do the least and still be considered Christian.
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, at 12:01 PM
darrick_04,
No, if you could open your eyes you would see where all I was doing is actually proving the total issues that were being discussed.
Did you not read the post above mine than I was responding to where someone was actually misusing the scriptures.
Just because I do not tell anyone of my acts of charity does not mean that we do the least. Your mind could not grasp what either my left or right hand has done. My reward is not among men as you.
Matthew 6:2-4
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
You're always so very quick to point out the scriptures that best fit your ideals... There is a reason, conversations with you never result in anything gained.
Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, at 12:01 PM
Nothing will be gained until you believe the scriptures.
You're always so very quick to point out the scriptures that best fit your ideals... There is a reason, conversations with you never result in anything gained.
It's just odd that supposed Christians seek hardest the scriptures that allow them to do the least and still be considered Christian.
jesuslovesevery1,
Perhaps the following can give you a clearer understanding of how a follower should think?
2 Thessalonians 3:10
10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Pretty clear.
Also study the difference between enabling and helping.
And if you can find a little more time study these instructions we are to follow.
1 Timothy 5
4But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
5Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
6But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
7And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
9Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
Your discerning of the story of the rich young ruler also is lacking in understanding. Under no circumstances was Jesus telling him that by selling what he had and giving it to the poor and keeping the 10 commandments would bring him salvation.
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason and you have exemplified it.
A rich young man was wealthy enough for this life but he wanted to know about eternal life. He was unsure of his destiny and came to Jesus seeking security for his future.
Luke 18:18-25 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Notice how Jesus did not challenge the young ruler's claims about his life, but said that he still lacked just one more thing. He then told the young man to sell all that he had, distribute to the poor, and he would have treasure in heaven.
This focused on his wealth and caused the rich man to become very sorrowful because his money was obviously most important to him.
However, Jesus clearly makes service to others the last indication of fitness for eternal life aside from keeping the ten commandments.
Therefore real wealth involves following Jesus by living not to be served, but to serve others and to devote one's life to the well being of others.
And to think, two of you call one another "Christian"... yet every time someone offers help for those less fortunate you bash it, mock it, and yes, vote against it... I don't believe in handouts per say but I also believe Jesus sent a CLEAR message, and somehow those who seek to continue that message are socialists... Honestly, how do you look at yourself in the mirror and claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ when you act nothing like him.
greasemonkey,
Call it a plan to get votes.
Say what 97% of the people want to hear because of their self-benefit and you will produce a fairly high capture rate.
Richard, Darrick_04,
I am sorry your can not see the forest for the trees. When a man says he will take money from the rich and the corporations and implement profit limits, and basically attack one class of people and give to another class because of "fairness" and "neighborliness" well I dont know what else to call it.
nathan.evans,
I actually hope you see the honest mistake in your view on the bailout and exactly where the root of it grows.
While you are at being honest, lets' see where your intentions are really at. Ask some of these rock throwers to come out of the bushes and see if they are indeed cowards or not as we have claimed. I think you will find most if not all are ashamed of their own views and will refuse to let it be known "who threw the rock".
Sorry I did overlook that comment. No need to send a shot across my bow. We may not see eye to eye on certain issues, but I am not dense. Honest mistake.
My name is Nathan Evans. What is your name sir?
Posted by nathan.evans on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 11:36 PM
nathan.evans,
I have already answered that question for you once tonight. Please read the responce to your first inquiry sir.
I hope this is not like the bailout issue where you are given the correct responce to it and you just can not seem to comprehend it also??
You made the statement about people being afraid to use their real name parkerbros. With a statement like that, why should you not be the first to stand beside your comments and inform of us of who you are? From day one I have stood beside my comments and blog posts. My name is Nathan Evans. What is your name sir?
Dianatn,
I agree. Whoever it is ought to have at least one arm as big Eddie George's legs with all the rocks they have cowardly throw from behind the bushes.
You are right, they have been around a long time. Long enough to stand up for who they are and what they believe in and not hide behind the cowardly stolen25(bush) all their life.
It's pretty simple. Mouthy cowards are a dime a dozen in America.
stolen25 has been around these blogs a long time, parkerbros.
nathan.evans,
If you real intent is to shake cowardly rock throwers out of the bushes ask stolen25 who "it" is.
How's this for civility: Curt Cobb is facing an ethics complaint filed by a voter in Lincoln County. The voter says that Cobb had him audited by the state because he disagreed with one of Cobb's votes. I have a friend in Lincoln County who told me about this, and the Daily News Journal in Murfreesboro ran the info front page yesterday (Saturday). I heard that one government employee in Lincoln County has already been dismissed in connection with this story. The ethics commission evidently won't rule on charges within 30 days of an election, but I think the voters have the right to know about this. Don't know why the T-G hasn't mentioned this-they must be pulling for Cobb. The article is under the news section on dnj.com. I hear there's more to come on this. Pretty bad when elected officials use the power we entrust them with to intimidate their constituents.
Please share your real name with us parkerbrothers.
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 7:05 PM
Here he is http://www.t-g.com/story/1469106.html... On the far right of the picture.. He used to be featured in the "ask an expert" section, though I don't see him there anymore. Not sure why.
nathan.evans,
I have plenty of times. My name is Marvin Parker.
Try shaking some real bushes and see where you get. Probably nowhere but proving my point for me. I'll be watching to see if much other than bananas fall out of the trees.
cmcclanahan,
I agree totally with your statement on the rock throwers in the bushes. To make matters worse some of them have to hide behind more than one bush and create multiple accounts and names. A couple of them will actually talk and answer theirselves on these blogs.
I agree with you also on taking them seriously. How can you take a comment serious from someone who is ashamed to let it be known it is coming from them. If you believe in something let it be known "you" do.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 8:54 AM
Please share your real name with us parkerbrothers.
cmcclanahan,
I agree totally with your statement on the rock throwers in the bushes. To make matters worse some of them have to hide behind more than one bush and create multiple accounts and names. A couple of them will actually talk and answer theirselves on these blogs.
I agree with you also on taking them seriously. How can you take a comment serious from someone who is ashamed to let it be known it is coming from them. If you believe in something let it be known "you" do.
Tamb, capitol punishment does work to the extent that that particular felon is pemanently off the active list.
Mr Slingshot, if Carl wont say it, I will. I hope everyone votes for McCain. As an American citizen I have the right to state my opinion as do you. Let us hope that we can continue to do this. But THE ONE can shut us down as fast as he did a reporter yesterday. Be afraid, be very afraid.
No offense taken... I understand your thoughts.
Darrick.........I don't expect civility. I have given up. I think you can agree, looking back to day one, I have been patient with most folks, but after awhile I think some need to be recognized for their words and actions. I think you also know I welcome differences of opinion if offered in a civil and mannerly tone. I would love for someone to show me a better idea, just back it up with something other than platitudes. This is not directed at you since you often state a problem and offer a solution. Most don't.
I have tried to offer possible solutions, maybe not the ultimate but a starting place, on many things on which I write. Such as law enforcement, healthcare, incarceration et al. I cannot envision for the life of me how one can countenence people who lack the courage to identify themselves, attack people personally from the bushes and expect people to take them seriously and not respond. If that is becomming the "American Way" then we are in much more trouble than anyone thinks we are.
I still don't know how some can claim a right to speak in this forum when the very entity that allows them a voice here requests, each and every time they comment, "Please be respectful of others and try to stay on topic." To totally ignore this simple request is, in my mind, arrogance at its worse. And the near universal actions of, if you can't handle the message, shoot the messenter, displays the classic, absolute classic, marker of a weak argument. Can you imagine anyone of these people sitting in a class room or public forum of such a type and saying the exact same things they say in here. I can't. That's why it is cowardly to do so and only brings on comment in the same vein and adds nothing to the debate of the issue at hand.
Well I guess I will just sit back and get my come-uppance for these remarks. I can almost write them verbatim and name "names". Darrick this is not directed at you as I have said. I think it might be nice to have those that agree with me offer a little defense of my position. Have a great day.
memyselfi, disturbia and mike-10........Thanks for your totally insensitive and inane remarks. You demonstrate, exactly, excellent examples of what gives legs to this piece. Disturbia, do you really know what an oxymoron is. Please explain to we mere stupid folks here how my piece is an oxymoron. Do you just like the sound of the word and not know what it means? Do you really think your pithy statements geared toward ignoramouses is appreciated by most who peruse here. Please explain if you can why you feel your rights to espouse, with stupid remarks, somehow trumps the blogger's right to create a piece and by so doing solicit responses to the merits of the piece. And be sure to answer from the bushes in the dark so no one can know who you are. A mark of real courage.
-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 9:58 AM
The best way to receive civility in responses to your comments is to be the first to portray it... We go way back, and I am not trying to belittle you, but exactly how does one expect civility to be reciprocated with a remark like that?
Richard,
If you think thats all there is to it and if that is going to be the limit well....Ive got some ocean front property in Normandy for sale.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 3:55 PM
Prove otherwise, or I'll sell you land in Alaska, so perhaps you get all mavericky and see Russia from your house.
Why not get a minimum wage job, Obama is going to supply my every need and the rich people are going to pay for it, so why not sit back and take it easy.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 9:50 AM
You can already do that. Go try it for a while, then come back and tell us how well you have it. I think it might change your opinion.
159,000 people lost their jobs last month, and you're complaining about a 3-4% tax increase on income over a quarter of a million dollars.
-- Posted by Richard on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 2:46 PM
AMEN...
I can't quite seem to figure out where Obama said he was going to be everything for everyone? Greasemonkey, do you care to provide proof of said statements or would it be easier to continue to throw around labels as ineffectively as Palin as done. Socialism, communism, terrorism... It always the big three things right-wingers would have you fear, and they are three things carried out by our very own government by a daily basis... ironic.
I hope you had that info printed out on eco-friendly biodegradeable paper.
If they have "green" inks and sustainable paper,maybe some defective dictinaries should be the first reading materials to be sacrificed.
I suspect "Civility" has been misdefined.
It may have even swapped places with the definition for "snarky".
ParkerBrothers,
Have fun! Say hello to Mr. Roarke and Tattoo for me, my friend.
Richard,
If you think thats all there is to it and if that is going to be the limit well....Ive got some ocean front property in Normandy for sale.
Whatever, but if you actually read it, then you'll know it's not universal healthcare. He is not advocating government coverage for everyone, just those who are uninsured.
tamb,
Sorry but I have got to leave and will not probably be back until late Sunday to tell you about this health plan.
In the mean time I have printed another copy to read and carry with me in case my stomach starts growling again.
See you Sunday.
tamb,
Yes, I have read it. I printed it last week and read it while I was scouting deer from a tree stand. It came in good use when I had to act like a bear in the woods.
parkerbrothers, I have not lived in another country. However, I do not believe this plan has been in place in other countries. Other countries have universal health care which this is not. You didn't answer my question. Did you read the links? Do you actually know what his plan is stating?
tamb,
I did not say you are ill-informed. I will have to wait until you tell me about your experiences with treatment in a country operating under this type health care before I could make a determination as to the information being ill.
Go ahead and tell me what you experienced.
Why not get a minimum wage job, Obama is going to supply my every need and the rich people are going to pay for it, so why not sit back and take it easy.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 9:50 AM
You can already do that. Go try it for a while, then come back and tell us how well you have it. I think it might change your opinion.
159,000 people lost their jobs last month, and you're complaining about a 3-4% tax increase on income over a quarter of a million dollars.
Parkerbrothers, I'm so ill-informed and out of touch, so why don't you just tell me? And while you're at it, why don't you tell me which country has his exact plan in place already? Did you read any of the links?
tamb,
Out of curiousity how many countries have you received medical help in that has this health system?
I have in 2 other countries and I know what you will get for your money.
I will let you tell me first what you liked about it.
You are posting a link that is nearly two years old? Seriously? I think you are wasting your time.
Posted by tamb on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 1:09 PM
tamb,
I wonder what his beliefs will be in two more years??
Maybe 63 States?
By the way, just ignore ParkerBrothers, Tamb, he apparently gets his ideas from Phil Valentine and repeats them blindly.
There is nothing sadder than a bitter conservative with nothing intelligent to say when Atwater style tactics are not working anymore.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 9:14 AM
Mike_10,
Do not be sad.
I am not bitter.
I am quite jubilant.
Actually I am overly jubilant.
Let me explain and you will see why I am jubilant and the only real negative feelings I might have is sympathy for the many that have fallen for a charismatic choice (Obama) that has about as much business running this country as I do.
I grew up in a working family. Graduated barely from a small class of 28-30 people. Worked like a dog 7 days a week for the first 23 years out of high school. Ate all meals everyday while I was driving down the road writing notes and talking on the cell phone at the same time and trying to see who was paging me. Worked at least 14 hours everyday. Never owned an alarm clock to get up with and never had a watch. I learned to feel what time it was. I was always early to every appointment.
I prospered through the years of Reaganomics which still had lingering effects into the mid 90's even after he left office. Even Clinton could not screw it up immediately. I was ambitious from childhood upbringing and applied what I had been taught. I grew the different companies up to a point where I had over 165 direct employees and approximately 220 indirect employees.
However, after years of being beaten down by government regulation and a punishing tax system that did not appreciate hard work and rewarded failure and laziness most of my ambition got stripped out of me. Punish me for hard work and achievment????
Clinton's policies and practices were starting to bear fruit. When I looked ahead and analyzed where the market was going to end up at and what a charismatic clown (Clinton) we had for a president I made a decision that my place of ambition needed to be relocated where someone like me would be appreciated and hard work rewarded. It did not take long to figure out why a lot of companies were moving predominately south of the border.
After just a little research I found countries that were looking for idiots like me that wanted to work all the time. I found some that would give you incentives to develop in their country and provide jobs. I found some that had no punishing income tax. That's right. They had no income tax whatsoever. And guess what. When you die they do not rape a dead man. That's right also. There is absolutely no inheritance tax. Everybody is treated the same. I almost thought I had died and went to heaven.
Even more amazing is the property values. Although this is the worst year since 2001 when we starting moving they have increased over 21% this year.
Guess why 81.3% of my efforts and investment picked up and went overseas and the rest is coming with it as it liquidates?
Guess why I went from providing 385+ jobs for Americans down to the current 5 jobs for Americans?
Me bitter?
You will not find a bitter bone in me.
I am very happy with the decision I made back in late 2000 relying on my gut feelings. The same feelings that told me what time it was without a watch for 31 years.
Yeah with a democrat congress its gonna be a shopping spree,just like Bush done when republicans were majority, but with more zeroes on the end
Obama promises a lot of things but most will never pass Congress they are not going to want to step on too many toes when toes are so sore right now.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 1:19 PM
With Congress being democratically controlled, I do believe Obama's going to be able to get more passed than some believe. Now, if the Congress were Republican controlled, I would agree with you.
In 2004 President Bush issued an Executive Order that requires the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to study and develop a national health information network (NHIN). With a ten-year deadline, the task of overseeing the system has been left to a newly created HHS Office, The Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, www.hhs.gov/healthit/measuring.html.
In addition to HHS efforts, a number of bills have been introduced in Congress to speed the development of and fund a national system of electronic health records
Obama promises a lot of things but most will never pass Congress they are not going to want to step on too many toes when toes are so sore right now.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_H...
And here are some frequently asked questions in case you don't understand the full plan.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/He...
And here's the full plan, so you can be better informed and not tell people they don't know what they are talking about.
You are posting a link that is nearly two years old? Seriously? I think you are wasting your time.
My views are not the same as they were two years ago, and I'm not even running for President. That was when he was just considering running and before he had any real plans in place. Sorry, but he now has a plan in place, and it's not even close to universal healthcare. Here's a link to Obama's Web site detailing it, so you are getting it from the horse's mouth.
So, please don't tell me what I know nothing about when it's very obvious you don't know as much about it as you think you do.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/health...
Mike_10, I agree with you that Obama's plan is not universal or socialized medicine. I've had to explain to numerous people that his plan isn't like that.
And, I, too, wish he would have proposed universal healthcare. It's one of the areas where I disagree with Obama. However, his healthcare plan is still better than McCain's.
-- Posted by tamb on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 10:34 AM
tamb,
If Obama calls it Universal Health Care I would tend to think it is Universal Health Care he plans on?????
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...
You may be wasting your time trying to explain something you do not know about.
Mike_10,
I get most of my information listening to speeches and reading candidates websites and also some interviews. Most of what I have found out about Obamas healthcare plan have come from his mouth or website. I keep hearing and reading alot about govt "covering a portion of the costs" how much is a portion? "requiring large employers...to make a meaningful contibution" again pretty vague, how much is "meaningful"?
There will be mandated "electronic health records" what if I dont want my health care records in a large data base, what if I only want my family doctor to have that info,will the govt have access to this? Apparently so because he plans to use these records for research. "force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums...instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits" again how much is reasonable and how much is exorbitant? That is just a small small sample of what Obama himself has promised.
Do you just like the sound of the word and not know what it means? Do you really think your pithy statements geared toward ignoramouses is appreciated by most who peruse here.
And be sure to answer from the bushes in the dark so no one can know who you are. A mark of real courage. -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 9:58 AM
No problem, Carl. Your welcome. And, thank you for your totally insensitive and inane remarks.
Maybe you should try to get your 'work' placed solely in traditional print, like the actual newspaper, if you can't stand people refuting your ideas and statements any way they feel like -- even if you find them distasteful, uncivil, and ignorant. (I thought the whole idea of a blog was to allow anyone a chance to speak regardless how the writer feels of their opinion and prose?)
Mike_10, I agree with you that Obama's plan is not universal or socialized medicine. I've had to explain to numerous people that his plan isn't like that.
And, I, too, wish he would have proposed universal healthcare. It's one of the areas where I disagree with Obama. However, his healthcare plan is still better than McCain's.
Devan, I think your confusing my idea of Universal Health Care with Obama's plan - which is far from Universal Health Care. This is why I get aggravated with gressemonkey. I honestly feel like he's not just spreading mistruths, but he has been led astray by negative, untruthful comments about Obama that scare the you know what out of him. Trust me if you have ever studied Socialism, Obama's 'tax plan' and 'health care program' wouldn't even satisfy the most conservative members of a hypothetical Socialist party.
I do wish one candidate would have adopted a complete Universal Health Care program, but neither party is willing, it seems, to stick their necks out for the people that much. I don't blame them. It is to easy to spread lies and code words like Communism to confuse the average voter from seeing how a good program like UHC would benefit them.
cmcclanahan, I stand by my comment. I even just went back and reread it. I am sorry if you believe me to be insensitive, as that was not my intention. That being said, if you desire comments that are pertinent to a specific topic, I suggest you provide a clearly definable one.
memyselfi, disturbia and mike-10........Thanks for your totally insensitive and inane remarks. You demonstrate, exactly, excellent examples of what gives legs to this piece. Disturbia, do you really know what an oxymoron is. Please explain to we mere stupid folks here how my piece is an oxymoron. Do you just like the sound of the word and not know what it means? Do you really think your pithy statements geared toward ignoramouses is appreciated by most who peruse here. Please explain if you can why you feel your rights to espouse, with stupid remarks, somehow trumps the blogger's right to create a piece and by so doing solicit responses to the merits of the piece. And be sure to answer from the bushes in the dark so no one can know who you are. A mark of real courage.
Richard,
Why not get a minimum wage job, Obama is going to supply my every need and the rich people are going to pay for it, so why not sit back and take it easy.
I actually have to watch how many hours I work, because of taxes. If I work to much I make less money
Just remember that both McCain's and Obama's tax proposals are campaign "promises". When was the last time that meant anything?
I would not be paying for your health insurance. The government would. Would I pay a slightly higher tax? It is possible. Would I care? No. Because it is not just your health care I would be paying but mine also. A slightly higher tax would offset any insurance payment I have now.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:21 PM
This math just doesn't make sense to me. It sounds just a little too easy. Snake oil anyone?
Here's where I got that figure from. I'm not out of touch, thank you very much.
I realize this is tongue in cheek (and very funny, too), but it has dumbed down the tax issue so almost anyone can understand it.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008...
By the way, just ignore ParkerBrothers, Tamb, he apparently gets his ideas from Phil Valentine and repeats them blindly.
There is nothing sadder than a bitter conservative with nothing intelligent to say when Atwater style tactics are not working anymore.
Hey...Stay on topic people before you give Carl a coronary
garhawk, I think that is an accurate assessment of the future of healthcare, but since both major parties support it, where is the alternative option?
Absolutely amazing!
Free health insurance for some, triple premiums for others, billions in profits for the insurance companies, first class jobs for half-ass bureaucrats who claim to administer the tax dollars and, fools who support the notion.
Next thing you know, the government will be funding a mandatory 'plastic toy' program for poor children.
tamb,
Are you really so out of touch that you believe a person making over 250,000 would only pay $250 more in taxes?
I personally abhor the idea of a tax increase to pay for insurance for those whose lifestyle choices have put them in their current state of health. The NIID diabetic that is 50 lbs over weight, eats like there is no tomorrow, and never exercises, the drunk with liver disease, the smoker with lung cancer, and the obese individual with multiple musculoskeletal disorders have brought their ailments on themselves.
Once people take a procative approach to health, I may change my opinion. But until then, I simply don't care.
I dont make $250k per year either, and now I dont want to. Thats a shame too, because I could have created some jobs, but I will just stay were I am because I dont want to give all my hard work away to someone else.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 12:39 PM
Maybe you should get a minimum wage job. Then you can save even more in taxes.
Get real. Nobody is going to pass up an opportunity to make more money because they will have to pay 3-4% more in taxes. The more money you make, the more tax you pay. That's just the way it is.
"Do you determine if something is right on the merits of how it affects you and the benefit you will receive or do you actually study the fairness of it?"
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 12:32 PM
Maybe you need to ask yourself that question. I'm glad you pro-life conservatives care so much about the unborn, because you don't seem to care about what happens to anyone after they're born.
Barney Franks look alike, lmao. That was a good one.
Actually, what I've read is that a person making $250,000 will only see about a $220 increase in taxes each year. I'm speaking hypothetically (not sure if the spelling is right; it's late and I can't think) about my taxes going up, but if everyone over a certain income level is subjected to a small tax increase, it won't be much on anyone.
I would be fine with my taxes going up that much. Spread out over 52 weeks, that's only a little over $90. I would not mind paying that all if it was going to help pay for healthcare. What have I posted that made you think otherwise?
tamb,
How much will your taxes have to go up to cover "everyone" that does not have insurance. Remember, most of the ones who do not have it will cost dearly to cover because of age and preexisting items that will be expensive. Most all the young healthy are covered already.
I find it strange people are so willing to say they are okay with their taxes going up when they have no idea how much they will go up.
I have heard estimates as high as it costing every citizen $4,700.00 more per year in taxes. Are you okay with paying this additional amount each year to cover health care alone? Some of your previous posts seem to paint a different story.
Maybe they just aren't as liberal as I am. And, I've already told you that I am going to be paying my taxes so that you can have insurance.
tamb,
Pay for my insurance and I will tell you.
You are gonna feel bad if I croak because you backed out on paying for me some insurance like you said you would.
Lack of liberal bloggers on here?? There is so many of them on here that they are crawling out of my computer screen as I type.
How do you become a blogger on here? I'm not sure I would be allowed to do so because of me working at another newspaper, but I have one on blogger that's pretty popular, mostly with other women who have had a stillborn child. But, I do cover my letter writing campaign to get abortion laws changed. I guess I could start another blog just about politics, since there don't seem to be too many liberal bloggers here.
Dianatn,
I laughed at it too. I know I actually resemble Brad Pitt more.
Most everybody that knows me personally knows that a sense of humor is about all I have.
I plan on entering a Tom Cruise look alike if they ever come to town. :) :)Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 9:50 PM
LOL oh sorry had to laugh at that one.
See parkerbros you can have a sense of humor sometimes.
I wasn't aware crackpipes had on/off switches
Posted by Mike_10 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 8:32 PM
Mike_10,
That would explain your thinking. You never knew to cut it off.
I just request you find an appropiate blog about that subject or write your own.
-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 7:45 PM
cmcclanahan,
Welcome to the reality of blogs. When someone originates a subject and only adds input to it twice in among 123 posts your topic will drift.
In all fairness also if everyone commented on your subject only there might be 2 or 3 comments at most on some of them.
Although it is not an excuse, I have the hardest time not wanting to discuss the mortgage bailout everytime I click on one of your blogs and see your picture. You remind me of the guy on the right in this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ everytime and I loose focus on the topic and start thinking about the video on the bailout. You ought to enter a Barney Franks look alike if they ever have one. I plan on entering a Tom Cruise look alike if they ever come to town. :) :)
Don't go and blow a fuse on me now. I actually like most of your topics. Keep up the good work.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14891
-I would love the be a Fly on the Wall... Seems like the McCain campaign should practice a little civility... If that had only done so months ago, there hopes wouldn't be so bleak.
Nathan, make another post, please. Apparently, Carl's 'work' isn't to be muddied down by conversation. Maybe we can talk there freely. (Honestly, get over yourself, man. It is only a blog post.)
Hmmm.... The title of Carl's blog and the content throughout are complete oxymoron's... Glad I am not the only one to notice.
cmcclanahan, What was the topic exactly? The title was civility, but the body of the text appeared to be a long rant against bloggers. We, in turn are now ranting against each other, so that is on topic...right?
Bravo Dianatn. Don't feel like a heartless old woman because you want to see your country better itself.
I know you didn't say this, but just so you know not all of people who identify as liberals think we should babysit the world.
Parkerbrothers,
I wasn't aware crackpipes had on/off switches, but I've never used one to know for sure. Maybe you do, which would explain the absurdity of your rants. But I have listened to conservative radio which may be close to the same thing. (...to be fair, a lot of liberal radio programs would too).
Folks.....I believe many of you have forgotten the title of this piece. I once again ask those of you who comment to read the simple statement above the "box" where you conpose your comment. It reads, "Please be respectful of others and try to stay on topic." This is all I have ever asked for. Do any of you think it fair in any sense to take someones work, that they may have spent even days composing, and high-jack the blog and turn the subject into something totally unrelated? I can understand your concerns expressed in your comments, I just request you find an appropiate blog about that subject or write your own.
To all you who have children in K-6,
I want to ask you what you think about a new proposal for your children in an effort to have them produce more and make better grades.
A students - study 25 hours per week - 5 minutes recess per day.
B students - study 15 hours per week - 30 minutes recess per day.
C students - study 5 hours per week - 60 minutes recess per day.
D students - study 1 hour per week - 2 hours recess per day.
F students - can not study because they do not know where their books are - 4 hours recess per day.
After much study we have determined that this system will be an effective way to teach everyone at an early age how it pays off to work hard and do better. We feel one of the problems with children is we are waiting too late to teach them the American way and how the system works. The earlier we can have them grasp this concept the sooner you will see their overall grades improve and test scores soar. Shortly we should be able to erradicate the illiteracy rate completely. We encourage each of you as parents to support this system.
Maybe I am wrong but I always thought our government was there to work for us, to provide safety and secure our economic process. Our tax dollars is what makes our government work . I thought if I am paying taxes just like every other American my taxes should go to help Americans first and foremost. Yes I feel sorry for those in Africa and third world countries that are suffering but there are many American's suffering also. American's needs should come first afterall we are the ones paying those taxes. I have never once thought America should be the world's babysitter but that is exactly what we are. I don't even think our government should have a large hand in every private life but if our very own government does not take the responsibility of caring for the have nots and the can nots then who will? Those Third world countries that we have been supporting for all these years? "not so much as a bowl of rice will be given to help even one American" Better yet look back through history and see which countries help America through the Great Depression. The Great Depression lasted 4 years. While I agree 4 years is not a very long time : it is a long time to hold your breath.
Maybe I am just a heartless old woman or maybe I am just not Liberal enough but nothing makes me any madder than to see a commercial asking for money to send to third world countries to help feed the poor and starving when we have children here in America living in boxes and cars, going to sleep hungry and cold. But yet we look the other way when it is an American Child we automatically deem their parents lazy or bums.
You keep saying would you pay for mine, as if your bill would be sent to my mailbox. That is not the way it would work, and if you believe that turn off the conservative radio.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:21 PM
Mike_10,
If you believe that I believe that is how it works you need to turn off your crackpipe again for a while.
Parkerbrothers,
We're already paying for wars we didn't ask for, bailouts we didn't want, and multiple other ridiculous government expenditures... So for once, I'd like to see my tax money spend wisely and to the betterment of civilization, not to the destruction of mankind.
I would not be paying for your health insurance. The government would.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:26 PM
Mike_10,
And who is the government? Someone have you believing it is an old rich Uncle named Sam that will pay for everything?
You will pay for everyones insurance.
they did it any way. Who in heck are they representing.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 3:00 PM
You are right about so many things. We are not that far off, believe it or not.
I don't agree with eminent domain. I don't own a gun, but I don't want to take away yours, either. I don't want to see the government turning into an Orwellian nightmare.
You bring up some very tough issues, although some of them are emotional issues that I feel like get in the way of bigger problems we face. But, I do believe that you may have been led astray as to what will happen if Obama or a Democrat runs the country.
You come across as what I like to call, old school Conservative. Because you're a small government conservative. Not like the ones that have hijacked the Republican party today.
Although, you do make me think you believe I'm advocating a Totalitarian government sometimes, which I am not. I believe in freedom and the right to make choices. But, I also believe in helping have nots and can nots.
I don't know why, but for some reason when you believe in these things you get labeled Socialist and Communist. I'm not for that all. I simply disagree with you on some economic issues. That doesn't mean that I'm suddenly a radical, nor is anyone else who supports Universal Health Care. That doesn't mean I'm ready to hand over the keys to the kingdom to Big Brother.
I don't want you to live in a world I think would better suit us. I don't want to live in a Conservative world because you think it would better suit us. But, staying the course and refusing to change and not try any other approach, because it resembles what some call Socialism isn't going to cut.
As long as you are passionate about your beliefs your world isn't going to turn to a state controlled Neo-Nazi land. You don't have to fear that. I feel the same way. As long as I'm passionate, I won't wake up in the land of United States of Microsoft, brought to you by Coca-Cola.
It all amounts to forced charity.
But think about something. If everyone would adopt one person and provide their insurance for them it would be a much more personable and appreciative way to accomplish the same thing.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 2:11 PM
You have a abysmal understanding of economics. It is one thing if you lack understanding of how a Universal Health Care Coverage would work, but to purposely misguide others is atrocious. If that is the case, go back to Bell's blog and pray for the end of the world. At least there you guys can blabber nonsense safely.
I do not have health insurance. Do you want to pay for mine?
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 2:20 PM
I would not be paying for your health insurance. The government would. Would I pay a slightly higher tax? It is possible. Would I care? No. Because it is not just your health care I would be paying but mine also. A slightly higher tax would offset any insurance payment I have now.
But, things can be also be eliminated in government to raise monies for this. Businesses held accountable for their taxes, and programs that waste money can be cut.
You keep saying would you pay for mine, as if your bill would be sent to my mailbox. That is not the way it would work, and if you believe that turn off the conservative radio. I wonder if you really believe what you say, or are you repeating talking points?
tamb, I remember your story, and I do have sympathy for you and others in the same and similar situations. I also fully understand your commitment to state reform. That being said, I do not believe the issue should be a major consideration for choosing either presidential candidate. I just do not believe the Supreme Court will overturn the decision any time soon. Both parties play on the issue and have for many years now, but I am convinced it is a non-issue in a federal election.
Mike_10,
Its alot more than just healthcare, (which govt is part of that problem too). Its about redistribution of wealth, its about the government buying out business, its about the government being in the personal loan business. It keeps going and going. Its about imminent domain, which is one of the craziest things I have ever heard. Its about destroying the family with abortion and gay marriage. Its about removal of our rights as gun owners. Its about removing the power from the people and giving it almost entirely to the govt. If you dont believe that then just look at this bailout, 85% of the people did not think this was a good idea, we locked up email servers and blew up voicemails telling them no, and what happens they did it any way. Who in heck are they representing. Its about federalizing education. Its about illegal immigrants who are at the root of alot of our economic and healthcare problems. Its about the govt telling a business how much money they can make and telling them thats to much. Its about a people who would rather let the govt wipe there butts for them than help themselves.
parkerbrothers, Yes, there is still at least 1 play period. The push on scores is best explained by the teeth of the testing regulations for the teachers and administrations of each school.
memyselfi, I do believe Roe v Wade can be overturned by conservative judges being placed on the bench. And, John McCain believes in allowing states to make their own laws concerning abortion. Right now, there are laws on the books in Tennessee, which are unconstitutional, because they do not include an exception for the life of the mother. I want to take that farther and add an exception for the life of the mother, fatal prenatal diagnosis and rape or incest. In fact, I've been writing letters to our representatives to find one who will help me get this law changed.
tamb, I do not think you have to worry about Roe V Wade anytime in the near future. Abortion is one of those issues that divides us, but either party would have a hard time putting someone on the bench that would tip the scales. It goes against either ideology. The republicans wouldn't want to pay for it and the democrats would oppose all the suffering. I believe that our medical advances will soon make the issue a truly private one anyway.
I do not think there is one single difference between the tax proposals of either candidate. Both will give a modest cut to the poor and middle classes, and the upper class will not change much at all. The top class unfortunately is best identified as the business class and what Obama takes away, he returns in tax incentives while what McCain gives, takes back in other tax regulations. Making under $250,000.00 you will get approximately the same tax break under either program.
The difference in healthcare is fairly small as well, as far as I can tell. Obama does want mandatory 100% coverage, however McCain hopes for that result through incentives. They both plan to fully fund the current system without addressing the high costs creating the problems, and they plan on doing it with public funds. Either program, in my opinion, represents taxpayer provided windfalls to the already inflated industry.
parkerbrothers, I have 3 children, ranging in ages from 10 to 19.
It may not make a right but I bet it makes a eunuch.
Very few if any rapes have been committed by a eunuch.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 2:16 PM
Very few rapes are about sex. Most are about control. Rapists would just find another way to hurt their victims if they were castrated, and it would probably be in an even worse way, such as death.
Parkerbrothers, I don't mind paying higher taxes so that you can have health insurance. I don't mind paying taxes so that anyone can have health insurance. So, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is.
Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:49 PM
tamb,
But I thought you were counting on a tax cut from Obama?
Actually, it's never been proven that any kind of capital punishment is a deterrant to crime. And, while I would love to see rapists punished in that way, I don't believe two wrongs make a right.
-- Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:59 PM
tamb,
It may not make a right but I bet it makes a eunuch.
Very few if any rapes have been committed by a eunuch.
I'm not backing out on you. I'm voting for Obama so you can have health insurance. Personally, I wouldn't mind adopting one person to help pay for insurance if everyone else did it, too, so everyone would be covered. However, you can't force someone to do charitable work, but people have to pay taxes. By paying taxes, we are able to guarantee that everyone can have healthcare.
The thing about that is, I would just be helping you and no one else. By all of us paying taxes, we are helping everyone. You wouldn't want to be the only person who was helped, now would you? It's not the same and you know it. It's ridiculous to even pretend it is.
-- Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:57 PM
tamb,
Are you backing out on me? I need some insurance and I was counting on you. :)
But think about something. If everyone would adopt one person and provide their insurance for them it would be a much more personable and appreciative way to accomplish the same thing. Why would anyone want to do it in such an inpersonable way where you did not get to meet and know the person we were helping instead of letting Uncle Sam take all the glory of your help?
My daughter gets to go outside and play once a day when the weather is nice. If it's not, they go into the gym. She's in kindergarten, so it might be different for the older grades.
devan, dianatn, and tamb
It has been almost 32 years since I graduated. I have been very busy working and have not stayed abreast of how schools operate anymore. When we were in grade school I remember all of us getting a thing called recess twice a day where we would go outside and play with our friends. Do the children still get to do this twice a day? I do know that I hear about a lot more pressure on kids today to make good grades to keep the school ratings up. Do the schools get more funding with a higher rating?
Actually, it's never been proven that any kind of capital punishment is a deterrant to crime. And, while I would love to see rapists punished in that way, I don't believe two wrongs make a right.
The thing about that is, I would just be helping you and no one else. By all of us paying taxes, we are helping everyone. You wouldn't want to be the only person who was helped, now would you? It's not the same and you know it. It's ridiculous to even pretend it is.
Parkerbrothers, I don't mind paying higher taxes so that you can have health insurance. I don't mind paying taxes so that anyone can have health insurance. So, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is.
Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:49 PM
tamb,
Great, where can I mail my insurance premium to you at. Put the money in the envelope and mail it to the insurance company. Get me at least the same coverages you have.
It is my belief that anyone who advocates pain would be more likely to commit pain on someone else.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:30 PM
Mike_10,
It is no so much about advocation of pain as it is an eye for an eye as an effective deterrent method. Three hots and a cot may be the answer but I have not seen proof of it as effective deterrent to rape statistics.
Sometimes it takes a situation where something has to hit home before it can be correctly viewed.
I pray it never comes home to you but would you still feel the same if you had to look your wife, girlfriend, daughter, mother or sister in the eye this afternoon if they were brutally raped today? Even worse, what if you were unable to look them in the eye again today because they died from the rape?
Parkerbrothers, I don't mind paying higher taxes so that you can have health insurance. I don't mind paying taxes so that anyone can have health insurance. So, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is.
If we are going to talk about fair in regards to taxes, a person making $250,000 can afford to pay more in taxes than someone making $20,000 a year. I'm working my tail off to write a book and get it published so I can make more money and maybe someday be in that tax bracket. Will it bother me to pay that much? No, it won't, because I think if you make more you should pay more.
I think criminals should be given basic healthcare, but I believe everyone is entitled to it. Everyone, women, children, men, the elderly, EVERYONE. I don't believe anyone has more right to healthcare than anyone else.
And, I have a five-year-old that just started school this year in the Bedford County School system. Do you want to ask me your question?
I have one in 4th grade.
I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, and I will not accept the fact that we are content to sit back and let our citizens suffer.
Tell me one reason why would should be content to let those without health care suffer and die from aliments that are treatable because we didn't want our government to provide them care.
Mike_10,
You sound good. I like what I hear. I do not have health insurance. Do you want to pay for mine?
You do realize that "our government" as you use it is actually "you" individually and "us' collectively? Don't you? It is not a seperate entitiy in essence.
So many people are disillusioned in thinking that "our government" is someone or something else. It is easy to go along with anything if you think that way.
Next time you have a statement like that stop and substitute the word "me" or "I" in the place of "our government" and see if you still agree with your statement before you hit the send button.
You must see they are one and the same to correctly assess any policy's fairness or merit.
… the victim should be allowed if they desire to be able to administer it with a dull knife of their choice as slow as they could go and without the use of pain medicine for him. I believe it would curtail rapes if the castration was performed publicly and everyone had to attend as citizens.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:20 PM
It is my belief that anyone who advocates pain would be more likely to commit pain on someone else.
Greesemonkey, No matter how much talking heads say it is and no matter how much McCain and Palin preach it - letting our government provide basic services like health care is not going to turn America in to a socialist state.
I'm feed up with people throwing terms they deem derogatory like Communism when no one in here or who supports Obama's health care plan is advocating joining a Communist Party.
I refuse to believe that providing our citizens with even basic access to health care is something we cannot and should not accomplish.
I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, and I will not accept the fact that we are content to sit back and let our citizens suffer.
Tell me one reason why would should be content to let those without health care suffer and die from aliments that are treatable because we didn't want our government to provide them care.
The question you have to ask yourself should be: Do I feel better about helping the rapist or the person who was raped?
Posted by Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 1:02 PM
Dianatn,
I personally would like to see legislation that required castration on a convicted rapist. I think the victim should be allowed if they desire to be able to administer it with a dull knife of their choice as slow as they could go and without the use of pain medicine for him. I doubt the rapist gave his victim any pain medicine to endure her suffering during the act and the many years of agony to come.
I believe it would curtail rapes if the castration was performed publicly and everyone had to attend as citizens.
I know just the thought of seeing it once makes me fearful to unzip my pants for any reason.
I have children who were in K-6 once upon a time :>)
My daughter is a teacher for a K-6 school also if that helps at all.
somehting??
Sounds like what june bugs are.
I might even learn how to spell better.
I couldnt have helped you anyway, because we will not be subjecting our children to public school.
I hope you do not think that it is right to provide all these things to the convicted law breakers at the expense of the very ones that have to work everyday to pay for it. Do you?
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 12:40 PM
Do I think it is right? No I don't, I think they should be made to work, violent offenders should be made to work inside the prison systems to cut cost of food preparation, cleaning inside and outside the grounds. If you can not find them a job create one. Non-violent offenders should be made to work outside the prison system either doing community service work or menial jobs for factory owners so they don't have to hire people to do them. There is no reason what so ever the prisoners at Bedford County Jail could not screw pens together or count pen and pencils to put into boxes right there in the jail house. At least they would be doing something to benefit somebody and would save the companies a little money also.
But my entire point was the very people who complain about helping people who are not criminals have no problem with criminals staying within the system their entire lives, at our expense. The question you have to ask yourself should be: Do I feel better about helping the rapist or the person who was raped?
Good planning. That is what it is all about. Patience and planning.
I actually want to find someone on here who has children in school to help me figure out something.
Who has children in school that are in grades K-6? I have never had the priviledge of a child and could learn somehting from someone who has that experience.
No I do not have any children. We are waiting till shes out of college.
I cant believe that the majority of people are going to vote for a man who has already promised to raise taxes and increase the size, power and authority of the govt. Am I living in the twilight zone? Has everyone just turned full blown communist, apparently so by reading some of these posts. Are people so sorry they do not want to have to work their way up the ladder but want the government to hand them everything on a silver platter? Why does everyone hate other peoples success and want to take their money away from them as punishment?
greasemonkey,
Do you have childen in school?
Don't worry, it is not a loaded pile of crap you will be stepping into if you answer it.
Well actually we already give the a criminals healthcare in prisons it does seem like Joe six pack should get it also. Or should he have to become a criminal to get the healthcare he needs?
Our taxes feed, clothe, provide a roof, healthcare., lawyers and whatever else these people need because they are in our prisons for doing criminal acts but yet we balk when someone says we should provide these same benefits for hungry children and people who do not have the means of support.
That is simply amazing to me.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 12:20 PM
Dianatn,
Excellent point. It was actually one of the few things I was trying to get tamb to think about when I ask her about the word "everyone".
I hope you do not think that it is right to provide all these things to the convicted law breakers at the expense of the very ones that have to work everyday to pay for it. Do you?
I dont make $250k per year either, and now I dont want to. Thats a shame too, because I could have created some jobs, but I will just stay were I am because I dont want to give all my hard work away to someone else.
I would benefit from his tax cuts, because I don't make $250,000 a year.
Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:27 AM
tamb,
Your comment above jarred a thought loose in me.
Do you determine if something is right on the merits of how it affects you and the benefit you will receive or do you actually study the fairness of it? I may be wrong but your comment seems to reveal that mode of thinking where right or wrong is basically determined by how an individual would benefit from the something when I read it.
tamb,
I have heard you previously complain about the cost of health care premiums. How are you going to feel when you are paying yours and the guys across the road that has pickled his brain with alchohol over the years while you worked every day.
If that does not bother you to pay for yours and his and you would like to go further I will let you pay for mine.
Actually I have none. I can not afford it. Will you be upset if I send you my proposed premium?
You do realize you will have to pay for your premium and an amount equal to at least one other don't you.
Nothing wrong with being a bleeding heart liberal if that is what you are. I could actually grow to appreciate them if I could find the first one that wants to pay their proportionate share of the ways they support.
You never did explain the word "give". Would you?
Well actually we already give the a criminals healthcare in prisons it does seem like Joe six pack should get it also. Or should he have to become a criminal to get the healthcare he needs?
Our taxes feed, clothe, provide a roof, healthcare., lawyers and whatever else these people need because they are in our prisons for doing criminal acts but yet we balk when someone says we should provide these same benefits for hungry children and people who do not have the means of support.
That is simply amazing to me.
I believe that no one should be without healthcare. I don't care if you are a drug addict, a lazy bum, someone who cheats the welfare system, a criminal, whatever, I don't believe anyone should suffer because they lack health insurance or the money to pay for healthcare. I know you will disagree with me and that's Ok. We are all entitled to our opinions. Healthcare is a right, just as being treated equally is a right. Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you want; I don't find it an insult, just because I care if everyone has decent medical care. And, while I know I won't be able to convince you otherwise, you can't change my mind about this either.
Obama's plan will allow those who don't have insurance to obtain it through the plan the federal government is on. Those who can afford to pay for it will have a low cost. Those who can't, won't pay anything. Everyone who already has insurance will not have to do a thing. He's also wanting to lower our premiums that we pay. Health insurance is a big deal to me. His plan will also keep insurance companies from excluding people due to a pre-existing condition, which hits home for me, due to the fact that I'm a diabetic.
Is this enough?
-- Posted by tamb on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 11:27 AM
That is a choice you will have to make.
I do have a question though. You said..."I believe everyone has a right to healthcare, and his plan would give that right to everyone."
What do you mean "a right" and bear in mind you said everybody?
Also you used the word "give". Could you explain that?
Ok, well, here is why I'm voting for Obama. His healthcare plan -- I believe everyone has a right to healthcare, and his plan would give that right to everyone. I would benefit from his tax cuts, because I don't make $250,000 a year. I believe he will set a date to pull up out of Iraq and focus on Afghanistan and Bin Laden, which is where we should have been focused in the first place. He believes women should have the freedom of choice, which means that he will appoint liberal judges to the Supreme Court, which would keep Roe v Wade from being overturned.
Is this enough?
typo = charistatic should be charismatic
But I do notice that charistatic seems to be a natural sounding, possibly new word that fits??
Is there such a word?
tamb,
Your comment says why you are against McCain but does not say why you are for Obama other than you are not for McCain. This is what a lot of people are seeing and wondering about with Obama supporters.
I am not being critical of you but rather hope you see what others are referring to. It is not just you that did this. It seems to be a consistent noticed pattern with a lot of others.
It appears all Obama has to do is be charistatic and not answer anything significant and his following will continue. It is one of the most amazing phenomena I have been priviledged to witness in a lifetime.
I am voting for Obama for several reasons. I believe McCain is for trickle down economics, which has been shown not to work. I also do not like McCain's healthcare policy, and I believe it will lead to many losing their health insurance. Not only that, who can buy health insurance for $5,000 a year? I also think he will put more troops in Iraq, and we need to get out of there.
My biggest reason this election to vote for Obama is because of McCain's pro-life stance and believing states should be able to make laws concerning abortion. When states make decisions like that, it leads to bad laws, which are unconstitutional. Several of Tennessee's abortion laws are unconstitutional.
Is there anyone out there that could help me with the candidates who are representing Bedford County. I am at a lost on which way to go with them.
-- Posted by Rebelroseonly on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 9:07 PM
In the News section of this website you can see what their recent statements were.. However Tracy and Rogers are not competing only for Bedford County, they represent a much larger percentage of Tennesseans.
Local election for the TN House Race is between Cobb and Blanton... other elections involve city officials which I do not vote for since I do not reside in the city.
Sort of reminds me of Florida in 2000, and dead people voting for Republicans in 2004... It should all be stopped. Google "Diebold"
My daughter told us this morning that some of the girls at work from Nashville were talking about how they were voting 3 times for Obama. They said they are going back every few days and voting under another social security number and id. I cannot believe that we as a society can not put a stop to this behavior and punish these people for this. Being honest and doing what is right seems to be a thing of the past.
Is there anyone out there that could help me with the candidates who are representing Bedford County. I am at a lost on which way to go with them.
Mike_10,
Email me... darrick_04atyahoo.com please. So we can talk with "civility" on many issues concerning this election. Btw, in case you haven't noticed I agree with most everyone of your statements, and I myself am an Obama supporter.
Experts can tell you all they want that you don't vote for the bottom of the ticket, and the candidates want you to believe you are voting for just them.
The presidency is not just one man, and Bush's advisors and cabinet probably are more to blame for the legacy history will write for him. He did appoint them, so blame may be well deserved.
That said, I believe from the way Obama ran his campaign, he will surround himself with a more capable staff and cabinet than McCain will.
I think Iraq represents a small difference, but only on the surface. I believe McCain will slowly withdraw, as the political pressure there is increasing. I think Obama will withdraw faster, but simply shift the troops to Afghanistan and supply the Iraqi government directly with weapons and aid. I do not think Obama would make much difference in the ultimate cost, or the strain on our troops which are the main two issues to me at this point. I do not believe either candidate would allow the over-throw of the current client state, unless the current state becomes a liability.
I haven't seen any substantial difference in their economic policies, except they have a slightly different approach apparently designed to further the division that has been fostered in the past, but has consumed so many this year. Who benefits from a nation divided?
Also, did you happen to notice Pakistan fell today?
My biggest issue in this election is the Iraq War. I believe that Senator McCain (with the best of intentions of course) will increase troop levels in Iraq. Senator Obama may do the same, but I think he intends on making his focus Afghanistan and Bin Laden. My second most important issue is economic policy and it is my belief that "trickle down" economics has failed. I know that Obama does not has all the answers, but he seems (perhaps due to his youth) to be more open to a broader range of options and ideas than McCain.
I am sitting here watching the news on PBS and I do not understand why some of you are so convinced that there is a single difference between these candidates. I have heard from both sides that voting for one of these candidates will destroy America. I seriously would like anyone from either side to explain the difference to me. Please do not write "Obama is a socialist" or "McCain is a Republican", but could someone please explain where the division comes from? Taxes? NO - Healthcare? NO - Foreign Policy? Not really. I just do not see any differences.
Thanks for the clarification. I was slightly confused due to the opening line of that post, I guess.
I don't guess I have to point out that I agree with Mike_10, but I will anyway. Capitalism without socialistic protections will end quickly and with drastic consequences to the people. Communism with no free trade will also end poorly. Either system could, and should, be democratic. Under capitalism, the government's responsibility should be as a watchdog to provide oversight to all parties under their protection, not playing one against the other for the benefit of one and the detriment to others, at least to my way of thinking.
Nobody'sfool......I was not trying to be "uncivil" in my comments to you. I was trying to be informative. Even begging for a little help. I may have to stand corrected about uploading a picture unless you can import a picture into the comments "box." I could have sworn I have seen picture with some comments but I may be mistaken. If you email John Carney he can tell you if it is possible if you are interested.
rebelrose...If you say you didn't write the material in "your" comment, then I believe you, accept you explaination and apologize to you personally, but to whoever wrote it I stand by every word I said.
oh an Devan, just because you surmised something doesnt mean anyone else does. Since I dont have children and am not around them, I dont know what teenagers lingo is.
-- Posted by allwrappedup on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 4:18 PM
No offense meant, allwrappedup, I was just trying to clarify why I thought it was not her words posted under her name.
So you believe the government is less likely to screw the people than a business. Well their records sure dont reflect that.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 5:18 PM
Really? I bet millions of Americans who are denied by their very insurance companies, or ones how died in car accidents when recalls were not made, or ones who are herded to obesity, or ones who lose love ones fighting in wars so companies can turn a profit would disagree with you.
And no. Not our government now. It is run by special interest groups representing Capitalist business who care about a bottom line more than a factory worker's family.
Karl Marx believed Democracy WAS the end result of Socialism, not Communism.
They are very different things, Communism and Socialism. Communist were Socialist, but just like those questions you always run in to on assessment test - all loons are not always goons.
Communism left horrible scars in history. But, so did the Nazi. Are we to still blame the Germans of today?
I would say people love Obama because not because he is a socialist. I think people love Obama because he represents the opposite of what they feel oppresses them right now- our current government and economy.
I'm not saying Obama is at all the polar opposite of the ideals of our economy and government, he simply happens to be representing the side that isn't in control of the system now. Much like Clinton was the opposite of the Republican Party that dominated for 12 years.
I think you missed my point. I am saying that even if this website required people to post using their real names, you have no real way of verifying that they are who they claim to be.
For instance, I could set up an account using my mother-in-law's name and you would have no way of disproving or confirming that I'm actually her.
I'm also a little confused as to why you felt the need to be "uncivilized" toward me. Or am I completely misunderstanding your comment? I also don't see a place to upload my picture. Either that's a feature that's only available to the actual bloggers, or I'm blind.
So you believe the government is less likely to screw the people than a business. Well their records sure dont reflect that.
I am really talking about communism and socialism both. By definition they are different, but to me communism is just the end result of socialism. I have always viewed socialism as a mixture of communism and capitalism. And in this country, unless something drastic happens, we are on our way to communism. If you dont believe that then just look at Obama, who will more than likely win the election, he is clearly socialist and people love him.
I have to disagree; our economy is failing because there were not checks, or regulations, on business in this free market. It has nothing to do with any elements you see as socialism that exist in our economy today.
You say some companies will continue on to replace the ones that have not been run correctly. Are you willing to live with this at the expense of the citizens that are affected by this bad leadership and greed?
I agree it is simple - simple to be taken advantage of by greed - and it has been.
Government is in place to do what the private sector can not, will not, or should not do. The reason our capitalist economy appears to be failing is because it is heavily interlaced with socialism. The capitalist economy will have its ups and downs, some companys that have not been run as they should will go under and the stronger companys will continue on. If there is a market for the companies services/products that went under, some one else will come in and fill that gap. Its simple it works.
Greasemonkey,
I don't think Socialism opens the door for tyrants anymore than Capitalism does. But, that is not the point as we are talking economics not politics. You maybe speaking of Communism here instead?
Socialism, as you describe it - and I admit is the only way I was ever taught to view it myself - does not give incentives of people to work. But, Socialism, like Capitalism, comes in many flavors. I've read of those who support complete ownership of the country's industry and health care and education by the government. Some Socialists prefer a mixed economy with elements of a free market.
In that case, people would indeed have an incentive to work. Sure, the state would provide the ones who didn't basic care, clothing, food, and housing, but people like me and you, I suspect, would strive for a better house, a better car, better clothes, and finer surrounding that you would have the opportunity to earn in such a mixed economy.
The difference between the ones who chose the basics and the ones who strive for more is an issue of possibly poor education that develops the 'what can you do for me attitude' that will be present among a group of citizens not matter if your in a capitalist or even feudal economy.
My point is, why are we so quick to say this program smells of Socialism so it can not be tolerated, when that may be the best course of action for that particular issue?
It has been debated that Socialism as a whole on the economy is a failure. I believe today you could debate that about Capitalism, too. Would it be so wrong to try elements of each?
I don't see using elements of Socialism as giving the government power over our lives, but as using our government to have more control over things that do hold too much power over our lives, such as big business.
Rebelrose, your other posts were not on the blog when I started mine, had they been, I wouldnt have sent mine. Thanks for clearing things up.
If I had teenage boys in and out of my house, I would have my computer password protected. My friend got a terrible virus on her computer, had to have the hard drive reformatted, lost everything, because her 14 year old grandson was surfing porn sites :(
oh an Devan, just because you surmised something doesnt mean anyone else does. Since I dont have children and am not around them, I dont know what teenagers lingo is.
Carl -
I agree that RebelRose's comments - or one's made under that name by someone - are wrong.
But, I am shocked to hear you saw you have NEVER seen such an act. These are your words: most despicable and cowardly act I have ever heard on these blogs or anywhere else. I can see why you don't want anyone to know who you are for you are an IDIOT!!!
You say ANYWHERE ELSE.
Obviously, you didn't watch the 2004 Republican National Convention. Several delegates wore Purple Heart Band-Aids to imply John Kerry's wounds were not 'worthy' of such a medal.
Kerry reportedly had three separate shrapnel wounds. Clearly not torture, but wounds he received in the line of duty defending OUR country, only to be mocked himself.
For as much political history you claim to know, I'm surprised to see you so offended at an attack of this type by a mere blogger when delegates were engaging in similar attacks in '04.
This may be appropriate to your topic Civility. It didn't exist in that election four years ago, and I don't believe it exist in any form of competition.
Rebelrose, If anyone on here is beyond DESPICABLE!!!! It's the blogger himself, not you! I knew you didn't write that when I read it also. I'm always logged on at home and the same could happen to me as well.
Don't pay any attention to that comment, he's a joke to most of us anyway!
Mike_10,
Socialism will never ever work because it removes any incentives to excel in life. If the government is going to supply your every need then why do you need to make a way for yourself when its already made. Look at the way the US operates now, the government is starting to take care of more and more things that we should take care of ourselves. America is consumed in socialist programs already, they just start up little by litte, like death by a thousand cuts. Supply and demand will be thrown out the window, because the government will keep prices artificially high/low. The free market should stabilize prices. There also wouldnt be any competition among business, which would eliminate breakthoughs in science, technololgy and other things. My biggest proble with socialism is it puts a foot in the door for tyranny. It is coming though, just look at the country now, its halfway to socialism already mostly brought on by the past 16 yrs of poor leadership. Looking at our current selection of leadership does not paint a bright picture. So everyone can just get ready to trade in that strong battle scarred freedom for some nice shiny oppression.
Rebelrose, please don't be upset by some of the comments made after you made your apology and explanation. Civility is lacking on these blogs to a high degree and those who lack it don't deserve one second of your care. I myself leave my computer signed in to the blog page all the time so the same thing could probably happen to me if the wrong person happened to want to do mischief.
And by the way, Carl, your uncivility did not just start with your last post.
And by the way, allwrappedup, I first surmised that rebelrose did not make the post in question when I realized it started out "Whatever!!" - an idiom muuch more likely to be used by a teenager that a mature lady like rebelrose.
I did say I didn't say it.Well that is what I was tring to tell everyone.I guess I got all wrapped up tring to explain how anyone can get my password.I am sorry this has happened.I never knew about this until today when someone called me and told me about it.I was as shocked as anyone else that knows me.I do not even know for sure who I am going to vote for.It is still up in the air.I would never make fun of anyone or hurt anyone .I do not like anyone being upset with me. That is all I am going to say about this.I can not make anyone believe anything different than what they want to believe.I use to blog everyday and in the past several months I may have blogged a couple of times.I guess I will have to find out how to change my name and password so this want happen again.I have already moved my book that I keep all the computer stuff in so it just want be out for anyone.I am not sure how I can change my name but I am going to look into it.I am really sorry this has happened.
What ever !!!!!!!!!!! I know who I am voting for and it is not for the one that looks like he has his mouth and cheeks full of crap all the time...and looks like he is walking around with a stick up his butt and his arms look like the are being pulled by a string when he is walking around tring to speak....I am going for the man that will show us all that he is going to be good for us...Guess who. OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Posted by rebelrose on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM
Hello everyone I was just called on this one and Maybe I should change my name or just put my real name...I for one have had alot of hard times and this is so wrong...but I know everyone that knows who I am knows be alot better than this.....I have not blogged in some time ...But I will be sure to start again just so I can check on this and make sure on one is putting words in my mouth...
-- Posted by rebelrose on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 1:02 PM
Strange that the "format" of each post is the same. (With.......Between statements).
If I thought someone else was "putting words in my mouth" by using my nick name, I would have at least made a point to say "I didnt say this!"
I just saw you said i was unAmerican...you are so very wrong !!!!! and I stand by that...Why do you have to be so rude ??? I will not get up-set back at you...But you really need to stop being so rude to others yourself...You are calling me names and putting me down and do not even know me..Yes I do know all about McCains injuries...And it is very sad ...I do not put down or make fun of anyone...I am not like that...Yes someone can use my pass word if they wanted to ...It is all written down...But I know in my heart that I have not said anything ugly about anyone..That is all that matters...Hope you have a good day...
cmcclanahan
Sometimes we as humans have to take people for their word and I personally believe rebelrose. I wondered when I saw that post what had happened to her. I know we don't always agree on things but she has never lashed out like that before, then I thought maybe she was just having a bad day.
If Rebelrose says she did not post that comment I for one believe her.
cmcclanahan...I have not said those things and I am not a idiot...My computer and is always opened to any of the people that come into my home...Which is alot of friends of my sons...I have all my passwords wrote down in a book at my computer for everything I have a password for..because i have a hard time knowing which one is for which things...So I have to look it up....i am the one that should be upset over it not you...But what someone else make think or feel is their right...i sure would not call them a name....
I hesitate to being reduced to uncivility on my own piece about civility, but, being human somethings I just can't let pass.
Slingshot..........Show where I said Obama is a muslim. I personally saw and heard a video clip where he said, "We can't screw it up any worse than they did." This is well document and easy to find. I challenge you to name any other untruth I wrote about Obama. Try to wrap your feeble brain around the concept of separating facts from opinion. You may be the only person on the planet who acts surprised to know I support McCain.
Rebelrose.........You are beyond DESPICABLE!!!! To attack a true American hero's physical challenges recieved for years of torture to save your worthless butt is the grosses, most despicable and cowardly act I have ever heard on these blogs or anywhere else. I can see why you don't want anyone to know who you are for you are an IDIOT!!!
Nobody'sfool........The T-G does not prohibit you using your name and each comment box has a place to upload your picture. No one can use your name if it is password protected so that's not much of a reason. How about a little support for we who face the stones of the "nutcases."
Devan..........If Rebelrose does not know of McCains injuries, she has no license to comment at all! Such ignorance is unbelievable. To say someone used her password protected account is a very lame possibility. You simply cannot deny she maliciously attacked McCain in a most despicable and unAmerican way. My opinion and I stand by it.
To all other commenter, I appreciate your input. Some I like some I don't but if put forth in a mannerly and respectful way you are adding to the debate and helping all to form or maybe alter their thinking. I have composed this response quickly here on the blog "box" and have not proofed it well, so, syntax police, come on. Seems you can not intelligently address any issues so I will give you something you can shoot at.
Does that mean we should abandon any notion to look at any practices outside of capitalism?
I hear so many people quick to destroy any notion of Socialism, but I haven't heard many reasons.
Sorry I mis-spelled some things...But I was so up-set that I did not check it before I posted
Hello everyone I was just called on this one and Maybe I should change my name or just put my real name...I for one have had alot of hard times and this is so wrong...but I know everyone that knows who I am knows be alot better than this.....I have not blogged in some time ...But I will be sure to start again just so I can check on this and make sure on one is putting words in my mouth...
So far it does.
The idea of capitalism is still the only sound way an economy works.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 11:38 AM
Why do you feel this way? I understand Capitalism is the only thing we as American's have known, but does that make it the ONLY way?
You are right it is socialism. The government is so large now that there is no way toturn it around, it controls almost every aspect of our lives and no longer represents us. Now that the govt owns us it is starting to buy the companies we work for. Where I disagree is that you said capitalism is a failed idea. The idea of capitalism is still the only sound way an economy works, the reason it has failed us is because of entirely to much govt interference. People and businesses always look to the govt for help when for the most part the govt is the problem.
I just wanted to share my thoughts on something, nobody seems to be discussing... The bailout of the Big Three:
These are my thoughts and my opinions only... But do read.
GM, Ford, and Chrysler, once famed the "Big Three" in the automobile industry until intense rivalry from Japanese automobile manufacturers like Toyota, Nissan, and Honda arrived, are one of thousands of companies facing a crisis in the current economic meltdown. Industry lobbyists are pleading with both presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and John McCain to help them stay afloat, with a $25 billion loan. The lobbyists have reminded each candidate that multiple facilities rest in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana and Missouri, and a few states are considered battleground states, which will tip the election. They are threatening Congress that if any one, or all three of these companies fail as a result of the recession they will pay by losing Congressional seats in the 2010 mid-term elections. Obama has proposed doubling the loan amount, and McCain supports the current $25 billion plan. The loan is said to be provided so Detroit can produce more fuel-efficient cars, at more a more rapid pace, as well as provide capital for the companies to maintain cash flow.
GM and Chrysler are throwing merger talks on the table as a way to combine assets, increase workforce and expand production once the economy does ultimately turn around. Automotive analysts would have never suspected a year ago or even as little as a few months ago, such a deal would be in the works. Chrysler has already had its share of financial troubles selling an 80.1% stake of its company to a private American equity firm, Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. Though GM and Ford are both without problems they have yet to sell major stakes of their company to any outside equity firms.
Why a bailout for the auto companies makes sense, to some; the overwhelming amount of human capital combined at all three companies and the potential damaging effects if they are to fail. GM, number 4 on Fortune's 500 largest American Corporations list, had revenues of $182 billion in 2007. Ford Motor, number 7 on that list reported revenue of $172 billion. Chrysler, not on that list, saw both revenues and profits decline dramatically. All together these companies employ 600,000 line workers. Factoring in companies that rely on all three, the total workforce swells to 3.6 million people. If an automaker declared bankruptcy, tax payers would suffer the burden of funding retirement benefits from that company. The trade deficit would balloon as foreign companies lure domestic customers their way. In 1979, the government saved Chrysler by shelling out stock warrants. Thirty years later, the idea is looming that if things get worse the government will begin to take stakes in the companies and will sell those stakes once the companies turn around and become profitable again.
Where are all the cries of socialism when it is for the protection of big business? I thought government wasn't supposed to mingle with business and that America was a free-market (capitalist) society. Where is the bailout for the millions of homeowners, who had jobs, but lost them, and are now losing their homes too? Where are the bailouts for the 47,000,000 Americans without health insurance? Where is relief to the average person, who is living within their means and not outspending their budget? Why is government intervening as rescuers when they should be intervening as prosecutors of the most audacious conspiracy to use American tax payer dollars to fund this failed idea called capitalism. Many are still waiting on the market to work itself out, but why don't we demand our government and the large corporations affected become proactive in dealing with crisis, rather than reactive. I, among millions, certainly agree it would save time and money, and after all, that is the only thing these companies are asking for.
Dianatn, Sorry, I should have said it was the first sentence. I hope you didn't spend too much time reading that huge page. It was really not worth reading anyway, just another example of what we see everyday. Someone had edited the page with some very derogatory mis-information. Actually, it is saddening to imagine that we are so divided. I really shouldn't have even commented about it, but it so clearly demonstrated the topic at hand.
Why would you automatically assume which half I'm referring to? I'm actually saying that I believe there will be turmoil, regardless of who wins.
-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 9:46 AM
No one assumes what you are thinking, but you did state that half the people will be stuck with someone they hate.
My point is, 'so what.' In 2000 and in 2004 half of all voters did not get their choice of candidate for the president. Life went on. People still went to work and carried on their lives. The country is already in 'turmoil', and it has nothing to do with people hating the current president.
Race may be an issue right now during an election. For a sitting President, I have to disagree. Race would only affect that person to the degree you fear if there was nothing else on the mind of the nation. This obviously will not be the case.
As far as racial slurs go, idiots live everywhere and have to shop too. Usually you notice them easier because they have no concept of shame.
Talk about civility, go right now and look up John Mccain in the always accurate wikipedia. It is circlulating and will be fixed soon, so here is a quick link.Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 9:41 AM
I am not trying to be rude or anything here but could you give me a hint what it is I am looking for? I don't have the time to read the entire article :>(
By the way, my comments were not meant to imply that every voter is racist, crazy or zealous. There are many people in this country who are concerned about the actual isses and are willing to vote for who they believe to be the right candidate, regardless of their party.
Unfortunately, I feel that they're probably outnumbered.
Why would you automatically assume which half I'm referring to? I'm actually saying that I believe there will be turmoil, regardless of who wins.
This situation is much more volatile than the last election, in my opinion. And the race factor absolutely does not help. I'm completely convinced that many, many people in this country are voting based on race. So many people refuse to learn where their candidate stands on any of the issues, because they refuse to consider that the other party may have the better candidate.
This goes for both sides. Some people refuse to consider voting for Obama because he's black. Some people are only voting for him because he is. Then, there's the whole religious aspect. It's brought all of the zealots out of the woodwork. People who are convinced that Obama is the antichrist. These people would vote for PeeWee Herman, if it were there only other option. I've never personally witnessed so much absolute hatred among voters (for each other).
I don't put much stock in polls, so I still think this election could go either way. I think that there are probably a lot of people out there who won't admit that they intend to vote for McCain, simply to avoid the backlash opf Bush haters. The same goes for many Obama voters. Many people, especially in the south, won't admit that they support Obama because of the flack they may get from friends and family. It's sad, but true.
I know that I've personally heard more openly racist remarks over the past few months, than I have in years. Just yesterday, I overheard two men loudly tossing around racial slurs in Wal-Mart. They were discussing the election and they made no effort to keep from being overheard.
So, I stand by my opinion that regardless of the outcome, this country is in serious trouble. Bothe emotionally and economically.
Talk about civility, go right now and look up John Mccain in the always accurate wikipedia. It is circlulating and will be fixed soon, so here is a quick link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Rebelrose.......I hope you know why John McCain looks and walks like he does. He was a prisoner of war for over 5 years in a foreign country. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying those things about him. He fought for his country and that includes people like you who don't deserve his service at all. My son is currently serving and so has my oldest son and husband as well. I hate to think that there are people like you sitting over here enjoying their every day walks of life and not giving a second thought to those who have served and are serving now. It's people like you who want to vote for someone who doesn't even know how many states there are in the US and won't give a second look at the American flag. He doesn't respect American values and you'll see how you brought about the biggiest "change" there ever was in history after you vote for him.
If anything, facing the fact that you've just been officially stuck with four years of somebody you can't stand, may make the hatemongering worse.
Posted by Nobody'sFool on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 10:03 PM
Half of the people that voted last time have felt this way the past four years. What's the difference - that it would be the other half?
I feel sorry for the people who are under the misguided assumption that things will all be ok once the election is over.
This country is so divided, that there's no way the turmoil will end overnight. If anything, facing the fact that you've just been officially stuck with four years of somebody you can't stand, may make the hatemongering worse.
The economy will probably suffer even more than it is now, as the result of it.
I agree with Devan. The tone of rebelrose's post does not jive with the other posts she has made. I have never noticed her posts to be rude and childish before, and would be be inlined to believe these thoughts belonged to someone else.
Mudslinging is a part of every election although this one has been a bit over the top on both sides not only from the candidates but from the supporters as well.
But making fun of McCain because he was hurt during War time is taking it too far.
I am no fan of McCain's but I would never stoop to make fun of him because of his disabilities. He received those injuries in service to this country.
However, I find the mudslinging to be worse from the McCain camp. I work as a writer at a another newspaper in another town, and the letters to the editor are terrible. We aren't even able to print some of them because they are full of lies. Most of them come from McCain supporters.
Blame Lee Atwater, not us.
After re-reading her post I think maybe someone else may have access to her computer and may have posted under her user name.
I have watched rebelrose post many times on other blogs and I know she has a good heart. I only hope that she was not aware of McCain disabilities and her comments were out of ignorance rather than malice.
rebelrose
You do not do Obama any favors by saying things like that
Ditto greasmonkey, jaxspike and nobody'sfool.
Thanks rebelrose for proving the point of Mr. McClanahan's blog. Although the term that comes to my mind to describe what you said is DESPICABLE.
I don't know about anybody else, but I'd be willing to use my real name on this website if it were required. The only problem with that is, how can you verify it? What's to keep me from signing up as my next door neighbor?
I would use my name now, if it weren't for some of the nutcases on here that want to stone me for daring to disagree with a "man of God" and for not pledging my undying devotion to one particular political party.
And yeah, that remark about McCain was way over the top. Apparently, he's not the only one who has a "mouth full of crap".
That could be the worst possible thing I have heard pertaining to the candidates yet though. I can be accused of being uncivil, but I would not have even stooped that low.
I thought the same thing greasemonkey . . . maybe she should be thrown in a cage and beaten a few times and see how she would walk then. I can't imagine belittling a veteran much less a POW no matter their political affiliation.
This is what I hate about this election . . . so much nonsense like that. It is no better than someone saying they aren't voting for Obama because he is black.
Wow, I am not voting for McCain, but to belittle a man for being crippled thats kinda mean. He was beaten bad enough as a POW to cripple him, I dont agree with him on the issues but he took that for his country.
What ever !!!!!!!!!!! I know who I am voting for and it is not for the one that looks like he has his mouth and cheeks full of crap all the time...and looks like he is walking around with a stick up his butt and his arms look like the are being pulled by a string when he is walking around tring to speak....I am going for the man that will show us all that he is going to be good for us...Guess who. OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no entertainment value in civility, lol.
I just wondered how long it would take for a negative comment to be made . . . I guess some dont see the merit in what was said.
Untruths? hmmm....I dont think so
i hope many readers can see you for what you seem to be sir, one minute your spewing all kinds of untruths about Obama, his associations with evil people, he is a muslim, he's running because he can't screw it up worst than George Bush, you purposely tried to reduce Obama to a "callous, evil characterless lout. Next you are saying you remember not so long ago when candidates could run on merits. Its people like you that wont let the canidates run on true merits you have to muddy the water up with bull crap. Why don't you just come out and say "Hey i want everyone to vote for McCain. I would have had some respect for you sir. Its more than obvious that you have no respect for Obama. Hypocrite, hypocrite hypocrite.
PREACH ON CARL! I love it.