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Carl McClanahan

Equal Application of the Law...??

Posted Friday, June 8, 2018, at 3:09 PM
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  • Special counsel Robert Mueller just filed a new indictment Friday that added more charges against former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and brought the first charges against a longtime associate of Manafort’s with ties to Russian intelligence: Konstantin Kilimni.

    We have a Russian intelligence operative working with Paul Manafort who was Trumps campaign manager. If that is not collusion with Russians, then what is?

    -- Posted by Grit on Fri, Jun 8, 2018, at 10:56 PM
  • Grit....the charges against Manafort are for activites 10 years ago. Please site for me, and others, the statute outlawing collusion.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Jun 9, 2018, at 9:54 AM
  • There are now a total of 20 individuals and three businesses that have either been indicted or admitted guilt and a total of 75 charges filed by Mueller. Twenty five of those charges are against Manafort. Kilimnik, the Russian spy, shares two of those charges with Manafort – Obstruction of Justice and Conspiracy and Obstruction of Justice. These two charges were recent, with Kilimnik and Manafort attempting to sway the testimony of two potential witnesses who might offer evidence against Manafort. Kilimnik is now residing in Russia, and will not be extradicted.

    So with Trump, the former campaign manager (Manafort) has twenty five charges against him; and his counterpart (Kilimnik) is a Russian spy. When was it OK to conspire with a Russian spy? Why did Trump hire these people?

    -- Posted by Grit on Sat, Jun 9, 2018, at 1:01 PM
  • Yet it is unquestioned that Hillary's campaign hired a foreign spy to create a fake dossier as a hit piece against Trump. No further investigation needed... it happened.

    Where are Hillary's idictments?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jun 12, 2018, at 2:01 PM
  • Hillary is not the President of the United States. She does not get up every day and make decisions that affect the citizens of this country. Trump does.

    -- Posted by Grit on Wed, Jun 13, 2018, at 1:55 PM
  • Irrelevant to whether the law was broken.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 13, 2018, at 3:15 PM
  • If Hillary Clinton was President, and the Russians used their assets to support her over Trump, she would have been impeached by now.

    -- Posted by Grit on Wed, Jun 13, 2018, at 4:00 PM
  • Hillary was secstate, violated the law, and had zero repercussions.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 13, 2018, at 5:31 PM
  • Trump has been involved with over 3500 lawsuits, a couple of divorces, Trump University fraud, failed to pay hundreds of contractors and now is making money off his status as President in violation of the emoluments clause to name a few. Of course, we never saw his tax return - we do not know if he telling the truth about his wealth. By the way, Trump is President. Hillary Clinton is not President. Trump makes decisions that affect me, Hillary does not. Given his background, I do not trust Trump to act upon my best interests.

    -- Posted by Grit on Wed, Jun 13, 2018, at 11:25 PM
  • A nice song and dance that completely dodges the issue.

    There is no federal law about "collusion" in an election, so the activation of a special prosecutor was improper.

    Dems just can't handle that their socialist utopia got derailed, when Hillary bungled the election so badly.

    That is why dem accusations against Trump are always moving and jumping around like Elizabeth Warren doing a rain dance.

    I get that dems are terrified that their gravy train will dry up.

    The double standard at work here is as obvious as it is absurd.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 5:44 AM
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    I posted this the last time Carl and Mikey were blaming Democrats for the Mueller investigation.

    Special Investigator, Robert Mueller, is a Republican.

    Rod Rosenstein, Head of the DOJ, is a Republican.

    James Comey, Republican

    Former Deputy Director of The FBI, Andrew McCabe, Republican

    The U.S. Attorney in NY that issued the warrants for the raid on Trump's lawyer is a Republican.

    All 4 FISA Court judges that issued warrants and surveillance on Trump's campaign adviser, Carter Page, are Republicans.

    The Attorney General, Republican

    Republicans control both The House, and The Senate.

    Trump and his supporters are the only ones to blame for the current implosion of the Republican Party. Not Democrats.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 10:20 AM
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    Also, Carl falsely claims Hillary sold uranium to Russia. This "unarguable fact" is actually a thoroughly debunked lie and can be easily observed with a simple google search. But I'll provide links if you're unable to do your own research.

    Also Mikey, please tell us what laws Hillary violated.

    The "foreign spy" you refer to worked for the British government and successfully worked with our FBI and counter intelligence agencies in the past.

    And he wasn't hired by Hillary, he was originally hired by Fusion GPS and a conservative political group, and then he was hired again by the FBI.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 10:35 AM
  • RV, Youve tried to play this game before..

    18 USC 793

    18 USC 798

    18 USC 1924

    18 USC 2071

    18 USC 641

    18 USC 1505

    18 USC 1519

    18 USC 371

    Those are the big ones and the slam dunks.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 1:31 PM
  • The "foreign spy" you refer to worked for the British government and successfully worked with our FBI and counter intelligence agencies in the past.

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    Yeah, that's kinda what spies do.

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    And he wasn't hired by Hillary, he was originally hired by Fusion GPS and a conservative political group, and then he was hired again by the FBI.

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    I know it might be biased, but the NY Times says you're wrong.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/clinton-dnc-russia-dossier.htm...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 1:36 PM
  • Treason is defined in Article III, Section III of the Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    If a presidential candidate or his lieutenants secretly work with a foreign government that is a longtime adversary of the United States to manipulate and then win a presidential election, that is almost a textbook definition of treason

    -- Posted by Grit on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 1:52 PM
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    Mikey, how many times have I stressed that you should really read your own links thoroughly before posting them.

    Here are paragraphs from your link..

    "Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele, a respected former British spy"

    "Fusion GPS had already been conducting the research “for one or more other clients during the Republican primary contest.”

    "The spokesperson said that neither the Clinton campaign, nor the D.N.C., was aware that Fusion GPS had been hired to conduct the research."

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 5:00 PM
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    And really, Mikey? You're going back to Hillary's e-mails?

    That dead horse has been beat to death worse than Obama's birth certificate.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 5:23 PM
  • So you're asking what laws Hillary violated OTHER than the ones listed?

    I knew dems were willing to overlook lots of things the protect their freebies, but you really should be specific with your questions.

    If you don't like the NY Times article, how about wapost?

    It's well known that Hillary's lawyer hired Fusion GPS.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 6:32 PM
  • Grit,

    For treason to apply, we have to be at war to have an enemy to adhere to.

    You might try looking up case law for treason. It's one of the more rarely prosecuted statutes, because it is narrowly defined.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 6:34 PM
  • Hillary Rotten Clinton gave all that classified Information to Russia AND Weiner! Why else would she delete all the emails she possibly could and wash the hardrives and smash all the iphones criminating her and her KGB.

    Hillary and the whole dam DNC, State Department, DOJ, KGB Lynch, USurper Comey and FBI pretty much confessed to rigging the election against Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

    The only thing left to do now is to deal out the punishment.

    The Inspector General's report was broken down for us by the KGB Office and read like a chapter from Comey's book.

    The FBI is serious about all the findings and is going to "INVESTIGATE THE FINDINGS OF THE IG" and take actions to explain the laws to every FBI Agent!

    Why do they need to investigate the findings of the IG???

    What kind of Bull **** is that? It sounded like some Democrat telling us "What difference does it make at this point and time..." "We have to find out what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again." Then she refused to answer the questions she was asked by congress. She evaded the questions for 11 hours straight. Her answers had nothing to do with the questions asked!!!!!!!!

    Your definition of Treason describes Barack Obama to a TEE!

    Obama knew everything Hillary Rotten Clinton was doing while he was in office and there is proof of it.

    Some of those people being investigated have nothing to do with the Trump election. They are crimes committed under Obama reign.

    Raiding the office of Trump's Lawyer is a violation of the 4th and 5th Bill of rights forcing Trump to testify against himself. Every case brought on by that illegal raid should be dismissed. You have lawyer client privileges.

    Now no one should ever tell their lawyer what they done because the DOJ can rape your mind and thoughts and words spoken in private to your lawyer. But then I have always told everyone... Your Lawyer works for the court - NOT YOU!

    Jesus Christ is really going to enjoy his revenge when He returns! It will be over a thousand years before there will be any peace on this Earth for the people after Christ returns.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 6:38 PM
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    Mikey, I didn't say I didn't like your NY Times article. All I did was post paragraphs from the article that prove you wrong.

    "Fusion GPS had already been conducting the research “for one or more other clients during the Republican primary contest.”

    So before Hillary's lawyer supposedly hired Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS had already been conducting the research on Trump and was originally hired to do so by a conservative political action group.

    But somehow you think Hillary should be "indicted"?

    Please explain.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 7:42 PM
  • The same "collusion" dems have been sh***ng kittens over, trying to tie it to trump.

    If "collusion" with foreign agencies, trying to influence an election is a crime (it isn't) then dems should be just as apoplectic about Hillary's hiring of a foreign spy, just to avoid hypocrisy.

    Actually, they should be more upset, as this happened AFTER she railroaded Bernie, and had debate questions given to her in advance (and still managed to be beaten soundly after out spending her opponent by 100%).

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM
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    One more time, Mikey. Fusion GPS hired Steele (your spooky "foreign spy")

    And Steele was our ally.(Former British intelligence,E.g. James Bond) A spy that had worked with our intelligence agencies in the past.

    Not a Russian spy that works against us. (E.g. Carter Page)

    And Fusion GPS was ORIGINALLY hired by a conservative political group to gather information on Trump.

    Hillary no more "hired a foreign spy" than she did sell Uranium to Russia. Or have a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza shop (pizza-gate).

    You, Carl, and Sui really need to take off your tinfoil hats and step away from the Kool-aid.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jun 14, 2018, at 9:32 PM
  • One more time RV, Hillary's lawyer hired Fusion GPS

    Foreign spies are foreign spies.

    Until hillary got her rear end handed to her, liberals, and even odumbo thought concerns over Russia were unfounded (the 1980s called...)

    Fusion GPS and Steele have Russian connections.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/deep-state-run-amok-democrats-and-...

    No matter how much you spin it, dems' hypocrisy is obvious.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 15, 2018, at 3:41 AM
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    Mikey, you are still refusing to acknowledge that conservatives were the ones who originally hired Fusion GPS to gather the opposition information on Trump. You said Hillary should be "indicted" for this. Should the republicans that first hired Fusion GPS be indicted too? And let me get this straight...in your world, a foreign spy that works for our allies to help the USA(Britain, France, Australia, etc.), is the same as a spy from Iran, Syria, North Korea, or Russia that's working to harm U.S. interests?

    The only thing obvious here is your own hypocrisy and vacuous grasp on reality.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Jun 15, 2018, at 5:00 AM
  • Why am I not surprised that you ignore reality thst doesn't align with your goofy liberal worldview?

    Obama himself said Russia wasn't a threat.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg#

    So in your world "colluding" with a foreign government to influence an election is perfectly fine, as long as that country currently has good relations with the US?

    Stupidity and hypocrisy aren't a good fit for you RV, but I guess you have to go with your strenghths.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 15, 2018, at 7:35 AM
  • RV,

    You're behind the times anyway. The NY Times now says Hillary lost because of Comey's letter.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/upshot/did-comey-cost-clinton-the-election...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 15, 2018, at 7:55 AM
  • Russian meddling in our 2016 election could be considered an Act of War. This is according to Dick Cheney.

    -- Posted by Grit on Sun, Jun 17, 2018, at 9:44 AM
  • Liberals, even after a full year, and then some, have yet to show a single vote being changed by "russians".

    Perhaps they can't admit they ran the most despicable, dishonest, lying cheating hag in election history, but at the very least, they should admit reality.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jun 18, 2018, at 3:49 AM
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