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Carl McClanahan

Racism

Posted Monday, June 8, 2020, at 4:55 PM
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  • Here is something on systemic racism from the Catholic Bishops, :

    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/upload/raci...

    -- Posted by tcreek on Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 1:26 PM
  • tcreek………..Interesting piece, typical platitudes, somewhat dated. Does not indicate what system is racist.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 7:30 PM
  • Here is a journal article with the authors from Harvard and McMaster University in Canada; there is a section on Institutional racism. These authors also question how an institution can be racist - in that it takes away from individual action. https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/matthewclair/files/clair_denis_2015.pdf

    -- Posted by tcreek on Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 9:11 PM
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    "As someone who prides himself on having a reasonable vocabulary and reasonable command of of the English language"

    Posted Monday, June 8, 2020, at 4:55 PM

    By carl

    Yeah, carl, we all know you consider yourself a cunning linguist. What we don't know is why tcreek thinks we would download his response to your cunning linguistism.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 10, 2020, at 12:28 AM
  • Fs....excellent answer on which systems are racists.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Wed, Jun 10, 2020, at 5:21 AM
  • Carl,

    We are talking about "institutional" and "systemic", not institutions or systems, as tcreek would have it. Institutional racism is racism that is codified by Society (Custom) or law, across the entire spectrum. The most infamous of the latter would be the Jim Crow laws of the South. The former would be, for example, the military prior to 1947. (Does anyone know if the Tuskegee airmen had the only black officers? The reason it was all-black was that white crew members (crew chiefs, etc.) were forbidden to salute black officers.)

    Systemic racism is racism that can be specific to particular area, jobs, or part of society. For example, around St. Louis, there are 99 towns and cities, and many of them have racist cops. And if they are in a position of authority (training officer!), it will bleed downward. IF the heat gets too much, they just quit and go work at another police department, adding to that department his racism. Thus, racism in police departments would systemic.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Wed, Jun 10, 2020, at 8:06 PM
  • Tyger,

    Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I agree for the most part with your characterizations but they are in the past. Most who bandy the terms about are addressing contemporary America. I would take one exception in that the root words for institutional is institution and systemic is system. This is from norms of proper grammatical usage of the English language.

    I am a product of segregation. Also I was in the military from mid-1950s to late fifties (Feb. '57 'til Sept. '60 Navy) I saw in the military first hand the remanents of discriminations. While there was no longer official policies condoning racism, there were jobs performed almost totally by blacks. For instance, aboard ship, Stewards Mates were those who cooked, cleaned and served Officers in their quarters and were all black in my case.

    In contemporary America I know of no government on any level that fosters or condones racism in any form. Such has been true for many years. I don't know what else government can do. One thing it cannot do is effectively edict change in the hearts and minds of anyone. If one wants respect one can achieve it only by earning it, not demanding it.

    As to the police, somewhere between 800,000 and one million depending on who you believe, any group granted authority to stroke their ego will ALWAYS have a few idiots who will abuse their authority. No amount of anecdotal examples will change this. There are some who would have you believe one example of a rogue cop means all cops are bad but will argue vociferously one rouge member of a race is not indicative of all members of said race. This in a nutshell stirs the passions of many and almost guarantees no solutions and further derision.

    I again ask the question, what contemporary institutions and/or systems are racist. No problem has a solution if the problem cannot be defined.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Thu, Jun 11, 2020, at 10:43 AM
  • Good topic Carl and so far we are doing well with thoughtful observations, opinions, etc. One conundrum I see in discussing this subject and the many more that NEED to be discussed to try to achieve some valuable goals, is how to disagree without being ACCUSED and voices shouting OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, THEY MUST BE FIRED, etc..

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 11, 2020, at 6:31 PM
  • Steve,

    Interesting how interesting topics can be discussed calmly and reasonably when the blog trolls are busy elsewhere. Notice, as I have mentioned before, they only exist to tell you, I and others how wrong we are, but enough of that.

    This discussion can never happen as long as race baiters call anyone who has a problem with them a racist and intend this to cut off all debate. One of the US's greatest philosophers Dr. Thomas Sowell, a man I have always admired, recently made the following observation: "Racism is not dead, but it is on life support-kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racist.'"

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Thu, Jun 11, 2020, at 10:13 PM
  • There is no systemic or institutionalized racism in the US anymore. Are there still racists, sure there are. But there is nothing available to white people that is not available to blacks,or any other race.

    The media, and some politicians, like to hype race based incidents, or simply create them, for the attention and reaction.

    Everyone knows George Floyd's name,but how many know Tony Timpa?

    An almost identical event, cops kneeling on his neck,killing him.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 12, 2020, at 1:01 AM
  • In internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

    I have never intended to be a troll, Carl. Nor do I think my posts meet that definition. I have pointed out when you have been factually incorrect. There is a difference. I have also agreed with you at times. With any luck, I will have enough time to (hopefully) add something to this discussion, but you are correct. I have been otherwise occupied. China gave enough warning by shutting down Wuhan to adapt my business enterprise to the pandemic, and now I am having the best year ever. It just means working some ridiculous hours.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jun 13, 2020, at 8:34 AM
  • My dictionary defines troll when used as a noun as I did, as "a person who posts inflammatory or inappropriate messages or comments online for the purpose of upsetting other users and provoking a response." I'll leave to the good offices of reasonable people who peruse these blogs who fits this description.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Jun 13, 2020, at 12:37 PM
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    Pot, kettle?

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jun 13, 2020, at 1:25 PM
  • I rest my case. See also 1st comment on next post.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM
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    Excuse me! So now the definition of troll includes asking questions? Pardon me for trying to expand my knowledge.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jun 13, 2020, at 9:43 PM
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