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Do you know ...Posted Saturday, April 10, 2010, at 11:53 AM
The Hansens?
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Mary Reeves is a staff writer for the Times-Gazette.
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Mary, I am sorry to change the subject, but I just now read your article in this morning's T-G. It was great and you should add me to your team of those who are afraid of things that slither. Mtoses gave the best advice. When Ataron's rod was cast to the ground and it became a serpent, Mtoses fled from before it.
I'd forgotten about that one and you're right! See, we're in good company!
I don't know her, but I know a lot about the process for both domestic and international adoption.
Even if I knew the person, the way this has played out in the media I definitely wouldn't offer any information. This is just sad and pathetic and to even read that animal control went to the house to "check on the animals" just makes it even worse. I think some people need to tend to their own homes and children and let the proper individuals investigate and deal with this matter.
Amen Jaxspike I couldn't agree more it has become a circus and I don't blame her for not going home..and I don't even know her.
I know Dianatn. What really irks me even more is the fact that we have certain people representing Shelbyville and Bedford County at these "press conferences" and media interviews who seem to really enjoy the attention which saddens me too. Is this how we really want to protray our town and county?
I meant to say portray instead of protray.
I just saw on the news that what Hansen did is not considered child abandonment - are you going to do a news story on that? I'm failing to see how it is not child abandonment.
Also, this is for jaxspike, maybe people wouldn't be freaking out so much if she didn't endanger the adoptions of thousands of other people. If my husband and I didn't already have approval from immigration for our adoption, what this woman did could have, in theory, had an impact on our adoption. Really, for the law enforcement in this town to not really do anything is wrong - when she adopted that boy, he was for all intents and purposes, her child and her responsibility just like her biological son is her child and her responsibility.
Hmmm divorced parents put their children on airplanes everyday to send their children back and forth between parents. I know many divorced parents who live on opposite ends of the US who have been doing this for years. Child abuse/abandonment? I think not..
And quite honestly I really wish people would adopt from within the United States we have thousands of unwanted children right here that need homes..I understand the process is much quicker and cheaper going outside the states but isn't patience and expense all part of being a parent?
It sounds to me like this woman was trying to do a good thing by bringing this child into her home with her family. I am sure she did not go into this thinking she would keep him a while and then send him back. She is out money and time herself. There has to be some serious problems for her to have reacted this way.
This woman should have been told about this child's history and any mental problems he had BEFORE she adopted this child. Not only that the news media has made this into a media circus ... we do not know what this child was like nor do we know what his background was prior to coming to Tennessee heck we didn't even know he was here until she decided she could not handle the child. Would you have rather her move and left the child standing in the front yard?
And again I do not know this woman and wouldn't know her if I saw her on the street. I just know that people who go to the expense of adoption are not cold hearted people... there is some reasons behind this..
Do you actually know anything about the adoption process? Judging for your comment, I don't think you do.
My husband and I know an awful lot about it, since we've been trying to adopt for 6 years - I'm not going into detail about it, but I will say that it is not quicker and cheaper to go international. It really isn't.
Also, there is a HUGE difference between sending a child to visit a parent or relatives alone on a plane and sending a kid alone somewhere and hoping for the best. Regardless of what the kid may or may not have done once here was here in the US, there are many services available to adoptive parents that are put in place for this kind of thing. You don't just send the kid back because he's difficult. I think if you throughly research before adopting you would know all about what can go wrong - and where to turn when it happens.
We do not know all about our natural children before they arrive either but we choose to love them unconditionally . When you adopt a child from an orphanage in another country, common sense should tell you there is a good chance of the child being angry, confused and acting out. They have had their whole world turned upside down, they are separated from everything they know and thrown by little choice of their own into a strange world they have no control over, that they are more likely than not unprepared to understand or cope with.Home, school, community are all strange, there is nothing they know as secure there to hang on to, they must find trust and acceptance and must learn from scratch where they fit in and what is expected of them. It has not been mentioned if this young boy even spoke English, imagine if he didn't, he could not even be comforted by having things explained to them in words he understood. As adults it would be hard for us to go through and we would be able to understand what was going on, these kids are not old enough to comprehend much of what is happening. What was going on in this woman's mind to do such a cruel thing to a child. We are all only human and all make mistakes, but she needs to come forward ( not necessarily in public) and clear up the questions so as not to ruin the chances of other children finding good adoptive homes in this country. By doing so she may be able to help prevent this from happening again to other children. Something in the process was flawed, and needs to be faced before it can completely be understood and fixed. As for now all she is doing is feeding the media hounds imaginations. If it was horrible enough to abandon a child like she did, she should want to more than anything come forward and see it through. If she feels he was able to handle being shipped across the world, abandoned, unwanted, by himself, she should be able to stand behind her actions, and clear up the true reasons behind it. If she continues to hide her actions show nothing more than selfishness on her part, at the expense of the reputation of our country and a very young boy.
Once again you have assumed incorrectly.. I know enough about adoption in the US to know it takes years not months to obtain a child. Most international adoptions take 10-18 months compare that to the US.
Go here for info
http://faq.adoption.com/questions/how-lo...
http://library.adoption.com/articles/ado...
Yes you are correct in one thing though there is a huge difference in sending a child to parents or relatives and sending him alone somewhere... the difference is YOU have no idea who picked this child up he may very well have been a relative of the boy and he was being sent to a country he was completely familiar with. Keep in mind he was in the US about 6 months..
20/20 did a special a while back about adoptions in Russia
I finally found the link to it here if you would like to see what exactly happens:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=6322...
If it was horrible enough to abandon a child like she did, she should want to more than anything come forward and see it through. If she feels he was able to handle being shipped across the world, abandoned, unwanted, by himself, she should be able to stand behind her actions, and clear up the true reasons behind it. If she continues to hide her actions show nothing more than selfishness on her part, at the expense of the reputation of our country and a very young boy.
-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 12:17 AM
here's my problem with your statement: Why do you feel or the media feel she should have to explain her actions to you?
Where was the media when the child was brought to Tennessee from Russia?
She does not owe the media or us and explanation for anything.
Do I think she should have put him on a plane and sent him back? Probably wasn't the best idea but I can not judge her because if I felt the child was a danger to my family I may have done something similar. Of course we still don't know if she tried to send him back through the agency or not... of course they would never admit it and they had already gotten rid of a ward of the state who was evidently a problem child..
Cfrich . . . there are thousands of AMERICAN children who need homes and loving families. Maybe the adoption process you mentioned would not be in danger if people focused on taking care of children in their own backyard instead of going thousands of miles around the world to find a child then we wouldn't have issues like this arising.
I agree with Dianatn on this one . . . the only people who deserve any explanation from Hansen is the authorities that are involved in the investigation. I am not going to place judgment on her until I know all the facts and situation.
If it was horrible enough to abandon a child like she did, she should want to more than anything come forward and see it through. If she feels he was able to handle being shipped across the world, abandoned, unwanted, by himself, she should be able to stand behind her actions, and clear up the true reasons behind it. If she continues to hide her actions show nothing more than selfishness on her part, at the expense of the reputation of our country and a very young boy.
-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 12:17 AM
here's my problem with your statement: Why do you feel or the media feel she should have to explain her actions to you?
Dianatn.
Here is part of my post you seem to have missed have missed.I never said she needs to come out in public only that she needs to come forth and straighten this thing out to help prevent it from happening to others in the future. No she does not owe you or me anything, but she by all means owes that young boy a lot more than a one way ticket ticket by himself to be picked up by what most likely was a stranger. He has been through enough, she admits he has problems, and what she did was just down right cruelty. By adopting him she took on the responsibility of a young child's life, What if everyone who has a troubled child were to just ship them off with one way tickets? She has an opportunity to possibly help other families in the future by speaking out to those who can use the information, one would think if she cared enough to help in the first place she would not want harm to come to any one who attempts this in the future. The only clear things are that she adopted him and shipped him back alone. Until she does the right thing and talks to those who are involved the rest is all just words and accusations, what is she avoiding and trying hide? I'm not saying she is an evil person or even abusive but the silence really does not help her case. My heart and prayers go out to all involved. Another question, she is said to have another child, will this child live with the fear Mommy will ship him/her off too? I did not say or imply she would do so only that the child may fear the possibility since it happened before.They are not always able to understand the full scope of events. The sooner she ties up the loose ends the better for all involved.
Here is the part you missed,
" We are all only human and all make mistakes, but she needs to come forward ( not necessarily in public) and clear up the questions so as not to ruin the chances of other children finding good adoptive homes in this country. By doing so she may be able to help prevent this from happening again to other children."
Wonderwhy . . . what would you say if she had kept the child and he started a house fire which had killed the whole family? What she did was wrong but we have no clue what we might do if we are under durress or feel our family threatened. Let us be honest here, if she was being as "cruel" as you said then she could have just dumped the child off on the side of the road but evidently she took the time to find a way to fly him back to Russia and have someone pick him up to return him back to the people he came from. Evidently she had some compassion for the boy.
I just dont know . . . I dont see it as cruelty but more as an act of desperation and uncertainity. It is hard to tell at this point.
"We are all only human and all make mistakes, but she needs to come forward ( not necessarily in public) and clear up the questions so as not to ruin the chances of other children finding good adoptive homes in this country. By doing so she may be able to help prevent this from happening again to other children."
wonderwhy - I agree with this. I also agree that her other child might potentially be afraid this this could also happen to him.
"You don't just send the kid back because he's difficult". posted by cfrich
cfrich,
You really should be careful about speaking knowledge or experience on things in which you have no knowledge or experience. You are not a parent yet nor have you raised a child yet, adopted or otherwise. Get off your judgment high horse. I'm sure you would not want your statement to return to bite you in the butt. I was raised with an adopted sibling. There was not enough love in the world to change this child. Although the adoption took place as an infant from the time my sibling was 8 years old we were afraid in our own home. Prison has long since been my adopted siblings home. My family has slept well at night for many years now.
Um, this situation doesn't stop anyone from adopting children here in America or in any other country except Russia. Please don't over dramatize this . . . if someone wants a child then they have plenty of options. Don't sit here and make it look like some sad doomsday situation because it is not.
There are children here in the United States who need loving homes and I have always believed that it is better to adopt children in their own home country so they can assimilate better to their surroundings and the culture. When you drag a child from a different country then you are creating more problems and issue to the ones that already exist when raising a child. Why create more barriers than what is needed?
heres my 2 cents for what its worth.
1. i dont think anyone doubts that Mrs.Hansen was having a hard time and im sure this little boy must have gone thru a lot in his 7-8 yrs. There is no question that her intentions were good THE PROBLEM WAS HOW SHE DEALT WITH THE PROBLEM and we can see the ripple affect. i sympathize with the other parents who are waiting to adopt from Russia and are now on hold.
we all make mistakes but boy oh boy this one was big. 2. what is the problem with adopting outside the united states. when i shop i like to do it locally..but we are talking about children here not produce. a little black boy from africa or a little chinese girl has the same value as an american child plus many children from far away places will not survive past their 5th birthday.
not only are you adopting but you are saving a life. nobody should judge someone else for that!
CFRICH and WONDERWHY, you both make a lot of sense.
finaly i dont see how attending press conferences is of any concern to anyone but the person attending.