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Pat Marsh-RepubliCratPosted Thursday, September 10, 2009, at 11:33 PM
Even if Pat Marsh could answer for his voting record, what could he possibly say to answer for his contributions to help elect Democrat Jim Cooper into Congress? Evidence click here that recently has come to light proves Pat Marsh *contributed at the very least $500.00 to Democrat Jim Coopers campaign. P.S. I challenge Pat Marsh or anyone in this forum to prove that Pat Marsh's voting record for Democrats in the past is a byproduct of the lack of Republican opponents as Pat Marsh stated in this Times Gazette article. *The Original source for Pat Marsh's contributions to Jim Cooper can be found here. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
Originally from Rutherford County, Fernandez moved to Shelbyville to pastor "The Crossing" church and has lived here for two years.
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To be honest, I could care less who a person votes for as long as they vote for the person who will do the best job. Voting just solely based on party lines is what has gotten our country in the mess it is now. I think this argument is becoming a bit tired and needs to end in regards to his voting record . . . I would much rather vote for a candidate who votes based on his convictions and disregards political lines instead of following the usual political rhetoric.
I think this is VERY interesting. I have no issue with how he votes, as I try to vote for the best person in my opinion, but this is good information to know.
Do you think this paper will give that other guy, Chris Brown?, any press time or coverage?
Or will a third party candidate continue to be ignored?
This is about the weakest argument against someone that I've ever heard.
Kelly, do you allow Democrats in your church?
Um, maybe he's like me. I vote for what I think is right, not for the party. I am a democrat but vote republican if I think that person is the right person for the job. The old "vote by the party lines" idea is outdated at best. It's time to vote by what you feel. Pat Marsh is a good man. I've seen many humanitarian acts he is responsible for and you will never hear him running around telling people about it to boost his popularity. That says a lot about a man. Say what you want, he's a good, decent man and your words may hurt his chances for election, but not his heart for doing what's right.
Pat Marsh told the Times Gazette,
Bedford County only has a Democratic primary for local offices, meaning that anyone who wants to have a say in those offices must vote in the Democratic primary. If there is no Republican primary, the winner of the Democratic primary must still run in the general election, either unopposed or against any independent candidates.
This statement was made as a defense for his Democratic voting record. The problem is there are times when he voted democrat when there was a republican candidate. So the point of the blog is that Pat Marsh's statement to the Times Gazette was not true.
I don't have a problem with you if you want to vote for the man instead of a party. On the local level especially. But I do believe that we should give an honest account for our past actions. Still waiting for someone to explain why Pat Marsh said he voted Democrat because there were no other options. The statement is not true. So it's not about Democrats or Republicans it's about character and false statements. I do think these issues count for something.
If Pat Marsh can give an account to prove that his statement to the Times Gazette is true, then by all means do so and silence this issue or at least give an account for why he voted against certain Republicans instead of for them. And if party affiliation means nothing to you or Mr Marsh, then maybe he should consider running as an Independent.
Why don't you ask HIM?
Um, maybe he's like me. I vote for what I think is right, not for the party. I am a democrat but vote republican if I think that person is the right person for the job
agree!
I do not always agree with my party either, all elected officals that always vote the party and do not listen to those he/she represents are not worth their salt!
We have many now that get in office and vote the way they want too ~ or vote because they owe a favor to someone.
Voting your party is not always the best ticket..
and for the record I am a registered voting republican~ who at times have crossed party lines..but lately I think it is time for a new line to be drawn as I am and have been let down and disappointed in both sides !!!
I think tea is sounding sweet!
A brief look at the records which Mr. Fernandez cites in support of his assertions in this blog shows that, in 2002, Mr. Marsh gave $500 to a Republican candidate for Congress in the 4th District, Janice Bowling of Tullahoma, at the same time he gave to a Democratic one in the 5th District, Jim Cooper of Nashville, formerly of Shelbyville. Do we therefore conclude that Americans are hypocrites undeserving of holding public office if they are not completely consistent in giving to candidates of just one political party? Such a conclusion contradicts the traditions of excellence, independence and free thinking in politics which has served our nation well so far for 233 years, but which would imperil our future if we ever adopt the narrow-minded perspective which Mr. Fernandez seems to advocate in this blog. Blind adherence to any one political party shuts one's eyes to common sense as each party goes overboard with its ideology eventually. These remarks are only intended to show the disservice which I think this blog does to our American political traditions, still the most free in the world.
Dear zzoop the focus is not Republicans and Democrats, the focus is whether or not Pat Marsh's comments were true or not. Also I have to agree with Times Gazette's new editor in his recent blog, http://www.t-g.com/blogs/flanagan/entry/... that people ought to use their real names. I use mine. I've got nothing to hide!
I disagree with using your real name. That has already been beaten with a stick, Mr. Flanagan has already agreed that real names shouldn't have to be used.
"he (Pat Marsh) has a record of voting as a Democrat in 10 of his last 12 primary votes"
I am thankful that we have this public information to go on. That number is MORE than majority, folks! And yes, I understand crossing party lines - I myself have done so in times past. BUT 10 out of 12??? - I would have to question his motive for running on the republican ticket. I am sure he is a great and wonderful man, and I am not trying to tear him down. If I am voting for a republican for office I want to know that he is a republican. If I am voting for a democrat I want to know that he is a democrat. All we have to go on is their past voting record ...
"Also I have to agree with Times Gazette's new editor in his recent blog, http://www.t-g.com/blogs/flanagan/entry/... that people ought to use their real names. I use mine. I've got nothing to hide!"
-- Posted by kfernandez on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 11:44 PM
I initially had a username, then switched to my real name. If you are impassioned enough in your beliefs you should not be afraid to stand up for them. However, I understand why one might want to remain undiscovered. Most you may have already observed that I am very blunt in my blogs and very impassioned about my convictions (but I never, ever try to tell someone my way is the only way, or even the right way...who am I to judge or rule on what is right or wrong?). My blogs are based on MY opinions, not someone else's.
I do often wonder, however, if my words will be too harsh and upset someone to the point of wanting to take action against me. So I can understand why one might want to remain anonymous. I choose to take a stand and fight--unveiled--for what I believe in [so to speak] but not everyone is that brave...or more accurately, that stupid.
Even so, I do think one of the reasons these blogs get so out of hand and sometimes even "down-right nasty" is because of the anonymity. Many people choose to use a malicious tongue in blogs knowing that their mask will keep them safe from exposure. I find that cowardly. One should never "cross the line" and attack someone soley because you know they can't "pick you out of a line-up," because someday they just might...
As for the topic at hand, I won't cast stones at Pat Marsh. I'm a registered Democrat who voted for McCain/Palin. Of course, if you read my blogs you'll find I have now converted over to "the Dark Side."
It does concern me, however, that Marsh voted in the Democratic 2008 Presidential Preference Primary rather than the Republican Primary. He missed the chance to choose among Republican candidates for president...heck, he may have even voted for Hillary.
Although I find the fact that his questioned response was, "Personally, honestly, I can't remember what I did in February 2008," even more alarming. I mean, if he can't remember that one vote, then what will it be like if/when he becomes the 62nd District's representative? It's my understanding that he'd be casting dozens of votes every week at all different levels of the legislative process. How's he going to keep track of them all?
....Of course, that's just my take on it.
I know what I did I VOTED BROWN . Lets hit the parking lot.
As I told a campainger for Ty Cobb Saturday, nothing against him personally, but it is truly time for a change this year. For the 1st time in my life, I am voting as an independent. I have tried to talk to both sides on numerous issues at national level (including you Mr. Alexander), and it is my honest opinion that politics and truth do not peacefully coexist. I sincerely hope that a number of you incumbents have some chickens come home to roost.
Kelly, some people just don't get it, this isn't about being a republican or democrat, it's about the deceit to get elected where he thinks he can win. I'm guessing the blog supporters for him are some of the people that don't want change. Skeletons in closets come out when put in the spotlight, remember that Mr. Marsh. Go get em' Chris Brown.
Too many sour grapes from a "pastor". No wonder we can't get people in church.
OK "CD", you probably don't think pastors should have opinions. But in the Bible Samuel had opinions and counsel about the direction Saul was taking the country. King David ruled according to his beliefs and all good priest of all good kings counseled according to their faith.
My political views are a reflection of my spiritual beliefs and I believe that to be so with everyone whether they want to admit it or not. The government may attempt to separate church and state but at the core I don't believe it's even possible.
Sour Grapes? Come on, are you sure you just don't like what I said?
Sounds like CD is an atheist, the truth must not be what he wants to hear. Tell CD a lie Kelly so he'll be happy about his candidate. Like, he votes conservatively and his voting record is made up, he really didn't vote that way. And that there were no conservatives on the ballots when he voted democratically in all 10 primaries. This is what CD wants to hear, otherwise the truth hurts his feelings. CD, you should change your user name to DA it's more fitting.
three comments.
1) i couldnt swear to it, since i havent considered it important enough to keep track, but i believe i have only voted in the democratic primary since i have lived here (30+ years). it is generally the only way to cast a meaningful vote for local offices (do local and nat'l democratic parties share anything but a name?)
2) a candidate's party loyalty is not important to me anyway. we already have far too many candidates/officeholders who put party ahead of country.
3) kf is a mature adult, who can make his own decisions about what is appropriate; but i do not want the government telling me what church to attend, and i do not want my preacher telling me who to vote for.
Some people will just never understand, or they are trying to mislead the general public to sway public opinion in favor of a certain candidate. Nobody tells anybody who to vote for, but I for one want to know the truth about all the candidates that I vote for. If I don't have all the facts then the news outlets have not done their job.
Lazarus - I agree wholeheartedly with your three points. I know of quite a few "Republicans" that vote Democrat locally, Republican nationally since it seems as though the local Democrats (at least in general) seem to be more conservative than even the Republicans in Congress are. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are based locally and their constituents see them every day (or in a certain state Senator's, every time there's a parade or gathering of more than 10 people). Not that there's anything wrong at all with that.
I also believe that the government shouldn't tell you how to practice your faith (or lack thereof) and that your pastor should not try to sway your vote in any way except for preaching the moral code of whatever church you attend. It should be up to each of us to determine which candidate best fits our own agenda and belief system.
In the last election I voted for Bob Barr for President. I would have voted for the Constitution Party candidate had Chuck Baldwin not been a minister. There is nothing wrong with a man of faith running for office, but for someone whose vocation is spreading their faith I don't believe they would be able to do both...separately. Additionally, if you've been called to serve your faith in that manner then, by definition, you have a higher calling than a politician.
This song and dance is getting so very old! if you feel the need to critize anyones "voting record" then please blog about all the thousands with a mouthful to say and have NEVER voted. I personally have set several friends that want to gripe and nag every little thing about our local politicians but have never one time voted on anything at all. This crap you have in here about Marsh is just that CRAP. He has proven time and time again that he cares enough about this community to vote on the issue at hand and not care about "crossing party lines" i for one think thats the mark of a great leader. To have the ability to adjust to the circumstances given.
We have hand delivered letters to ask Pat Marsh and Ty Cobb for a debate. We know that they are probably really fine men, but they are already having to answer to their parties before they do anything. This is not about the parties, this is about the men running for this office. We want to give the people a chance to meet each one of us and have a chance to ask sensible questions and address each of us with their concerns. It's time the people know who they are voting for and not just the party they are voting for. It's time for the people to take back their rights and have a say. If anyone would like to contact me, Chris Brown, you can do so through www.votechrisbrown.info and I will answer what I can to ease your minds about what we need to do and what we stand for. I think it's sad when two grown men can't answer yes or no to District 62, without going through the Republican and Democrat Parties, so to me that lets me know that if I was voting for these two they would not be representing the people, they would be representing their parties, because their parties are already pulling the strings. So, when they get to Nashville, are they going to be doing the same SOS or working for the people of District 62? By not being allowed to answer a simple yes or no question, to me it sounds like it will be the same SOS. I would say that this shows that the Party does count and the way they voted counts. It's time to take back what is ours. If you'd like to know more about the party I'm with, you can look them up on my website.
No matter what side of the issue you happen to be on, the point is to get out and vote! Express your opinion in the voting booth. Voter apathy is exactly the reason we have reached this point of discourse with our elected officials. The average person in this country can't name who their congressional representatives are, yet can tell you who occupies the top ten positions in their favorite sport or stupid "reality" show. Turn your TV off and put down your remote long enough to exercise your rights as a free American. Research the candidates and start voting for those with character instead of charisma. Our politicians are NOT listening to the people and we can change that attitude on election day. As long as we the people are apathetic and uncaring, our freedeoms will continue to erode until they are eventually washed away.
Very well put Tattoos & Scars!