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RNC sucks up to a third party candidate!
Posted Saturday, October 31, 2009, at 2:44 PM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link
Today the National Republican Party really showed it's true colors. Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava dropped out of the New York congressional race after realizing that she wasn't doing well in the polls. Go figure! She ran as a Republican and yet supported gay rights and abortion rights. This race began to get interesting when Independent Doug Hoffman was endorsed by several Republican big dogs including Sarah Palin and Fred Thompson. Many political analyst began to bill the election as the perfect storm in respect to a third party rising from the controversy. This now becomes a two way race between Independent Hoffman and Democrat Owens, and the polls show them neck and neck. It is interesting to note that Michael Steele the Republicans National Committee Chairman said "Effective immediately, the RNC will endorse and support the conservative candidate in the race, Doug Hoffman. Doug's campaign will receive the financial backing of the RNC, and get-out-the-vote efforts to defeat Bill Owens on Tuesday." Talk about eating crow, and Newt Gingrich is getting a wing or two cause he was a strong Scozzafava supporter! As for the Republicans, this puts an exclamation point on the drift of the RNC supporting whoever and whatever it takes to stay in office. I can't wait to see how this story unfolds. Last week Hoffman told The Associated Press "I'm fighting for the heart and soul of the Republican Party" and "a lot of people feel like it's time for the Republican Party to go back to its base", so will he now receive the support of the RNC or do his newly found supporter such as Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty have a different plan in mind. A Third party 2012?. The next two days should prove to be interesting. On a side note, RNC Chairman Mr. Steele and former House speaker Newt Gingrich had argued that local parties should be permitted to pick candidates that most closely mirror the sentiments of the district, even if those candidates vary from Republican orthodoxy on some issues. That is an interesting view considering the polls showed Dem. Owens 36%, Ind. Hoffman 35% and Rep. Scozzafava 20%. I think Mr. Steele and Mr. Gingrich are going to need a new argument. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
Originally from Rutherford County, Fernandez moved to Shelbyville to pastor "The Crossing" church and has lived here for two years.
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Outstanding!!!
For far too long the Republicans have been trying to out-liberal the Democrats-and have lost votes every step of the way.
The last time they ran a truly conservative candidate (Reagan), he carried 49 states.
The RNC needs to stop getting its strategic advice from liberal media outlets.
amen!!!!!
I think you are seeing a Republican populist movement going on here. The country club Republicans will probably bow out.
quietmike said
"The last time they ran a truly conservative candidate (Reagan), he carried 49 states."
That's great because Independent Doug Hoffman calls himself a Ronald Reagan Republican.
Mike you nailed it.
Oh My Word ... the Republicans are backing a Third Party Candidate??? Isn't that an oxy-moron???
She ran as a Republican and yet supported gay rights and abortion rights?
If she believes in those views then so be it . . . that is her perogative and I dont think being Republuican or Democrats means you have to believe in only one thing or idea.
I was just wondering, are you a preacher or a politician? I've not noticed you spreading His Word in any of your writing. What do you hold most dear, God or politics, because by reading your blogs I would have to say it's the latter...it's sad, really.
Dear nee_nee2abby
I'm a pastor, preacher, youth minister between two churches. Anyone who knows me, knows what's most dear to me (no insecurity or need to defend myself)and I'm sure my life long friends have been very surprised to hear me speak out about politics. But just like Jeremiah, I don't want to see this country taken into captivity(on it's own soil). We have reached a very dangerous place concerning the future of our country and if we don't step up and fight we will lose every right we have, including "freedom of religion". It's all tied together. If my blogs make you sad there's a simple solution, but if you don't like my view and my opinions then by all means please post your opposing arguments and maybe I can learn from you. This world doesn't need another anonymous kelly hater or maybe you have been one all along and now you found me on the Times Gazette.
Amen!!!
I'm not a hater, and it's insulting to imply otherwise since I did not write anything "hateful" in my comment but simply posed the question of why don't you use your sources online to spread His word as well? In reading some of your blogs and comments, it seems like you may be the hater [of Democrats and certain politicians]. Not many are so fortunate as to be able to spread His Word to the multitudes through newspaper blogging and I just wondered why--as a pastor--you don't. I will admit that I don't believe religion and politics mix, but that is just my personal view--nothing to hate me over. I am probably wrong by thinking that way, but I don't think Jesus was much for politics/politicians either.
And FYI, if I am any type of hater at all it would be targeted at Obama, but that would not be the Christian thing to do. I am a Christian first, Republican second. I apologize if I have offended you, it really was not my intent. You can think what you like, but I have been a registered t-g member since May of 2008 and I am a long-time resident of Bedford county who usually reads people's blogs without voicing my opinion, but God has been speaking to me about that this matter and it has been weighing heavily on my heart so I have said my peace and will leave it at that, and I hope you won't choose to throw stones at me over it like others on here might. GOD BLESS YOU.
OK, so your not a hater. But I thought you made three really clear points. You said:
1)I've not noticed you spreading His Word in any of your writing.
2) What do you hold most dear, God or politics, because by reading your blogs I would have to say it's the latter...
3)...it's sad, really.(referring to the way I am blogging about anything things other than God)
So you accuse me of not spreading the gospel, of loving politics more than God and say that I am a "sad" case.
Did I misinterpret the spirit of your comment???
Please forget I said anything. You're right, I'm wrong. I just fear the current state of the world, where too often people are "embarrassed" to spread the Word (that obviously doesn't apply in your case). If only people where as impassioned by God as they are politics, money, and/or sex. I guess I just expected something more in blogs written by a pastor. I apologize.
BTW, I did NOT say that you were a sad case. I was referring to the fact that you weren't using your online "connection" to spread His Word as sad--not you personally. Don't twist words, that's a negative tool.
And I made an honest statement when I said I have not noticed you spreading God's word in your blogs. How is that hate if it is simply a statement of fact based upon my observations? But you are right about question #2, I should have phrased that differently because I did not mean for it to sound so harsh. My apologies for that. I don't know you personally, which is why I asked. And it is obvious in your initial response that you do a great deal within your community to spread the Word. I just hope you keep political views out of the church--the house of God is no place for it.
I give thanks to God for all He has given me and only wish more people were exposed to His Word. It is why I was saddened a bit to find that you as a pastor have not written one single blog about His divine grace, love, or gospel. You didn't even slip in a single sentence in your Homeschool blog, where you could have worked it into the topic, as I assume God played some part in your decision to homeschool your children? But again, I am not stating that you are "sad."
I've apologized several times and turned the other cheek. I hope that is enough. God Bless You.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:16 (KJV)
......Pass it on, the end is nigh
nee_nee2abby
I didn't take anything you ask or stated as being ugly, simply a statement and question! I have also wondered the same myself as I don't believe religion and politics mix either.
Kelly, I was very displeased to see the Chris Brown signs that were placed on the Crossing Church lawn. No offense to Mr. Brown but your whole congregation may have not been Brown supporters. That in itself for me would be reason enough for me that I would not visit your church, no matter who you supported.
But, that's just my feeling on the matter!
Disgusted
Even though Chris is now a friend of mine and he attends the Crossing church and I helped him with his run, I told him just like I do any other non- church event that is being advertised, to place any signs near the sidewalk. What I have been told is that in candidate advertising the signs must be between the sidewalk and the utility poles which is part of the city right-away. No one was upset with the Hey Diddle Diddle clothing sale signs for the last three years and whatever else has been out there. Sorry to hear you won't be visiting the church.
I walked out a church a few years ago, because they (congregation members, with the ministers support) placed fliers on automobile windshields, recommending how one should vote. These were Right to Life fliers. The recommended list were all Republicans, with the exception of one lone Democrat. The Democrat was a personal friend of mine, and a lay minister (he has now passed away). He lost, and received no help from the Right to Life Groups. Churches and their congregations can address issues; but should stay above the fray on partisian political candidates.
So Grit, how many Democrats in the race were pro-life? If, as you have indicated, there was only one, they listed the only Democrat that was in line with their beliefs. How is that partisan?
Support of any political candidate over another is partisan. Working with elected officials on policy, no matter the party is not partisan. I did not live in his district. The fliers were never passed out there.
"The recommended list were all Republicans, with the exception of one lone Democrat."
"Working with elected officials on policy, no matter the party is not partisan."
Maybe I'm missing some essential details, but what I gather from the two quotes above is that both parties were included in support of a policy. Its only partisan by definition if you're referring to the issue being partisan.
Grit
Are you saying that they included the Democrat on the list of candidates that did support Right to Life along with the Republican ones? That was a good thing right? or did I misunderstand your point? I think I missed something.
Devan. The issue was not partisan, the candidates were. The candidates were for statewide and local congressonal races (not in Tennessee). Kelly, there are two points. First, I believe that partisan politics should be left at the church door. Politics is a polarizing endeavour, why would any church, or church members consider polarizing part of their congregation? On that Sunday, that one flier convinced me that Democrats should not attend this church. Secondly, what were the real objectives of the Right to Life group, was it to stop abortion, or was it to elect Republican candidates? In my mind, it was the latter, simply beacuse there was no effort with this group to campaign for the lone Democrat. In that specific race, it was contested, it was a state representative seat (not in Tennessee), and he lost by about 130 votes out of over 5000 cast. Fliers placed on windshields on the Sunday before the election, would have put him in the win column.
I think religion and politics mix very well, to a certain point. Without people of the different religions, and the denominations within those religions, wielding their political power by helping to shape the environment they live in, there would only be one religion, or more likely, no religion.
I understand the complaints, but unless the campaigning is so aggressive as to be intimidating, a person who represents organized religion must necessarily have political objectives to match their theological ideology in my opinion. We no longer live within a society that dictates church attendance, nor do I believe any local preacher has successfully used the pulpit to manipulate their unwitting congregation into voting against their conscious. Without the politically minded people of faith throughout history, I imagine there would be no faith today, particularly Christian.
memyselfi said
"a person who represents organized religion must necessarily have political objectives to match their theological ideology in my opinion."
I don't think you could say it much better than that. I think what happens when pastors voice opinions about politics it becomes offensive because it comes off as sounding like IF YOU LOVED GOD CORRECTLY YOU WOULD VOTE FOR THIS OR THAT. This probably stems from the fact that even those who are in the same denomination or maybe even the same church are at different places in their walk and therefore have completely different views of the world not to mention many may be unbelievers or different religions. Well said memyselfi!
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