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Torry Hansen and Artyom doomed from the start?

Posted Wednesday, April 14, 2010, at 5:18 PM

With all the furor around Torry Hansen's decision to send Artyom Savelyev back to Russia, I have been in a lot of thought and prayer for her and the child.

We have no idea, at this time what Artyom has gone through, before he came to America and after he was here.

I have heard reports that he did not attend school while he was here in Bedford County,nor did the neighbors living near see him much.

From this young child's point of view he was taken from a group home in Russia, and placed with strangers in a strange land with odd accents.

It had to have been frightening for him. Torry, says in her note that was packed with Artyom, that he had severe psychological problems. Did Artyom ever see a child psychologist?

I know having a child with special needs is challenging to a parents' sanity, but a outside source of councilor works wonders.

My son, who has Asperger's Syndrome, almost drove me out of my mind before we could find out what was going on with him. It took a team of people, councilors, psychiatrists, pediatricians, and some very good concerned teachers.

He was just not a brat or a problem, something else was going on. Something he could not control.

Did Artyom have something else going on? We may never know.

It is easy for us to point the finger at Ms. Hansen, but she may have been to the end of her rope.

These are the questions I have if I could talk to her:

Were you in contact with the agency that placed Artyom in your care?

Did they know he was having psychological problems?

Who did you take Artyom to here in Bedford county for his medical care, schooling and playtime?

Did Artyom have any outside friends?

Why did you send such a young child packing, when the agency did not know something was wrong.

Do you feel you have done the right thing?

I have really been praying for this young child and Ms. Hansen. She has a lot to answer for right or wrong, and it will not be pretty I think.

By her being absent for so long, it does not look good for her, especially since the animal control is looking after her abandoned animals at home.

Running away is not going to make this go away, Torry please come forward and tell us what is going on.

Mean while I am praying for you and for little Artyom that you both find what you are searching for.


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Just my opinion, but one would think Ms. Hansen, being a nurse, would have access to programs, specialists, or whatever means, to get help for this child, if she truly cared about him and wanted to give him the love that a child of any nature or background needs and deserves. There was a special on "Night Line" that addressed this. It told of a couple that adopted 2 children from Russia that had severe anger and emotional issues. They were sent to a special camp (I forget where it was located) and within 3 months there was a world of difference in their behavior and emotions. And, one question I have, "If she had all that money to make the trips to Russia and the funds to adopt, why couldn't she return him herself and explain the situation to authorities in person?" She definitely went about it the wrong way, and not just for the child but for international issues, as well. This child deserved better; he is a human being - not a "let's see if it fits; I can always return it" item.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 4:14 PM

For the record Dianatn i never said that she was cold hearted or uncaring. you must be mixing me up with other peoples post but i do happen to agree.

i do agree with you when you said you feel she was desperate.

when you give birth to your own kids or adopt.....you just dont know what you are going get.its a risk.

Maybe she hasnt broken any laws( yet to be determined) but what she did was immoral.

EXAMPLE if you sleep with your sisters husband...no broken laws but not very ethical.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 12:26 PM

I wonder why some seem not to have any concern for the horrible actions this woman took with the life of her adoptive child................. Even if he was emotionally ill, especially if he were, the actions are cruel, he did not want his past or problems, and she knowingly compounded them. There is a lot hidden here, for some odd reason she made sure to get him as far from here as she could. Fear is a believable excuse, but fear of his actions is rather far fetched. What is she so determined to keep hidden? by her drastic behavior I would tend to think he had more to fear than she did. I wonder what she told him she was doing as she shoved him out the door? I can not imagine it was warm or loving. She showed less concern for him than most people show dogs from a dog pound.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 12:10 PM

You see ann, that's the thing I may not have thought it was the best of ideas but I don't think it made her cold hearted nor uncaring. dianatn

So Diane then are you saying it was out of concern, love and caring that this woman did this to the boy? DO you think she was doing him a good service by her actions? Do you say she had his safety and best intrest in mind when she placed him on a plane to be shipped off across the world to a complete stranger? Can you in all honesty say that you are defending her actions? If so that is a sad example to set for the safe treatment of troubled adoptive children. Her actions were irresponsible at best, and simple disgraceful. If she had wanted to find a "solution" and had his welfare in even slightly in mind she would not have shipped him to no mans land, but rather would have sent him back to the orphanage he came from. Or dropped him off on the steps of a church. She made sure he would not be returned to her.

-- Posted by KaiteJones on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 11:51 AM

IF Artem had RAD it is very possible that it did not show at the orphanage or at Torry Hansen's first post placement study. At the orphanage there is not much opportunity to bond with adults and rely on one individual adult. There are many children and relatively little adult supervision. After 6-12 months when the bonding should have begun to start taking place the problems could have begun at that point. The developmental delays would probably have been known to some extent although Russian children do not begin school until age 7. A lot of the children from orphanages don't begin school until age 8. Again there is not a lot of adult contact and also the typical Russian adoptee does have some developmental problems. It seems like from the videos of the boy you can see some neurological "soft signs". It is also interesting that the driver noted that he missed his Grandma Nancy. I was wondering if that was going on at the house. Was Torry trying to bond with him and did he reject her by seeming to bond to Nancy instead?

Although I imagine this should not have been handled in this way, I really think that it is more likely that the child had severe emotional and psychological problems rather than a situation that Torry Hansen would only tolerate a child with a 100+ IQ , who bonded to her immediately, and was obedient or that she just got tired of being a parent or it cramped her life style or wanted to get back at the Russians. You do not spend $50,000+ and do tons of paperwork for an adoption, use up your vacation time, fly to Siberia 2 or 3 times, etc.. just on a whim. I really think that the boy had some severe problems and that she and her mother were scared and stressed beyond their capacities. I have been there myself and so have others I know. You can be terrified of a 7 year old and no one believes you. I my situation it was only temporary and it was not RAD. You do not know until you have been there.

-- Posted by buffalogal on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:56 PM

You see ann, that's the thing I may not have thought it was the best of ideas but I don't think it made her cold hearted nor uncaring. I think it made her desperate. that's the difference in the way you see it and the way I see it. I think I also went on to say had I been in her shoes I may have done something similar.

The news media grabbed it, they tried to make a big deal from it and thought they were going to get some big story from it but you see they got nothing.. she broke no law she was not required to explain her actions.. so poof, No more news crews.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:55 PM

well diana the only fact i ever stated was that she put the kid on a plane.

tell me where i state any other fact. i got the info about the alcoholic mother and orphanage from your post.

why is it my business that she put the kid on a plane? REALLY if you dont get it i cannot explain that to you. why is everybody talking about it? national news, international news, Russian halting adoptions.

they are taling about it and halting adoptions because you DONT DO SUCH THINGS. IM SURE I CAN FIND A STETEMENT YOU MADE ON MARY BLOGS( I THNIK THATS HER NAME) where you said you did not think putting the kid on a plane was such a great idea.

When i say putting a kid on the plane i thought i was clear that she put the kid on the plane alone without knowing what his fate would be. Who would pick him up, where he would be taken, etc etc.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:46 PM

It seems to me you are being allowed to make all sorts of statements none of which are fact except she put the child on a plane.. and I am still at at loss as to how that makes it your business. Maybe you should go to the airport and watch while thousands of parents send their children alone on planes everyday.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:21 PM

1. to begin, you dont need a degree in child psychology to figure out that a child that has been living with an alcoholic mother and in an orphanage is going to have some major attachement and behaviour problems. (no lies there from the orphanage)

2. who cares about when she took the child home. why should we know this? how is that news.

3.im NOT THE ONE WHO ADOPTED THE BOY she is and they have consequences. How people raise their own kids in their own home is not my business but PUTTING A KID ON A FRIGGING PLANE BY HIMSELF IS!

everything that happenned before putting that kid on a plane is irrelevant.

my point is that ITS NOT ABOUT MRS.HANSEN AND HOW SHE WAS FEELING BUT THE LITTLE BOY AND HOW HE WAS FEELING.

last comment dianatn, i know you dont know this woman and would not recognize her if you saw her on the street(cause you keep telling us) and you keep telling us we dont know what went on but you make statements like you do. Why is it that you can make those statements and yet you dont allow anyone else to make them.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 10:07 PM

Replace Where with Were...I need an edit button :)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 8:50 PM

here is my entire problem with this situation Do you not think for one minute that the Russian orphanage knew exactly what they were giving this woman? Of course they did!!! This child lived with his abusive alcoholic mother until he was 5 years old which meant he lived within the Russian's child care system for less than 2 years Don't you wonder why out of all the children they could have tried to place with Ms Hansen why did they pick a child that has only been in the system such a short time when they have thousands of children that have been waiting for placement for their entire lives.

Don't you think that they believe "Stupid Americans will take him, he is a problem to us lets get rid of him now?"

She should have been told up front about his problems and it is evident that she was not...why you say? Because they knew she would not take him knowing his medical history.

But Yes I feel sorry for the child but that does not mean I would take a child with emotional issues that is already 7 years old. It is a much different ballgame when your own child has emotional issues you are caring for the child from birth..yet I know many many children right here in America that are in state homes because of some of these same issues their parents could not deal with them nor control them...yet you feel this woman should have to deal with it from a child she only knew for 6 months...

As far as it being all our business? Was it our business when she brought the child to Shelbyville? Did we even know he was here? Where we the one who was afraid to sleep at night? Where we the one who had to lock our bedroom door out of fear? Where we the one who feared that this child would harm our other child? No that was none of our business was it? And neither is her sending him back where he belonged.. I am sure Ms Hansen would have been more than happy to have handed this child over to you to care for, you should have spoke up.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM

Actually Dianatn I am more concerned about a young child being put on a plane with a couple toys and a letter, sent around the world to the care of a stranger. The church could have led her some where for help, are you saying that a church is not a good place to seek help when your in a troubling situation? It is all of our business when something like this happens, it is not something to shove under a rug because the MOM may have had a problem with the situation. WHen she CHOSE to adopt she CHOSE to put that childs welfare BEFORE hers. No she did not have to keep the child but by God she OWED it to him ( he was 7 or 8) to see he was taken care of not SHIP HIM OFF like unwanted baggage. Your views don;t seem any more caring than hers.

-- Posted by KaiteJones on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 7:05 PM

Well its as much my business as it is yours.(diantn)

We all have a right to our opinion.

FACT: she sent the little boy halfway across the world on a plane by himself. you cannot argue with that.

i have to idea what her intentions were when she adopted this boy...im sure they were good. actually i will go so far to say that they were.

FACT: she no longer wanted this boy.

you are right when you say i (we) have no idea what this woman went through. I HAVE NO IDEA. im only passing my comments on the facts and in my opinion it it NOT something you do to a child.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM

What makes you think she didn't try to send him back to where he came from? Do you have information that no one else seems to have? Surely you are not taking the Russian agency's word?

Maybe just maybe she has exhausted all her options with this child..

And just where on the internet would somebody find a person to pick up a child and take him to Russian Officals? And ask yourself why would such a service ever be offered in the first place...does this happen often enough for someone to make a living picking up unwanted children.

So are you saying she should have put the child on the church's doorstep?

Just because you live next door to a church does not mean the church is willing to take in a child from Russia. Isn't that like saying I live next door to a auto shop they should fix my car for free?

There is more to this than the eye can see and the facts are no where in your post.

As I said before I do not know this woman nor the child and if I have ever seen them I don't know it.. but when people speak of her being cold hearted and wanting to get rid of the child they are being stupid. Why would this woman take in this child and spend her money to do so if she is so cold hearted?

Bottom Line: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS WOMAN WENT THROUGH YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MEASURES SHE TOOK TO GET HELP YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF SHE TRIED TO SEND HIM BACK THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND QUITE FRANKLY IT IS REALLY NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 1:46 PM

KaiteJones,

i agree with you 100% especially the sentence

SHE DID NOT WANT HELP SHE WANTED TO GET RID OF THE CHILD.

i think the facts in this case speak for themselves.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:12 AM

The woman lived next to a church, you can not convince me she had no where to turn for help. SHE DID NOT WANT HELP SHE WANTED TO GET RID OF THE CHILD. Her concern was not with the child or she would have at the very least sent him back to the place she got him, with people he knew, not hundreds of miles away to some stranger she found in the want ads on the internet. SHE WAS COLD CALCULATING AND SELF CENTERED. THERE WERE OPTIONS HAD SHE CONSIDERED THE CHILD.

-- Posted by KaiteJones on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM

OH jAXSPIKE you hurt my feelings.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:22 AM

As the adoptive mom of two Eastern European children with challenges, I'm really faulting the adoption agency, here in the US.

You go in to an International adoption realizing that family history and medical background is not going to exist, or may be wrong. Their doctors and nurses use terminology that is not used in the US, and there are problems of extreme malnutrition that we cannot even imagine in this country.

For the first year following our adoptions, we had frequent contact by phone, email, and in person from our adoption agency and home study agency. We had to provide photos of the children and written status, educational and medical reports every 3 months. The children had to be seen by a doctor every 3 months.

But I suspect, based ONLY on my own experiences, that the Hansen family was not being followed up on.

And, I know that Adoption laws are different in different states, and procedures are different depending upon the Agency.

What isn't fair is that people who are waiting for their children to be placed in their homes have now had their dreams put on hold due to this irresponsible woman.

My kids both have RAD. There are resources available to deal with that. FAS should be expected from any country, even the US. Children born to drug abusing mothers in America are not immune to problems either. These are not lightweight problems, but they can be worked on with professional help.

No one at the orphanage lied to her. She had to go to the orphanage to meet Artyom in person. Kids with RAD and FAS are often very engaging with strangers; they actually have no sense of "stranger danger." And kids from orphanages often retaliate against women, simply because they have been exposed to the "caregiver of the day" at the orphanage, and they don't KNOW that you are Mom and going to be there.

As another person posted - when you adopt, either domestically or internationally, you are prepared by the Agency with classes, resources, phone numbers - you have at least one social worker to call on.

There is absolutely no excuse for putting the boy on a plane alone with only a backpack of toys. Adoptions can be disrupted. Catholic Charities and other social services in the US will help. If there is clearly a danger - there is the local police, sheriff or family services. Hospitals have behavioral psychology units for children and adolescents.

-- Posted by whaddyawantfromme on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:59 AM

Dianatn . . . it is easier for people to ignore the problems in their own backyard because then they would have to actually admit that we do have problems here in the United States.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:23 AM

cherokee2 . . . I am not agitated at all with annmontreal because I try not to worry too much with immature people like that. Evidently the person can not have an intelligent discussion so they resort to childish behavior.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:08 AM

I am not sure where you are getting your numbers on orphans but There are 2,800,000 orphans (aged 0-17) in the United States due to all causes. When counting orphans in the USA you must count children in foster care.. orphanages are far and few between in the USA. Most children these days go straight from Foster Homes into their adpoted family home. Though many children circle through many many foster homes before finding adoptive parents here in the US. Even the lucky children who find adoptive parents have probably been in some very poor Foster care homes. Many of these children are no more than slaves and a state check to the foster parents . It is very sad that these children are pushed around like a piece of trash and nobody seems to care.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:03 AM

Why not adopt from America- good question. Maybe those that feel so strongly about this issue to adopt only US children should consider maybe that is your calling. if it was clear to us to adopt from US then we would. In Ukraine, Russia- Human trafficking of these children thrown out of the orphanages in the streets is epidemic. Imagine your 16 year on the streets of Nashville prey for any pervert or rapist. Being an orphan is bad anywhere but at least in the US they do have a chance for a future, a place to live, paid college, etc. We have about 100,000 orphans in US- out of 380 Million people, in Ukraine a country of 48 Million they have the same number, with another 400,000 street kids. James 1:27 is my world view- Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows- this should be a challenge to care for orphans everywhere in my mind both in US and around the world.

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 6:14 PM

Jefftn62, thank you for quoting me. It lets me know that you atleast read my comments! Let me make it clear for you though. I do NOT in NO WAY think one child is less valuable than any other--regardless of where they are from. The situation you described about the American children that have relatives or parents that change their mind could happen anywhere with any child--again, regardless of where they are from. You said that other adoptions from Russia have been suspended due to this incident. I understand that. So, if the adoptions from Russia are halted, why not try adopting from America? Unless someone has already began the process from Russia and it's in the works to be complete, I see no reason why someone can't try to adopt from here. I'm not slamming anyone for adopting from anywhere else. I think adoption is very honorable, if it's for the right reasons. And it doesn't matter where the adoption takes place, as long as it gives a child a real home and a real family. No child is going to be perfect, even if it's your own flesh and blood, but that's part of parenthood. Apparently, the Hansen family didn't want to deal with it for some reason. My apologies! I should've clarified that. I am, in no way, racial or discriminatory. I'm not pointing any fingers, like some here have because they don't know the whole story but they are steadily making accusations against the Hansen family. And I would never let a child go without, even if it's not mine. Ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you that. Children depend on their parents or guardians, and it irritates me to see them mistreated because the parent cares more about themselves than their kids. Besides, I am the person that said there are thousands of children here in the US that are waiting to be adopted, so you really have no reason to imply that I'm pointing a finger that I wouldn't raise to help an American orphan. That makes no sense at all. I could see your point if I were saying everyone should only adopt from foreign countries. You obviously want to adopt since you have taken the steps to be able to do so, and I think that's great. Congratulations. I hope your adoption goes well, wherever you decide to adopt from. Your comment does make a good point. If the Hansens are or have been offered a big check to tell their story, it would probably interfere with their conscience. But, then again, how do we know this whole mess wasn't a publicity stunt anyway? How do we know she didn't do this to try and get some sort of big offer to tell her story? It's been said that she consulted an attorney about sending him back before she actually sent him. Who knows, maybe she needed the money and this situation was all a scam to get it. People will do anything these days to get money--the "fast food, easy road" way. Isn't that how you described our society? Until you made the comment about the check from People or Oprah, I never thought of this being a scam, but now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 7:18 PM

JeffTN62,

I wish you nothing but the best experience with adoption. God bless you with every gift necessary to have things work wonderfully.

Until we hear more, you cannot say with complete assurance that Torry Hansen did not go through a search for resources to help Artyem. HIPA rules and confidentialty should keep people silent until there is a legal release of ANY information. That may not happen, if the Russians chose to keep him and he doesn't come back to the US.

I know some adoptive parents will take and love any child and that there are others who are very specific in what they want,can and cannot handle. Normal adoption issues are one realm but RAD AND/OR FAS are formidable barriers. Her co-worker was clear that she did not want to deal with those issues. I wonder that his behavior was missed but the institutions are woefully understaffed. Or, perhaps it was a relief for him to be OUT of a home environment and he was more comfortable in less personal and close surroundings, so he didn't react in that setting.He may have had a PTSD trigger go off when he was in the Hansen home and it devastated the family. I can only conjecture until we know more....... if we ever do.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 4:46 PM

Hi cherokee2,

Well that was not my initial intention but jaxspike seems to agitate quite easily.

As for me it will take a lot more than a MR. in front of my name.

im quite enjoying this blog.

thanks

-- Posted by annmontreal on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 2:17 PM

Mr. annmontreal, are you trying to agitate jaxspike?

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 12:11 PM

Cherie81- I respect that you at least tried to help and adopted child in the past. but disagree Ms Hansen didn't have options- we are a fast food society, we want the easy road, we live in denial and then a child should pay cause it was hard? He wasn't perfect? This Russian Child was in fact American as she received his birth certificate in November- there are adoption disruptions, if he was violent then why didn't it come out in January? so your voting for sending back a child after 2 months of issues! I just finished going thru adoption parenting training and you have to be self absorbed and in denial to not think you might adopt a child with issues- the required training I just finished was very clear on that. I think we have a society of very selfish people that want what they want and expect to go to Russia and demand they get a perfect child, regardless of what they have been told. Russia doesn't care who we are.. wake up! Ms Hansen had a Vanderbilt one of the best Adoption medical clinic's at her disposal to verify this child's medical records, but she never lifted a finger to even consult them... as probably she knew what was best... just like sending him packing back to Russia.

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM

TO QUOTE: "but there are still THOUSANDS of children HERE IN THE U.S.A. that are waiting to be adopted..." I keep hearing this over and over... There is home in Murfreesboro - Good Shepherd Childrens Home that is full of American Orphans- but you know what NOT one can be adopted because they have relatives that could contest an adoption. I know of a couple that wants to adopt from US- but the birth mothers three times have changed their mind at the last minute at the time of birth- imagine that let down to a family. Is a Russian, Ukranian, Rawandan, Sudanese child any less valuable than an American child? To some of you yes... it has become a racial,cultural discrimination where you point a finger, but wouldn't lift one to even help an American orphan- which by the way is usually bi racial or black child, waiting to be adopted. I pray for the Hansens that they would come out of their denial and do the right thing, find help they need, and admit their wrong doing, but then again that $100,000 Check from People Magazine or Oprah they might get, could interfere with having a conscience- isn't that the American way... do what you want and to heck with everyone else.

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 11:29 AM

So much anger. This should have been a far more tempered story considering the child was returned and is physically fine. As the national press points out NOW, there have been cases where adoptions were ended with far worse results.

The irony is that there appear to have been no laws broken concerning Artyem's return. Perhaps the best result of all this will be that procedures will be set in place to create better bonds before the children leave Russia with any adoptive parent and there will be a protocol established if there is the unfortunate circumstance of a disruption. Some good may come from the ashes of this.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 8:28 PM

wonderwhy, there are very few people I trust with my child. None of my comments imply that I would trust this woman with my child. My point is that you made a reference to what she is possibly capable of doing to her other child, and when Thom commented that maybe you shouldn't imply anything of that nature, you immediately responded and said that's not what you meant. So, maybe you should be a little clearer about what you are implying in your comments since Thom and I both thought that's what you were referring to. You're probably not the only person to have that thought, even if you didn't intentionally mean for your comment to seem like that's what you were implying. It's a shame that there are actually people that stoop low enough to harm a child for any reason. Again, I don't condone what she did. I doubt it was the only option she had, but I wasn't there so I don't know the whole situation. I hope it gets cleared up for everyone involved and for other people that have been put on hold during their adoption process. But the main thing I hope happens is that this child finds a better home with a family that will treat him a thousand times better than the Hansen family could have. Some blessings come in disguise, and I hope this turns out to be a huge blessing for the child.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 12:22 PM

candasons07 , would you trust her with your child?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 8:33 AM

I don't think it really matters what facts she has to support her claim or what laws she may or may not be charged with breaking, in the end she will still be a coward with no class.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 7:52 AM

**She has created an international incident for the lack of maturity and professionalism. This child is suppose to be psychotic? So you board him on a plane alone? She's worried he's going to burn her house down, she's in fear for her life, so she board him on a 18 hour flight with 275 unsuspecting passengers. She broke several laws.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:29 PM**

If she broke several laws, why are the authorities still trying to find something to charge her with? Maybe you should call them and tell them every law she broke, since you say there are several, and then they can arrest her and she will finally tell her side of the story for everyone to know.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 12:42 AM

**wonderwhy - I don't think it's quite appropriate to suggest that she's capable of killing her other child. And don't try to say that's not what you were suggesting, that's EXACTLY how you meant that.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:40 PM**

Thom, I thought the same thing when I read the comment!

**There are many stories of mothers who reach mental states that effect their ability to deal with their children, and often the children are never found. So with that in mind perhaps this boy was lucky after all , the other one may not end up so well off should she once again not be able to handle what parenthood throws at her.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:10 PM**

**No I did not mean to imply she was capable of "killing" her other child, I was thinking more on the line of leaving him behind somewhere...

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:27 PM**

wonderwhy, after the first comment you posted at 10:10 p.m. on April 15th, it's extremely contradictory on your part to post the other comment at 11:27 p.m. on the same day, only after Thom brought it to your attention. Maybe in the future you should clarify your comments so no one makes any assumptions about what they actually mean. Just think of it as setting an example of what you think Torrey Hansen should be doing, since your comments clearly indicate that you think she should clarify her actions, instead of letting people make assumptions about what she did! Just a thought.....

-- Posted by candasons07 on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 12:20 AM

zmd22, I completely agree with your comment, which is what I also said in my comment. Until the whole story is out in the open, there shouldn't be any accusations or assumptions made about anyone involved.

Jefftn62, I'm not throwing astrochicks under the bus, as you call it. I'm simply wondering where he/she is getting their information. I read more than the Shelbyville newspaper and I haven't seen any of this information. It's called curiosity and every person that has commented on here has it. It's not called "throwing someone under the bus", unless you are referring to someone else whose comment specifically says something negative about this woman and her actions regarding this child. I will agree with you, though. Her silence doesn't make her guilty or not guilty, and it has caused a lot of irritation and trouble for other people. But, as I already stated, the authorities can't seem to find what crime she committed---if any---so her silence is lawyer enforced, more or less, until she is officially charged. Also, her actions may have caused international adoptions to be suspended, but there are still THOUSANDS of children HERE IN THE U.S.A. that are waiting to be adopted. I'm not taking up for her at all. I just don't think she should be judged until we know the whole story. I don't see how her actions could've been the only choice she had, but, then again, I've never been in her position either. I don't know what she tried to do to help her situation before shipping the child back to Russia. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know either, even if it is reported in some media story, because bottom line, the people directly involved haven't told their story to anyone, so until then, anything reported is just speculation and/or rumor--in my opinion anyway. I know the driver has made reference to the case, but I haven't read that. And just so it's clear, I wouldn't classify his story as rumor or speculation since he picked the child up.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 11:52 PM

Well it appears Torry Hansen abandoned her animals at her house with no food and water, animal control had to pick them up.

For Artyom, she sent him home with only the clothes on his back? Does this mean he had only one outfit to wear? Or was she to cheap and kept all his clothes at home for a new Russian boy?

The fact she's in hiding says it all. What if the reversed happened? An American boy was adopted by a Russian family, returned with only the clothes on his back to the White House? Every American would be up in arms.

What she did is completely ridiculous. Ms.Hansen is an adult and should go to jail. Better yet, buy a one way ticket for her and her mom to a Moscow jail...

-- Posted by astrochicks on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:35 PM

I have found, over time.. to look at a persons' character you can find alot about them from the way they treat their animals. Compassion speaks loudly. I am grateful Artyom had compassion with the russian driver caught up in the whole drama. I pray this child gets peace and love from a family that will have the patience and time for him and some of his past situations. You cannot take someone formerly abused and expect them to "act right." I have worked with abused animals before and it take years and alot of patience.. Artyom should have seen a therapist for some of these situations.

Maybe now he can get some peace.

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 5:32 PM

Mrs. Jaxspike,

Thank you for pointing that out to me.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM

annmontreal . . . I brought my gender in the discussion because you keep calling me "Mrs. Jaxspike" when in fact I am a male.

Again, learn to read. Thanks though for proving my point.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 1:19 PM

"purchased the bargain-bin kids anyone can get from places like russia" Wow, lazarus, that's kinda harsh.

i prefer blunt to harsh, but i reckon harsh probably applies.

"Maybe you should find out a bit more about the process of adoption before speaking about something you clearly know nothing about."

maybe. but if it is harder to get foreign children, why all the references to people adopting overseas kids because the process here is too difficult? i have spent an awful lot of time over the years doing volunteer work with kids, and too many people think their kids are accessories. people have their own kids and lose interest when they are no longer "cute". maybe i am too judgemental, but the number of kids around here needing someone to take an interest, or to spend a little time with them is staggering. then people declaring how they have "love to give" walk right past children that need some of that "love" looking to satisfy their own desire for a living, breathing knick knack to show off to their friends. so i dont know if i am harsh or blunt. but i put my money where my mouth is.

-- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM

1. This woman made a terrible decision when she put a child on a plane with a one-way ticket back to Russia. She should be held accountable for her actions. If there is no law to address a situation like this, then there should be.

2. There probably is no law to address this problem because to do something so insensitive is unimaginable for a decent human being.

3. You don't go to the car lot and buy a car and then decide to leave it at the dealership in the middle of the night 6 months later with a note explaining that it is not what you thought it was. What she did is immoral.

4. She obviously knows that she has done something wrong or she would not be hiding out like she has been.

5. Regardless if a law has been broken or not, this woman should be picked up by the authorities and held for 48 hours for questioning.

6. You can try to sugar coat this all you want and pretend that she has a right to do what she did, but what she did involved a child that she willfully discarded. I hope that she is never allowed to adopt another child for the rest of her life because she has proven herself untrustworthy.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 12:45 PM

AMEN zmd22!!

-- Posted by truckindaddy on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 12:04 PM

zmd22, prayer is a wonderful, powerful thing, true. But we also have a responsibility to the children. If this incident is not investigated, if officials do not examine and follow through with to find out what went wrong, it will happen again, it will be glorified to some as an easy way out of caring for their challenging child. I do know what it like to raise a child like she says this boy was, and many times I was at my complete wits end. I don't judge "her" I judge the actions taken and the possible results that could have become of those irresponsible, selfish choices she made. She needs help as much as the young boy does. She may have regrets for her actions, I'm sure she never expected it to be found out what she did, that could be why she sent him so far from where she got him. True, we do not know, true she did not owe the public an explanation. However now that it has hit the media the way it has in is essential it is handled properly to prevent the message of " it's ok to dump an unruly child when you can not handle them " There are many unstable folks out there that will follow her example if there is nothing to show them it is wrong.

Also if the situation was so bad she needed to take such drastic actions, one may think she would want to come forth and do everything she can to make sure in the future nothing like that happens to another family. That she would want to do everything possible to make public the horror she and this boy were put through and the need for options to be there to help in these situations. That she would use the problem to create solutions. There is just too many fishy things with her sketchy story. Just because he is safe now does not excuse her negligent actions.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 11:52 AM

I've read over a lot of these comments and I am shocked at some of the responses.

I've always been told there are two sides to every story. Right now we are only hearing one side. The Russians side. Not the Artyom's, not Ms. Hansens, but the Russians. Do I think the situation could have been handled differently? Probably so, but have any of you ever been in this situation?

We would all like to say how we would have handled this situation differently but if you haven't faced what Ms. Hansen faced how can you honestly know that? In no way am I taking up for her, but I am saying it's not my place to judge. God didn't place me on this earth to judge someone.

Instead of judging her why don't you use some of that energy to pray for her. Pray for Artyom. Pray for the US and Russian officials. Right now they all need our prayers. Pray that God will work in everyone's hearts to make the right decisions for everyone involved. Not just pray that she gets what she deserves or pray she goes to jail.

Bottom line is no one really knows the whole true story. Yes, there are reports of this and reports of that, but bottom line is we have not lived in that house with them. We have not walked a mile in either of their shoes. We know they are saying the boy does not have problems, but are we the doctors that evaluated him? How do we know she's not absolutely heart broken and devestated that she couldn't handle a child that she loved enough to adopt? We know none of these things for sure. Only God knows where her heart was, where the child's heart was. Please people stop being so judgemental and put it in God's hands. God will be the final judgement some day. Not you and not me, and if her heart wasn't in the right place she will have to answer for that to God. If he is a lost little boy, pray God will find his soul and find his way into his heart and that he'll forever change.

-- Posted by zmd22 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 AM

Wonderwhy,

It was later established that Logan wasn't her son. She has no children and it isn't liely she'll be able to adopt now.

Artyem IS SAFE. The plan arranged by Mrs Nancy Hansen, after consulting with a lawyer did work. If people were most concerned about Artyem wouldn't the fact of his well being be more important than criticizing how he was returned?

There are no set procedures for disrupting Russian adoptions and we know that people have had extreme difficutlies in the past when these circumstances arise. Surely the government and agencies ouught to have put a process in place long ago in the event of a failure to bond,etc. Adoption is different from giving birth in that a newborn cannot express itself a vehemently or catastrophically as an older child who has been abused or neglected for years.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 10:54 AM

The sad part about the Moscow driver, is there was another adoptive family from America who adopted a Russian boy and ended up killing him. He picked them up from the orphanage and took them to the airport. He later learned in the news that one of the parents beat the child to death.

The issue isn't whether their Russian, Chinese, etc. There's an issue with the parents who are adopting these kids. The laws need to be stricter and because of this incident they will be.

I think because American laws are so strict, parents look outside their own country where the laws are easier. Unfortunately, people who should not adopt children slip through the cracks.

There are monsters everywhere. A Queens dad beat his 7 month old son to death because he thought he was too much of a "Mama's Boy."

Some people should not be parents.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 10:31 AM

There is a new story on another Russian boy left by his adoptive parents in the Caribbean.. by THANK GOD Russian parents this time... sold him for drugs. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100415/158595... hope Russians are as upset to halt adoptions in their own country.

I still can't believe they can't charge Ms Hansen with child endangerment- they had to have lied to get him on the plane, what if the driver would have been in human trafficking- which is rampant in CIS countries.

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM

Mrs. Jaxpike,

I read your comment and i understand exactly what you said. Maybe you should go back and read what you wrote.

its very clear.

you are going to bring your gender into this? i dont see how that is relevant. PLEASE! this is not the forum.

On the subject....i cant believe she started the process to adopt another child.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 8:36 AM

annmontreal . . . it is "MR" Jaxspike to you. No matter if it takes six months or two years to finalize an adoption, if that is the amount of time it takes to confirm that the parents are deemed responsible enough to take care of a child and that the child is a good fit for that family then so be it. My point is that the process should be very involved and with every issue considered no matter how long it takes and anyone that is applying for adoption should know and understand this and agree with it because we all should want what is best for the child and not just the need of a some individual(s) who wants a child. Waiting for a period of time will not make anyone that less of a parent. I am sorry that such a simple point got lost on you. Maybe you should read people comments better before assuming anything like you did with my gender.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 8:04 AM

Arthur is the Moscow Driver who picked up Artyom that day. In his blog, he says that Nancy Hansen lied to him about Artyom. Also, he confirms that Artyom does not speak Russian. Once you read the entire story of what happened that day, there is no question to whether or not Torry and Nancy should go to jail. It's so disturbing what they did, the lies they told, etc.

In his own words you can read it here. The sheriff should be interviewing him.

http://www.moscow-driver.com/news/2010-0...

-- Posted by astrochicks on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 12:22 AM

It's my understanding Logan, was adopted from Russian by her sister. ABC News said that after she adopted Artyom, she went BACK to the original agency and wanted a second child. They told her no and she should want for Artyom to adapt to his new home. Afterward, she went to a new agency in another part of Russia to start a second adoption process which has been halted now.

My question is why send Artyom back to Russia with only the clothes on his back. The driver did an interview with ABC and said Artyom had no luggage, appeared to be a normal child and spent six hours with him. If you're emotionally disturbed, you will show that side of yourself in that short period of a time. Especially with a stranger.

She should have returned the child to the original orphanage, with his clothes, toys, mementos and everything else.

Torry is a cruel and insensitive woman who has no business adopting any child. I hope that she gets the mental help she needs because she appears to be the emotionally disturbed one.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:29 PM

Thom, if she is capable of the brash actions she took, her ability to deal with this other child should be checked out for that child's safety. Can you say for sure she is capable or rational decisions after what she did to this boy? She has shown she can not handle the stress of a problem child and will resort to extreme lengths to rid her self of the responsibility. In most cases no one expected those other children to be endangered.

No I did not mean to imply she was capable of "killing" her other child, I was thinking more on the line of leaving him behind somewhere, but your suggestion should be considered also, I did suggest that if she were to become over whelmed again that child could be in danger, and that something should be done to prevent her from doing anything stupid to that child if the conditions got where she was once again unable to deal with things. Can you say she will not fly off the handle again and dump this other child in a similar or worst way? What if she reaches that point again? The truth is nobody knows what she will do, but they know what she has done and should use that as a warning that she needs help learning how to handle these things in an appropriate manner for the well being of her child. To just brush off her actions puts this other child at risk.

As for concern about my post being deleted, why should they delete a legitimate concern for the possible safety of a child when it has been shown that the adult involved is making unsound decisions while under stress? She shipped a little boy across the world to a stranger she met on line, be real here. He could also be in an unsafe situation, she is not acting rationally, and it should be evaluated. Don't you care about the welfare of the other child?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:27 PM

wonderwhy - I don't think it's quite appropriate to suggest that she's capable of killing her other child. And don't try to say that's not what you were suggesting, that's EXACTLY how you meant that.

I'm interested to see if your post gets deleted like the old posts regarding a particular planning and codes director that "suddenly resigned". Those posts were deleted because the T-G was concerned about legal actions, should they be concerned about your post?

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:40 PM

Cherie, "Most important is that he did arrive safely there. The plan to return him did work without a hitch and he is certainly in the care of appropriate authorities."

This woman's actions were cold hearted and selfish. She took the low road to get her freedom. She had no concern for this young child. She could have at least arranged to have someone he knew from the orphanage meet the plane, not some stranger she picked off the internet.But had she done that she may have had a hitch in the plan that would have messed up her desire to be rid of him. She may have had to answer questions she did not want to answer, explain things she wants to keep hidden. Why was it so important to have him out of the country without even trying to get him help here? Was she hiding something he would have exposed? She had one thing in mind and that was to dump this child, if her intentions towards him where in the best intrest of the child she would have looked for help not a plane ticket. Her actions ( or lack of) shows his welfare was of no concern. If as some here say she was so stressed she made poor choices, then I say that someone better go and check on her other child, because no telling what will happen if that one stresses her out. HE does not have a far away country to ship him back to, so what will she resort to should she not be able to handle him? There are many stories of mothers who reach mental states that effect their ability to deal with their children, and often the children are never found. So with that in mind perhaps this boy was lucky after all , the other one may not end up so well off should she once again not be able to handle what parenthood throws at her.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:10 PM

I imagine that no one in the Hansen family or ANY AMERICAN was advised to travel with Artyem by the lawyer. It was most likely a concern that whoever showed up with him would be detained and forced to take the child back to the US.

Most important is that he did arrive safely there. The plan to return him did work without a hitch and he is certainly in the care of appropriate authorities.

Balancing the method used by Ms Hansen next to his birth mother's treatment of him, I think gives it a better perspective. One women abused the child for no good reason. Another woman could not handle the behaviors that were a result of that treatment and she surrendered the child to people who could more properly meet his particular needs. One overnight trip in which he was not harmed, as opposed to possibly 6 years of abuse doesn't seem offensive to me. I think she did the best she could for him and for her family and herself.

I would think that broke her heart. But to live in fear for the rest of her life (that seems a real possibility) was too much to contemplate. Not everyone can be strong enough to face all life throws at them.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:00 PM

Russian officials have stated that Artyom does not speak Russian but understands it. It's a different dialect.

It's like if I adopt a child in California and I send him back to Puerto Rico because I don't want him anymore. Puerto Rico is part of the US now but it's thousands of miles away. What she did is ridiculous and I can't believe people are sticking up for her.

The issue is she should have flown back to Siberia with him and returned him to the orphanage. Or contacted the original adoption agency and let him be placed somewhere else.

She even lied to the child, she told him he was going on "vacation" and only gave him his back pack.

No clothes, just a backpack with candy and a toy Spiderman. That's insane and heartless.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:35 PM

Child abandonment is against the law, child endangerment, child abuse, child neglect, we can go on and on. Contacting a driver on the internet and say pick up this child, is abandonment.

She lied to the airlines. As a former employee of an international airline, minors traveling overseas are suppose to have a roundtrip ticket. A family member is suppose to be picking up the child upon arrival. The flight attendant is suppose to hold the child's passport until arrival. The airline screwed up by not checking to see if he had a roundtrip ticket. If the grandmother would have told the airline the truth, they never would have boarded him on the flight.

Torry sent him back with only the clothes on his back. With airline security the way it is today, what Torry did was dangerous, cruel and insensitive.

She has created an international incident for the lack of maturity and professionalism. This child is suppose to be psychotic? So you board him on a plane alone? She's worried he's going to burn her house down, she's in fear for her life, so she board him on a 18 hour flight with 275 unsuspecting passengers. She broke several laws.

Maybe Homeland Security should arrest her for lying to officials. She needs to go to jail.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:29 PM

candasons07- her silence doesn't mean she is not guilty either- her silence has caused 3000 US families adoptions to be suspended so before you- equate her silence has forced by her attorney or not, her silence has still cause great harm.

And before throwing Astronchicks under the Hansens adoption bus- all her information (except Siberia being a region) can be found on reliable news sources, in US, Russia, UK etc.. I guess the big Shelbyville paper doesn't have internet to research these things.

Cherie81- there is adoption disruptions- Ms Hansen didn't take the time to call anyone !!! unbelievable anyone could remotely take up for Fomer Adoptive Mother Called Hansen FAMCH in this regard- she was a nurse!!!

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:03 PM

Ms. Hansen did not return Artyom to his home country. He was Siberian, which is considered part of Northern Asia and is a Russian territory. He understands Russian but does not speak it. She did not return him to the original orphanage but sent him thousands of miles away ALONE to a government office.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 2:03 AM

Astrochicks, Siberia is a region in Russia. Siberia is comprised of Russian states, just like the Midwest region of the United States is comprised of American states. A person born in Siberia is no less Russian than a person born in Moscow. Just wanted to clear that up.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 6:45 PM

Right or wrong on this issue, I move to place Torry Hansen in charge of immmigration reform.

-- Posted by TubeSock on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:27 PM

I am sorry for people waiting to adopt from Russia. But, I blame the agencies not Torry Hansen. There should have been a set procdeure in the event someone wished to disrupt their adoption. We know it can happen. There are hundreds of Russian children in the US whose parents found them to be too behaviorally unacceptable to keep in the home. The children were placed for adoption prematurely or the the adoptions too quickly finalized.

The agencies have the children in their care first. They should know the children and the prosective parents better before finalizing. The children and the hopeful would-be parents all lose but, the agencies keep the fees. How is that fair? The money, at least, should go to care for the child who has lost a home.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 4:01 PM

Mrs.Jaxspike,

You are really making some assumptions that are down right insulting.

Your comments about "people wanting an easy option in adopting a child ....will seek the easy option in raising the child"

with all due respect who the hell are you to make that kind of comment.

For anyone waiting for a child a day must seem like an eternity.

im sure this will be another point that will be lost on you.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 2:05 PM

jaxspike - when you want to adopt a child, there really is no easy route. Home studies are invasive whether for domestic or international, the amount of paperwork you have to fill out is astronomical and with both you have no guarantee that you are going to get a child, even if you qualify, nor is there a magical timeline of how long it will take. For example, I know of a couple who signed with a domestic adoption agency in October and had a baby placed with them in February...I also know of a couple who applied (and passed) to adopt a child internationally - they have been on a waiting list for over two years!

When you apply to adopt, whether internationally or domestically, you are required to take classes where you learn all about what can go wrong - and trust me when I say that some of the things that can go wrong are beyond anything we can imagine. You are also given in these classes a list of resources you can turn to for help with your adoption, post-placement.

The short version of my reply to you is that it is not easy to adopt a child from anywhere. Regardless of where you are adopting from it is a difficult process.

Also, I have to admit that I wholeheartedly agree with you that adoption laws should be strict for both international and domestic adoptions.

-- Posted by cfrich on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:52 PM

I am getting confused here . . . I hear people claiming that the reason why they adopt internationally is because the laws here are so stringent and time consuming when it comes to a domestic adoption. That doesn't seem like a great complaint to me because shouldn't the laws in adopting a child be stringent and time consuming? I mean, any parents wishing to adopt children should have to jump through hoops to have that privilege because that child should go to home that will provide the best environment for love and development. I get nervous when I hear how much easier it is to adopt a child from lets say Russia because so many issues are not addressed such as the ability of the parents to handle taking care of the child and etc. If the laws were more stringent in international adoptions then maybe situations like this with Hansen would not have occurred. Of course it was stated that the home schooling rules are stricter in regards to international adoptions . . . how does that matter in the bigger picture? That doesn't make it equal to the rules and regulation of domestic adoptions. It sounds as though people want an easy option in adopting a child which makes me wonder if they will seek the easy options in raising the child . . . . some of the comments are just not selling their point to me.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:36 PM

Before you condemn the lady maybe you should listen to an old Joe South song. Walk a mile in my shoes, walk a mile in my shoes. Before you critisise and abuse, walk a mile in my shoes. - What if she had tried to stay the course and had wound up dead at his hands. Or he had started school and injured a classmate. Would you all have then condemned her if one of your children had been injured at this childs hands. The poor woman is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. It is a sad and bad situation but none of you do yourselves a service in your responses. And if you believe anything the Russians say about it,(hah). They love to make Americans look bad. And evidently so does our government. As for me, I leave her judgement to her God. I have done enough in my life to atone for without condemning her. Also, I commend Sheriff Boyce for not indulging in the gut reactions that a lot of you are doing.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:10 PM

lazarus you stated:

"wouldnt her example pretty much only apply to people who did not meet the us adoption standards, and instead purchased the bargain-bin kids anyone can get from places like russia? there is usually a reason people cannot adopt in-country, and rather than seeking to correct the problem by penalizing people who should never have been allowed to adopt in the first place, wouldnt it be a better solution to close the loopholes that allow people who are not suitable adoptive parents to purchase children from other countries?"

I am in the process of adopting internationally and trust me, my children are in no way 'bargain bin' kids, at all. I am not "purchasing" my children. There is no reason as to why I "cannot" adopt in-country - as my husband and I have completed a domestic adoption home study. What you don't realize is that in order to adopt internationally, the home study rules are much stricter than adopting domestically.

Maybe you should find out a bit more about the process of adoption before speaking about something you clearly know nothing about.

-- Posted by cfrich on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 12:06 PM

"purchased the bargain-bin kids anyone can get from places like russia" Wow, lazarus, that's kinda harsh.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 12:01 PM

"If this issue is not dealt with in a strong manner and an solution (example?) made we will have people who want to dump problem children following her example in record numbers."

iam not sure i follow your logic here. wouldnt her example pretty much only apply to people who did not meet the us adoption standards, and instead purchased the bargain-bin kids anyone can get from places like russia? there is usually a reason people cannot adopt in-country, and rather than seeking to correct the problem by penalizing people who should never have been allowed to adopt in the first place, wouldnt it be a better solution to close the loopholes that allow people who are not suitable adoptive parents to purchase children from other countries?

-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:44 AM

Cherie81, I completely agree with you. I know first hand that U.S. adoptions are more complicated than foreign adoptions. A single parent cannot adopt a child because the courts look at it as "bastardizing" a child. Even if there is a parent wishing to sign over parental rights, it can't be done without someone else willing to adopt the child so that, on paper, he/she has a mother and father. It's sad that kids are left because the court system has certain ways they do things, even when it's not an actual law.

There are very good points made for all angles of this situation, but the bottom line is that no one really knows what happened and no one knows if Torrey tried to get help, with no avail. I am curious about something though....ASTROCHICKS, where are you getting your information? How do you know so much about this case and what she did or didn't do? Unless you are personally involved in the situation, you shouldn't be stating anything as fact. And please don't come back and say you aren't stating it as fact. You clearly are because your comment makes no reference to this being solely what you think happened. I've never been in her situation, but I have had other situations with the American adoption system. I can't pass judgment on her for her actions because I don't know her situation and I don't know what steps she took leading up to the child being sent back home. There shouldn't be any assumptions made until everything is out in the open. And for JeffTN62, her silence doesn't mean she's guilty. She's doing exactly what her attorney says because until she is charged, she has no reason to explain her actions. I bet if you did something that might have legal repercussions, you wouldn't explain anything until you were charged. Most lawyers would advise their clients not to speak to anyone about whatever the situation is until there are formal charges, especially if the authorities investigating are having a field day trying to prove a crime was actually committed. If it was an obvious offense, don't you think she would be in jail already? That's common sense. And also, if it was an obvious offense, there would be no one questioning her actions and wondering what all happened because the authorities would already have her story and I'm sure the media would be broadcasting it on every news station and it would be posted all over the internet. Kind of like it is now, only without a bunch of questions and people making comments about the fact that she hasn't come forward and spoken to authorities yet. I certainly don't condone her actions, but until the full story is out, I"m not going to slam her for it either. Hopefully, this won't affect the child in the long run and he will be placed with a loving family that will give him everything he needs, be it here or in his homeland. For whatever reason, Torrey didn't see a way to do that, whether it was because of the child's violent manner (if that's true) or another reason. Either way, I hope this situation turns out to be a huge benefit for the child and the outcome is far better than anything Torrey Hansen could have ever done for him.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:48 AM

Jax we do know that she was a nurse, thus had access to information that she could have accessed had she chose to. She was in distress for sure, but she did adopt the child, and thus did choose to b e his mother. If this issue is not dealt with in a strong manner and an solution made we will have people who want to dump problem children following her example in record numbers. She abandoned that child, no matter what the law says what she did was in no way, under any conditions acceptable. All she had to do if what she is saying is true is call the police, they would have lead her towards some help, she could have called the church next door, called the Children's services office, she could have done any of the things as a nurse she would have been trained to instruct parents to do. She had options, she choose to do the most dramatic thing that would insure the child would be out of her reach. I raised a child with many problem whom at times was impossible to deal with, I know what it feels like to be at wits end and feel you have no options. If she was so distraught that she was incapable to attempt find a solution that was in the child's intrest, then she has shown that she is not able to make appropriate decisions under stress and the welfare of her other child must be considered and checked into. What will she do should that child become unruly? At least with the adopted boy she had a place to send him, she has no where to ship this other child back to, what would she do with him/her? I am not being flippant this could be a serious problem, and she has shown she is unable to deal with problems in logical and appropriate manner. Does anyone even know for sure where they are and if they really OK?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:43 AM

Well, thanks to the Hansen's our adoption has been frozen. We've invested time and money in the adoption and we were set to travel back to Russia in a couple of weeks for court.

Very, very sad. I am praying for the Hansen women to go to jail.

Not even mature enough to accompany the child back to Russia. SHAME ON THEM.

-- Posted by cajunkaren on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:31 AM

astrochick . . . Hansen would not be in jail at this point because there are no laws that cover this kind of situation thus they are having problems finding anything to "convict" her of. You can't just throw someone in jail just because you feel like it no matter if it is Shelbyville or Los Angeles. In fact with the overcrowding in prisons and jails in Los Angeles, she would be less likely to be place in jail at this point.

Know the facts before passing judgment and as of right now, we don't know all the facts.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 8:28 AM

BOTTOM LINE.....Torry you did the wrong thing. With the level of education you have...how could you act so cold? You get what ever comes your way, and rest assured, you will be arrested for some reason over this... REEP IT

-- Posted by I say this on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 2:31 AM

Ms. Hansen did not return Artyom to his home country. He was Siberian, which is considered part of Northern Asia and is a Russian territory. He understands Russian but does not speak it. She did not return him to the original orphanage but sent him thousands of miles away ALONE to a government office.

She never notified the original adoption agency, the orphanage, local authorities, etc. She hired a driver from the internet, she had no idea if he would really pick the child up, he could have been a child molester for all she knew.

Russian authorities have found nothing wrong with the boy, the driver (god bless him) who picked him up said he appeared to be a normal child.

Artyom actually lived with his mom until he was six years old before the Siberian government took him away because she was an alcoholic.

After reading this blog, it appears Ms. Hansen has disappeared and abandoned her pets as well? What is wrong with this woman?

She sounds very immature and disturbed. I hope she gets the help she needs but she should face child neglect and abandonment charges. If this happened in NYC or LA, she would already be in jail.

It's a very sad story. Hopefully, Artyom will find a loving family to care for him. Or better yet, the state gets his real mother help so he can be returned to her.

-- Posted by astrochicks on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 2:03 AM

I understand that this is an emotional issue for a lot of people. I wasn't going to post on this issue, but it seems like other people are looking at this from a strictly emotional response.

I would imagine comments like in the article from April 12th didn't help:

"Before anything can move forward with the case, and even though the boy was flown thousands of miles "and dropped off like a piece of equipment," Hord said that as an investigator, she has to look at the entire picture, and she can't do that until she has the Hansens' side of the story."

It doesn't help when Detective Capt. Becky Hord is quoted with comments like that. I cannot imagine that Ms. Hansen feels like she has any chance at a fair shake.

Did she take the most appropriate actions available to her? Probably not. But the real question that Detective Capt. Hord needs to be asking is: Were her actions criminal?

The facts that are currently known are that she sent an adopted child back to his homeland of Russia. She put him on a plane to fly by himself. People do this all the time (although I have no idea why). Did she hand him over to a flight attendant? This is generally the only way they will let a child fly alone. The airline pretty much has taken custody (and responsibility) of the child at this point. They hired a professional driver to pick him up in Russia and deliver him to the Russian Education and Science Ministry. This child was not dumped off to find his own way back, they took steps to ensure his safe return.

Was this the most morally acceptable route that the Hansens could take? Most likely not.

But the real question here is, were those actions criminal?

As someone whose profession is caring for people, I'm sure she was at her wit's end to find a resolution...a safe resolution. Unfortunately it seems as though this was the only thing that she could come up with.

The near future is going to be a wreck for both Torry Hansen and Artyom Savelyev (probably worse for him), but children are resilient, they bounce back. I just hope that, if he does have psychological issues, they can get him help in Russia, as he should have had here.

I wish them both well. I also wish them peace. It's going to be a while before either of them have any, but it will come. You just have to believe in whatever God it is you pray to. Serenity comes to those who need it most. And in my eyes, they BOTH need it right now, more than anyone I know.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 11:06 PM

I was a foster parent for a few years and was blessed to add a daughter to my family. Life is great now, but there were times that I wanted to run away.

I had to remember I made a commitment to her and she needed to know that we were not going to give up on her no matter what.It is alot easier said and done though.

This has become nothing more than a media circus. That child will now have to deal with being gave up by someone again. Can you imagine how hard it it will be for him to even trust someone else. If she felt so strongly that this child had issues then why did she not seek help? There is NO excuse that she did not seek that help. It takes alot longer than a few months to help get a child adjusted.

-- Posted by For the kids on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 10:45 PM

It always amazes me that people will question why someone would adopt a child from another country- my question is would you adopt? I doubt you would take in any child from the US or Russia, yet you want to throw stones? The reality is that American adoptions are not that easy- birth parents change their mind, some parents still have rights, the reality is the orphans here at least have a future- college, etc.

In Russia, Ukraine after they age out of the orphanage at age 16 and put on the streets - 10% commit suicide, 60% will enter into crime, prostitution and human trafficking. And you question why should someone adopt?

Russia doesn't want this fact known but in 2008 over 2000 children were killed at the hands of parents or care givers, 160,000 were abused.. Russia has their own dirty laundry they need to address before halting adoptions from the US.

Torry Hansen will probably claim she is suffering Post Adoption Depression it is a syndrome that happens (real or not) is not a good excuse of her actions from someone that is a medical professional. Making this decision has hurt US families in the process of adopting from Russia. The Hansen's need to come clean or else their silence speaks guilty louder than anything.

-- Posted by JeffTN62 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 9:11 PM

1ukolsir,

It is not always possible to find local children free for adoption. Singles and older couples are often not considered the best parental choice for the available children.

In our 40's, my husband and I were "steered" to a child older and more difficult than we had anticipated or requested. Of course,our hearts went out to him and we took him with reservations we didn't share with one another. He had RAD, he had been horribly sexually abused. His behavior sky rocketed until we were either calling the police or taking him to the emergency room, spending nights sleeping in shifts because he threatened our lives.

Ms Hansen has my sympathy. We lived through some agonizing times with a very violent,hate filled child. We could find NO affordable private help even with adoption susbidies and had to return him to state care and pray.

I cannot imagine the terror of two women trying to cope with an out of control child and their not knowing what was the best solution for him or themselves. Under stress, they did a very good job of getting him back to a place that would feel familiar.

Because of the silence, I worry that Ms. Hansen may have had a breakdown. I see people being very cruel and judgemental in comments about her and her mother. They do not consider her dream of a happy family was also shattered when the child she brought home was not whom she thought he was. They may not fully comprehend what it does to you to have a child you want to love repeatedly demonstrate a strong desire to kill you and your family.

Our boy refused to be adopted by anyone and willingly stayed in foster care rather than be in a family. We kept sending gifts and money for college. A few years later, we cautiously reunited with him outside the system and have a cordial and peaceful relationship. More therapy had helped him, as well as knowing we still cared. Perhaps happy endings will be possible for both Ms Hansen and Artyem in ways we cannot yet see. I am praying for them both.

-- Posted by Cherie81 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:44 PM

I have a question in general. I'm not targeting anyone specifically but with all the hype about adopting children from Russia, I don't understand why no one looked locally for adoption. There are kids in our own back yard that need to have adoptive parents and I'm sure it goes on all the time.

But to whom it may concern, whether it be Ms. Hansen or anyone else. Look around home first. BTW- After seeing that movie "Orphan," I'd stay away from the Russian kids. :-D

-- Posted by 1ukolsir on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 7:54 PM


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Lesa Cox has owned a cleaning service and a bookstore; now, she repairs and maintains computers for the elderly and others on a fixed income. She enjoys animals, gardening, books and fixing old cars. She and her husband have one son, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome.