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Jennifer Knapp opens up, a Christians reaction

Posted Tuesday, April 27, 2010, at 8:54 AM

Jennifer Knapp recently went on Larry King Live and announced that she is being open about her relationship with another woman.

http://bandweblogs.com/blog/2010/04/23/j...

It takes a lot of courage to admit to the world, especially the Christian world, your open honest gay relationship.

I have read some of the reactions the "Christians" have had over this announcement and I have been just grieved in my heart over this.

Jennifer's' sin is no different than mine, my sin of impatience and rudeness at times.... the bible says to put away the pointing of the finger, ( Isaiah 58: 9) and if I am honest I totally fail at 1 Cor. 13: 4-7.

I got angry at a elderly driver this morning. He pulled out in front of me while taking my son to school, and drove 20 in a 30 mph lane.

So, see sin is in my heart too. Can I judge one sin more than the other?

Jesus was so right on when he said, "those of you without sin, cast the first stone.." Matt. 7:2-5.

So how should my reaction be with someone who announces they are in a gay relationship, or whatever even though they are openly Christian too?

My reaction should be that of 1 Cor. 4-7, but I know I fall short at times.

My reaction should never be one of judgment and blame. It is not my place, her sexuality is her business and she answers to God just like I have to.

Not one of us need to be like the Pharisee in Luke 18: 9-14 where he "Thanks God" for not being a tax collector or a unrighteous person. How many time have I seen this attitude played out in churches and "Christians" all around America.

It is time for the "churches" to stop acting like they have their act all together and they are the "ones," and love where they are at. We all fall short of Gods best, we all sin, we all have problems and situations.

Instead of homophobic attitude we should do as Jesus did, go in among the people and hang out and love them where they are at. Did he approve of sin? No..but He said if you have not sin in your heart then you can be one to "pull the switch" on your fellow brother or sister. Matt. 7:2-5 How many times have I been the one who wanted to "pull the switch" on my brother or sister just because I did not approve of a choice or a action.

Jennifer, if you read this, I would like you to know I admire your guts~i~ness and willingness to expose your self in front of millions of rock throwers.

May I never be counted in that group. It is the Holy Spirits job to convict of sin not mine. (John 16:8)

Jennifer, if you are in Nashville at any given time, give me a call, I'll meet ya for a cuppa Joe somewhere and we can talk about how great Gods' grace is.

Your friend, Lesa


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To be a practicing homosexual, without trying to abstain from that behavior, while professing to be christian, is hypocrisy.

I agree none are without sin, but repentance means turning away from that sin.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:14 AM

she never said she repented. She said this is what is.

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:38 AM

Sin separates us from GOD, repentance is the only way to return to him.

A Christian wants to be as close to GOD as possible.

That is why I suggest it is hypocritical to claim to be a practicing homosexual and a Christian.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:45 AM

then that is all the more reason she needs our prayers at this time. She needs God's grace - not our criticism or "suggestions of hypocracy". Are any without sin? I know I'm not.

-- Posted by picaboo170 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 10:16 AM

Lesa, I agree that sin is sin, and to God it is all the same. However to the standard human population it simply is not. We tend to view things through different colored glasses, and oftentimes a judgment ensues from such.

Saying that "it is what it is" is ridiculous in my book. Openly sinning, and going on to say that, all the while claiming to be a follower of Christ makes no sense to me.

Listen we all fall short, that is for certain.

Just makes it that much harder to reach the lost when someone does something as such because it becomes "acceptable."

No wonder there is so much confusion.

-- Posted by driedleaves on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 10:17 AM

Excellent blog. If Christians practiced compassion as often as they do self-righteousness, we would all be better off.

-- Posted by MotherMayhem on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM

driedleaves.. yep i understand exactlly what you are saying, but i also look at the whole thing as: can she help who she fell in love with? Is is so differant than the woman in a terrible mariage falling for another man because he gives her what she desperatly needs from her dead marriage.

I know, I know..sin is sin... cut and dried but I am trying to look at this from a God point of veiw. Hurting people often do strange things. I have not a clue what Jennifer Knapp has gone through or is now.

Do i approve...i can say no.. becasue i think it is harmful to her stand as a Christian.. we want to be closer to God, and having sin is a barrier and the Holy Spirit will always nudge us gentley telling us "hey not good..."

I will be praying for her, AS I work on my own problems asking for grace from the Father of all Lights.

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 11:16 AM

sorry i need to pray for my freaking Spelling!

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 11:17 AM

Lesa, exactly what I was trying to say. I am no better than she, for my shortcomings are seen in the same light to God, as we agree that sin is sin, period.

But I also agree that it is harmful to her stand as a follower of Christ.

Small town banter...bible belt nonsense...lol not from me! You and I are in the same boat!

-- Posted by driedleaves on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM

Well I for one can not see how someone claims to be a Christian and sing of how great God's love is,yet live against all God's laws. The 1st chapeter of Romans plainly tells us it is wrong. And no I am not judging her. What she does is her business. But claiming too be a Christian while leading a homosexual life is hypocritical.

Romans 1:16-32

(16)For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

(17)For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

(18)For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

(19)Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

(20)For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(21)Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(22)Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(23)And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(24)Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(25)Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(26)For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(27)And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

(18)And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(29)Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(30)Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(31)Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(32)Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I would not sit under a pastor who is gay. And I can not understand a person calling themselves a Christian when they live a life oppisite of God's will. I don't approve of the gay community, but I'll not mistreat them. But I will pray for their souls. After all we all will stand before Him on Judgement Day.

-- Posted by LadyGrace on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 12:00 PM

While I read the Bible almost daily, I would not call myself a scholar of it, nor do I really think any human FULLY understand all the lessons and teachings in it. As I understand Christianity as taught by many of the churches I have attended, once you are "Born Again", you are guaranteed a place in heaven. Period! You are now a Christian.

Granted, you might not be living the life that many believe typifies Christianity if you steal, are unfaithful to your spouse, get blind drunk, lie, or even commit murder but, you are still a Christian, saved by your acknowledgment of Christ as your Savior. God sits in judgment of you, period!

If after you are saved, you slip (backslide) into a lifestyle that is not what WE Christians expect, then are you stripped of your title? If so, I believe the world's Christian population count will change dramatically each day, or hour.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 1:02 PM

Nope Steve, we all mess up...you are 100% correct.. now to continue in something we know is sin.. when the Holy Spirit convicts us.. it is a heavy thing.. we have all done some dumb things. I know her "coming out" will be torrential but I pray that the Grace and Love of the Father floods her and fills any empty space she has in her heart.

God is real clear about pointing the finger at someone else. He despises it. He even promises good health to all who do not practice that and the "wagging tongue." isaiah 58: 6-10

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 3:57 PM

Steve, growing up in church, I can tell you that being "born again" doesn't necessarily mean you are a Christian, nor does it "guarantee" your place in Heaven. You have to live by the Bible and do God's will. People do backslide and no one is without sin, but a person can't get baptized, or "born again", and assume that they can continue to sin and still go to Heaven just because they have been baptized. Once you backslide, you must repent and ask for forgiveness from God. You don't get stripped of your "Christian" title, but you still have to repent. I think each person has a right to live their life how they see fit, but to claim to be a Christian--openly--and also a homosexual--openly--is a complete contradiction, in my opinion. However, I will pray for her and I will pray that her choices do not mislead anyone else in to thinking that you can be a homosexual Christian.

Lesa, you are right. She cannot help who she fell in love with, but if her faith was strong and she was a Christian (as she claimed), she wouldn't have fallen in love with another woman. I'm not without sin either, but I don't openly claim to be a Christian. My only claim is that I have a strong faith in God and I try to do what is right by His standards. And as far as this blog goes, God's standard would be for me to include this woman in my prayers, and I fully intend to do so.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 4:02 PM

Heaven is not overflowing

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 5:58 PM

I find it amazing how people can judge others. In judging others, you are somehow saying you are righteous. The whole point of the death of Christ was that one can attain righteousness through their action. As always, the Pharisees miss the point. We are to be aware of our sin because that is what proves the nature that God is trying to transform. You can be the most heterosexual, bible reading, pastor who has never said a cuss word, and YOU WILL STILL HAVE THIS NATURE, if it is not transformed. The most moral person I have ever heard of is Jerry Falwell. Does anyone think that is what God wants us to be?

http://www.examiner.com/x-46551-Nashvill...

-- Posted by Alaric144K on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 5:59 PM

Amazing that Mr Bell has not posted a responce yet. I really don't care what Miss Knapp does or doesn't do, or whom she does it with. Let her deal with it on her own and let the chips fall where they may.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 6:07 PM

If you give me time Chef I was a fixin to, first off I have never heard of her till now, second off her awards should be stripped and then get on her knees and repent of her sin. No sin is greater than another, but to know your are a born again Christian and to know sin and stay in sin is wrong, you may get to heaven but when you arrive you will have a smokey smell cause you barely made it.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 6:19 PM

No sin is greater than another, but to know your are a born again Christian and to know sin and stay in sin is wrong, you may get to heaven but when you arrive you will have a smokey smell cause you barely made it.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 6:19 PM

Mr. Bell, you can't barely make it to Heaven. You either make it or you don't. And if you are a born again Christian and you know sin, but you stay in sin, you will not make it to Heaven. I'm sure your comment was meant to have a slightly humorous tone with the "smokey smell" comment, but it's not at all correct. I will agree that no sin is greater than another, though.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 7:09 PM

You self-righteous, so-called "Christians" claim that Miss Knapp, (whoever she is), is living in sin because she is gay. You call her a "hypocrite" and tell us she can't be a Christian because you have your bible scriptures to prove it. Why do you require people to live by the scriptures that you approve of, but ignore others? Didn't you all agree that "a sin is a sin"?

If we must live by the scriptures then let's see who else lives openly in sin.

Exodus 35:2

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

(seems a bit harsh...but if my neighbor mows his grass again next Sunday I guess it's cool to shoot him?)

Leviticus 19:27-28

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Do not put tattoo marks on yourselves.

(those of you who clip your sideburns and beard are now living openly in sin with Miss Knapp)

Leviticus 11:7-11

And the pig,though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas and streams that do not have fins and scales-you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses.

(so, if you knowingly eat Pork chops, Bacon, Sausage, Lobster, Shrimp, Scallops, etc.

please line up at the gates of hell behind Miss Knapp)

Deuteronomy 21:18

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him , his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.

They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.

(So, I guess we must all live by these scriptures also. Or we are all hypocrites and sinners just like Miss Knapp.)

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:16 PM

Rocket Valentine,

Amen. For all of those people to be followers of Jesus, they sure can't show anyone where he ever had a word to say about it. Rather they get their scripture from a man who changed his name from Saul to Paul and went from murdering Christians to teaching them. Today, we call people like Paul, "TERRORISTS"...Comical.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 PM

How is this any different from the Sandy Patty incident that happened years ago?

I do not approve of the homosexual lifestyle but neither do I approve of heterosexual "cheating".

A sin is a sin. Its not for me to judge. Just try to do better, maybe?

-- Posted by countrymom on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 5:23 AM

rocket, you are correct in your thinking, this is a heavy thing..the scriptures get "picked and chose" as a "pastor" preaches against certain things. I have heard some pretty outlandish things preached and not a real scriptural basis among them. I choose to live my life by Matt. 25: 35-40.. do unto the least of these... I think Jesus had it right.If we focus on love, we won't have time or the hatred to want to shoot our neighbor on sunday (although I have thought that yard ornaments make good targets..LOL)...

one person from a legalist point of veiw can make the scriptures a ball and chain and another from love makes them liberating. I just try to live by 1 cor.13 and hope a former terrorist got it "right" for once.

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 7:42 AM

When we get caught up in judging others, we are spending too much time in other peoples' business and not enough time focusing our own hearts on our relationship with God. It's not our place to judge . . . it's our place to make sure our own journey is taking us where we should go, and in so doing, hopefully others will see the light coming from us and want to go with us!

-- Posted by bbbluebird on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 7:48 AM

Rocky Valentine, you make interesting points. I can tell you that I don't have any tattoos, and my hair is at my waist. I occasionally eat chicken and I occasionally eat Tilapia, but no other meat. I do not agree with Miss Knapp's choice of lifestyle, but it's not my place to judge her. I will be praying for her because she is seen (or was) as a Christian figure in society. I apologize if you thought I was being judgmental. It wasn't my intent. I have to agree 100% with a few of your points, though. We are all sinners, we only live by the scriptures that suit our lives--if there are any, and a sin is a sin. However, I never called her a hypocrite and I plainly stated that I do not claim to be a Christian--just that I have a strong faith in God. I know that I could live my life more Christian-ly that I do--no excuses for why I don't. I did say that I don't believe someone can be a Christian and a homosexual at the same time, but that's my beliefs. You have yours, I have mine.

bbbluebird, I completely agree with you.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 8:33 AM

We are not under the law of man anymore, but under the law of grace. Praise God. Everyone will have to anser for their sins unless they repent and turn away. My thoughts are this....the word says to "put on the new man"....well, you completely change your way of thinking, the things you do, the people you hang around, the music you listen to, etc. when you are truly born again. Something to ponder on.

-- Posted by honda14 on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 2:58 PM

good point bbbbird and honda14..

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 4:48 PM

wow! im shocked. (maybe cause im from canada)

but in my books homosexuality is NOT A SIN!!!!!

really people should be less concerned about what people do in the bedroom.

ask yourself......how does it concern your life?

You have to live your own life the way you feel is right. i dont have to approve/disapprove of anybody's life except my own.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 3:07 PM

Homophobia is alive and well in good old tennesse!

-- Posted by annmontreal on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 3:34 PM

Homophobia is a misnomer. It implies fear of homosexuals, which would rarely be true.

Homonausea is a much more appropriate description.

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 5:31 PM

Hey i just call it like i see it.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 6:54 PM

Silence is Golden

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 2:39 AM

Lets all just thank God for his amazing grace, and do as the Word suggests.... Pray for one another in love. I thank God that we no longer live by the law but by His grace. We all have issues that we battle. Big or small, God knows and cares. I will pray for this woman along with many others including myself. I have enough sins of my own to deal with without casting stones at anyone else.

-- Posted by Buggs007 on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 1:16 PM

Blah Blah Blah. annmontreal, if you don't like us Tennesseans, go back to Canada. As for Ms Knapp. If she plans to live a gay live and claim to be a Christian, she is nothing more then a hypocrite. I know a lot of gays right here in Shelbyville who go to church and claim to be Christians. Yet go home after church and continue on with living a life against God's law. Isn't that kinda like the hooker or bar hopper on Saturday night, who gets up and goes to church on Sunday? We are all to be accountable for what we do here on Judgement day. And frankly, I don't want it to be know to God that I approved or accepted those things which are wrong. Stick with the KJV of the Bible folk. I for one do not plan on going to my grave with anyones blood on my hands. If it's wrong it's wrong, I don't care who you are or where you come from. How much money or education you have. I'd rather be Lazurus begging for scraps who went to Heaven, then the rich man with plenty to eat, who went to hell. Y'all have ablessed Sunday now, ya hear.....

-- Posted by LadyGrace on Sun, May 2, 2010, at 7:44 AM

Hey LadyGrace.....i never left Canada so its hard to go back.

and Ladygrace....i FORGIVE YOU.

-- Posted by annmontreal on Sun, May 2, 2010, at 7:58 AM

I do not know of the individual, but cannot understand how so many people can be so preoccupied with her choice of partner, irrespective of orientation. People need to focus upon their own lives first.

LadyGrace, With that thought in mind, I wish you would continue reading Romans 2. Chapter and verse designations are recent additions to the text. There is nowhere in the Bible that this artificial separation of text causes more confusion. (Mostly because this is the most frequently cited scripture used to deride homosexuals.)

-- Posted by memyselfi on Sun, May 2, 2010, at 9:57 AM

Wow, a whole lot of what I have been reading sure comes off as judgement, even a little hatred. And we as Christians wonder why people turn away from the church. Jesus told us to love one another and not to judge. That is how I want to live my life, loving others and showing them the love and forgiveness that Christ has for me and for all of us. I do not want someone berating me everyday for my sins, I feel God's nudge enough I know what is right and what is wrong. Sometimes we may fall into a pattern of sin that causes continuous repentance. Thank God He is so patient and loving to forgive me over and over.

-- Posted by ccrmom on Sun, May 2, 2010, at 8:56 PM

Rocket Valentine, I see no comparison between pork chops and shellfish have in common with homosexuality. Unless you're Jewish and still live under law. Jesus said, It is not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, but what comes out; for what goes into your mouth goes to your stomach. But what comes out of your mouth comes from your heart." Jesus also said, "Let the first one among you without sin cast the first stone." Jesus also said, "I did not come here to condemn, but to give eternal life."

Yes, it does say throughout the Bible that homosexuality is a sin in both Testaments. If Jennifer Knapp is really a Christian then maybe her opening up is a cry for help. Pray for her and let God deal with her. She should do the right thing and step down from her ministry, whatever it may be, until this is dealt with. If she opened up and admitted proudly then yes, she is a hypocrite and needs to step down from her ministry. Either way, it's a lose/ lose situation for her and it is unfortunate. So which one of you is going to cast a stone?

-- Posted by 1ukolsir on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 9:30 AM

1ukolsir - The comparison is, that not only does it say in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin, it also says that eating pork and shellfish is also a sin. So, my point was...if you eat those things you are also a sinning hypocrite.

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 8:29 PM

The reason you don't see any comparison is because it's inconvenient for you. It does say in the Bible that eating pork and shellfish is a sin. It also says that anyone who does any work on Sunday must be put to death.

1ukolsir - you sholud live by your own words.

If you are really a Christian then maybe eating a pork chop, or having some bacon or sausage for breakfast is a cry for help. I'll pray for you and let God deal with you.

And if you've ever eaten these foods at a public restaurant, such as Red Lobster, then you've opened up and admitted it proudly and yes, you are a hypocrite and need to step down from your ministry.

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 8:18 AM

well i'm screwed.. I have tattoos, body piercings, eat bacon and have a attitude problem.. But God has also told me He loves me..John 15:14 tells me i am his Friend cause I do what he says.. Matt. 25: 35-40

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Sat, May 8, 2010, at 9:21 PM

Hey 1ukolsir.....YOU ROCK!

-- Posted by annmontreal on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 11:19 AM

You people are funny!!! LOL!!!

-- Posted by LadyGrace on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 5:29 PM


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Lesa Cox has owned a cleaning service and a bookstore; now, she repairs and maintains computers for the elderly and others on a fixed income. She enjoys animals, gardening, books and fixing old cars. She and her husband have one son, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome.