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Ethanol Gasoline Pros and Cons???

Posted Tuesday, June 15, 2010, at 7:56 PM

I have had two vehicles in the past month go down. One was toast, the engine just gave out, but then four days later the other vehicle, went down also. The were both very well maintained Volvo 960's the same year each.

I had stopped and gotten gasoline at a major retailer, and started the first car,( red Volvo) went to pull out in traffic and it sounded like a diesel all of the sudden.

Darn, I had just gotten 30 worth of gas.

So we towed it home, drained the gasoline, used the good parts and sold it to the scrap yard.

The second car,( blue Volvo) the same year and model went out four days later with cutting out really bad while I was driving home from work.

We replaced the fuel filter, injector, coil pack and spark plugs to no avail..

So, we decieded we had to get to work.. so we bought a new vehicle.

When I bought the car, I asked: What about ethanol gasoline?

I began to think, maybe it was the Ethanol gas that made both of my Volvo's die. Two cars in two weeks and the same gasoline in both of them.

I have heard that ethanol runs hotter than other gasoline. What are your thoughts?

Have you had any car trouble since ethanol has been introduced to some petrols??

Mechanics: what are your feeling? I am really interested.


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Lesa, all I can say is that when I use ethanol "enriched" (what a crock) fuel, my MPG's go through the floor. My truck literally sucks the tank dry. I probably lose 20-30% in fuel economy alone.

The second thing is power. From what I understand, ethanol has less "energy" than regular old virgin gasoline. And I can attest to that...power dramatically decreases with the use of "E" gas.

Third, it varies dramatically in price...supposed to be cheaper...but in the long run you stop for fuel MORE because it is LESS efficient. Way to go Al Gore. Ya daggum quack.

As for burning hotter? Dunno...it is so dang hot these past few days, I dunno what cold is anymore...

Heheheh...

But I am with ya, ethanol is a joke.

-- Posted by driedleaves on Tue, Jun 15, 2010, at 9:18 PM

Not to mention it takes more power to distill ethanol than the ethanol provides. Ethanol also attracts water causing tons of problems. Nine out of ten problems with lawnmowers and other small engines lately can be traced to ethanol.

But, as usual, political correctness is much more important than honesty, so we keep using ethanol.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jun 15, 2010, at 9:38 PM

In 2003, I stopped at a gas station with an empty tank and topped if off. I pulled out of the gas station and got a quarter mile up the road and my new 2003 VW died. I had the car towed back to the dealership and told them that I called the Georgia Department of Agriculture to perform an inspection on the vehicle because I suspected the fuel had water in it. A few days later I received a report in the mail from the state of Georgia informing me that my fuel tank had more water than gasoline in it.

Ethanol or no ethanol, there is nothing that guarantees that the gasoline you are putting in your vehicle is the highest quality product available.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Jun 15, 2010, at 9:46 PM

Gas with ethanol has reduced the MPG value of my car from 27.6 to 24.3 so I do not see how it is more efficient.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 7:56 AM

I've have never heard anyone claim that ethanol blended gasoline was more efficient. I have always heard the opposite.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM

Did you get E10 or E85? Almost all gas stations in TN have E10 in their fuel and it is suppose to be safe for all vehicles. I've never heard of the E10 doing damage to a vehicle. E85 on the other hand is only ok for flex fuel vehicles. I have a flex fuel vehicle and was told to stay away from the E85 because it would kill my gas mileage, so I have never used the E85.

It sounds more like you had water in your tank from the fuel that you purchased. If it ever happens again, take your vehicle to a repair shop and have it looked at. If it is water, take the proof and the invoice to the retailer. They are responsible for paying the damages.

-- Posted by lucky2be on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 9:19 AM

Wasn't there a fuel additive available to counteract this issue for small engines? When I looked last, I could not find one.

I believe my small engines issues are related but maybe we can get a professional lawn care person into this conversation.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 9:31 AM

I've have never heard anyone claim that ethanol blended gasoline was more efficient. I have always heard the opposite.

-- Posted by nathan.evans

So, what exactly is the point of adding ethanol?

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM

Ethanol is suppose to cut back on exhaust fumes and be better for the environment.

As bad as it sounds, I would rather have better gas miles

-- Posted by Juju35 on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 11:09 AM

Steve,

I can't remember the name of the additive, but you are correct there is one available. We have had to replace two lawnmowers in eight years because of ethanol engine damage. I believe I saw the additive sold in one of the local stores that supplies farm equipment and feed.

Small engine manuals tell you to use "pure" gasoline, but where can one purchase that now?

OT (Off Topic) In another blog I mentioned a cat family living in a squirrel hole in one of our trees. Mama cat moved her healthy kittens out after a week (they were about 7-days old) and abandoned the runt. I am happy to say that he is going on four weeks old. Our dogs think he is their puppy and doing a fine job raising him with our help (feeding him - all our animals are spayed or neutered.) Credit also goes to our vet who over the phone quickly diagnosed "low blood sugar" and provided a quick homeopathic cure.

-- Posted by amalphia on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 1:27 PM

So, what exactly is the point of adding ethanol?

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM

Ethanol is a renewable energy source.

Ethanol production converts carbon dioxide to oxygen.

It keeps farmers employed.

Harvesting corn is safer for the environment than drilling for oil is.

Corn is grown in America, oil is primarily drilled in regions that do not like the United States.

While it is not the perfect solution to our problem, ethanol helps our economy because it allows us to keep more of our dollars here in the United States.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Small engine manuals tell you to use "pure" gasoline, but where can one purchase that now?

-- Posted by amalphia on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 1:27 PM

I think Phillips 66 sells gasoline without ethanol.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 1:33 PM

"""Ethanol is a renewable energy source.""

So is oil, it's just a question of the time frame involved.

"""Ethanol production converts carbon dioxide to oxygen."""

The mash needed for distilling ethanol produces CO2 as the yeast reacts with the corn and unfortunately, burning ethanol converts oxygen back to carbon dioxide

""It keeps farmers employed.""

So ethanol is a great subsidy???

"""Harvesting corn is safer for the environment than drilling for oil is."""

Does that distinction take into account fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, and genetically modified plants?

"""Corn is grown in America, oil is primarily drilled in regions that do not like the United States.

While it is not the perfect solution to our problem, ethanol helps our economy because it allows us to keep more of our dollars here in the United States."""

If we were allowed to drill in anwar or other areas inside the U.S., the above may not be true.

Nuclear energy should supply the majority of our energy today, but the same environMENTALists who cry loudest about oil are the ones who have blocked the construction of reactors.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 3:07 PM

Nathan.

When is the last time you bought beef. The beef prices are going up because the corn we used for feed is now used for gas.

I have found several gas stations in the area that sale gas. Not a mixture of alchohol and gas. My truck gets better milage on gas. Not the mixture.

Way to go Al Gore. Ya daggum quack.

I agree.

Mr. Green. With the 10.000 sq ft house. The only thing green about Big Al is his teeth.

-- Posted by bear on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 5:11 PM

where can i purchase NON ethanol gasoline??

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 6:23 PM

You can get it at 3 corners market in unionville or the little market between S'ville and M'boro at the Bedford, Rutherford county line.

-- Posted by bear on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 6:31 PM

By the way "I love you" your a major blessing. (She is my wife)

-- Posted by bear on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 6:33 PM

If he'd TELL me this stuff every once in a while haha....

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 6:36 PM

I believe the additive you are looking for is Stabil. They manufacture an additive that specifically deals with the ethanol problem. It is sold at Autozone, for sure. Other parts houses as well, possibly.

-- Posted by driedleaves on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM

"""Ethanol is a renewable energy source.""

***So is oil, it's just a question of the time frame involved.

If you think petroleum could be considered a renewable energy source then you are an idiot.

"""Ethanol production converts carbon dioxide to oxygen."""

****The mash needed for distilling ethanol produces CO2 as the yeast reacts with the corn and unfortunately, burning ethanol converts oxygen back to carbon dioxide

Did the corn used to create ethanol convert CO2 to Oxygen and water? Can petroleum do that?

""It keeps farmers employed.""

***So ethanol is a great subsidy???

You can call it a ham sandwich for all I care, I'll call it Americans working and supporting the economy.

"""Harvesting corn is safer for the environment than drilling for oil is."""

***Does that distinction take into account fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, and

genetically modified plants?

Growing corn to put a steak in your belly or the tiger in your tank requires using the same fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, and genetically modified plants so it is a moot point?

"""Corn is grown in America, oil is primarily drilled in regions that do not like the United States.

While it is not the perfect solution to our problem, ethanol helps our economy because it allows us to keep more of our dollars here in the United States."""

****If we were allowed to drill in anwar or other areas inside the U.S., the above may not be true.

Yeah we all see how well drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico has turned out. Let's go out and find another part of the world we can destroy. Spill baby spill!

****Nuclear energy should supply the majority of our energy today, but the same environMENTALists who cry loudest about oil are the ones who have blocked the construction of reactors.

When you engineer a car that runs on Mr. Fusion you let me know. Many environmentalists have changed their mind about nuclear power and now see it as a safe energy source. Europe, that socialist empire that you look down your nose at, is powered by nuclear power plants with new reactors being built all the time. You must have not read about that because you were busy trying to make petrol in your compost heap.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 10:19 PM

If an oil well on ground level had a leak, don't you think it would be much easier to fix than one that is 5,000 feet below sea level?

Electric cars would run on nuclear power, indirectly of course, but cars can utilize nuclear power non the less.

Parts of Europe have been using nuclear for decades, and the protests about nuclear power have ALWAYS come form one side of the aisle....now that the liberals have a super majority, why aren't they making different energy choices than Bush did?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 7:27 AM

Parts of Europe have been using nuclear for decades, and the protests about nuclear power have ALWAYS come form one side of the aisle....now that the liberals have a super majority, why aren't they making different energy choices than Bush did?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 7:27 AM

I don't care which side of the aisle a person sits on, in my mind almost all of them sell out the American people (the small people) to the global elitists that threaten to dominate the world and force our hand into the greatest revolution the planet has ever seen.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 7:43 AM

If an oil well on ground level had a leak, don't you think it would be much easier to fix than one that is 5,000 feet below sea level?

Electric cars would run on nuclear power, indirectly of course, but cars can utilize nuclear power non the less.

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 7:27 AM

Yes I agree.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 7:46 AM

I believe the CITGO station beside Captain D's sells gas without the ethanol additive but then again I prefer not to support that particular chain of gas stations since it is Venezuela-owned. Of course they too have had their own issues like BP with a huge oil spill at a Louisiana refinery and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is looking to collect what could add up to $2.2 billion in civil penalties in a Clean Water Act suit against the company.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM

BTW . . . France electrical needs are supplied 100% by nuclear power and any remaining power is sold to neighboring countries. Supposedly they have very advanced technology when it comes to building the reactors which makes them drastically safer to use and they have never experienced any situations like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 10:54 AM

Corner Market down the rd from Central has 100% gas. Also, Danny the owner, is a great guy to deal with. Not like the smug faces I see at the Kangaroos.

Concerning the safety of e10 vs e85, the e10 will still attract water and lots of it. My truck gets about 2-3 mpg less with the e10 vs straight gas. Also when running e10 in your vehicle you need to have your fuel filters changed alot more often. That has been my experience anyway.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 1:13 PM

Corn is one of the LEAST productive crops to use for ethanol. You can make ethanol from cat-tails or Jerusalem Artichokes and produce a MUCH higher yield.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 6:47 PM

Corn is just easy to say.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 10:53 PM

Sweet sorghum is the hot topic now in the ethanol circles, especially in the Southeast. Minnesota, Missouri and other Midwest states have a mandate that require a 10% ethanol blend to be used. You can buy 89 octane at several fuel stations in Missouri at the same price as 87 octane. As for problems, never heard on any on small engines or autos using the 10% blend from those states, only in Tennessee it seems a concern.

-- Posted by Grit on Sat, Jun 19, 2010, at 5:13 PM

The problem with artichokes and cattails is volume. For example, the Obion, Tennessee plant produces about 100 million gallons of ethanol annually; with a conversion of about 2.5 gallons per bushel of corn, it would then take about 40 million bushels of corn annually to keep this plant running. If you assume a yield of 150 bushels per acre for corn, then you are looking at about 266K acres of production. There is not 266K acres of corn grown in Middle Tennessee. There were 590K acres of corn grown in 2009 in all of Tennessee.

-- Posted by Grit on Sat, Jun 19, 2010, at 9:49 PM


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Lesa Cox has owned a cleaning service and a bookstore; now, she repairs and maintains computers for the elderly and others on a fixed income. She enjoys animals, gardening, books and fixing old cars. She and her husband have one son, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome.