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Budget cuts should focus on Welfare Reform, not Social Security Elimination

Posted Wednesday, July 13, 2011, at 12:19 PM

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It seems that with all the talk about budgets and reform, we inevitably encounter the debate of welfare reform. The original purpose of welfare was to help stop poverty. Our current system, in some ways, can actually do the opposite. I posted something similar to this a few years ago, but it's a subject that needs to be addressed again and again until someone takes notice and fixes the flaws in the current system. Instead of threatening our elderly and disabled--who are simply collecting the money they've paid in most of their lifetime--let's start by taking a look at our current welfare system...and better yet, why not put a cap on some of that wasteful spending in Washington, like our politician's $1,000 lunches, high-dollar "escorts," 30 mile helicopter flights, and other frivolous expenses which are submitted for reimbursement out of the 'tax-payer's' money every month!!??

Getting back to the subject at hand, the purpose of welfare should be to give people a hand up, to help them when they are down so they can again provide for themselves, not to keep them dependent upon the program, thereby keeping them down. Welfare is a safety net, but it should only be a "temporary" aid, not a permanent lifestyle. No one WANTS to be poor, but many CHOOSE to REMAIN poor.

I think Ronald Reagan said it best when he made the statement "welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence." It would have been an equally as effective and accurate statement had a Democrat said it.

The government has shown us time and time again how poorly run its current programs are--welfare is just one example where the government has "mucked things up." Why, then, would ANYONE trust the government to oversee their budget???

Over the years welfare has become a "crutch" for those who find themselves in need of it. The idea of helping your neighbor in a time of need has been around since biblical times. Modern welfare, however, has only been around since the Great Depression in the 1930s.

Voluntary charities and organizations, such as friendly societies and churches that devoted themselves to helping those in need, flourished in the days before the welfare state turned charity into a government function. Why have we [as a nation] lost sight of the "neighbor helping neighbor" philosophy?

Because the policy of high taxes and the inflationary monetary policy imposed on the American people in order to finance welfare programs have reduced the income available for charitable giving. Many over-taxed Americans take the attitude toward private charity that "I gave at the [tax] office."

There are many reasons why a person chooses to work--ambition, money, social acceptance, or just an old-fashion work ethic. Many people who live off of the government dime lack the incentive to find a job if they are receiving a monthly stipend for doing little to better themselves, or society. There is too much money going to too many people in our country who are just too lazy or uncaring to find a job--not all, but many--those looking to get something for nothing. We need to "reform" the current program and induce a motivator to prevent long-term welfare abuse, and to limit the ease in which one can continue to receive welfare. We need to educate.

Consider implementing programs to educate children who are "products of welfare," those whose parents continue to abuse the current system. Offer incentives for completing high school and getting a job or going to college. Yes, it's bribing children to strive for better, but what else works with kids? If we don't break the cycle, those children will most likely grow up to abuse welfare as well.

Why not entice those currently receiveing welfare--especially those receiving long-term benefits--to earn their own living? Get a job, keep the job and stay off welfare for x number of years, and get rewarded with $2,500 toward the downpayment on a house, a car, etc...that's just a euphuistic example, of course...but you get the point. We make it too easy to "keep a man down."

And if we can't come up with a way to get and/or keep the impoverished off of welfare, then put them to work. The states/counties make prisoners clean up trash from highways, etc., why not expect the same of others for whom the government supports? That is not to say that I am referring to welfare recipients as being of the same social element as prisoners, but they are in essence "prisoners" of the current cycle. Teach them to work, teach them a trade/skill, and teach them to be self-sufficient. There's an ancient Chinese proverb that most are already familiar with, "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime"--Author unknown.

It is my experiences in life that have shaped my political views. I will cite another example here:

My former daughter-in-law became pregnant at age 14, and my step-son was just 17 (at that time, 1993). They married, had a child, and went on public assistance (this was in the state of California). By age 20, she had birthed two more children. My step-son, who was bright, educated, and 23 chose to remain on AFDC, (aid for families with dependant children) MediCal, and foodstamps rather than work the daily grind. Why would someone purposely choose to remain in "poverty" rather than aspire to something better?

Because the government makes it so easy. Here's how:

My daughter-in-law/step-son/grandkids were receiving $764 in AFDC (keep in mind this was in the 1990s); $371 in FOODSTAMPS; MEDICAL which paid all necessary medical and dental care--without a deductible or co-pays; WIC (a food supplement program that provides milk, cheese, juice, cereal, and/or infant formula for Women, Infant, Children who fall within the income guidelines--the women must be pregnant or nursing, and children up to age 5); COMMODITIES(a government-funded monthly food dispursement program for low low-income families and Native Americans); low-income PHONE SERVICE (a reduced phone bill for low income families); low-income ELECTRIC (a reduced electric bill for low-income families); and even SUBSIDIZED HOUSING (their rent was $117 monthly). THEY LIVED QUITE COMFORTABLY WITHOUT HAVING TO WORK...AND THE "WORKING FOLKS" PAID FOR IT!

This is a true example of why so many welfare recipients become dependent upon "free government money." And there are many "single moms" receiving assistance who have live-in boyfriends who work...so those cases are "double-dipping." And let's not forget those individuals who sell drugs "under the radar" and bring unreported income into these government funded homes. Don't even bother saying it doesn't happen, because I KNOW it does. My ex-husband was a "die-hard" junkie.

My husband and I have had to work long, hard days to live not much better than my step-son/daughter-in-law did on welfare. Sometimes I wonder "why bother, why not just go on welfare and have the peace of mind that you will always have money, food, and medical care each month, instead of worrying about lay-offs and sales quotas, and can I pay the house payment?" And guess what, here it is 2011...18 years later, and my daughter-in-law (now divorced from my step-son) is still receiving welfare benefits for the three remaining children in her home. Add that up over 18 years, then multiply it by the millions just like her who are living off the welfare system and that amounts to a whole lot of your hard-earned tax dollars.

IT IS A FLAWED SYSTEM. OUR ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON FIXING-or REFORMING, as it were-THE CURRENT FAILURES THAT ARE IN PLACE, RATHER THAN IMPOSE NEW FAILURES--THEREBY CREATING MORE DEBT...AND MORE TAX!


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Well said!!

I have seen too many people live their lives off of welfare and teach their children to do the same. Just recently I saw a woman in Wal-Mart buying junk food, clothing and a pool - paid using an EBT card. Her daughter, who looked to be a teen with a set of twins, purchased baby clothing and food using WIC and EBT. Buy clothing for your children and food, I don't have that much problem with. But if you cannot purchase your own food, you DO NOT NEED a pool, cigarettes, beer, big screen TVs,etc. The EBT card is set up to help you out to survive. Not so you can live a lavish lifestyle while you are stealing other people's tax money.

An example for abusing SSI is a family member, that I no longer speak to, get SSI checks because she claims she cannot work because she is too overweight. But yet, she can go shopping to the malls, fishing, take 2-3 vacations a year and so on. The only time she has ever had a job, which was as a teenager. But she has been getting SSI and Medicaid since 1990. While her husband earns around 50k a year. She even signed her child up for SSI stating that she was a "slow learner" which classified her as handicap (which she wasn't; she could do math, write, spell, and everything everyone else could do but was a little slow to comprehend new stuff). After being approved she got checks for $800 a month. That doesn't sound like much, but for someone who never worked, didn't have any bills, and just sat around watching TV and playing video games all day it was a "shopping spree". I worked 2 jobs trying to support myself, my bills, and eventually my kids. I never had the internet or cable TV when I couldn't afford it. I didn't even get a cell phone until last year. But yet, they have 5 cars, everyone in their house has a cell phone, multiple PCs,etc. They are pretty much living rich on our tax money. I have called and tried to report them, but nothing was ever done about it.

As for the welfare system - IT IS BROKEN! Why reward teens and others to have babies, claim they don't know the dads, and get fat checks for them. It doesn't make any sense. That is why the actions are repeated over and over again, aka "the cycle" as Shawna has stated. The worst part is that EVERY single illegal and refugee that comes here, gets welfare, foodstamps, and WIC. While everyone else has to struggle.

Times are hard now, and people do need help with their bills, food, clothing, etc. Those are people that deserve help. But those who have not worked a day in their life or are simply too lazy or comfortable living off other's tax money, do not deserve the help.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 2:46 PM

As long as these people can vote, will they not continue to support those handing out our money?

Maybe those who are on the public support with no medical reason restricting them should lose their right to vote until they become self-supporting again.

How long would the politicians stay with them? WOuld it matter to those on support?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 2:54 PM

We should eliminate both.

Welfare encourages people not to work, have illegitimate children, and make other poor decisions.

Social security should also go away. Consider the average working life is from age 20 to age 70, fifty years. If a person can't get their finances in order in that amount of time and prepare for the time the will be unable to work, I don't know what to say. Everyone knows that time will come, unless we die beforehand.

Also SS has a horrible return on the investment, averaging about 3%. Private retirement accounts usually average 10-12%.

The city of Galveston Texas opted out of Social Security in the 1980's and their workers collect much more from their plans than they would have from SS. Notably, there are no grannies in Galveston living under bridges eating Alpo as some politicians predict would happen if Social Security was privatized.

There are SO MANY programs that could easily be cut, that listing them all would take the rest of the day.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 3:01 PM

Maybe those who are on the public support with no medical reason restricting them should lose their right to vote until they become self-supporting again.

-- Posted by stevemills

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Absolutely!!!

If you don't have "skin in the game" you shouldn't get to say how it's played.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 3:02 PM

PrpleHze

I agree fully with you to a certain extent the part I am not sure of is how anyone could tell if these are the truly needy or if they are playing the system. I believe in a lot of ways the government has made the process of rewarding bad behavior to lavish. EXAMPLE: Pell Grants: with college tuition rising again this year more and more students are going further into debt but if you are a single mom then; Poof!! you get a Pell grant that not only pays 100% of your college education but your living expenses also not to mention food stamps and child care expenses that you would receive. Isn't that promoting these young girls to get out and have children. I had a young woman tell me once she was going back to college..(she had 2 or 3 children) I said Good for you what are you studying to be? She replied Oh I don't want a job I am just going to college.

What the heck is wrong with this picture? We have students struggling to pay for their education so they can be productive citizens yet we are paying for this girl to be a professional student!!! You have to ask yourself How many more are we paying for that has no intention of ever getting a real job?

The idea of a Pell Grant is a wonderful idea and I am all for every student getting the education they need to someday be self sufficient but the idea of making you automatic eligible if you are a single mom is the worse idea I have ever heard of.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 3:19 PM

Article I, Section 8, Clauses 2 and 5.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

Clause 2. The Congress shall have Power To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 5. To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

These powers have been given to the Federal Reserve which isn't even a Federal Business or Company nor Organization. It is foreign to the united States. Since it is not Federal, it doesn't come under U.S. Federal Laws.

Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States.

The last time I heard, The United States is BROKE. The United States is BANKRUPT. What United States credit is the Constitution talking about?

Our President have taken care of that with Obama being the worse.

Re-read what you wrote then think about what President Obama has done to The United States and its people.

President Obama has put more people on welfare and Unemployment and Food Stamps than any other President.

Take those people off welfare, Soc. Sec. and Food Stamps and watch the people die and rot in your neighborhood because they have no friends or loved ones to help them or care for them. Watch the diseases out number the people who are alive and waiting for a medical handout themselves.

Stop blaming the poor. Oh there are some who shouldn't be on the programs, but that is why we have the services. It is their job to find out who needs these benefits and who doesn't. It is a matter of Government employees not doing their jobs like they are suppose to.

About 20 years ago I applied for Food Stamps just til I could get on my feet. I had a family to provide for.

I was told I didn't qualify because the previous year I made good money so that is what they had to determine my eligibility on. It was winter time and construction work was non-existing at that time. I didn't qualify for Food Stamps because I made money the year before. I have never gone back to the Government for anything!

I draw my Social Security because it was taken out of my paycheck when I was working. They claim Social Security has nothing to do with the Federal government, but the Government wants you to believe it is their money.

It is their money alright. The government has borrowed money from Soc Sec every since it was created to help retired people. It doesn't cover the cost of living by no means!

If you have listened to president Obama, he has said many, many times "We have to distribute the wealth". Just what does that mean? The Poor doesn't have anything to distribute and the rich are going to part with any of their wealth, so that leaves the Middle Class, which will bring them down into the poor class that gets Food Stamps, etc.

However, you want to do away with those programs, so you will be drug down to a poor Class with no financial help at all.

Can you see what you are doing?

It must start with the Rich Class that has the wealth. When it is redistributed to the poor, everyone will be in the working class.

with Socialism, you only have 2 classes of people. The Very Rich or Government masters and the slaves or the working Middle Class created by distributing the wealth.

Who created the desire for single moms to go back to college. Why it was President Obama and you know that. His reasoning was to make it look like the unemployment rate was dropping and people were back to work. A false Poll. It would only produce educated women who were hoping to find a job after they got an education. Like you said, a lot of these moms were only looking for the money to help support them and their children and help with the rent, food or other bills.

Obama also gave out what the people thought was help to rebuild by giving disaster victims a loan because of a state of emergency, only to find out the loans were called in so it would destroy any hopes, dreams and credit they may have had.

I can only warn so many people and they must think for themselves to survive.

Obama has kept on spending for the purpose of bankrupting the United States. The same thing Osama Bin Laden was attempting to do. Osama and Obama have succeeded. The United States is Bankrupt and can't pay its bills. Obama is threatening Congress with no Social Security checks if they don't raise the spending ceiling so he can pay on his debt he created.

Obama has devalued our US currency, so everything is sky-thigh in price. We have no one to blame but President Obama and his spending.

The cost of everything has gone up except the value of your home.

How did that happen? Anytime everything goes up, homes would go up in value also. This was a deliberate attack on the American people to devalue their property so the Government or the banks could repossess your property because you can't keep paying the price of a high valued home which is less in value than their existing mortgage. The Government just Stole every single penny you had in equity on you home. You couldn't sell your home for enough money to buy another home. You are stuck in the same home until they foreclose on you.

President Obama should be impeached not re-elected.

All of these events lead to President Obama destroying The United States of America and destroying the American people as well.

This redistributing the wealth is what the bible speaks of when it say without the mark of the beast you will not be able to buy nor sell.

What can the poor really buy today unless the system gives them a way to do it? The Mark of the Beast is just around the corner.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 7:05 PM

I thought maybe we could bring our troops home and keep them on the payroll, just eliminate the overseas pay and combat pay. As U.S. Troops on duty, they could guard our borders.

Can't do that. President Bush signed a treaty with Canada and Mexico that stated there would be no border fences or walls.

Why would the President sign such a treaty? Well, because it is in the works right now for The United States, Canada and Mexico to become one county. The North American Union. That would allow all three countries to mingle together as one country.

Congress would no longer be our superior Legislators.

We would then come under The United Nations in a One World Order. I have been speaking of this for years, but people still refuse to believe the Government would sell us out like that.

People you have already been sold out. Obama has taken everything away from you just since he became President.

So now we have to deal with not only a One World Order, but having to live with Canadians and Mexicans anywhere they can afford to buy, and they will be able to buy more than most Americans.

Has no one not noticed that the Mexicans are still coming into America and are getting amnesty to stay in our country.

Even the NAFTA Super Highway is being built as I speak that WILL connect Mexico with Canada by going straight throw Middle America from Laredo, Texas, to Kansas City, KS and on to Duluth, Minnesota and also Winnipeg, Canada. Farm land is being taken away from farmers by Eminent Domain so the Highway can continue Northward and Eastward.

These are the Roads and Bridges and High Speed Rail Projects Obama has been talking about. Not so much for the people but for International Commerce.

Thes Highways will be reworked Interstate highways I-35, I-29, and I-94 and the significant east/west connectors to those highways in the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

Right now they are concentrating on Lazaro Cardenas, Mexico to the Kansas City Corridor.

A sole railroad bridge connects the United States with Mexico at Laredo, Texas.

So... why worry about who is on Welfare and Food Stamps or Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid?

We will all be on it soon enough. With the Mexicans and Canadians living and working in America, who is going to find a job in America. You may have to go to Canada or Mexico to find work. I bet those people won't be as understanding as our government has been to them. Americans will have to know how to speak the Mexican language to get a job there.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 7:54 PM

Take a minute to educate yourselves folks. STATES determine what Medicaid benefits they will cover. Not the feds. The feds approve the plan the states send, which is called a State Plan, and the feds pay around 55% of the bill. If you have an issue about who is covered and what they get, call your Governor, because he or she makes the final decision.

There is no fat check. ADC, as one commentor reported, is gone. Clinton eliminated all of that stuff in the 90's. Any benefits are based on household income...not the woman's income. If you know of someone who has an unreported roommate, call the Medicaid hotline and report it.

Most programs, aside from disability programs, do not cover adults with no kids. Benefits are based on income, not marital status. Working parents who make minimum wage are getting benefits. Of course if Americans had access to affordable healthcare most Medicaid benefits could go away. I have seen big chain stores bring Medicaid case workers in to explain these "benefits" to their employees. These employers keep wages low so employees can access public healthcare (instead of company healthcare) and profits stay high.

As a single laid off mom with three kids I got just enough unemployment to pay the mortgage. That was all it covered. Fortunately, I was able to get back to work without losing anything or requiring additional assistance. Typically, unemployment only lasts 6 months; but these aren't typical times.

Yes...there are people who live really bad lives on the system, but for most it really is a temporary help, or simply covers medical care when no other medical care is available.

And as a side note...Canada has fabulous medical coverage, and an incredible college tuition assistance program. Going there makes sense, coming here does not. The Mexican language is Spanish. It has been readily available as a course of study in most high schools for a very long time. However, there currently are not many jobs there. I don't recommend heading south just yet.

-- Posted by Sherm on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 9:19 PM

Sherm,

Living off of unemployment benefits is different than abusing the welfare system. Those are benefits that you deserve and have worked for. But for someone who gets a SSI or welfare check and has never worked for it, then there is a problem.

As for the "big fat checks" - yes people are still getting them. I have seen some of the checks that people would get when I worked as a cashier years ago. Sometimes the checks would be between hundreds to thousands of dollars a month. When I lived in Smyrna in 2004, my neighbor had 4 kids and didn't work. Her husband worked in construction. She claimed that none of the kids were his and she didn't know the father. So she received welfare for the 4 kids which totaled around $1000+ a month. Not including food stamps and the free health insurance. Our rent was $650 a month in a two story apartment. So her check a month covered pretty much all of her expenses. While we were working for everything that we were getting.

I know that the federal government is not entirely at fault with the broken system. But they can mandate it. Stop rewarding people for making bad judgements, as someone has suggested. Why tell teens and others that it's okay to get pregnant, you'll get a check every month as well as help to go to college? And they can get section 8 or other help so they don't have to pay a dime and just live off of the system? Again, there are people who need help and I am all for that. But, there are some that are just lazy and don't want to work when they can get everything for free.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 9:47 PM

Well said PrpleHze. I think a few commenters are missing the point...we are seeking the reform of the current welfare system as it stands, not the entire elimination of it. Welfare should be a temporary helping hand, not a permanent hand-out.

True there are people who really need welfare, but the government has structured it in such a way as to make it enticing to live off someone else's dime rather than ever attempt to get off the system and make one's own living. As exampled above, my (ex)daughter-in-law is still living off the system after 18 years...and by the time the youngest of her four children turns 18 she will simply file for SSI based soley on the fact that she is "incapable of providing for herself, having never held a job in her entire life."

And as for the elimination of those 'Fat Checks,' you might want to take a ride to the bankrupt state of California where the average welfare family is still drawing $800+ monthly, plus mediCal, foodstamps, WIC (if applicable), Section 8 [HUD] housing, etc. No offense Sherm but you are fooling yourself if you think that the majority of welfare recipients are only on welfare temporarily and because they have exhausted all other options.

The truth is that the majority of welfare recipients are victims of a vicious cycle of poverty...babies having babies and turning to the welfare system for support because it is the only life they've known. I don't blame the poor, I blame the system. It's time we help them find another way to live. By providing them the tools to become self-sufficient we are not only offering a better way of life, but are encouraging self-worth, self-esteem, independance and a feeling of accomplishment...something many welfare/SSI recipients are lacking as a result of society's welfare labeling.

I don't propose to have all, or even any of the answers, but I do know that we cannot continue on the way we are. While our country falls deeper into debt our economic state becomes more and more oppressed. It's time we make a "CHANGE" for the better.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 10:48 PM

I'm just chiming in to point out that Pell Grants might have been like that years ago, but they've been getting cut more and more since the early '80s. I've never heard of anyone getting a Pell Grant that paid all of their tution and living expenses.

-- Posted by cfrich on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 11:24 PM

Welfare should be the same as unemployment. If you aren't looking for a job and you aren't a US citizen, you shouldn't get it.

If you are working, you should be paying back into the system like everyone else.

-- Posted by tbdyer on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 6:48 AM

Excellent point tbdyer. And yes cfrich, I've never heard of a Pell Grant paying all of your expenses. I went to college in the 1990's and received a Pell Grant, and I can assure you even with more than $8,000 in scholarships that I was awarded on merit, I still had to hold a job and take out a student loan (of course I was raising 4 kids at the time too). On a side note, I've finally paid my student loan down to $900 after all these years...can't wait to be free of it.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 11:29 AM

No you didn't understand what I was saying or maybe I didn't explain it well enough for you:

For instance: A 18 year old girl graduates high school she lives at home with her parents and doesn't work she is a dependant student FASA uses her parents income to make her eligible for Financial aid. Say her parents make 70,000 a year she does not qualify for FASA = Zero Aid the best she can qualify for is the Hope.. But if this same girl has a baby still living at home she then becomes a Independent student because she has a child making her eligible for ALL the benefits of Financial aid.

Pell Grant= 5500

FSEOG =4000

Hope Tnlottery= 4000

Hope Access= 2750

plus in house financial aid from a state university.

Please do not get me wrong I believe a college education is important especially in this day and age and every child should have the opportunity to attend but as you can see there is a BIG difference in what is given in benefits for a girl with a child VS a girl without a child.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 1:31 PM

Thanks for the info dianatn...you just saved me a lot of research for my 16 year who's on track for college. Actually, she plans to start at Motlow in the Fall for dual credit during her junior and senior year.

Maybe the best fix in your scenario above would be for said girl to move out of her parent's home and then be termed an independent student and eligible for all benefits of financial aid. She can use the "gray" areas here to her advantage by renovating her parent's garage and having them list it in the classified ads as a rental. She then "rents" it for herself and is no longer 'technically' living with her parents in their home, but is instead maintaining a separate residence and paying rent (and the amount of rent her parents set can be as little as $1.00). Tricks of the trade from my days working in a law firm....there's a loophole for everything. Pregnancy is definitely no answer to anything...take it from the woman who's had six children.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 2:09 PM

Shawna

Moving out of your parents home does not classify you as a Independent student,

According to FAFSA to be declared a Independent student you must be one of the following:

1.You are enrolled in a Masters program, Doctorate Degree, or graduate Certification program

2.You have a child or children that are your legal dependent(s)

3.You are married

4.You are under the age of 24 and both of your parents are deceased

5.You were a ward of your state until you were 18 years of age

6.You are 24 years of age or older

7.You are a Veteran of the United States Armed Force

8.You were a foster child after the age of 13.

9.You are an emancipated child as determined by a court judge.

10.You are homeless or at risk of homelessness as determined by the director of a HUD approved homeless shelter, transitional program, or high school liaison.

And this was just hypothetical as an example of the differences in aid someone can receive with a child vs someone without a child.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 2:35 PM

Sorry about that dianatn, I graduated college in 1999 and have not had to research it much since and do not have the time to spare now. Thanks for the clarification, it could prove useful someday. Evidently you've had some history here.

I guess then, based on the info you supplied above (item #10) the correct loophole would be to stay in a homeless shelter for a few nights, or even weeks and then be deemed independent. Let's see, a few nights/weeks in a homeless shelter to gain, what hundreds/thousands in Pell Grant funding...seems worth it. And before anyone pops up regarding homeless shelters, I was forced by circumstance (and pride) to stay in one in Red Bluff, California with three children (the youngest just 2 months old) when I was 21. I do have personal history on that topic.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 5:56 PM

Actually Shawna I do not know about this from first hand experiences. We had to actually pay for college: Didn't qualify for aid parents made to much money but I have researched it extensively trying to find loop holes for some other people.. none are there. You either qualify or you don't. It probably takes less time to research Pell Grants than it takes to write a blog but I guess it is all in what is important to you as to how you spend your time.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 7:02 PM

lol...

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 10:14 PM

I wrote the blog on welfare reform and researched for that topic in 2009, when I originally posted this...which took me maybe 10 minutes to reword and re-post. I did not write it on Pell Grants, and I assume it would take more than 10 minutes to research the subject, which I would eventually have needed to do, but since you've already done the research on that topic there is no need for me to do so and you've actually saved me some needless online searching, I'm sure...I do appreciate your input.

You know I took a 9 month leave from blogging altogether not long ago, including commenting, because I also didn't have time for the ridiculous tit-for-tats that commenters seem to get into here. I do wish T-G would require users to supply a "real name" to identify themselves before allowing comments...it would save a lot of time and grief to those of us writing the blogs (btw, this was not directed at you dianatn, there are few commenters I've run across over the years who cower behind their anonymous user name in order to 'blast' our opinions, and they are simply that...opinions).

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 10:31 PM

Did litle ol me stir all this up over pell grants. I was only speaking from memory about the amount from a couple years ago when Obama was trying to cut the budget. Whether or not they decreased it that much I couldn't say.

There was a big news article on it back then.

I don't save all the news articles because I have used so many for references that I would have to have a separate computer just for all the information.

I personally have a unique username and I like it and it fits. I expose all the lies I can.

Because of what I expose, I would not like my brothers and sisters getting harassed by strangers who don't know what they are talking about.

Take Ms Casey Anthony for example. The whole country would like to see her executed AFTER she was found NOT Guilty. That makes everyone who goes after her, just as much a criminal as she was found not guilty of.

If a mob gathers around Casey Anthony and she winds up dead in a pool of blood, everyone at the scene of the murder could be tried with Felony Murder/Manslaughter because a death occurred while they were all gathered around her to commit a Felony crime. Just fighting someone is a Felony in this country. Especially if they have to be treated for injuries, like a broken nose, black eye, cuts and bruises, and the likes.

That means all those tough guys who get in fights could lose their rights to buy a gun, be around a gun and would not be allowed to vote etc., etc.. is it worth it?

Welfare is just that. I think just about everyone has fallen on tough times and needed help. There are some fortunate people who have never had to ask for help.

It is coming in the future. The richer upper Middle Class will feel the inflation the worst. They will lose their fortunes in the Stock Market and bank failures. They stand to lose more than the poor who have already been there done that.

Look at the Real Estate Market. How many people lost their Profits and Savings when the value of Homes came Crashing Down. Oh they can buy cheaper now, but only the wealthy will be able to buy them.

Look at the Auto Manufacturers. They got a healthy Bail out sum of Tax Payer Dollars and Japan had to shut down and couldn't supply needed parts to American Auto Manufacturers. Just how many cars do you think will be recalled because of inferior parts used while Japan was shut down. Japan furnished parts for gas injectors to give the cars better gas mileage. What did Auto Manufacturers use?

Food prices are climbing right on up and will remain because of flooding, tornadoes, earthquakes and government interference.

You may have the money but if the product isn't there... what's a guy to do?

It is just a matter of time before all the banks have to close their doors because of people needing their money to live on, leaving the banks with no money because they were allowed to loan 90% of every dollar deposited. Where would the banks get all that money they loaned out to pay you your share? FDIC? It's bankrupt also. It couldn't bail the banks out, King Obama would have to take more of your taxpayer dollars to help the local banks or they would just have to lock their doors! Humm, Guess what? We Lose again!

Do I have to prove any of this? No way! There is no way to prove it. All you can do is wait and see what happens.

Will it be too late for YOU?

Look at what I have said about king Obama. There is nothing he has done to my knowledge that warrants him being re-elcted, However, I have said over and over again, Obmam will be re-elected. You look at all the Polls on him and the people still think the king is doing a great job.

Reminds me of Mr. Ed Schultz on MSNBC. He was all for getting Glenn Beck off FOX because of his lies and depressing talk show.

Mr. Ed Schultz turns right around and calls Laura Ingraham A 'right-wing slut' and then a 'talk slut' because she was against what he believed. She made a comment about Obama drinking beer in Ireland while MO was cleaning up their disaster. He was let go and he apologized to his listeners. After some sucking up, he was right back on the air. WHY? He was no better than Glen Beck, in fact, he was worse because he said something that wasn't true. At least Glen Beck told the truth on his show.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 15, 2011, at 3:09 PM

This is the welfare queens argument that folks are making, although I do respect the author and her account, using outdated and misleading 20 year old facts and information is wrong and misleading.

Fact 1. AFDC has long been gone and inflation eats it

, TANF is low, in Mississippi your welfare benefit

hundreds of dollars a month, try $110 for the first person,$36 for the second person,$24 for each additional person see Mississippi Poor Leave Welfare, But For What?

2. Food stamps cannot be given to able bodied adults although if you have kids you can get it,

WIC is supported by conservatives and goes to little kids for its majority and only staple foods

3. The majority of federal spending goes towards defense, social security, medicare, and medicaid 8%(however its matching funds and is not always considered welfare) which can be abused by the elderly who sell homes to get nursing home.

Less than 1-2% of the federal budget goes towards tanf, as for food stamps those are on the choping block and that accounts for less than 3% of the federal budget, wic even less,

4. Not every welfare recipient has subsidized housing, if they don't then they are in trouble which is usually the case, in case you do not have section 8 or nycha you have to pay rent out of pocket, and utility assistance is very low, in any case I welcome the author to see how long the wait list is 5-10 years for these programs and budget cuts mean that this programs account for less.

So if tanf cost the feds $15-20 billion and food stamps $80 billion , and social security costs 700

, who is to believe, and you will never here "conservatives" say this, instead they will say its all welfare and further cuts and then say its too much and further cuts, and then say its too much of the federal budget and so on.

-- Posted by FactChecker on Fri, Jul 15, 2011, at 5:07 PM

Cities, Counties and States get down on their knees and beg the feds to give them handouts in the form of Grants.

That seems to be okay with taxpayers because it is Grants and may or may not have to be paid back by the City, County and State beggars. They isn't getting welfare checks or Food Stamps (which don't even exist today). It is just good business with States and the Federal Government. WRONG!

The Feds offer help to schools, but have control over them when they do. The Federal Government helps the poor people with Food, Housing, Welfare Checks, Medical expenses, but then the Federal government controls them. The Federal Government gives Grants to Cities, Counties and States, then has control over them.

President Kennedy once said, "Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country." Sounded kind of Patriotic back then. However, President Kennedy was trying to warn the American people of what the Country was doing to us!

Now if you have been watching things, you will see that our Country has been handing out Financial Help to the Churches in America. This is so the Federal Government will have control over them as well, or do as I believe they will do. Foreclose on the churches taking the churches away from the people, so the Muslim Churches will be the majority.

You see, the Federal Government can call in Loans anytime they want to. Just ask people who got loans to rebuild after the Hurricahes, Tornadoes, Fires and Floods.

In order to realize these things, you have to stay several steps ahead of the government's actions.

For example;

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell has developed a plan to pass increases in the debt ceiling automatically with no real spending cuts and under this scheme, the debt limit will be raised automatically three times in this Congress alone, handing the Executive Branch even more power;

If the Democrats refuse it they will be going against their Demo king. If the Republicans vote against it King Obama could stop Soc. Sec. checks or a number of other programs.

Knowing what I know, just by watching the heinous acts of King Obama and Congress, they will raise the debt ceiling and cut our declining money in half again. There goes your summer vacations.

FactChecker, Check 'em Facts out!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 15, 2011, at 9:16 PM

Each year, the U.S. Census Bureau calculates what the national poverty rate is and how many people are living in poverty. For 2008, the poverty rate was about $22,000 for a family of four. There were approximately 39 million people considered living at or below the poverty rate. According to the US Census conducted in 2010, those totals rose to about 45 million people, or more than 1 in 7 Americans were in poverty in 2009.

Means-tested programs are limited to those at or below the poverty line. However, many welfare benefits go beyond this threshold to include persons who have incomes below 200 percent the poverty level, or about $44,000 per year for a family of four. Close to one-third of the U.S. population falls within this income range. A family of four at this income level would be ELIGIBLE for approximately $28,000 worth of federal and state welfare benefits per year!!!

The Obama Blueprint to Spend More and Expand the Welfare State...

Of the 70 different means-tested programs run by the federal government, almost all of them have received generous increases in their funding since President Obama took office. Some have also been expanded to include more people who would be eligible for the benefits. A good example of this is food stamps, officially known as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance.

The President's 2011 budget requests that food stamps spending rise from $39 billion (already a record level) to $75 billion. Obama's 2011 budget also requests these expansions be made permanent. In addition, eligibility for this program was expanded in the infamous "stimulus" package. Within President Obama's first year in office, food stamp rolls grew by over 5 million people--the single largest increase in a one-year period in over three decades.

Obama's New and Expansive Poverty Measure...

The Obama Administration announced that it is creating a new poverty measure to be unveiled in the fall of 2011 that would redefine who is considered "poor" in America. This new measure will dramatically increase the number of people considered to be living in poverty in the U.S.

New York City recently adopted a similar poverty measure to the one being developed by the Obama Administration. Under the current federal measure of poverty, the city's poverty rate fell from 19.1 percent in 2005 to 17.76 percent in 2008. However, under the new poverty measure the 2008 rate rose to 22 percent. The translation of these numbers into federal dollars for benefits would be significant and very costly.

Continuing the Failed War on Poverty...

Unfortunately, only one of the 70 federal welfare programs, the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program, has work requirements for its recipients. The 69 others merely provide a basic need and allow families to stay on the welfare rolls indefinitely.

The Obama Administration's expansion of the welfare state, in combination with its effort to define poverty up, does not bode well for economic freedom in the United States.

Source....

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-s...

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 12:40 AM

I would like to clarify that I do NOT oppose welfare in general, and I do believe that there are times when someone should have that 'crutch' available to help them through a rough patch...divorce leading to single parenting, unexpected job loss, injury/illness, etc. And anyone who says "oh, I would never accept a handout or go on welfare," has never experienced true hardship. You can't know what you would do in the face of extreme poverty or homelessness. Would you be so prideful and selfish as to let your child starve before signing up for temporary aid?

I am merely pointing out the many flaws within the current system, and the continual "flood" of funding to entice more families to take advantage of the system. Welfare is meant to be temporary aid, not a permanent lifestyle. And I've seen too many cases first-hand--right here in Bedford county--where a single mom has a live-in boyfriend, relative, friend, etc. and is not reporting that portion of income. Not only is that unfair, it's illegal.

I further think it is appalling that the president would aim his threats at the elderly or disabled, yet ask for more funding to support welfare programs. And what about the recent threat to military employees? I have a son serving in the US NAVY who is expecting his first child in four weeks, and instead of feeling the joy of impending fatherhood, he is worrying about whether or not he will receive a paycheck for risking his life in times of war.

I do believe we need to spend money on defense...I, for one, do not wish to be oppressed by another country, do you? The only reason we are still a 'free' country is because those who wish to become our oppressors fear our strong military defense. Although I don't feel we need to spend quite as much on defense as we do...some of the satellite spending seems over-the-top...and the 'war' is long over, so why not bring our troops home and stop pouring billions upon billions to beat a dead horse? But hey, that's my opinion...nothing more.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 1:18 AM

I am going to say this then I am done with this subject:

Obama is not on my list of favorite people I did not vote for him nor did I support his policies.

And certainly will not support his efforts to be re-elected BUT

Obama has ask for the increase in Food Stamps and welfare because we now have 43.6 million people receiving Food Stamps as of Nov 2010 due to the fact that the employment rate is stagnant. Not to mention we have a true number of unemployed of about 20% the unemployment rate is calculated by those looking for work (or you might as well say those receiving benefits because that's how they know you are looking for work) there is a estimated 1 million more Americans who have run out of benefits completely and given up on the job market thus are not counted into the unemployment rate. For every new job opening there are 6 Americans looking for a job.

Now experts say those who have lived on welfare their entire lives are not in the unemployment rate they never collected unemployment benefits to begin with...why you ask ?? Because they have never worked!!!!

It is a known fact the longer you are out of work the harder it becomes to find a job... in fact many places (even here in Shelbyville) if you have been out of work for 6 months or more they will not even consider you for employment. That turns into a vicious cycle..

I hate the fact the days of quitting a job on Friday and having another one just as good on Monday are long gone and probably will not be returning in our lifetime.

Do we need welfare reform??? Most certainly but this is not the time for reform not when so many Americans depend on it for their families because of no fault of their own. It isn't like they can just run out and pick up a job when they lose their food stamps. People have been playing the system for years and years...the unemployed and underemployed are not part of that number and should not be punished for something that should have been corrected years ago.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 10:00 AM

My issue is not with welfare, but the issue of cutting SS to those of us who have been paying into it along with the taxes we also pay to the govt. to support those who are not paying any taxes. Whether they can find a job or not, they can continue to provide evidence that they are trying. I do not want anyone to suffer but we can all make better choices and be even more responsible for those choices when relying on someone else's hard work and income.

-- Posted by tbdyer on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 12:13 PM

I want to add those comments...

I was lay off and lay on unemployment and search the job with no lucks and I went on disability.

I understand the different welfare and SSI. The retired or disability check aren't the same but out there I met some people can fake being disability because the agent or who case worker didn't verify annual report or so on.

I want to say that I am not proud to use disability and I worked for 12 years until laid off from job. They are looking at my disability because I can't hear. I feel that disability is fine with me because somewhat those people who choose to not hiring me. I am fine because you guy are pay for it, I am not point you guy and I am saying who those decide not hire me and they are one who cause to made more debt on American Debt over the disability because my deafness prevent me to look job from low pay to top pay with no luck. Until I got job a month ago as I was on SSDI for 6 months and start job 1 month ago... I am very happy that the manager doesn't look at my disability but my skills. I accept with minimum pay. I met many Deaf people who are on SSI for LONG TIME and NO JOB. They are one have to go... image that all Deaf people have job and have all TAX done and all that we will be FINE without borrow CHINA money.

I don't see how Obama promises to create job to improve for us as equal and respect and so on.

I am not going to vote him because I don't want see us into crush and deal with debt and so on. I think that welfare and SSI went out of control. Such as I heard news from member family who work for SS and learn about client who use food stamp trading for drug. Is that a good thing to kept people going on Drug. Obama did is NOTHING

and we are the people and we should march to those work for Obama out. OUT.. However I feel strange receiving from SSDI because the agent say that American is curse because they have to pay you and taken care of you due you are Deaf and they didn't want you work as you want work as equal.

-- Posted by okreader on Sun, Jul 17, 2011, at 3:19 AM

If we had a good economy there would be less need for helping agencies, however there will always be people who will need help for one reason or another.

This is to be expected. However, Obama has made sure that this economy won't recover. He has done everything he could think of to make sure it doesn't.

As America's poorest wait for Social Security checks that may never come on Aug. 3, President Barack Obama will be out celebrating a milestone birthday at a party where tickets cost up to $35,800 each.

Obama has chosen the first day of the potential default to throw his 50th birthday bash, combining it with raising money for next year's Barack Obama, Birthday, Debt Ceilingelection. His actual birthday is Aug. 4.

That is how much king Barack Obama Loves his country and his people. He is just like all the other kings who only think of themselves, that we as a country, have had to go in and remove from rulership.

How does this make Barack Obama any different from the Leaders in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria or any other country ruler that lies to its people.

Soon we will all be in a Relocation Center excepting whatever they will give us to eat. Not because you want to be on welfare, but because you are forced to relocate under the orders of FEMA.

I would rather be killed by a Nuclear Explosion than to be relocated and cared for by FEMA or any other government agency.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Jul 17, 2011, at 2:41 PM

I agree.

If Obama is so concerned about passing the budget by Aug 2nd, then why party on that day? It's like when you are at work and your lead or boss tells you that everyone has to do overtime because the company is behind. And while you are slaving away, he/she is in their office with other department heads having a party. That doesn't make any sense.

As for relocation, a saying that I have always remembered is "History always repeats itself." There have been so many relocations here in the US from the relocating of the Native Americans,etc. This actually wouldn't surprise me. I mean the government can walk up and take your property if they want because you may pay your house off....but you will NEVER own the land. You may think that you do, but you still have to pay property tax on it and abide by the laws in your area concerning what you can and cannot do to your property.

My children and I were discussing about King Obama's re-election. And we have come to the conclusion that IF he wins re-election, then we will truly know that his win was fixed. Meaning that the voting system is broken, along with just almost every other system in the US.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM

That is exactly how I thought earlier, however I am seeing polls and news reporters who still worship king Obama, thinking he has done something good!

They must have their head buried in the sand.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 4:06 PM

This is one of the best blogs I've read on here in awhile. When the ones on government assistance outnumber the one ones who work, we are in trouble. Like right about now. Entitlements are what's breaking the government. Why can't government contract like any other business in a down cycle does? Look at the layoffs GM( now Goverment Motors) did. Get by with what you have and drop the rest.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 10:11 PM

That is what Republicans want. To downsize government agencies and jobs. U.S. Government has the biggest employment rate of any corporation. It's time to close some useless offices and use that money for real stuff.

If Obama raises the taxes on middle class and not the rich, the unemployment rate will increase higher yet forcing more people on welfare and unemployment. The people will start taking their money out of the banks to live on causing the banks to fail.

If King Obama gets the debt ceiling raised he will spend all of it and need more to pay government workers and military paychecks or will threaten to cut Soc Sec again and again until he is out of office.

This raised debt ceiling will mean everything is going to cost more even on top of losses because of droughts, flooding and disasters world wide, not just in America.

King Obama's answer is to raise the debt ceiling so he can pay the interest on the loans of the United States Federal Corporation and put hundreds of more people out of work and on the very programs he is threatening to take money out of.

What kind of a plan is that?

The only answer is to (first impeach Barack Obama), stop spending, eliminate hundreds of government jobs at the risk of raising the unemployment rate, and stop interfering with small business. Take the money and pay the debts. The small businesses will hire people if left alone, so they know what they can and can't do in the future.

TAX the Big Corporations like the constitution was set up to do, make the Income Tax a uniform tax like it is suppose to be, making everyone pay the exact same % of tax (on their Income) no matter how big or small the individual or business or Corporation is. That is what the Constitution calls for. Obey it and the system would work.

If a Corporation doesn't have to pay their fare % rate as everyone else, they are cheating the government out of trillions of dollars a year. If the Government is giving big Corporations billions of dollars in bonuses (each Quarter) the Government is cheating the American people out of their taxpayer money.

The problem (as always) lies with the government taking what is not theirs and giving it to people, persons and things that don't deserve it.

I am not talking about persons on welfare, free or limited housing, SNAP, WIC and etc., etc..

The FREELOADERS are the Rich!

The rich are getting free money simply because they are rich and don't have to pay taxes on most of it.

What do the poor FREELOADERs get? A free house? Not in the wildest dreams. They have to pay for it or get out. As they find work the rent is raised so high they have to leave and it all starts all over again with needing help again.

FREE FOOD? If you think you can live on what the agencies give out in Food Stamps or SNAP, think again.

You have to be middle class to even qualify for assistance. If you don't have a lace to stay, a way to cook food, utilities which isn't free, you can't get help.

If you have a car or a home, they tell you to sell them and live on what you get.

I hate to tell all of you this, but there are going to be a lot more people fall into the grip of the system. The Federal Damned if you do and damned if you don't system.

Vote to cut all the programs that YOU will be on in a very few short years.

It's like Chef Boy R.D. said, "When the ones on government assistance outnumber the one ones who work, we are in trouble." Look around you, We ARE in Trouble!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 11:49 AM

CHef, Gm has put most of their workers back on the job. Springhill from what I understand is back up and running as normal.... When we give all the power and wealth to the top 2% of the country we the people are in trouble..... Those tax BREAKS are nothing more than wall street welfare, and have cost us over a trillion dollars - all in the so called name of job creation ummmm where are the jobs? since they were put in place the jobs have disappeared at an amazing rate. GM was a loan, and they brought back the jobs, and have repaid almost all of it- what have the wealthy done beside hoard the money?

Ok folks the cry for smaller government -- Then want to put in a "SUPER CONGRESS" to cram through what they can not get in the normal one.. This is oh so very wrong. It will basically castrate the power of the Constitution. Who will decide WHO is chosen to be in it - You know darn well they will not be elected by the PEOPLE, since they are being put there to by pass those who already have been. They will be able to force through anything they want, no questions asked. How long do you think it would take them to completely take over the government and make it a dictatorship? The republicans have shown they have every intent to take over, and this would be the first step to achieve that agenda. Anything that calls for changes to the constitution MUST be stopped!!! Our rights are being stripped more and more with every bill they propose. They can not Get their way following the rules so they want to change them to suit their agenda. THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED !!!!!!!

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 11:49 AM

Your Super Congress you speak of has already been done in the past.

How do you think the Congress got the 14th Amendment passed? They had to prevent the southern states from having a vote on the 14th Amendment to get it passed. The Southern states were barred from voting on the amendment because they were branded as rouge states. The state legislators were kicked out of office and a new legislature was created by congress that would vote for the 14th Amendment.

REASON? It was important to congress to get the 14th Amendment passed, so Congress would have sovereignty over a class of people.

Once it was passed, congress would keep this hidden from the people so they could use the 14th Amendment to rule the American people (the Sovereignty of this country) by trickery.

If the people thought they were under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Government (like the 14th Amendment implies) Congress could make laws ruling ALL the People without constitutional restrictions and limitations.

However, there are Patriotic groups out there who have revealed this to the people and making it harder for congress to overthrow the people.

That is way anyone who stands up for their constitutional rights is a trouble maker and on the FBI's list as a Terrorist.

THE UNCONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE 14th AMENDMENT:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.ht...

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 3:21 PM

You infamous General Motors Payback.

"The hype is not the reality," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, wrote in a column on FoxNews.com over the weekend. "It is far from clear how GM and the Obama administration could honestly say, much less trumpet in prime time television ads, that GM repaid its TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) loans in any meaningful way."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/...

Senator Charles Grassley wrote a letter last week to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner expressing his concerns and asking for more information about why the company was allowed to use bailout money to repay bailout money.

The $6.7 billion is also just a fraction of the $52 billion General Motors received in government aid. Grassley said lawmakers are being told government losses on GM are expected to exceed $30 billion.

The GM ad could potentially land the company in trouble with the Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."

I saw one of their ads where the employees were speaking out about taking a cut in pay so GM could pay back their loan and get back on their feet, and I saw very few workers on the assembly lines.

Of course, today they should be doing better with all the help they got and not paying their loan off yet and employees taking cus in pay to help the giant.

The rich just keep on taking.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 4:04 PM

Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."

How funny !!!!! If that law was indorsed - most of those writing commercials for political candidates would be in jail as we speak!!!

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Jul 27, 2011, at 10:15 AM

'The Republican answer on how to preserve jobs was to block FAA funding, 4000 FAA workers furloughed and construction projects in all 50 states to upgrade safety, lighting, improve control towers halted affecting thousands of private sector jobs...just to bust the FAA unions."

"4,000 Federal Aviation Administration employees were told not to report for work, the government lost $30 million in airline tax revenue and $2.5 billion worth of airport construction projects were left abandoned."

( Oh yea that is all about job creation and saving money!! 4000 jobs lost, lost tax revenue, and now the workers will have unemployment till that runs out and possible government assistance beyond that should they not be able to find another job......... All to prevent unions ------ WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!These are the actions that show us what fakes they are when they cry JOB CREATION AND SAVE MONEY!!! You don't do either by eliminating jobs and forcing folks to be unemployed --- now just listen as they call 4000 people and their families low life lazy entitlement abusers.........They did not quit their jobs - the jobs were ripped out from under them to promote a back stabbing republican agenda against unions - these are just the next wave of Americans being held hostage for the black male tactics of the back stabbing greedy tea-party/republicans who are he** bend on the destruction of this country for the greed of their rich buddies.)

"Hatch responded by saying Senate Republicans were committed to passing a long-term funding bill like the one passed by the House, not another short-term extension." ( How funny when it is their advantage they want long term ---- HUmm )

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Jul 27, 2011, at 10:39 AM

How did you come up with all that?

The Tea Party had nothing to do with any of that sh_t.

The Tea Party said not to raise the Spending Ceiling or the cost of living would go up. The Tea Party said to cut spending to pay the debt.

Our Congress did nothing to prevent this from happening.

Our Congress voted to raise the Spending Ceiling against all warnings from the Tea Party members and people like me who warned them against raising the debt ceiling.

Our Congress did not listen to the Tea Party at all. They did what the democrats wanted them to do... raise the spending Ceiling so King OB could spend Mo Money and pay off the bills so we wouldn't have a higher interest rate and lose our AAA Credit Rating.

By raising the Spending Ceiling Congress put us $2.4 Trillion further in debt for the sake of king OB and his Administrations promising to pay $22 Billion by 2012 and coming up with $2.1 Trillion in "CUTS" over the next 10 years.

In other words Congress gave king OB $2.4 Trillion, raising our debt now up to $16.7 Trillion, in return for king OB and his Adminisstration promising to "CUT" $2.1 Trillion over the next 10 years.

In just one and a half years from now (1.5 years into the 10 year period) Congress will have to raise the spending Ceiling up for the next President to begin his/her 2 year reign.

The next President will have to come up with the Cuts in spending that OB left for the next president for the next 8.5 years.

However, this deal with OB will be thrown out the door and a new one created for the new President at the time the spending ceiling has to be raised.

I am getting tired of Idiots blaming the Tea Party on what Congress did. Congress did what they did because they were scared by the Puppet Masters telling them that this will happen and that will happen. Well, low and behold, they ignored the voice of the Tea Party and the People and voted against the Tea Party and you see what happened don't you?

We are now in debt to the tune of $17 Trillion and that will rise to an all time high in another year.

We also lost some of our AAA Credit Rating because the other countries can no longer look up to us to be able to pay on time.

That lead to increasing the interest rates on everything you buy on Loan, Mortgage or Credit Card.

Then we also have the GREAT NEW PLUS that all the Democrats were praying for... Higher Cost of Living.

If you knew anything about the Tea Party, you would know they didn't influence Congress at all. Congress did what Congress wanted to.

The Tea Party spoke out against raising the Spending Ceiling and demanded Congress to STOP SPENDING. Did Congress STOP SPENDING? Hell no! They couldn't wait to give King OB Mo Money.

Did the Tea Party tell Congress to go home with their tail between their legs after the treason they committed and cause 75,000 lay offs?

No, the Tea Party was no Party to those acts of Treason. Those were done by the individual Congressmen themselves.

And now they want to give their power over to 12 Congressmen who will determine what to CUT from the budget and Our elected Congress will have No say so in legislating it.

This is an act of treason also: We gave Congress Power to Legislate. We didn't give Congress power to create a Committee that would have power over Congress. That is unconstitutional and should not have even been thought up.

That is how the minds of our leaders work!

We need more Tea Parties (if the truth was known) to teach Congress what the constitution says and means.

That is sickening when the Tea Party knows more than the Congress!

And for the sake of the High and Mighty Democrats, so what if we had of defaulted. How would that have been any different from what is happening right now?

Did the interest rate remain the same? Did our economy take a turn for the better? Do you pay the same for Gas or is it cheaper now? Has your cost of living gone down with the spending of Mo Money by king OB?

Rude awakening, cost of living just went up.

And for the High and Mighty Republicans, you must feel good about no Tax increase or repairs in the tax loopholes. This will give you a chance to hire new people or Create new jobs.

Sorry! It doesn't work that way. King OB is at work as I speak trying to create new taxes. He is bound and determined to tax the rich and Big Corporations. (That is the only thing I agree with OB on).

If the Tea Party didn't exist, you would have seen the debt ceiling sky rocket out of sight.

OB is out to destroy our Country!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 3:34 PM


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A once self-proclaimed entrepreneur with a strong background in photography, computer assembly, and digital arts/graphic design, Shawna is a dual-major graduate who was forced to leave a middle-management position after a serious accident and illness left her unable to work. As a mother of six and former teacher, she is now homeschooling her two youngest children and volunteers her time as an educator for the Bedford County Enrichment Homeschool Program.