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What did you think about "Welcome to Shelbyville?" or the immigration issue?

Posted Saturday, October 16, 2010, at 9:21 AM

Nearly three years ago, the Times-Gazette began to look into the topic of immigration in Shelbyville, specifically, the introduction of hundreds of refugees from the war-torn country of Somali and their impact on our community.

Today [Sunday, Oct. 17], the public got its first chance to view the documentary "Welcome to Shelbyville," and we would like to know what you thought about the film or about the broader issues of immigration.

Please feel free give us your impressions.


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All applicable immigration laws should be enforced...vigorously.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM

@ QuietMike, did you get a chance to see the documentary?

We now know your opinion regarding immigration laws, you just stated it. I am just wondering if you got to see it.

-- Posted by UVilleGators on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 6:20 PM

No, I haven't. Maybe soon.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 6:28 PM

I'm sorry to say the attendance of the documentary screening was very low. "Welcome to Shelbyville" gives a very kind portrayal of Shelbyville and its rampant xenophobia. To treat war ravaged legal immigrants as if they are dirty and diseased, or even worse terrorists, is not just or reasonable behavior. Further, asking for "interfaith" meetings where people of differing faiths are asked to come to Christian churches where the majority of the congregation is more interested in converting others than trying to learn about them is doing nothing but extending a false hand. The lack of attendance at the screening typifies Shelbyville's largest problems: apathy, ignorance, and intolerance.

-- Posted by spiritfolk on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 6:54 PM

I wonder if the timing of the screening was a little off. I would have liked to have seen it, but sunday is typically not a good day for me due to other obligations, typically church in the morning and then a 12 hour work shift for the night.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 7:28 PM

You are wrong spiritfolk . . . The reason why I did not attend the documentary is because I did not need someone pushing their own bias view on me when in fact I dealt with the Somalis on a daily basis. When I lived at Davis Estates, the Somalis scratched my car twice and kept me up all hours of the night yelling in the hallways and running and slamming doors. They had a total lack of consideration for other tenants which eventually forced me to move out of what use to be a fairly nice apartment. It is easy to pass judgment when you are sitting afar and not having to deal with the actual problem at hand.

Either way, I am cool with legal immigrants being here and striving for a better life but at the same time I dont think it is right for them to dictate how I live my life.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:17 PM

Jaxspike,

you must be one of ignorant and intolerant from looking at your comment. But of course you'll say you aren't and I'll just continue to laugh at you and shake my head.

-- Posted by princeshoko on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM

I did not view the documentary, but I can tell you my views on immigrants. If the immigrants are here legally and here to have a better life, I have no problem, as long as they abide by the rules of our country. But not all immigrants come here looking for a better life. Take a look around, look at the police reports.

I personally do not live around any somalians, but have run into a few while shopping. And a few that I have encounter are the rudest people that I have ever met. One of them actually bumped into my daughter and then looked at us as we are standing at the veggies at Wal-Mart, like it was our fault. I stated for my kids to come on and out of her way since some people do not have manners and she stated something that was not English.

I have met some that said "excuse me" or whatever it may be and have been very courteous but not all. I have no problem with people of other nations being here legally, as they as they can adapt to our culture and not expect us to change to theirs.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 11:48 PM

All applicable immigration laws should be enforced...vigorously.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM

I 2nd that motion.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 9:35 AM

Thanks princeshoko . . . I wont lose any sleep over what misguided image you have of me. :-)

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 9:52 AM

-- Posted by spiritfolk on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 6:54 PM

To say that "To treat war ravaged legal immigrants as if they are dirty and diseased, or even worse terrorists, is not just or reasonable behavior" is really ignoring a large issue. There are several diseases such as tuberculosis that seem to outbreak where the Somali immigrants settle. Also bedbug breakouts. Also there are a large number of Somali immigrants with ties to terrorism, and also those who leave here to go fight with terrorist groups. Now I am not saying that the Somali immigrants in our community have ties to terror groups, but it should be looked into. You also have to realize these people have no understanding of basic traffic laws, yet they are freely given drivers license. You also have to take into account new types of drugs being brought into the area. I think a certain level of caution is expected from our community. Also when you have a high unemployment rate in a small town like this, with very few jobs to spare anyway, can we afford to bring in groups of people who get first dibs on jobs in a certain unnamed industry.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 9:54 AM

I have not seen the documentary, but I do have a problem with the Somali people being here. If they can be here legally as easy as it is for them, why can't we make Mexican people citizens too, as long as they are not here causing a problem? They are much nicer, courteous and cleaner than the Somali people. We need to make citizenship as easy for the Mexian people. The Somali people are rude, dirty and do not care about you or your children when you run into them while you are out. Also, they can't drive!!

-- Posted by nomountainman on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 4:45 PM

Has anyone wondered at diseases that we had supposedly eradicated making appearances again? It is because, unlike Ellis Island Center, illegals are not screened for health problems.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 4:45 PM

wow all these people who post and have not seen the video. And not to mention not one person here can say there family didn't immigrate to this county. My how people forget things in the generations.

Also as per the movie, i've been wondering if Brian Mosley knows how he looked in it. I wouldn't want to be the bad guy in a film like that. And the previous mayor spouting ignorance in teh film. Wow.

I see it here to, people talking about thing's that they know nothing about.

I think what needs to happen is everyone needs to be treated as you treat others, then perhaps you people will understand.

I have more respect for the Somali, Hispanic, and other immigrants in this town then i do for the dumb redneck inbred hicks of Shelbyville. Which is about 99% of you.

-- Posted by princeshoko on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 5:43 PM

Then why do you live here, princeshoko? There are roads in every direction leading out of town.

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 5:49 PM

princessoko,

I'd be willing to bet that a decent percentage of those that you are calling dumb, inbred hicks are as equally or more educated thnn you and are, a least, equally or more intelligent than you. Please keep that in mind before you start name calling.

I think that any negative reaction as a result from such a large influx of foreigners is fair, even though often a bit too harsh. Shelbyville is a small town and the stress of absorbing such a large number poor, service dependent individuals in a short time period is difficult. They contribute relatively little to the tax base and often bring with them a mentality that poverty and war produce. Who REALLY wants that in his or her town?

-- Posted by gottago on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 7:39 PM

You also have to remember that Shelbyville is filled with southern conservative, bible-belt Republicans. Their political views are somewhat Draconian at times. When I first moved here it was like stepping into a time-warp.

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 7:34 AM

Rocket Valentine,

Being a "southern conservative, bible-belt Republican" how are you using the word Draconian? If are you refering to the Swedish Metal Band or are you saying that we still practice " eye for an eye" from the old testament. In my simple mind I understand Draconian to be small issues dealt with heavy punishment. You do now small problems lead to big problems. So why not punish those small problems with heavy punishments maybe then it will stop the problems all together when it comes to issues much greater than what is being talked about on here.

-- Posted by mtsufan on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 8:51 AM

wow all these people who post and have not seen the video. And not to mention not one person here can say there family didn't immigrate to this county. My how people forget things in the generations.

Also as per the movie, i've been wondering if Brian Mosley knows how he looked in it. I wouldn't want to be the bad guy in a film like that. And the previous mayor spouting ignorance in teh film. Wow.

I see it here to, people talking about thing's that they know nothing about.

I think what needs to happen is everyone needs to be treated as you treat others, then perhaps you people will understand.

I have more respect for the Somali, Hispanic, and other immigrants in this town then i do for the dumb redneck inbred hicks of Shelbyville. Which is about 99% of you.

-- Posted by princeshoko on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 5:43 PM

First off, this blog was not just about the video. It reads "we would like to know what you thought about the film or about the broader issues of immigration." So those of us who have not seen the film are addressing the broader issues of immigration.

Exactly what things are people talking about that they know nothing about. Can you please elaborate on that point a little more, or are you just trying to "stir the pot"?

So how are we supposed to be treated? Like the immigrants? Given jobs (which a large percentage of this county would love) housing, a govt check? To spread disease to others with no consequence?

The name calling really helps us to understand the extent of your ignorance. You can tell when someone runs out of intelligent thoughts, because they always resort to that type of name calling.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 10:34 AM

Awww The subject of the Somali people... yet again

Rude? Oh yea....... Dirty? Most certainly....... Aggressive? Without a doubt

But we do have to ask ourselves is it truly their fault they are this way? Probably not or I like to think it is not their fault. I blame a lot of the way they are on how they have lived and their culture.

My biggest complaint is they have no desire to change or adapt to our customs or our way of life. Instead they expect us to adapt to theirs which I find humorous, to say the least. America is not a 3rd world country and most of us who live here have no desire for it to be one either.

I don't care that they are Muslim, that is their choice but don't expect us all to become a Muslim to please them. Us infidels will just have to take our chances with the God we know, whose name just happens not be "Allah" .

I realize they have lived in a war torn country but this is due much to their own making... we certainly do not need that here in Shelbyville nor anywhere in America. I also realize they have learned not to trust anyone and have been taught Americans are the bad guys. This could explain some of the aggression and rudeness.

I do think the DMV needs to take more time with giving out drivers license because their driving skills are terrible. Many do not even have a drivers license or some just get as far as the permit and think that is enough. (BTW what kind of Auto insurance company gives insurance to someone without a drivers license?) Every time I have purchased Auto insurance the first thing they ask for is my drivers license number?? It's no big deal I was just wondering how that worked, if any of you knew because I know for a fact many that drive have no license but still have car insurance.

I will also say if you are going to live here, take our jobs, enjoy the benefits that MY forefathers fought and died for, at least attempt to learn the language. Don't expect me to learn yours: I did not come to your country, You came into mine.

As far as watching the documentary, I did not. I did watch the trailer, which was plenty for me. The way I see it we have no real reason to watch a documentary, when we live with it everyday. Personally, I don't need anyone to explain to me about the Somali people, they live here, they work here, their children go to our schools.. so who should know more about the Somali people, than the very people who live around them?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 6:21 PM

Well, I have had mixed numerous dealings, most were harmless.

When it comes to driving I had a couple of small issues and 1 large one. That was dealt with very poorly by local law enforcement. No it wasn't the city police.

I have worked with them, yes they are aggressive but that's fine; they were never rude and helpful 95% of the time. I just don't think its fair for preferential treatment and extra time they get for religious reasons.

I do not blame them for any of the job issues that Shelbyville TN is having. I blame the Coalition. They did it to another area where I grew up and they stood against it. Bussed 1000s of refugees from Richmond VA to 4 hours NW and dropped them off in a city similar to Shelbyville to fend for themselves. Residents were concerned because they didn't know where they came from.

Now, for the most part, I believe that most of the Somalians have been coping quite well, For example, My wife went to pick up a prescription from the Pharmacy and Somalian woman is working there now. When she called her name and got her medication, She took my wife aside and went down the list of what interactions she needed to be aware of, including various foods. She must have had a great memory because she wasn't using any cheat sheet. This is not the first time my wife was on this medication and didn't get the same warnings or possible interactions speech.

Me and my wife were blown away at the cordial response because we were not used to it. So there are some strides being made with their acclimation to Shelbyville.

I did not get to see the Documentary, wish I did get the opportunity. I hope it's not a slanted view; and I hope there was some emphasis on the process that the refugees have to go through from the beginning until they are transplanted. I bet you won't get to see that... I can bet that's corrupt as crap.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 11:23 PM

Just because people did not attend the screening doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to their personal interactions with Somali immigrants. Calling each other names doesn't help the cause you are supporting. I didn't attend the screening because I assumed Shelbyville would be portrayed as nonwelcoming despite the name.

-- Posted by stardust on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 4:15 AM

After reading princeshoko's comment, I would like to respond that I lived in MiddleTN/Bedford County most of my childhood and have traveled and lived in several other states.

I do not see Shelbyville as having any more 'dumb redneck inbred hicks' than any other place I have lived. People are rude and inconsiderate no matter where you live and the name calling shows that you are just as rude as those of us whom you are calling names.

Many of us 'dumb redneck inbred hicks' are very well educated and we choose to live here vs. other more 'sophisticated' cities.

If Shelbyville is such a bad place to live, then why does anyone immigrate here?

-- Posted by stardust on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 4:25 AM

I as an American respect the film makers and the point of view that they tried to get across..... However with that said there are many "views" of this situation that need to be documented and addressed and placed on every silverscreen locally and nationally!

One being how our educational and medical resources are being sucked dry here locally due to "illegal" immigrants. I am all for the "American Dream" and ANY immigrant that pursues it the LEGAL way, but I have NO tolerance for those who come her with their hand out and do nothing but complain about the way they are being treated. The Somali people that CHOOSE to come here need to be the conformist....NOT the other way around. I think that's what enrages most people is that they seem to expect us to change our way of life to suit them. There isn't another country out there that doesn't require passports, birth certificates and in some case multiple forms of I.D. I went on a cruise earlier this year and was made to feel nothing short of criminal as I stood in line after line of customs and immigration. We just have a "revolving door" policy and a welcome mat that is worn to a thread here and its unfortunate to the legal citizens of this county, State and country.

Call me and mine hicks, Bible-belt conservatives or what ever makes you feel better because I am over all the problems and issues that the poor immigrants are having with OUR way of life!! Come, be legal and CONFORM to OUR way of life or go the hell back! Simple solution to a major epidemic!!

-- Posted by volmom01 on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 9:36 AM

I have a feeling princeshoko is not even from Shelbyville or Bedford County so his opinion (which contains all types of falsehoods and stereotypes) should be taken with a grain of salt. Ignorance is bliss when you are not dealing with the problem firsthand like many of us have been.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 11:46 AM

volmom01 - I couldn't agree more. The costs for us continues to rise (in many different ways) to take care of those that come to this country thinking this is the land of milk and honey. The costs of our "milk and honey" goes up to give them as handouts. Our medical insurance is getting to the point of unaffordable. Yet we are the ones footing the bills for medical expenses, etc. for immigrants that either don't understand, can't afford, or just plain won't buy medical insurance. Our taxes will continue to go up to support others. Our government is more concerned with taking care of them than taking care of its own life-long citizens. I have always been led to believe that you take care of your own first. That seems to have fallen by the way-side. That is just one of my pet peeves

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 5:14 PM

Jaxspike, in response to your comment to Princeshoko I have a question for you: does someone have to be "from" Bedford County/Shelbyville in order to have an opinion on this matter? I live here but did not grow up here nor do I consider myself "from" here, but I certainly have an opinion on Somalis/immigrants in general and it is also certainly as valid as the opinions of those who are "from" here.

-- Posted by cfrich on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM

I think were Jaxspike (and myself) take offense, is with the fact that someone who does not live here, is calling us all dumb redneck inbred hicks . And also if someone doesnt live among us and see first hand the problems we are having here, then who are they to judge us?

In my opinion I think that Princeshoko, really doesnt have an opinion and just wanted to make people mad.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 7:27 AM

cfrich . . . I do believe someone needs to be from Shelbyville or Bedford County and know how the issue is actually affecting people before they call 99% of the population of Shelbyville "dumb redneck inbred hicks" just because they disagree with someone. That person has no clue what experiences we have gone through in dealing with this issue and yet they can make ignorant comments like that when they themselves have no clue who we are or what has occurred.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 8:31 AM

I also think that the perspective of one who is 'from' Shelbyville/Bedford Co can illustrate the effect of such mass (relatively speaking)immigration since they have a 'before and after' understanding of the problem.

Some of us remember what the town was like before the importation of such levels of poverty. There was a healthy balance of wealthy, middle class, and lower class individuals, neighborhoods did not decay at the rate that they currently do, and parents never had worry if their native English speaking children were in the minority in their classrooms.

Obviously, all who live or work in the town have a very valid opinion and have the right to speak it. But in defense of those who commented about'being from here', they are the ones who have seen the process from the beginning and have a completely different view than those who haven't.

-- Posted by gottago on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 10:03 AM

It blows my mind that the people in the 40 to 60 age group (that were born and raised here) do not see what a awful, broke, abandon, town shelbyville has become. A large part due to the ILLIGALS and the slave labor somilain Tyson has trucked in like cattle. I don't blame the Mexicans or the Somilians, they just want a better life. If I was in their shoes, I'd be taking atvatage of an inept goverment body as well. Be it Fed, state, or local. If one team forfets the other team still wins. That's what the citzens and leadership of Shelbyville are doing, forfiting. The sooner the bi-pass is done the better. The more Bedford countians and Tennessans can avoid Shelbyville the better. And yes I know there spelling and grammer errors...I went to public school here. Thanks T.E.A.

-- Posted by Junto on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM

Junto,

"And yes I know there spelling and grammer errors...I went to public school here. Thanks T.E.A."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 9:31 PM

LOL...when life gets me down, I just tune it to t-g blogs for a good laugh. As for comments regarding the decay of the neighborhood...I can [vaguely] remember what the area looked like pre-Roger Ritch and company.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 9:58 PM

I did not see the documentary, but I did not care for the picture in Sundays paper as it seemed to be welcoming the Somalians to Shelbyville, which I do not see them as an asset to the community, only a liability. They are the rudiest people I have ever seen.

There has been a lot said about the Somalias, but one thing I am mostly concerned about is the fact that they are Muslims. Remember 9/11 and many other incidents where they have killed Americans?

Mr. John Guandolo, a former FBI special agent, made a speach to the Bedford County Emergency Management Agency last year. In his speach he stated that every major Muslim organizatiin is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood which is formed to overthrow America and establish Islamic law. He stated they are having great success of implementing Shariah law. He said small concessions like installing foot baths and colleges forced to have separate swimming times for men and women so not to ofrend Muslims, are only parts of their strategy.

We have a local industry that has yielded to their demands, that's why I do not buy their products.

"The solution to this is you," He stated "If you are looking to DHS, FBI and Congress to sollve this...you're going to be woefully disappointed".

I hope some of you have read this article and it was listed in an article under Shelbyville Crimes for a long time, but now I can't locate it, but I do have several copies. A most interesting article, but a bit scarey.

Poksalad

-- Posted by Poksalad on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 5:59 PM

Poksalad, I agree with your comments.

And just to add, why do you think they are wanting to build mosque in certain areas of the country? It's like playing chess. You have to put all of your pieces in places that are less suspicious in order to win.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 6:50 PM

I don't think they should be here, this is our country and I liked it the way it was, not what it is turning into. We need to take good care of our people that live here first, not let the world move in.

-- Posted by RD33 on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 8:04 PM

These legal immigrants should have been sent to a place with a bigger economy that could support them. In big cities they have different organizations which can assist these people assimilate into the American society.

I lived in Shelbyville for almost 2 decades, good memories of my life. People were friendly and kind.

Now I live close to Houston (due to my job) and have come across some of the rudest people ever seen.

May the Creator(God/Allah/Jehovah or whatever you call him) bless Shelbyville,TN.

-- Posted by isqazi on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 10:53 PM

PrpleHze,

You present a good point about the mosque in Murfreesboro. I feel we are playing right into the hands of the Muslims. Of course, it is not politically correct to pony up against the enemy and show force. Just look who is at the top of the ladder, naturally being a Muslm he is for them. Wonder where his money came from since he raised so much more than Hilliary. he a nobody and she known the world over.

-- Posted by Poksalad on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 11:30 AM

Ricky Valentine's comment, I suppose, is written by a typical northern tenement house whiteneck trash, hiding under the safety of southern redneck nobility.

Whereas Princeshoko is the typical stupid white girl who only gets it when she is dragged out in the street and her head is chopped off.

The Somali's, as far as I know, were sent into Shelbyville by the Catholic Charities of Nashville. Wonder why they did not send any Somalis to a predominately Catholic population like Massachusets. Hmnnnnn, well I consulted my Psychic Madame Cleo and she said Catholic nations and populations do not have a middle class and they cannot send immigrants to the lower class of Mass which would not be humane. Why they would not even have a compound like the Kennedys or a 4 million dollar 900 SF apartment next to the Bloombergs. Southerners call this northern "financial segregation", which it is.

-- Posted by Grits on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 2:38 PM

Princeshoko is a male. He goes by the name of Robert. He lives here.

Rocket is someone I met and he is courteous, smart, and has tried everything he has to meet, work and socialize with people in this area. So before you judge someone by how he feels, Meet them first. There might be a good reason for his ideals.

We can sit here and judge people, I know I am just as guilty, but what is this accomplishing? Seriously, what would Jesus do in this situation? If we are going to state we are Christians, shouldn't we act like one?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 10:13 AM

I had a beer with Jesus yesterday and he said he would round up and send all illegal aliens and non-Christians back to their homeland.

-- Posted by Grits on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 12:21 PM

I know how some of these so-called

"Christians" like to post their bible scriptures on here....so here's one for y'all.

Leviticus 20:5 33-34

"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were once aliens in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

-- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 2:45 PM

actually this is the King James reading :

Leviticus 19:33-34 (King James Version)

33And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

34But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

BTW sojourn means a temporary stay (as a guest)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 4:25 PM

If and when you get to Heaven ask the 3,000+ killed on 9/11 how that "love an alien as thyself" worked out in NY. Ask the Christians that once lived in peaceful Detroitastan, how that turn the other cheek caused them to get a cheek chewed off.Is that why they ran out of there like chimps going after cheeetos.

-- Posted by Grits on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 5:37 PM

To Grits in particular, a general question. Do you know why Jesus used Samaritans in his parables that emphasized love towards our neighbors and outsiders? The answer is, it think, very relevant in this situation.

-- Posted by kyosaku on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 1:36 PM

They answer is, I think...

I really should proofread my stuff better.

-- Posted by kyosaku on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 1:45 PM

2,000 years ago I would have followed Jesus in his approach to tensions between two Semite groups; Jerico Jews and Semite Samarians. However, since Jesus was nailed to a cross by his neighbors and outsiders, I'll stick with my street smarts of 2010; even if my cross was made from beautiful Shelbyville cedar. I believe when Jesus comes back, he will be extremely anti-illegals. Also, calling illegal aliens "undocumented immigrants" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed Pharmacist".

-- Posted by Grits on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 7:56 AM

So Grits, what you are saying is, the Bible that was written back then shouldn't have any basis or meaning for today's issues. I totally agree.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM

Please list all current religions, that when practiced as it's Messiah lived and preached, believe in "convert,in-slave or kill non-believers

"... I'll wait.

-- Posted by Junto on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 2:22 PM

When other "neighbors" in the bible, old testament, came in to live with God's people, (and the Isrealites themselves) if they brought their religious Idols with them... they were to be stoned to death or God destroyed them himself.

In our country everyone had the right to worship any way they wanted to or any god, but the Government took that right away with their separation of church and state. They use that to control who worships what and where.

The States brings in immigrants so it can get Grants and Financial Help from the U.S. Central Corporation (Federal Government). The United States is a foreign Corporation in respect to the 50 states. It is foreign in all states until the states invite the Federal Government into its boundaries.

This then gives the Federal Government jurisdiction within the states. There goes your "Inalienable Rights"! Good bye Rights, Hello Martial Law!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 PM

I'm not convinced that refugees arrive here with an entitlement attitude, but I do suspect they may be conditioned to adopt that attitude by the agencies who are helping them, such as the governmental agencies and assorted " non-profit " organizations, wherein many of the workers, especially those within the upper echelon, are definitely profiting : it's THEIR job and THEIR livelihood : I know, I've worked in that realm. But more importantly, can we as a nation afford to keep providing funds for the Office of Refugee Resettlement like the amounts in the tables at the link below --- which ONLY reflect " Cash and Medical Assistance " --- with housing, food, transportation, schooling, etc etc, costing much much more ? I don't think we can anymore, and I urge all ya'll to let all your duly appointed officials know how you feel. It's all good and well to bat comments back and forth in places like this, but it takes political action to get results. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/fund...

-- Posted by Formerly Kathy Geary on Tue, Jan 4, 2011, at 8:15 PM


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