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Posted Saturday, February 23, 2008, at 2:45 PM

Please excuse my ignorance on this matter.

Will someone please explain to me what a school dress code is supposed to accomplish beyond doing away with, hopefully, totally inappropriate attire?

Who decided we needed a dress code here and presented reasonable reasons why such a code should be adopted?

I admit to knowing a little about a precious few subjects. The dress code matter completely slipped by me.


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There has been alot of discussion about it for a few months, alot of the comments were on actually stories instead of Blogs.

But to be short, It started when someone decided Nashville is doing it. There are alot of opponents than proponents. But even after a ton of feedback on how fruitless it would be to have an SSA, they still passed it.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 3:31 PM

Bo, back in our days when we started to school, we had a choice of wearing Overalls or Overalls !!!! Now this was the country boys, since I had no idea what they wore in the city...

In our high school years, most of us did filp our collars up in the back like Elvis and combed our hair in a duck tail. If I only still had that hair !!!

-- Posted by Gale Barber on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 5:03 PM

The only thing I can remember is that we could not wear jeans and the collars had to stay down until after school.

Our daughter graduated a year and a half ago. At that time the girls clothes were getting tighter and shorter and the boys were getting baggier and falling off.

Some parents are against it but it actually will make their job easier when little Susie or Johnny says they have to have questionable attire because "everyone else's parents" let them wear it.

I would hope gangs are not a real problem yet, but there was concern about gang 'colors' causing issues as well.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 6:11 PM

I'm for the dress code. I walk down the middle school hallways everyday , and I see things I don't want to see. If I question anything I approach that student and we deal with it. Why are parents letting them dress this way? I guess they think it's cute, and guys just love it. It's also putting their minds everywhere but the books and what they need to focus on. I remember trying to dress so a guy would notice me. We should have had dress code then!

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 6:31 PM

christiangirl

Are you a teacher?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 6:34 PM

http://www.shelbyvillehosting.com/petiti...

If you don't agree to the dress code, voice your options now.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 7:00 PM

Christiangirl... I have one question for you, when only a select few students do very well and achieve great grades, perfect attendance, etc why don't you rewards the ENTIRE CLASS? Even if 20 out of 30 aren't doing so well. Is it fair to award every single student the same thing when only 10 have worked hard to achieve it. NO! So reverse the situation, now you've got hundreds of students who ALL have to abide by a strict, meaningless, conforming dress code, simply because a handful of lazy teachers and administration can't enforce the current ones that a handful of children wear inappropriate clothing.

You wanted a dress code, back when you were in school huh. Well why aren't you at the meetings wanting the teachers to have to abide by these same policies?

You supposedly aren't of the world, with all your rants on the other blog, it's amazing to see you love everyone making your decisions in this situation.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 7:20 PM

Why are teachers responsible for what the students wear? Teachers would not have to enforce the dress code if parents would do THEIR job. I have made sure that MY children are presentable on a daily basis. That is a PARENT'S job, not a teacher's.

-- Posted by 3kidsmom on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 8:41 PM

darrick 04

Lazy teachers? I can't control what parents do. I can only control what my own children wear. How is it our job? I have taken children to the nurse to get them a shirt to change into if what they're wearing has cussing or half nude girls even a hooters shirt with a trashy picture on it. There are a lot of good kids that make good grades that I've talked to and they don't mind the dress code. They said they won't have to worry about what they're going to wear the next day. I've not heard of a complaint yet from the good ones. How do you know I've not been to a meeting? I haven't and I'm sure you haven't, right? What will be will be. I'll just keep going to the nurse and have them change and call the parents that let them out of the house in it. They'll eventually get tired of me calling. That's all I can do. Nobody knows what I do.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM

Oh so only the bad kids are against the dress code? Why are you enforcing the dress code anyways? Aren't supposed to be teaching?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Lazy teachers? I can't control what parents do. I can only control what my own children wear. How is it our job?-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM

SO THEN DECIDE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, NOBODY ELSE'S... WHICH WOULD MEAN, YOU CAN'T BE FOR A DRESS CODE, SINCE IT'S NOT YOUR JOB, IT'S THE PARENTS! BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT ALL THE FUSS WAS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SMUGGLE WEAPONS, WELL I DON'T THINK A HOOTERS SHIRT WILL INDICATE SUCH THINGS.

There are a lot of good kids that make good grades that I've talked to and they don't mind the dress code. They said they won't have to worry about what they're going to wear the next day. I've not heard of a complaint yet from the good ones.-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM

YEAH, I'M SURE THOSE KIDS WHO ABIDE BY THE RULES ARE JUST JUMPING FOR JOY THAT THEY ARE GETTING PUNISHED B/C A FEW PEOPLE CAN'T DRESS APPROPRIATELY. AND THAT WASN'T EVEN MY POINT, I SAID YOU DON'T REWARD ALL THE STUDENTS IF ONLY A FEW DO WELL, SO DON'T PUNISH THEM ALL IF ONLY A FEW DO BAD...

I'll just keep going to the nurse and have them change and call the parents that let them out of the house in it. They'll eventually get tired of me calling. That's all I can do. Nobody knows what I do.-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM

OK, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, "HOW IS IT OUR JOB", THEN YOU ANSWERED IT FOR YOURSELF. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU DO? EXACTLY THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HIDE BEHIND A GENERIC NAME AND WOULDN'T DARE BE BOLD ENOUGH TO TELL US WHO YOU ARE.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:30 PM

Gee that's strange christiangirl

You say you are calling parents? That's a principal's call not a teachers. Nor is it a teachers decision on what clothing is breaking the rules. A Teacher sends the offending child to the principal The teacher does not enforce punishment again that is a principal's job. And it sure isn't the school nurse's job unless the child happens to be sick.

So are you saying you are a principal?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:33 PM

AMEN DIANA!!! Christiangirl proves everything you need to know about her... Sending students to the Nurse's Office to change their rather than treat them for sicknesses, makes just as much sense as sending a sick kid to the dry cleaners to get well... Make some sense for once please!

And there is no way you are a teacher. I had to correct your formatting the other day. You have learned to use a space after the . now, but that is the extent of it.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:44 PM

I don't know who you are. I don't see you giving your last name. What's 04? When you were born? What's with the CAPS? Just shows your age. See I give my comments and you always have a loud answer. I do my job. Parents need to do theirs. Who cares if the "bad" kids are against the dress code? I'm teaching!!! Why would I tell you my name? So you can prank call me, or bring a gun into my school and find me? I'm not crazy. I make "any" comment and here comes darrick and evil monkey attacking. This is for comments and I can give mine.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:44 PM

Well I can tell you for a FACT that it is not only the "bad" kids (as you called them) that are against this dress code.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:49 PM

You forgot to mention Diana, Disturbia and multiple others who respond. I love to see how don't ever address a single question brought to your attention. You just worry about the trivial ones, because you have no idea how to answer the one's you actually have to think about. I DIDN'T SAY THE "BAD" KIDS WERE AGAINST THE DRESS CODE, I SAID THOSE WHO DO WELL... be a teacher and READ!

Your notion about someone bringing a gun to your school definitely shows how much faith you have, ZERO.

Don't worry about my last name, until you can atleast give us your first!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:49 PM

Well let me explain. I take the child to the office where the assistant principal sees the shirt. Then the nurse, which has the clothes in her room in case a child has an accident, gives the child a shirt. I do have permission from assist.princ. to call the parent. Do I have to explain everything in detail? I don't even know why I put comments on here. All you want is a good arguement and I'm just feeding the craving. Good night!

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:50 PM

listen, you never answered my simple question, how is that attacking you? My word, are you bipolar or something? Since you clearly have no intent of answering my easy question, you must be a teacher of ESL since you have idea no how to read english.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:51 PM

All you want is a good arguement and I'm just feeding the craving. Good night!

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:50 PM

Yet, every single night you come back... And when you can't win, which is always you say "good night"...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:52 PM

I have only one comment to make. Everyone on here are acting like children. No wonder why kids don't obey the rules now, the adults have fogotten how to be nice to each other.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:57 PM

EM

What question are you talking about?

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:58 PM

All you want is a good arguement and I'm just feeding the craving. Good night!

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:50 PM

Haha, I just noticed... She must not teach her students spelling, because she seems to be worried too much about what they wear. What grade do you teach?

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:59 PM

Yet, every single night you come back... And when you can't win, which is always you say "good night"...

I can recall the other night when you said those exact words because a blogger knew you and pointed out how you used to be a Christian.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:00 PM

I have only one comment to make. Everyone on here are acting like children. No wonder why kids don't obey the rules now, the adults have fogotten how to be nice to each other.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:57 PM

Thanks for your one comment, see ya!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:00 PM

Oh so only the bad kids are against the dress code? Why are you enforcing the dress code anyways? Aren't supposed to be teaching?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:00 PM

The big question is "Where does she teach?"

Makes me wonder where the rest of her class is while she is out pretending to be principal.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:02 PM

Thanks to all who explained the dress code matter to me. I honestly have trouble comprehending the necessity of a dress code unless some parents allow their kids to wear attire that would raise questions as to the morality of both students and parents.

I could give a couple of classic examples I have actually seen but prefer not to do so in this format.

During my years in school here I do recall some students from wealthy families wearing more dressy clothes than the rest of us but we were more comfortable in jeans or tan pants, a matching shirt...and the loudest socks we could find...sometimes with the pants legs rolled up a little to show those socks off a little better.

-- Posted by bomelson on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:05 PM

I agree Diana... I bet she teaches Elementary School, which has no such dress code. At first she says, "It's not my job to dress them, it's the parents", then she goes on to say in the SAME post... " I'll just keep going to the nurse and have them change and call the parents that let them out of the house in it. They'll eventually get tired of me calling. That's all I can do. Nobody knows what I do." She can't make up her mind.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:07 PM

I've not heard any against it. We don't really discuss it, but I'll be sure to ask Monday. 2nd question- I'm fine with the dress code. I don't really have a good answer. I think it will look nicer and show respect. 3rd quest.- I think that's supposed to say "Aren't you supposed to be teaching?" I am after I'm their mother first and take care of their needs and listen to any problems they may have.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:10 PM

No, you are not my child's mother. How dare you take the role of a parent, You really need to make up your mind. BTW, did you know they have passed a professional dress code for teachers that have to wear a blazer, skirt, or dresspants, dress shirt or blouse. You must wear a tie and hair must be pulled back. That too was passed.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:15 PM

I am after I'm their mother first and take care of their needs and listen to any problems they may have.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:10 PM

What??? If you don't mind please do explain this sentence to me.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:15 PM

Is it ok to get off now? I have church tomorrow which will get some good comments I'm sure. By the way I said I walk down a middle school hallway everyday. Maybe you should start reading a little better too! I won't say good night so bye.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:15 PM

Middle school hallway.. that narrows it down to THREE schools. Keep going.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:17 PM

well actually 4 darrick

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:18 PM

Is it ok to get off now? I have church tomorrow which will get some good comments I'm sure. By the way I said I walk down a middle school hallway everyday. Maybe you should start reading a little better too! I won't say good night so bye.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:15 PM

Does your church require a dress code? I would hope the message at your church is important enough for you to forgo your judgement of people and what they wear. It wouldn't surprise me though, you seem to be into everything for the wrong reason.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:21 PM

well actually 4 darrick

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:18 PM

Well I was deducting Community from that equation. I am alumni there, and I am pretty sure there is no nurse in the middle/high school... And the office keeps a supply of appropriate shirts, distributed by the administration, not a nurse. LOL

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:26 PM

Christiangirl you said

"So you can prank call me, or bring a gun into my school and find me?"

hmmm...seems the only gun brought to school latley was brought in BY A TEACHER!! I assure you, Darrick wouldn't stoop to things like that and how dare you insinuate it!

and if it's middle...PLEASE don't let it be Thomas, I will transfer my child ASAP if this woman has ANY influence in my child's life!! Heaven forbid she teaches my child, but she does make herself sound like a saint among teachers. And just curious...how many middle school kids wear HOOTERS shirts? and the ones I have seen have an owl on them.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:37 PM

A shirt with an owl holding hands with a snowman wearing money sign sunglasses. Those crack-selling 4th graders had it coming! lol

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:42 PM

LMAO EM!!!!

Thanks for describing the shirt for me, dang, I will have to tell my 4th grader to leave hers at home from now on...and it's so cute. What a shame :)

-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 11:49 PM

I have only one comment to make. Everyone on here are acting like children. No wonder why kids don't obey the rules now, the adults have fogotten how to be nice to each other.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Feb 23, 2008, at 10:57 PM

You are so right Sharon. However, I'm afraid you are wasting your words. It seems that it doesn't make much difference if you subscribe to the standard Bible or the much discussed "other 80%" unless you actually learn and practice the basic principles found there you don't behave very well.

-- Posted by devan on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:11 AM

You make no sense...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:19 AM

And exactly what rules are children not obeying... ? If conformity is a rule, then I hope they don't obey it...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:21 AM

The "children" referred to are the bloggers who show no respect for each other, no civility to each other, and therefore do not seem to understand the concept of "agape love". I know this wasn't a religious discussion. I just couldn't help myself.

-- Posted by devan on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:30 AM

Maybe bloggers should be forced to wear standard attire when blogging . . it might lessen some of the bickering that goes on in these blogs. LOL!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 3:54 AM

Actually,I thought some of us were being very adult.

(Children know better than to act this way.)

One way we might help this clothing and values mess is to reverse the age business.

You can go topless,show your underpants (or lack of them),go barefoot,etc. for as long as you can see a bare breast and think "LUNCH!!!"

Every privilege and every responsibility you earn entitles you to add more body coverings.

By the time you wear high necks to cover your wattles,elbow or wrist length sleeves to cover your bat wings and waist to ankle pants or skirts to conceal the large,blue veins on your legs,you'll have recognition for the wisdom and achievement you've attained in all those years.

If we can instill the idea of being tasteful and practical in our choice of garments,it won't matter if no two people dress the same or if we all wear pink camo Utili-kilts or each wear navy blue suits,jeans or olive-drab jodpurs.

If we can't apply common sense and consideration for other people,we have greater problems than our wardrobes.

Let's wear what we should and let our minds and hearts determine who we are and whether or not we should have the approval of others.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 4:07 AM

I love how a couple of people on here know EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING. Know it alls are really annoying.

-- Posted by I just might on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 8:55 AM

And know what else is annoying? People who say know-it-alls are annoying. And don't contribute anything to a conversation.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 9:24 AM

I love how a couple of people on here know EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING. Know it alls are really annoying.

-- Posted by I just might on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 8:55 AM

Not everything... I never comment about the animal blogs and there are 6 of those a day. The funny thing, is the school board claims to know everything, that's why they ratified the dress code "unanimously", essentially the same way it was opposed. Forgive a few of us for being rational and having a brain. I guess much isn't expected from this society anymore, we're supposed to just sit back and let a few unjustly elected officials make all of our decisions, without having a conscience about it. I think not.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 9:32 AM

Understand this, the little money that alot of families have, will now be going to pay for school clothes instead of paying for extracurricular activities. Now the disparity of the rich and poor are even more widen because the rich can afford the equipment, (cheerleading outfits, karate outfits, dance costumes, football gear, etc). Now those children are buying clothes they only use for school, while the rich children get to achieve their dreams and have fun.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 10:00 AM

Sharon22 & devan

First,as far as being uncivil goes, I believe those of us who were simply stating that we objected to the NEW dress code (not the one that was in place and not being enforced) were called 'retards' by a blogger who disagreed with us.

Second, my kids are honor students and do not break any rules at school, and do not run around town. I know that because I know where they are and who they're with and other adults frequently tell me how well-behaved they are. For this reason, I feel I have every right to object to them having to conform to even more rules when I still think the ones breaking the rules in the fall will be the same ones who are breaking the rules now.

I am not being childish, or uncivil or rude and I do not call anyone names or tell them they don't have the right to disagree with me, nor do I call them childish.

I think you owe me an apology.

-- Posted by nellie on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM

My point was not what you say but how you say it. I don't support the SSA so its not about that either. If you have made your feelings known in a civil and respectful way, I don't owe you an apology I owe you a "Thank You".

The ones I was addressing are those that come on like junkyard dogs with personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them.

-- Posted by devan on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:38 PM

christiangirl, want to know who to steer clear of in this town? Check EM's petition. Want to know what I find amusing? A few on here blasting the board members stating that they didn't listen to the majority. Have you seen the TG picture from the meeting when SSA was passed? Does anyone really believe that was the majority???

I wasn't there because I'm not for or against the dress code. My child obeys the rules and one more won't affect him one way or another. He will abide by it and be a better person for ALL of these rules once he enters the work force and real world.

-- Posted by Rhebea96 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 4:29 PM

Rhebea96,

Your right, your child will be a better person for the workforce and the real world. I hope your proud of your bumper sticker, "My child knows how to dress for Burger King".

And my petition has no had any media attention yet either. None of the people are hiding their faces either. At least they have the honor and pride to do something legal and stand up for ones rights. Instead of giving up our liberties because the few cannot enforce their current policies.

Do you actually think those punishments are fair?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 5:10 PM

Let me first say that I will be proud of my child regardless of where he works...this country needs good employees who abide by the rules set forth by whatever the field may be from the food service industry to our doctors, lawyers, etc...

We just happen to have different opinions here, EM. In my honest opinion, I neither see SSA as punishment nor do I see it as the path leading to employment in the food service industry, but everyone has to work some where and if that is where my child chooses to work then he has my support.

Surely you don't think the food service industry is the only industry with a dress code or that has an employee handbook. I have held jobs with two different employers in the 15 years since my graduation. Each had an employee handbook inclusive of a dress code which is/was strictly enforced. Neither job was in the food service industry.

-- Posted by Rhebea96 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 5:33 PM

SSA is a punishment for the people that cannot afford all the clothes and the activities that come from them. Since you do not understand that, you must not be on a fixed income like a MAJORITY of other families in this county.

50% of the families in this county are below the poverty level. 50%!! That is crazy. Now with the costs of going to PUBLIC school going up, their children can no longer do what the other rich kids get to do.

Why are we worried about 12 - 16 year olds and going to work anyways? Aren't they supposed to be kids? Shouldn't they be thinking about going to college? Not work. The SSA is misleading, it's wrong, and it's taking away from families that do not have much to begin with.

If you can actually say, that's fair. Well, I just can't understand some peoples thinking.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Rhebea96

You are presently given the choice to work where you want. You are not forced to work somewhere that has a strict dress code. My opinion is that a child attending a public school (supported by tax dollars AND by parents, relatives, and friends who contribute time and money as pointed out by another poster) should not be forced to adhere to a strict dress code.

I hope that all of you that believe we are just griping and whining will be happy living under a repressive government because you are not going to recognize when you are being conned. This 'dress code' concept is spreading like wildfire and I would like to rephrase Amy Martin's statement to read,

"What is popular with school boards across the country is not always right."

I would also like to suggest that if you all are so upset about the 'previous' dress code, then perhaps you should start your own and dress them the way you want.

-- Posted by nellie on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 6:12 PM

insert 'school'>>(start your own...)

-- Posted by nellie on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 6:13 PM

christiangirl

I have been teaching in this system for many years and I am a little confused by some of your comments. I also do not see the need for you or anyone else to make derisive remarks.

I would suggest that if you see a kid with questionable attire, just send them to the office and let the administration deal with them. I do not understand why you have to deal with any of what you say.

If they are having personal problems, refer them to the counselor.

I would also like to comment that most of the teachers I have spoken with who have kids in Bedford County are against the dress code, but are afraid to say anything.

-- Posted by neena on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 6:34 PM

That is correct and instead of spending all those man-hours on this, why couldn't they use it towards the health costs for the teachers? How much does a teacher have to pay for health coverage under their plan? $400+ a month? Thats insane and thats only for 1 adult and 1 child. Most teachers are only getting a take home of 1500 dollars per month. That is unacceptable, these are our educators of our children. Why can't they have affordable healthcare like alot of the other counties?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 6:46 PM

Has anyone read the response seedsower gave on the article comments? Heartless!! and it makes me wonder if he/she is a gang member.

-- Posted by Tinaw on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 8:22 PM

christiangirl, want to know who to steer clear of in this town? Check EM's petition. Want to know what I find amusing? A few on here blasting the board members stating that they didn't listen to the majority. Have you seen the TG picture from the meeting when SSA was passed? Does anyone really believe that was the majority???

-- Posted by Rhebea96 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 4:29 PM

Steer clear of people who signed the petition because they actually know how to stand for something? If you teach your child to stand for NOTHING, they'll fall for ANYTHING. Wouldn't be proud of that outlook on life. Lastly, the picture from when the "dress code was passed" was not a public forum and the public had absolutely NO input in this discussion. They knew the board was going to ignore their constituents anyways. So what's really funny is, we have NO pictures from the prior meetings where 95% of those present were in the board members faces and against the code. Tell me why you don't see those pictures? THAT is majority the paper and school board didn't want you to see.

So devan and christiangirl, you now see there are more people who are against this useless form of opression and conformity...

Neena you are 100% correct with your assertions. Nellie, GREAT comments. EM, as always :) , Tinaw.. Yes I read what "seedsower" said and let's just say, it was highly uncalled for and is probably a school board member using a generic name, because they think nobody knows who they are.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 9:08 PM

Although I received some good legitimate answers to my blog, I must say I regret even writing it now.

I didn't mean for it to lead to more blasting of some people because they dared to have an opinion.

The Times-Gazette has given us a good forum here. I hope a few won't destroy it.

During the time I was a newsman I was very leary of those who knew all the answers. It didn't take long to learn this group seldom understood the questions and a sure sign was when they valued no opinions other than their own.

Is it time for some of us to take a long, hard look at ourselves and see it we belong in that group?

-- Posted by bomelson on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 10:40 PM

You can delete it. A few bloggers have done that before.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 11:02 PM

Bo,

I have been totally civil here and in the board forums. I hope you don't feel I am part of the group you are referring to.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 11:12 PM

I'm not blaming anyone Evil Monkey. My only thought was we are getting too close to in my blog and others to putting people down for the wrong reasons.

As an example, here's one I've considered that I'm sure I'll really be blasted for even mentioning:

Many people are concerned about traffic problems both getting to and around the new Heritage Medical Center.

One things has always bothered me about the present location of our hospital. Patients with rooms on the south side have a view of a large cemetery while some of those facing north can see a funeral home and a monument business.

This isn't exactly reassuring to a patient worried about his/her condition.

I've been there and done that in the criticism department that by proabably writing more columns expression personal views than anyone in the history of the T-G and expected some criticism. That comes with the territory...and my name and picture were over those columns.

However, I don't want others to be slammed too badly for merely having an opinion. I'd rather someone criticize me than you or others.

-- Posted by bomelson on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 11:38 PM

Oh I don't mind being criticized; actually I welcome it because it creates dialogue. I just hope people understand, I am not trying to hurt anyone. My goal is to be fair, right and have it easily obtainable. The policy isn't, it is cumbersome, lacks foresight and the punishment doesn't even make sense.

I even came up with solutions to the problem and it would work, cost nothing and it would create a learning environment. They didn't even consider it. The sad fact is, when there will be leaders that come out of this school system and remember what these board members did and the lack of activities they were not allowed to go to because of lack of funds. The day will come that they will make a decision that affect the proponents way of life.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 11:49 PM

I totally agree with you Bo. I made similiar comments on another blog this morning. If anyone comes on any of these blogs with an opinion opposite of certain people, they are circled like a pack of wolves and eaten alive.

It would be nice if we could be more civilized and refrain from insinuations about other peoples lack of intelligience if there opinion is not your own.

Devan, I've read some of your comments on several blogs and you seem to be an intelligent,mature, kind-hearted person. Don't let the negativity from others prevent you from making future posts.

-- Posted by tgreader on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 7:44 AM

Just a few comments I'd like to make.

#1- Teachers should check for dress code violations during morning announcements. Offenders sent to the office and any who are found during the day should be sent to the office. Clothes can change during the day; I have seen it plenty of times.

#2- If violators are not dealt with first period, then it becomes a problem more with the administrators, not the teachers. If a teacher sends a kid 3 days in row to the office and nothing happens, why should she/he waste their time sending them again and again? If teachers aren't getting support enforcing a dress code, I'd dare say they aren't getting support in other rule violations. I have asked before why this issue was not explored and dealt with before a new dress code was implemented. As a principal, if I had a violator in my office after first period, I would want want to know which teachers the student had that day already and why they weren't sent to the office before. It would have been easier to deal with the problem than to implement an entirely new code.

#3- If children are going to have to dress to a more astringent code, then so should all faculty and staff. No more sleeveless 'dress' tops and short skirts on teachers!! This is not professional and I have never dressed that way. I will admit to wearing khaki pants vs. dress pants, but I am covered up and I can bend over to help a child without 'all my business' hanging out.

#4- If you wanted to present a petition to the board, well, you should have done it before they voted and you should have had it available at the meetings. I'd think it was a moot point now, but you never know. If you want a true majority opinion brought to the board, you must also present a petition of those in favor.

#5- (This probably should have been number one.) What is the reasoning for a new dress code? Was there more identifiable gang activity? Was it to simply go along with other schools? Did I miss the reason in another article?

I used to teach in Bedford County, but I teach elsewhere now. I might like to come back one day if the opportunity came about. I might even run for school board one day. Anyway, I haven't done a lot of research on dress codes and I certainly wouldn't be using metro Nashville as an example. I don't know all the issues to say whether or not I would have supported a new code or not. I just know how I have seen some students dress and some of the clothes would definitely fall into the category of disrupting the educational process.

Blast me if you will, with your all caps on. I teach, so that means I come equipped with thick skin.

-- Posted by Jacks4me on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 8:37 AM

Will someone please explain to me what a school dress code is supposed to accomplish beyond doing away with, hopefully, totally inappropriate attire?

I think you answered your own question. I think that is the majority of the reasoning behind it. However, I am just one person and I've been wrong before.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 8:44 AM

Jacks4me,

Yes I can make another petition for people that do want it. I discussed that with my wife last night and she said that was fair. Please be aware I have deleted double entries, and names that were inappropriate from the ones that opposed it.

To answer the question why the petition was not done before, because there was alot of opposition that came to the forums and we really felt the board was going to listen. Apparently, I assumed wrong, I was stupid to do that.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 9:46 AM

EM, I didn't say you couldn't do it, I just said it was a moot point. How many signatures will constitute a majority?

Do you think it is justifiable to say they didn't listen because they didn't do what you wanted? I thought in an earlier post you said one of the meetings you attended was productive and you felt they had really listened to you.

-- Posted by Jacks4me on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 9:59 AM

And exactly what rules are children not obeying... ? If conformity is a rule, then I hope they don't obey it...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 12:21 AM

HMM Now are we teaching our children to not obey the teachers or go by rules???? Maybe this is why the teachers have so much trouble with the students and why our kids think they can get by with anything. Just my opion.

-- Posted by shelbyvegas on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 12:11 PM

I signed it this morning!

Darrick, I did not know you had become a gun carrying psycho and I thought anyone could figure out what 04 means! LOL...

My biggest problem with the whole situation is the fact that anyone has the nerve to try to take not only my children's rights away but my rights as a parent. To sit back and insult every parent and categorize all students is wrong. There is no teacher or board that has the right to even think that they can take on my roll as a parent! As christiangirl has stated above, she feels she has that right!

EM probably did think they listened. The point is, it still didn't matter!

When I start depending on the Board and the Schools to pay my bills then I guess I wont mind dressing my kids in whatever they require.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 12:38 PM

Disgusted, I don't think she meant she had the right to act as a students mother. I think what she meant was that we expect teachers and administrators to wear so many different hats that we often fail to understand the only one they applied for was "teacher". I'm not blaming that on you personally but on parents in general. My parents knew there was nothing in my closet (besides my play clothes and church clothes) that I couldn't wear to school. They weren't home every morning to make sure I was dressed properly but their presence in my mind was ever apparent. Most likely I won't be present every morning while my children get dressed for school (in later years) but I sure hope that I have given them enough of a guide to go by that they KNOW Momma will not be happy to get a call that says your clothes were improper when you have proper clothes.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 1:05 PM

So devan and christiangirl, you now see there are more people who are against this useless form of opression and conformity...

Yes I read what "seedsower" said and let's just say, it was highly uncalled for and is probably a school board member using a generic name, because they think nobody knows who they are.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 9:08 PM

One more time for the record, "I am not in support of the SSA". Having talked to a teacher in the system that I respect this position is reinforced. I am not and have never been opposed to bloggers stating and defending their position with passion and a certain amount of "spice". But like Darrick's comment above about school board members, some comments cross the line and smearing by innuendo certainly qualifies.

Finally, thanks LauraSFT for that last comment. We also need to remember that not all students have functional parents and whether its right or not sometimes teachers get thrown into that role.

-- Posted by devan on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 1:38 PM

I have never expected my children to be taught not only how to dress but how to behave by anyone else! As for the comments that cross the line...Well its like this! Don't insult my parenting ability and I wont insult a Board or Teacher that knows nothing about what takes place in my home. I have never had a problem with my childrens dress or behavior either!

As for Darricks comment, he's probably right!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:37 PM

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Verify your signature by checking your email inbox. If it doesn't show up in your inbox filter through your Spam folder.

Sign, verifiy and pass this on to everyone who wants to take a stand against a select few not representing those who elected them.

And devan, I don't get it.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Darrick, I did not know you had become a gun carrying psycho and I thought anyone could figure out what 04 means! LOL......When I start depending on the Board and the Schools to pay my bills then I guess I wont mind dressing my kids in whatever they require.-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 12:38 PM

--HAHA... Well now you know who to "steer clear of" in this town according to one poster. And apparently I am going to go into a school and commit violent acts. Umm, christiangirl is good at the fear game, something I don't buy into.

As for Darricks comment, he's probably right!-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:37 PM

--Yup! Well the school board members have admittedly been reading the blogs, so who is to say they don't respond, with names so vague nobody would know who they are.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Disgusted, you have a valid point. If your children are the ones obeying the rules and aren't the ones who go to school to be mothered then this is just one of many, many rules they follow. Ya know, we weren't allowed to have gum. I knew that, therefore I didn't chew gum for fear of writing off the dreaded gum sheet. Not that hard of a concept. There are all kinds of laws I abide as an adult today. I don't think the speed limit should be so low in some areas, but I do it anyway b/c I know that IS the speed limit and my opinion won't change it when the officer pulls me over. I'm not saying your opinion on this particular subject is invalid, I'm simply saying that it doesn't appear that it will change anything. What's done is done.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:43 PM

When a student gets caught chewing gum then usually one student gets punished for that. THE ENTIRE COUNTY on the other hand is a bit extreme?

And speed limits, those are supposedly put in place for our protection, though lining the pockets of the city reserve seems to happen a bit too much in this process.

Her opinion will change something, if enough of them are presented.. which seems to be the case. Laura, you aren't the kind of girl who just succumbs to others telling you what to do, knowing full well that you didn't deserve the punishment. You are not the kind of girl who would want your children sent to the office [when they go to school] all because a few students were caught cheating, and yours didn't. It is the same concept here.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:54 PM

I guess my opinion is different b/c I don't really see this as a punishment. But, as I have said before my opinion of all of this is invalid really, since as of right now I don't have a dog in this fight. I was just trying to help disgusted and the other one (sorry I forgot the name) see that through the harsh words everyone wants the same thing: good kids. Some just have different ideas of how to produce such children.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:00 PM

The time and energy spent deciding on the SSA would have been time better spent doing damage control on real issues, drugs and gangs!

Take away rights to use drugs and be gang members and I'm all for it!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:09 PM

lol, I'm pretty sure no one has the right to do drugs. As for gangs, well I didn't see much if any REAL gangs in my time at SCHS. Could've been there for all I know but I didn't pay any attention. Matter of fact, thinking back if someone were to have told me they were in a gang in an effort to impress me, well I guess I may have gotten shot for laughing in their faces.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:13 PM

Well Laura, you do have a dog in this fight. Because regardless of if you have children in school right now, you still get to elect those who are supposed to serve in the best interest of everyone.

The single fact that they have NO evidence linking dress codes to better results or reduced violence, is the main reason everyone is opposed. They passed this on pure opinion and nothing else. And whatever research they may have done isn't universal. The same things that work in Metro Nashville or any other large school districts do not work here.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:19 PM

I personally don't see how changing a child's clothing will produce good kids though.

There are many children with bad attitudes but making them dress alike will not change their attitudes.

I am sure many of these same children still will not abide by the dress code no matter how much they are placed in ISS or OSS because many of them feel they are above the law and rules, as do their parents and sadly in many cases they are correct.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM

For heaven's sakes members of Congress all probably dress pretty well, even the president does. That doesn't mean they are smarter, wiser, or less violent than the next person.

In fact, the most well dressed president started the most unnecessary war, and used lies to sell it. So, just because he and others dress well, doesn't mean they make any better citizens than the next.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:21 PM

Diana, you're right different clothes won't make good kids. Different parents might be the trick but there's nothing you or I can do about that.

Darrick, I think they made a judgement call. Maybe in some opinions not the right one, but a call nonetheless because there are parents as diana mentioned that believe their children shouldn't adhere to the same rules as others.

So, when you have adults like that, you end up with children like that. It creates a cycle that has to stop somewhere and if one child figures out that they can not break the rules regardless of what they, or their parents, think then they have done their jobs.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:28 PM

"Breaking rules" is something many people have done over time. Oppressive, useless, and unsubtantiated rules that sought to divide classes of people.

I am all for civil disobedience, it is what started this country!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:33 PM

No Laura you don't see, these students still will not abide by the new dress code. Some will be given ISS or OSS but let me assure you all of them will not be required to have the punishment, much like it is now.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Who are these kids that go unpunished?

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:37 PM

darrick, I just really think this is not an oppressive, useless rule. At the same time, I don't think it will save the world. It is just ONE more in a long list of rules. Not that big a deal, in my opinion.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Laura,

You are not seeing the big picture, The board expressed this is going to place ALL children on an even playing field.

This is a blatant lie! Why?

The budgets of alot of families to send their child to school, clothe them, feed them and allow them to do ONE single extra-curricular activity has now been taken away. What this does is allow the financially superior to continue to allow their kids to have the leg up because they can afford those programs. This has now caused a larger chasm for the desperate children and teens to excel with GOD-GIVEN gifts, not the ones that Mommy and Daddy buys.

This policy is wrong, it forces parents to buy clothes that aren't needed, and takes the money away from the child's future development in their CHOSEN activity. And why is this happening, because a failed school system cannot enforce their own policies.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:42 PM

I am required to wear business attire every day. The minute I walk in the door I change clothes. I do not buy a lot of casual clothes simply because I can't afford both, and the same applies where my kids are concerned (now)!

My children see me as I saw my mother dress in business attire daily. I dressed as a teenager when I was one, all that changed when I became an adult in the working world!

As for having rights to use drugs...figure of speach.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:42 PM

EM, do your children not get new clothes at the begining of each school year? I know I did. I also had clothes to wear to school, clothes to play in and Sunday clothes as well. Most kids do. It's just a change in what you'd normally buy. Will it make everyone even? Not likely, there are those who need to feel more worthy. They will find different ways to do so. Is that their faults? No, again that goes back to their parents. Never did I want to do anything to make anyone feel "beneath me" at the same time I wouldn't dumb myself down. There are only kids like that, b/c they have parents like that. The kids are not to blame, nor the school board for the new SSA only the parents who let their children walk around looking like wanna be thugg's and hoochie's. Clothes won't make them better kids, I know that, but it may make them better decision makers when they see (if it goes as planned) there are consequences to their actions, even if permitted by their parents. Your parents don't rule the world and they don't rule the school board. Until you are out of school you will do as they say, within reason. I don't think this is unreasonable.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:52 PM

You just don't seem to get the concept of punishing ALL kids [remember this is the start of something bigger] for the actions of just a few children...

It's ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing individuals as JUST that. Not entire groups of innocent people.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 3:57 PM

No, I totally see what you're saying. I just don't see it as a punishment, just another rule.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:01 PM

Laura,

You are totally missing my point, its about Money. I pay the school board to make decisions based on the majority of the county. So Yes I do have a word.

BUT this policy does not even the field for our students that want to excel in activities in or out of school. Whether they be school-related or not.

For example:

A single mother (a teacher) makes $33,000 a year, her bring home is only around 1,500 dollars. Why? her health insurance is almost 400 dollars. Rent is around 500 dollars. Thats 1000 dollars left over. That is 250 a week left over for groceries, electric, telephone, gas, car payments, car insurance, and maybe cable tv. Little Susie is a cheerleader this year, because her single mom saved every penny.

Next year, Susie won't be a cheerleader because her mom will have to buy her new school uniform.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:02 PM

Laura,

It is a "rule" that punishes for a lifetime.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:02 PM

Violators will not all be punished the same, that's a given! Teachers and other faculty have favorites like it or not.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:03 PM

EM, I get your point I really do. Ok, so about money, does susie not get new clothes at the begining of each school year already? That was my question.

And I didn't mean you didn't have a say so, what I meant was if your child gets in trouble you can't just march your happy tail up to the school board, cry injustice and they go free. It's not how this world works. You know that. That's the analogy I was using, kids need to know that they, neither mommy or daddy rule the world. Just the specific region they live in (their homes). If that means punishing the unpunished then do it.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Violators will not all be punished the same, that's a given! Teachers and other faculty have favorites like it or not.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:03 PM

So, call em out on it. Make it a point that they know that not only you know they are treating others unfairly but that their supervisors will know as well.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Laura,

So susie should wear a polo shirt and plain jeans everywhere now? Remember she can only afford 2 out of the 3 outfits, each being.

1) regular "after school or play" clothes, so she isn't laughed at when she goes out.

2) SSA clothes

3) cheerleading outfit.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:19 PM

Laura, I'm not trying to sound condescending by any means. They all stick together just as the school board has done. Some were on the fence but caved under pressure! The faculty work together daily therefore have peer pressure as well.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:21 PM

And devan, I don't get it.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Don't get what? That making an accusation based entirely on unfounded speculation is wrong. Really sounds like dirty politics to be. I think I have heard you correct someone for doing the same thing regarding Ron Paul and Barack Obama.

-- Posted by devan on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:28 PM

And lets not forget about little Joey whose Dad lost his job last year because the factory in which he worked closed down and moved Overseas. Joey's Dad had to take a job making half of the amount he was use to making at his previous job. Joey's Mom had never worked outside the home but got a job at a local retail store making 6.50 an hour. They are barely making ends meet now. Joey loves Basketball and is a pretty good player but his family will have to make him understand they now have to buy extra clothing in addition to the clothing he wears everyday and to church. So little Joey will no longer be able to play basketball there is no funds left over for things that aren't necessary. Not to mention the numerous other children in the same boat. I guess there will be a lot of children having to wear SSA approved clothing even on weekends.

That doesn't count the 100's of other children right here in Bedford County who depend on hand me downs for their child's school clothes.. we'll have to tell them this year there are no hand me downs for SSA..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:49 PM

Don't get what? That making an accusation based entirely on unfounded speculation is wrong. Really sounds like dirty politics to be. I think I have heard you correct someone for doing the same thing regarding Ron Paul and Barack Obama.

-- Posted by devan on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 4:28 PM

Hmm, well perhaps that person should use their real names... Something I have no problem doing. Besides lets not change the subject here.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 6:06 PM

What is your real name, Darrick? I also live in Unionville and graduated from Community, but I don't believe I know you. I think you are probably quite a bit younger than I am, but I was curious if I actually knew you or not.

-- Posted by Mike Molder on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 7:21 PM

I am sure you know my parents. Email me at darrick_04@yahoo.com

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Feb 25, 2008, at 7:28 PM

Evil Monkey, Don't get me wrong I didn't grow up privileged by any means. I grew up normal, matter of fact until I realized that some of the "rich" people in school lived right beside me in the same cookie cutter houses I thought we were poor, lol. Not that we didn't eat or weren't well taken care of, we just didn't have money running out of our ears, so to speak. I just think that some of you are blowing this way out of proportion. It's just not that serious. It's one more rule. So what if Susie wore polo shirts on the weekends, I did. So what if she goes outside to play in the clothes she wore to school last year, I did. As far as her mom not being able to afford a cheerleading uniform, well I have news for you if Susie wants it and her mom cares that she does and knows that it would cause Susie damage in the long run if she doesn't get it, her mom will make sure that Susie has her uniform. Even if it means (and I don't think it will) that her mom can't buy that new pair of shoes. Oh, and about Susie getting laughed at, kids are mean they'll laugh at another every time they get a chance. Mean kids come from mean adults and then turn into them, Susie will have to get used to not fitting in and then she will come to appreciate it. Personally, I like not being lumped into the same category as most 23 year olds. As does Darrick, just ask him. Have we both been laughed at for not fitting in and doing typical stupid things? Yes, and not only do neither of us care we are both better people for it.

Disgusted, it takes a really weak mind to crack under pressure, especially peer pressure. If that is the case and you feel like some students are going unpunished then speak out, that's the only way it's going to change. If you feel strongly enough about it then take it to the school board, if you don't get the results you want there take it above them. You don't have sit in the corner and keep your mouth shut b/c some people aren't going to agree with you.

Diana, let's face it. That is not the case in most households. That is an extreme hypothetical case. What if the moon crashed into the earth and blew up all the SSA approved clothing so the factories in China had to work overtime and make more causing prices to go way up? It's extreme and I think everyone is aware of that.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 7:23 AM

How would some of you feel if you knew you had to make a decision that would make a lot of people very upset with you, regardless of which way you voted?

It's not an easy spot to be in but someone has to do it.

After reading all of your opinions and considering your arguments, it seems to me a very few students, with approval of their parents, have pushed the limits too far.

Knowing in advance this will be a controversial comment since some won't see it as only an analogy and accuse me of referring to ALL students as animals even though I have always thought the world of our kids, I think this should be considered.

Did a line have to be drawn before this matter of proper school attire reached the point of the animals running the zoo?

-- Posted by bomelson on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Laura, Please do not be so naive to think that is extreme because it is only not extreme but it is true.

If you truly believe everyone in this town can afford SSA clothing for their children and extras also you surely need to get out more.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 9:48 AM

Diana, we'll have to agree to disagree.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 9:51 AM

I, personally, like the idea of uniformity in the dress code for students. My opion stated, I am tired of reading all the arguing and name calling in the blogs. That is why I stopped reading Michael Bells blogs. State your opinion and quit arguing. I really like to hear what Bo has to say, but I stop reading when all the "children" start their name calling.

-- Posted by mindyg on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 10:16 AM

If the Bedford County School System could have provided an organization or company that makes SSA clothes, through some kind of government assistance program, whose clothes were priced at a ratio between Walmart and the Good Samaritan thrift stores prices, $3.00 - $10.00 per pants and tops then this would not be such a "Burden" on people that are perhaps living on welfare, or check to check.

You are not going to find to many pants or shirts at those prices, unless they are on sale; and they will probably have some kind of design or other colors on them. Some people who have many children, will be paying way more money out than other parents. And not being able to buy these type of clothes from a thrift store or at the thrift store prices may cause these children to be absent more often than needed. Have they allowed "ALL" the children to wear blue jeans now? Or is it just the K - 5 grade? If so, that does help some.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:41 AM

Don't see any name calling on here.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:43 AM

mindyg...I feel the same way. I love to read about everyone's opinion. But it stop's when everyone start all the name callng .I am surprised to read all I have read from a teacher. That really shock's me alot. I hope she does teach at my son school. I do not believe she does because she kept talking about taking student's to the nurse to change clothes. At my son school there is no nurse there all the time. They must have alot of clothes at that school on hand to be able to take student's there to change into. If that is the case then maybe we should find out what school that is and give them a call to help out some of these families with the new dress code.We do not care much about this new dress code. But there are alot of thing's in life we do not like. But we have to deal with it. We do not like paying 3.09 a gallon for gas. But we have to. We can not afford it either but we have no other choice but to buy it. The same is for the school clothes. If you want your child to go to school then you are going to have to buy these things for them.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Momof3&3step&1gran, that's a pretty good idea. Maybe someone could bring that up to the school board and have them see what they could do. It may not be written in stone but if all the kids HAVE to order from a particular company there could be a huge discount. However, that does mean ALL and is further restrictive and most people aren't going to like it when you take their options out. Good base though. It should be considered.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:45 AM

EM, I don't see any name calling either. I think this has been a decently civil debate for the most part. Remarkably civil for 117 posts, lol.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:51 AM

Why do people think they don't have a choice? Yes, you do have a choice and a voice. You have a vote too. Exercise it. I know I will and do. And I do not hide, people know how I am and I tell them to their face.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 11:57 AM

Two out of my four that are all old enough to do their chores (limited I must add) caused me to make a decision that affects all of them. Monday morning on my way out the door I took the wireless box off the main computer. Monday afternoon I came home with everyone asking what's wrong with the computers and where's the connector? I simply state that it's at work and I will not bring it back until everyone can do their part! So far it hasn't done any good and it's Wednesday. How long do I punish the two that are doing their part and how fair is this? Sound familiar?

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Freakishly familiar!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 9:54 PM

hey did you guys want to have an outing sometime? Maybe at a local place to eat?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM

many are missing the point. noone is trying to tell you how to raise your children. the attire is a stepping stone in controlling the gang and drug problems in the schools.. for example, many gangs are designated by the colors or the way they wear their clothing and it is very easy to hide drugs and weapons in large or baggy clothing not tucked in and looking neat..

i am all for the dress code and have been ever since i heard the first school word of it. i would have liked the code when i was in school. im pretty sure schools that have uniforms or formal dress codes have better grades and attendance and behavior on average. i would like to see bedford co have those same high averages.

once it takes place , everyone will see that it will make a difference.

-- Posted by someonecares on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:32 PM

the attire is a stepping stone in controlling the gang and drug problems in the schools.. ..

im pretty sure schools that have uniforms or formal dress codes have better grades and attendance and behavior on average.-- Posted by someonecares on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:32 PM

Hmm, so now we just dress them all alike so whatever gang activity there is will much harder to distinguish.. It's like finding a missing brown cow in a field of 400 brow cows... Makes NO SENSE! Lastly, your wording 'i'm pretty sure' statement about grades and attendance corresponding with dress codes is something our B.O.E. has yet to prove... It's purely hpothetical and without basis. I often wonder though, does wearing standardized attire help you know when to capitalize words and put two spaces between your sentences? Or do clothes have any bearing in that situation?

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:40 PM

And the only difference it will make is everyone will look like employees rather than students. SOME parents wallets will be highly affected... nobody has yet to explain how TWO wardrobes are "less expensive" than ONE??? Finally, as mentioned before, it's not going to be easy to pick out the criminals and drug dealers when in a crowded hallway all the potential suspects look strikingly similar...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:42 PM

excuse me for not using the proper capitalization techniques and grammar in my blog. im not here to impress with my wits or big words or how i use them. i am simply stating my opinion. the way i space my sentences has nothing to do with my opinion, but thank you so much for finding something else to complain about. if you hadn't , im sure one of these others would have.

-- Posted by someonecares on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:06 PM

I noticed on the final draft of the dress code, it doesn't say that pants, shorts, or skirts have to be a certain color. It only says that they have to be solid colors. Is that correct, or am I missing something?

-- Posted by Richard on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 12:14 AM

If we are really concerned about academic performance and decreasing violence, then why don't we go ahead with uni-sex classes? That is another 'trend'.

-- Posted by nellie on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 5:30 AM

im pretty sure schools that have uniforms or formal dress codes have better grades and attendance and behavior on average.

Great! No more learning disabilities, flu, strep throat, or kids with ADD.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 8:25 AM

Well, if you want a real cure, why not circumcise the males in school until they graduate? That should curb the aggression in schools.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 11:57 AM

"Well, if you want a real cure, why not circumcise the males in school until they graduate? That should curb the aggression in schools."

HAHA I had a brainfart, I meant to neuter the males.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 12:00 PM

LOL I thought so EM however I didn't think either of the procedures you mentioned could be reversed. =)

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 12:07 PM

I was wondering about that! LOL

-- Posted by Disgusted on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 12:07 PM

Neither can giving ISS or OSS or taking away afterschool activities for the unfortunate people that have to pay for this retarded dress code.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 2:39 PM

I have 4 children, 2 of which that have gone through middle school. Of these two children, one is a straight A student (a girl) and the other.. well, let's just say he isn't. The dress code has always been the same at the school that they go to, from day one. My son, the one not so crazy about school, got in a lot of trouble at school. And when he didn't get into trouble on his own, I was being called about him not tucking his shirt in of all things. Now my daughter. We constantly argue about the clothes she wears. Her dad doesn't notice what she wears so when she is under his care there may be days that she goes to school in the inappropriate attire that I would not allow. But, because she doesn't get into trouble on a regular basis and because she makes good grades, I have never been called to school. Now, during a parent teacher conference one of the teachers mentioned that her shirt appeared a little "small" but didn't want to call her out. If that had been my son, there wouldn't have been a problem calling him out, I assure you.

Now, I am glad my daughter has earned that respect, but, I am also glad for the uniforms, and not only because of the double standard.

And as far as the two sets of attires? Well, my children have always had to have separate ball clothes, and separate cheerleading clothes, ect. If they want other clothes to wear "out", then they better be earning some money, cause last I checked, I couldn't afford a pair of $150.00 blue jeans X 4 anyway. But, my oldest children have always been resourseful, mowing grass and babysitting and such. I think the uniforms will be cheaper and I will be able to pass them on to the younger children too. I really like the idea myself. Sorry for those that disagree.

-- Posted by JenniferC on Fri, Mar 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM

You just confirmed what those of us who disagree are concerned about.

The 'new'dress code will not be enforced consistently and it will cause students who have not been breaking the rules to get in trouble. There is a chance that the ones who are now making good grades will decide to rebel and not continue as they have been. Teachers may even be more inclined to call out good students because they don't want to have to confront the troublemakers any more than they already are.

It is always a fine line with teenagers and I am afraid that the school board has crossed that line and picked the wrong battle to fight. Remember, their ultimate goal is to eliminate gang activity. Instead they are punishing kids who have been good students who may now even start taking interest in what the gangs are about when they weren't before. The money is not an issue with me, but it will be for some.

Teachers will also now have one more thing to worry about. They are already having to address all the requirements for NCLB. Your daughter's teacher probably wouldn't have even been concerned with her shirt if the dress code hadn't been passed.

I would welcome your vote for it--but we weren't given that opportunity.

-- Posted by nellie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:41 AM


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