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Mending or meddling?

Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008, at 10:58 PM

America attempting to Americanize the rest of the world is, to me, a dangerous path.

Do you think Iraq and other Middle East countries will change to democracies?

Does this political policy gain America friends or create enemies?

If you were a citizen of another country would you approve of some other nation telling you how you should live?

I don't claim to know the answers, but I see our military practically strained to the breaking point, our ecomomy in trouble and our personal freedoms sometimes compromised.

Are we mending or meddling?

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I think it's Amsterdam...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 9:06 PM

We are just a meddlesome nation...I always heard that the real reason that we know that there is no life on Mars is because we haven't tried to conquer them or give them any aid.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 2:14 PM

Well Darrick and Evil Monkey, I don't know what country it is, but please do tell, so I can start learning the language and get my bags packed :)

-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 10:05 AM

AMEN... and I know exactly which country you are referring to there EM :)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:11 PM

I know of a country like that, and pot is legal there and so is sex. Universal healthcare, 35 hour work weeks, 4 weeks of paid vacation. Their taxes are no higher than ours because everything is included instead of nickel and dime-ing you do death like the States do.

If we are a free people, and the governments can tax us for their "services". Why can we tax them when they pull us over, stop us in the street to ask us a question, want us to do public service, vote for them, just like they do to us when we need their help? Pretty sad when it is only a one-way street.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 10:53 PM

Why don't we countries try a different kind of competition?

Not like the Olympics.

Not like "Jeopardy".

Not even like the "Extreme Makeover" games where one takes over a nation and (with prior consent or not) changes it to fit one's own tastes.

How about we see which country can have the best environmental record,healthiest and best educated populace,lowest crime rate,greatest contributions to the arts and sciences,best human (and non-human) rights records and best economy?

Different divisions could be made based on the level of the country at the start of the game.

Folks could affirm the superiority of their genes and ideologies by how well they worked rather than by bragging or destroying anyone who was different.

A free press and free academia and science would be mandatory.

(In the absence of natural disaster,having a lot of people fleeing from a country is a bad thing.)

The countries who have the most beauty and contentment and the least fear and despair win.

The lifestyles that are the most emulated and least imposed win.

So far,we've been saying rights are God-given.

We've said "liberty and justice for all".

We've even endorsed:

"Give me your tired,your poor,your huddled masses yearning to be free,the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these,the homeless,tempest-tossed to me,I lift my light beyond the golden door!"

The Old Colossus stood across the world he had conquered,brazen as he could be.

The new was the Mother of Exiles,giver of solace and sustenance to all in need.

Perhaps,we need a third member of this triad for all the planet: one that does not take ownership of the world (through enslavement or adoption) but finds its victory in being its best self and giving aid to those who want it in constructing their own,authentic prosperity.

It would represent those who are secure enough not to need bloodshed or the suppression of freedom to assure their own welfare and public image.

It would represent trust in the worth of people and what they can acheive.

It would declare that this part of the universe has no place for masters or victims-only a family with varied and innumerable strengths among its members.

Let our actions be the means by which we demonstrate our virtues-not the way we force others' deference to us.

We can no longer support a world of hosts and parasites.

Every people must find its strength and become part of a symbiosis.

Otherwise,whether or not we live in isolation,we will fall together.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 4:06 PM

Jkelley, I agree 100%... How's that for a deviation of the norm? LOL

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 2:36 PM

I think America could stop and take a look at some of these other countries and their policies ranging from violence to religion or criminals. I think there is alot to learn and we are on the wrong track by letting everyone inside our borders and letting them tell us that they have rights. I think the Pledge of Alligiance has been taken way out of context for these people.....with liberty and justice for all.....should mean only Americans. I think if we would address the issue of letting others come here, alot of our problems would be solved instantly. As for the high-up officials who continue to do wrong and think they are pulling the wool over our eyes, there are lots more who just haven't come to light yet. This country is totally out of control and can't seem to get a grip.

-- Posted by jkelley on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 1:54 PM

I agree, plus I feel like a hypocrite when we go around the world and try and tell other countries how they need to exist when our country is flawed itself. We need to spend more time and money taking care of America and fixing its problems before we go out and fix the problems of other countries. We talk about the governments of other countries are corrupt but yet if you look at our government, is it much better? I love this country and being a citizen but we have work to do to take this country back and make it great like it once was.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Not every problem has an American solution. Nuff said.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:17 PM

I also love living here. Does it really matter how we feel about anything? The government is going to do what they want to do no matter how we feel.Is it our place to tell other's how to live? We have so many problems here that I feel that our problems should come 1st. It seems like every time we turn on the new's there is someone in the government using our tax money to buy sex.We need to get thing's straight here instead of tring to make other's live the way we want them to live.I may be very wrong about this. But this is just what I think.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:04 PM

oh duh wrong thread I need a edit button more every day LOL

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM

Yep he's harsh but I usually agree with what he says...but he could be a bit more tactful. He's Simon and that's what he does.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM

I am not happy with everything our government does but I would STILL rather live here than anywhere else. When you are convinced that what you do is the best, it is hard not to want to share it.

I like many things about the Eastern Asian culture, but when I was there, I was pleased to come home. The China we know now could not have organized under democracy. With the ever constant struggle going on between warring factions, it probably would never have formed like Europe either.

Without rehashing the war etc., what would others propose?

If we turn control over to a dictator, would we not be criticized for that? If we suddenly left them in a vacuum, would that be the best thing? Remember what occurred when we pulled our support from Afghanistan.

Isolationism has many drawbacks as well as opening borders, so what is a "one way fits all" solution? What will please everyone?

We don't need name calling, what is the solution? I believe we will find it is very illusive and anything but "black & white".

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 8:22 AM

Yeah and that bigger bully is China. China is playing nice right now since they like us to buy things from them but if it wasn't for China supporting our dollar, we would be even worse shape.

With that many people and its constantly growing middle class and its increasing need for natural resources, soon it will learn the art of bullying too and we won't be able to stop them and the rest of the world won't care if we get lost in the shuffle because our government has alienated us so much.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 6:46 AM

We are not only meddling we are the bullies on the school yard.

What I fear is the fact there is always a bigger bully out there just waiting on you.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:18 PM

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Bo Melson is a retired sports and police beat editor of the Times-Gazette. He passed away November 15, 2014, at age 81.
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