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Innocent involvement

Posted Friday, March 14, 2008, at 4:14 PM

Have you ever innocently been placed in a an embarrassing, even compromising, position by the action of someone?

This happened to me many times before I retired from the T-G, especially in the wee hours of the morning when I was out covering some police beat activity and even when I was inside the building writing stories or printing pictures.

As an example, one married woman, often met her boyfriend well back in the T-G parking lot. I was always aware what was going on around the building in the wee hours and I knew sooner or later something would happen.

On that night, they parked not in a marked parking spot but directly behind my car. I was called out by police. I ran out with my camera in my hand and banged on the side of their car. He hid. She rolled the window down and remarked, "I guess you are going to tell everyone in town about this!"

"That depends on whether you move this car right now and let me out of here," I told her.

She called the next day and meekly asked, "You didn't take a picture did you?"

Of course I didn't and told her so but I've often wished I had told her that I had and was keeping it just in case it ever happened again.

Have you ever had any similar embarrassing incident happen to you?

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We did pay for it to just put it behind us and go on.I did call the school board and was told to take it up with the school. So I had my say to them ...the 15.00 was paid and walked out..Just was not going to bring myself down to their level..STUPID...

-- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 6:57 AM

rebelrose, so he just removed (supposedly) a pin to the hitch? Those are like 5 bucks at walmart. If he was accused of only removing the pin and you just wanted it over I'd just buy a new pin. Unless, they're accusing him of also removing the ball? If you're just dead set on not paying it b/c you and your son know he didn't take it then I wouldn't pay it. I would start at the board of education and go up if I had to.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 7:23 AM

I went to the school on monday and had a meeting with the vice principal and officer Fox about putting the blame on my son and 2 other boy's and not doing anything to the boy that pulled his truck around to the side of the school during class and gave one of the boy's the tool's to remove the teacher's tail light and even told the boy what to do. I asked to see the video from the camera outside were the teacher's truck was sitting to see my son doing what they said he did. Which was remove a pin from the tail hitch. I was told there was no tape and asked why and was told there just is not one.For the boy that supplied the tools for the boy that did take the tail light out. I asked why he wasn't in ISS also. Was told he just wasn't. And he was the judge and the trail was over and that was it. The 15.00 had to be paid. They could have held it against him when he graduate and would not be able to walk with them in the senior walk. Officer Fox was going to arrest me for talking to loud when I told them to never call my son STUPID..LIAR..or any other names. The vice was suppose to tell my son he was sorry but as of today he has not.My son was sick yesterday and we had to take him to the doc and then go get his medicine. He got a note from his doctor and took the note in and was told to bad he still had to make up that day in ISS after they go back from their break next week....The class is Technology

-- Posted by rebelrose on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 6:10 PM

Oh boo hoo!Not my tail whooped. LOL

-- Posted by For the kids on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 5:10 PM

You need your tail whooped.

-- Posted by seedsower on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Your negative attitude is also!!!!

-- Posted by For the kids on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:21 PM

Sorry I dont play lotto. It is the work of the devil.

-- Posted by seedsower on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:42 PM


I am surprised that a teacher would allow teenagers to hang out in the parking lot and move their vehicles around during class. That's just asking for trouble. What kind of class is this?

From your story, it seems that they don't know who did it, so they're blaming everyone who could have done it.

I agree with Evil Monkey. I wouldn't pay the $15.00, unless they can prove something.

-- Posted by Richard on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:50 PM

seedsower, since you seem to know all could you please give me the winning lotto numbers? I am glad you like to only antagonize because of peole like you I am learning patience and compassion for those who know no better. You have a good night and I hope you have a blessed day tomorrow.

-- Posted by For the kids on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:26 PM

wow i have a kindergardener and this is what i have to look forward to in our schools? great. i think i am gonna research homeschooling. rebelrose i hope all works out and as for seedsower and the remarks some people have to much time on their hands and just act immaturly so i wouldnt take the comments very seriously!! i agree with you 100% its a parents job to protect kids even if he did mess with the truck he should not have been verbally abused like that!

-- Posted by jdw931 on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:13 PM

Yep...he did it.

-- Posted by seedsower on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:00 PM

I actually agree with you shelbyvegas,on the point that a woman should not hit a man either. That is not what happened in this instance and it was caught on tape. This set of parents went and contacted there lawyer. Mr. Grey himself even came to visit this mother and did not think it was right. I raise boys and I have taught them from the beginning how to treat people. Ladies especially. I once was in an abusive relationshiop as a teen. This guy had watched his dad do it to his mother, so I guess he thought it was what you do. I do first ahnd khow it does not matter how muchyou try to help an abused person get out of the situation, they are not going to leave until they decide to do so. Hopefully it will not be to late.

-- Posted by For the kids on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:11 PM

The parents didn't get any satisfaction and the administration treated her like she did something wrong. Mr. Grey told her to make a formal written complaint at the Board of Ed and it would have to be investigated. Honestly though they still did nothing. I hope it turns out well for your son.

Maybe for once it was investigated and the girl was found to be abusing also-I saw myself a girl onetime hit her boyfriend and when he pushed her back she called the law adn guess what he was arrested before the facts came out that she hit him first-and before someone starts hollering let me emphasize there were impartial witness to the fact that she started the abuse first. That is the trouble with some of these people-just becasue a woman gets hit doesn't mean she is abused. (I DISAGREE WITH ANYONE HITTING ANYONE-but if you are going to fight like a man take it like a man.

-- Posted by shelbyvegas on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM

Jesuslives Thank You for the advice.I am going to the school to talk to them and also ask Officer Fox what he meant by telling my son he was not right in the head. Also ask them what gives them the right to keep calling my son a liar and stupid.There are camera's in the area and I want to see them.If they looked at the film they wwould have seen almost the whole class was hanging outside this teacher's truck and will also see the teacher out there with them at one point talking with them all. SEEDSOWER our son is not a liar and the times he has done wrong he has told us.Let me tell you my son helps buy gifts for children that would not have Christmas and he would help anyone that need's something. He even opens my car door for me to get out every time we go someplace.We talk to our son. We do not need to yell or name call or whoop or beat or hit to get the point across to him. He is a teen-age boy and he has done some things that has up-set us. We talk it out with him and show him that it is wrong and explain why.But when he is blamed for something he did not do then WE get very up-set.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:43 AM

SEEDSOWER do you see good in any child? No our son did not lie to us. we also did our own checking and not one student saw him do anything. The whole class was out there around his truck. He even went outside and talked to them for a while. He was suppose to be teaching them. This is a everyday thing in his class.He took them on a field trip before christmas and all parents signed a note to go to one place and then back to school. But he took them to Hastings and Tractor Supply. I believe that was breaking the rule. He was not suppose to take our children any place else. Maybe yoy need to take a look at yourself before you say someone else is a liar.Those are fighting words to me. No one calls my son names.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:24 AM

seedsower, It is not just kids telling lies. My strep-son was caught with his cell phone at school and had it taken up. I had no problem with that or any punishment that would have came of that. The only punishment by the school was I was supposed to pick up the phone. Apparently at 3:00, I showed up at 2:30. The vice principal asked me how i knew the phone had been taken up and I told him a message was left for me at work. I also told him if there were any other disiplinary measures that needed to be taken we would be fine with that because he had broke the rules. He told me no there were none for us to take care of it at home. I assured him we would. I guess the more the vp thought about it he thought he needed to go on a headhunt. He went to my kid and told him that i said he called me on someone else phone to come pick it up and if he did not tell the vp whose phone he used he would get ISS. My son told him he was not going to tell him he used someone elses phone and that the vp would do what he had to do. I immediately called the school and when my phone call was returned I told him I expected my son to get apology from him for lying and that he lost all credibility when he did that. Everyone expects these kids to be perfect, but how is that going to happen when you have someone in authority setting a bad example. You cannot use intimmidation when trying to teach teenagers. I don't want someone doing it to me, so what makes it right for them. Our situation was resolved, and i give respect where it is do being that my son got an apology. Rebelrose needs to stand up for her son if he is innocent.

-- Posted by For the kids on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 10:53 PM

Your son probably lied to you because you think he does no wrong. The school system should all of the right in the world to do what they feel needs to be done.

-- Posted by seedsower on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 5:12 PM


I feel for you, the problem is they think discipline is punishment. They do not know the difference, they solve problems by punishing children forever, for example, They took his money for a trip to MTSU for him to make a decision for his future. Wow that's a pretty serious punishment for hearsay.

Here is my recommendation during the next election, make sure you either run for a spot on the board or vote for a board member you feel will make a HUGE difference in the way to schools are run. None of the children are given a fair shake, all our guilty until they prove themselves innocent and even then that won't work. (I have proof of that).

Now, they can expect the $15.00 all they want, but until charges are pressed and a warrant is issued I wouldn't pay 1 dime. I would send a nice letter to the board, ALWAYS write a letter, make sure the person recieves it and signs for it. Notate on the bottom you want all correspondence to be written. It is better to do it this way so you have a written record.

What they are doing isn't "policy", so basically I wouldn't even worry about it.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 4:51 PM

Thank you for telling me something.My son get's very up-set when anyone is called these names because he has a sister (our daughter) who is 32 and has Down's sydrome and we have twins that are 25 and the 2nd one had the cord around his neck too long when he was tring to be born and is handcapp too. So we take it very hard when we hear people being called names.He was to go to M.T.S.U on friday on a field trip he paid for and they did not let him go or have his money back either.I feel at a school they have no right to call our children names.They want respect from our children BUT how about giving our children some RESPECT.They also expect each boy to bring in 15.00 to give to the teacher who let them hang out at his truck during class. Anyone else out there HELP. I know they are going to make me feel like a fool tomorrow when I go in there.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 10:45 AM

I feel bad for you rebelrose and I wish i knew some answers for you. I have learned they do what they want. WE had a boy grab a girl around the throat and shove her against some lockers, they gave him ISS. That is assault and he should have been arrested is my oppinion. The parents didn't get any satisfaction and the administration treated her like she did something wrong. Mr. Grey told her to make a formal written complaint at the Board of Ed and it would have to be investigated. Honestly though they still did nothing. I hope it turns out well for your son.

-- Posted by For the kids on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 1:37 AM

What I have to say is nothing like you are talking about BUT my son and other boys at Cascade High school were INNOCENT INVOLVEMENT at Cascade High School. This all went down a week ago but the boy's were not pulled into the office until yesterday. My son told them that he did nothing but they called him a liar and mentaly not right and stupid. What happened is that this teacher that they were in his class let's them go outside during his class or tells them to use the computer or what ever every day. On this day they were all outside hanging around his truck which was parked near the classroom door that day. Well his signal light was taken off and a pin out of his hitch was removed. They knew for sure who took the singal light out. There was another boy that went and got his truck during class and moved it to were the teacher had his parked near the shed out back near the class.He gave the boy that took his light out the tools and told him what to do.But he got into no trouble at all. My son did nothing but was told he was a liar and was told they knew he took the pin out and thru it near the shed and because he knows alot about car's and truck's. He asked if him and Officer Fox and the other person could go out and look around the shed for the pin so he could prove he did not do it and they said NO. Officer Fox even told my son he had something mentally wrong with him. One of the boys that got 5 days ISS did nothing at all either but sit on the teachers tail gate and the teacher even came outside and was talking to them when they were sitting on his tail gate shooting the bull with them.They even took one of the boys in and talked to him and then called my son in and said your buddy said you did it and the other boy said no I did not. I told you he did not do it. They got 5 days ISS and are suppose to bring in 15.00 each to give to the teacher on Monday.I called Mr.Grey and thought he would help me because I am very up-set having them call my son all those names.I got no help and was told I needed to take it up with them at school. They are the problems...Should they have the right to call students name' and blame them for something they did not do and let another child off free knowing thet he gave the other student the tools to do what he did? PLEASE someone give me so good advise.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 8:51 AM

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Bo Melson is a retired sports and police beat editor of the Times-Gazette. He passed away November 15, 2014, at age 81.
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