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Disappointing night

Posted Thursday, September 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM

I watched President Obama's speech to congress and was turned off before he ever said a word. All of that ridiculous pomp and pageantry at the very beginning just screamed out at me.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton led off the cabinet members parading in by walking down the aisle with a big smile on her face and hugging everyone with the exception of Bo, the presidential dog. She reminded me of Paula Abdul during her days on American Idol.

Can you think of healthcare proposals or anything else the American people have to smile about at this point in time as far as politicians are concerned?

One of the first things that crossed my mind before President Obama said the first word was what our forefathers who drew up the constitution would have thought if somehow they could have watched last night's spectacle. That thought stayed with me from start to finish.

What would they have thought of the entire situation? Would they have been shocked at the huge and foolish debts congress has piled on the backs of taxpaying citizens? How would they react after seeing what we've sent to Washington D.C. to represent us?

Somehow I feel certain they would wonder what on earth has happened and what should be done to get things right again.

Would they think the best thing to do would be to send them all home and start over again?


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I think "liar" said it all

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 7:27 PM

I say the Debt of America, is the fault of mostly all America. People trying to live above their means, banks and credit companies allowing them to, and people that shouldn't take advantage of welfare doing so, and the Government allowing them to do it. People with health issues creating alot of debt that may be prevented if Health Insurance would have allowed, and covered preventive health check ups and medicine. No one thinking smarter and no one looking ahead for the consequences of the future.

I am with you slingshot on what the Forefathers would have thought. And perhaps some certain people still don't know what Obama's Healthcare Reform plan was, is because their mind was to cloudy with hate and judgement for the man they are looking at, rather than hearing what the benefits maybe for the people. Their are some things I do like about the plan, and their are some things that I have a little concern with. I do feel it was inappropriate for the outburst from Wilson, I believe he should have waited to say his outburst to the public after they were done. Their are MANY foreigners here in America that are not Legal Citizens, that is piling up Debt in the Health field and more. So I will wait and see How that turns out.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 2:36 PM

BTW chs61, you will find that Obama's approval rating is only at 49% so that means half the nation does not agree with Obama now after they actually seen the job he is doing.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plai...

Maybe you should learn some facts beforehand.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 2:30 PM

chs61 . . . Bush was booed and hissed at by the Democrats at several of his addresses. Both parties have been less than classy over the years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71...

What Wilson did was no less disrespectful than what the Democrats did in that video. I am sorry, but to criticize Wilson and act as though Republicans are the only ones who do such things is hypocritical.

It's funny how people tend to forget such things.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 2:25 PM

One has to wonder if this healthcare bill is so important, and as the proponents say "something needs to be done NOW" why would it not go into effect until 2013?

Notably, that is the year after the next presidential election. Does obama fear an electorate who has felt the effects of obamacare would be less likely to re-elect him?

If it will be almost 4 years until it takes effect why the rush to pass it?

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 2:06 PM

Republican Representative Joe Wilson's actions are a disgrace to the Republican Party, his state, his supporters and voters, and our Nation. He displayed his ignorance to the world on national tv and proved being low class or no class does not exclude you from holding public office. God save us from idiots like him! President Obama displayed more class by accepting his apology than Joe Wilson has probably displayed in his whole sorry career. Joe Wilson should resign and at least perform one honorable act in his untalented, unremarkable tenure. He should be ashamed that this act will be recorded in history as the most memorable act of his career. I feel sorry for the people of South Carolina. A wise man once said " It is better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt." Joe Wison should wear the T shirt. He is one of the sick wackos who would rather see American fail than have any Democrat in office. Even as sorry as Bush was, he was never treated with the disrespect while giving a Congressonal speach as done by Joe Wilson. (Maybe someone should have taken a shoe off and thrown it at Redneck Joe.) Revisit the vote count, more than half of our country does not agree with you.

-- Posted by chs61 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 1:18 PM

It was very disrespectfull of the Senator from SC to do that from a Republican stand point. Dems. did it for years and narry a word was said when they disrespected President Bush. Be that as it may,-IT WAS PRICELESS TO SEE NANCY PALOSI'S FACE WHEN HE DID THAT. I'd like to hit replay on that one. She's finding out the hard way that you reap what you sow.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 10:46 AM

Glad to see the same old rhetoric from nathan.evans and slingshot . . . it almost reads like a script. Bush hasn't been president for nine months now and it is Obama's government now and last time I check Bush wasn't writing those massive checks and the huge debt we are incurring this year that makes what Bush spent look like nothing. I did not like Bush at all but just because Bush screwed things up doesn't give Obama a free pass to do the same thing. It is becoming somewhat sad but amusing at the same time to see this lack of knowledge or understanding that keeps perpetuating these discussions. Democrats and Republicans both are destroying this country and Obama is now leading the charge.

Oh well, stupidity runs amuck and unfortunately nothing seems to cure it.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 7:34 AM

Slingshot, your forefathers may have had slaves but mine came to America as endentured servants. And a great deal of the debt that the resident enherited and no one seems to recall was because he asked GW to sign a bill to give him access to rescue funds as soon as he was coronated. A large portion of which is still to be spent. Now GW has to take the blame for those funds simply because he honored Obama's request. I guess there are those who make the kool-aid and there are those who drink it. And then there are those who distrust any help the goober-mint offers.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 5:04 AM

You know that if we are blaming Bush for every thing that is happening here 200 days into Obama's term. Then I guess it was Clinton's fault for the whole September 11th 2001 thing. No, I think you folks that voted for Obama that continue to blame Bush, also blame Bush for that one too. I keep forgetting your rules for casting blame. One of these days I'll get right.

-- Posted by docudrama on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 2:50 AM

I personally like the protocol followed for joint sessions speeches. The pomp also has a purpose regarding separation of powers and lines of succession.

I only got to hear the last few minutes because of a board meeting (you know, the business of medicine). I think the subject matter was a little contrived. This wasn't a state of the union speech or a matter of national security, this was a policy speech. It could have very easily been given to the VFW, ARRP or NAACP.

From excerpts I've heard and read, it went pretty much like I figured. Lots of setting up straw men only to knock them down. Vague on details, not so much on the price (not sure how you can do both with a straight face, the guy's got a gift).

I think the only way he gets out of this conundrum is to accept some of the republican ideas and garner some votes across the aisle. If congress rams this through without republican's even lukewarm support the off year elections will be a massacre and he knows it. The run for a second term won't be a cakewalk either. Maybe in the next few weeks congress can sit down and actually discover that the shortest distance between two points really is a straight line i.e. stay focused on the actual problem and how to fix it.

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 9:54 PM

slingshot - Stay classy, buddy. I think you forgot to drop an f-bomb or two in your post.

At what point does Obama start getting to be held accountable for his administration? We all know that Bush screwed up fiscally (ok, that was an understatement), but we're 199 days into his term as President. That's 13.7% of his term, is 20% a good place to say that he's now responsible? There has been no progress made in the 199 days that Barack Obama has been President with regards to unemployment or the economy.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 9:26 PM

Nathan - More competition equals lower prices, EVERY time.

Can you imagine how much cellular service would cost if there were still only two or three carriers?

Why do you think cable is so expensive? Probably has something to do with the fact that the states refuse to allow competition amongst cable providers.

Do you remember how much broadband was before there were numerous providers that offered high-speed?

If the insurance companies were allowed to operate across state lines there would be more competition.

If you can think of a single instance where more competition meant higher prices, please enlighten me.

As for finding a doctor that accepts your insurance, generally the insurance company will provide you with a list of doctors on their plans. Regardless, we should go back to when health insurance was there to pay for the expensive things and WE took care of the rest. People didn't go to the doctor for a cold generally, because they knew the doctor couldn't do anything for it.

If the consumer (patient) accepted some of the responsibility and were allowed to make their own informed decisions based on prices and references then prices would definitely come down.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 9:16 PM

Bo you do mean all of the debt that the Republican party put on our backs, on President bushes watch don't you? Seeing how your forefathers had slaves and endorsed slavery i think you know what that would have thought about What I helped send to Washington to represent us. I will tell you the first words that came out of his mouth were a hell of a lot better than anything that Bush let ever come out of his!! I know that there are a lot of people here like you that would see this country go straight to hell before they would ever let THIS MAN represent us. We are in this situation not because of "this man" SOME people seem to want to forget that, if some people stop telling lies and spreading fear to ignorant people he might get something done. I know that there are people here that would rather have 20 more years of Bush than have THIS MAN REPRESENT US,he may not represent you but he definitely represents me, he has more integrity, more common sense than Bush ever had. How in the hell could anyone call Obama self-centered, bush was the most egotistical, self centered, (good ole boy) that you could be. Obama stepped into a total Nightmare, but he was damned by so many before he said a word. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. At least Obama and the rest of the party didn't walk in with powdered wigs on there heads...never understood why they did that.....i know that's alot of pomp and pagentry.

-- Posted by slingshot on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 9:10 PM

I believe that Obama loves all the pagentry and basks in the lights of the TV cameras. I find him very self-centered, and as much as I dislike him, I do not believe that the senator should have yelled out liar. The senator is an adult and considered a leader in our country, and should refrain from name calling. I do think that he has lied to the American people about health insurance companies dropping coverage when someone gets sick. If a person has a pre-existing illness, or lied on an application, they are not going to be covered for that particular illness.

-- Posted by cookie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 7:08 PM

"One of the first things that crossed my mind before President Obama said the first word was what our forefathers who drew up the constitution would have thought if somehow they could have watched last night's spectacle. That thought stayed with me from start to finish."

Somehow I don't think that a group of men that wore powdered wigs and thought fighting rank and file in open field was a good idea would have been that impressed by the opening of last night's address.

The substance of President Obama's speech was right on the money, and the Republicans as usual offered nothing of value in their rebuttal. Seriously, allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines?? You can't even get doctors to accept many instate insurance plans now! How am I going to find a doctor in Alabama to accept a policy from New Hampshire? Typical Republican ideas, and I use that term losely.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 5:30 PM

I agree 100%. I tried to make notes of what he said about Health Care Reform, and after looking over my notes, I still don't really know what his plan is! Then, after hearing the republican senator who is also a heart surgeon I believe, making his statement afterward, I guess we should applaude the guy that had the courage to call our leader a liar on national T.V. Some of the statements he made about some of the insurance companies cancelling insurance on folks, when they got sick, was also a bold face lie. Evidentially those folks lied on their applications about health conditions, or the company could not have refused them coverage. I've been an agent for over 30 years and have never known a company to cancel someone's coverage when they became sick. Grant it, their premiums might increase to the point they could no longer afford to pay it, but companies, as far as I know, can not cancel someone's policy because they become sick. Don't know where our great leader got his facts, but seems he didn't have these facts straight, not unlike a lot of his other tactics, to get his way with the American people.

-- Posted by What'sright? on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 3:16 PM


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Bo Melson is a retired sports and police beat editor of the Times-Gazette.
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