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Name A Presidential Candidate?

Posted Monday, July 18, 2011, at 2:44 PM

Forget those wacky national political party nominating conventions by major political parties. All those conventions only convince me a lot of money is being spent by a collection of political hacks.

Who would you like to see run for president of the United States?

Name a person you think is smart enough to represent ALL of the people and get America back on track.


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Herman Cain or Michele Bachmann

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 4:16 PM

Glenn Beck

-- Posted by caligal on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 4:48 PM

Chris Christie (governor of New jersey)

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 6:09 PM

Herman Cain for pres. and Michele Bachman for vice pres.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 6:32 PM

John Bolton

-- Posted by spikee on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 7:55 PM

My dream President is a person who is honest, straightforward, really smart, understands politics, but is not a politician. This is not sent as a means of sucking up or pulling anyones chain.

Think about it. I know Mr. Bo would never run, but his character would really be refreshing to this country that is going down so fast.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Ron Paul? Anyone?

-- Posted by espoontoon on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 8:52 PM

Paul Ryan.

#2 choice: Pat Paulsen. For those not old enough...well ...you're just not old enough :)

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 9:28 PM

Mickey Mouse, he's matured with age and surely could do a better job than our current president.

-- Posted by So_Sue_Me on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 12:08 AM

Florida's very own retired Marine Lt. Colnel and current congressman Alan West would get my vote!

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 12:11 AM

The only man I know of that is that sure of himself and has the drive and determination to overcome the weight of the world on his shoulders, doesn't hold back on what he wants, Tells it like he sees it, doesn't pull any punches and has the money to run with the ball... would be Charlie Sheen!

A man with the understanding of what is going on in the world and what to do to put a stop to this foolishness coming ahead would no doubt be Glenn Beck.

I personally like the idea of Cain. Next would be Michelle Bauchman, but don't know about her husband being named "The First Man"!

Adam was the first man and nothing can change that, so he would have to be called something else for my satisfaction. I suppose he would be referred to as The First Gentleman or would he be The First Dude?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 11:10 AM

Karl Childers (you know, the Sling Blade guy)!

-- Posted by welkindance on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 11:38 AM

It can't get much scarier than your list above, I do say that Charlie Sheen fits in rather well with the other choices listed, he would have about the same amount of concern for America and the citizens as those listed have shown so far. And as far as being a respectable honorable honest candidate well he may even have some of them beat.....Love your list. Does anyone have a real candidate in mind though? One that would be honest,reliable,true to America and honorable, that would represent ALL the citizens of this country rather than the elite, big corporation, KKK approved list of citizens? Someone who is not so wrapped up in their "teabag" rot that they would put America first before destroying the middle class and those they consider beneath them? Or is this all you have, phoneys, back stabbers , folks that would make their goal to finish the ruin of America as our founding fathers had dreamed of. The folks that Hitler would be happy to endorse........

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 9:37 PM

It really doesn't matter who we put in office. THEY DO NOT RUN IT.

People we elect only do what they are told to do by the Puppet Masters who are running the world.

Do all you people actually think one man could do all the things a president does on his own.

Any man who was elected as the President would be too scared to do the things Obama has done. A man would have to be a super human being or a Hitler to just dream up things then make it happen.

For example, look at what people were saying about Obama having the GUTs to order the strike against Osama Bin Laden. If that was gutsy for Obama, how did he manage to violate our constitution and his oath of office and do the things he has done without one word about impeaching him?

No, the presidency is run and controlled by higher up people or I should say MONSTERS.

Any man or woman we put in office will not be able to do what they would like to do to straighten out this mess were in. The Bankers who own and control the world have other plans.

We are heading into a stronger One World Order run by the Elite Bankers to soon be handed over to the Shariah.

You heard President William Clinton say the past day or two that Obama should use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling and keep on spending.

The 14th Amendment does not give the President power to raise the debt ceiling.

It only means that 14th Amendment Citizens who are citizens under the exclusive jurisdiction of our Federal Government can not question the Debt of the United States. The 14th Amendment doesn't apply to American Citizens born in this country in any of the 50 states. Congress is suppose to publish debt information for the Citizens, but then Congress was the ones who were given the power to spend money, not the President.

I have my money on Michelle Bauchman, but I would really hate to see her be corrupted by the Puppet Masters. She should know better being where she is, but she wants a try at it. She will get my vote.

Think about it. We have had several white men and a black man. Things just keep getting worse as the years go bye, Now it's time to try a woman. I'd like to see both Bauchman and Sarah Palin in there working together. Look at the Queen of England and how long she has been reigning. She seems to be doing pretty good, or at least until the protesters and terrorists start up.

There would be no stopping them. If they couldn't straighten out the world, no one could. Say what you will... I am very serious!

I think Cain would make a good try at being president, but he is too concerned about the business end of the job. There is much more to it than running a business or making a profit or even balancing the budget.

What you don't know is... the Deficit will never be paid off. We're lucky it is even being paid on. Every country on this world is Bankrupt and owes their existence to the World Bank and IMF. We are not the IMF although we are a member.

The world bankers will allow us to keep spending until the Anti-christ takes over. If we had a president who actually could lower the Deficit, he or she would be assassinated just like Lincoln and Kennedy were when they tried to change the money situation in America. You noticed how fast L. B. Johnson recalled all the Silver Certificates and melted the silver coins Kennedy tried to put in circulation after his assassination.

Johnson also passed the coinage act eliminating most of the silver in our currency which the Constitution states can only be Gold and Silver.

Now WHO would want to take away our Gold and Silver Standard that keeps our money up with INFLATION? WHY IT"S the WORLD BANKERS - The Puppet Masters of every Country King, Leader or President. King Obama in our case.

These people are not going away just because we elect some one new.

Think back a few years. We have had some weird Vice Presidents in the past, but they never really hurt anything nor did anything Fantastically great. They are kept in control by the One World Order Puppet Masters.

The One World Order isn't something New. It has been going on for years. It just hasn't been talked about until the past 40 years or so.

Who ever you vote for, they will appear to be just like Obama after a while in office, but I do think King Obama needs to step down so we can test the powers of the congress and Presidency.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 11:53 AM

So...just how's that "CHANGE" workin out for ya now??

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 1:01 PM

Unique -----if the president is so powerless, and has no control and just a puppet, and all presidents are the same WHY IS OBAMA SUCH A THREAT TO YOU? If he is powerless, then it has to be something else - wonder what that could be? You contradict yourself first trying to blame Obama for everything then saying he has no power................ again I say your name fits you well, your great at spinning fancy words of fear mongering and manipulation. However they do not add up, when you put them together.

Tim, I have to say the longer Obama is in office the less change I see,he seems to just allow the same ole same ole republican garbage get through. I had voted for a man whom I thought would have the back bone to stand up to the manipulation and fear mongering lies of the republicans. Yet he allows those thugs to continue to use the middle class and poor as hostages for their black male. He is allowing them to put us on a spit like offerings to the Gods that be ( or the rich and corporations that are so worshiped and bowed down to by the republican party). I hope the back bone grows and Obama stands tall and represents the citizens of this country rather than allow the right to finish the offering of our country to their big shot buddies. HE needs to do what one president did years ago - threaten (and follow through if needed) to veto everything that crosses his desk until the right stops their greed mongering, country killing tactics and actually work together for the good of ALL AMERICANS in a bi-partisan manner. He needs to realize that for now the right is just laughing at him and his silly "trust them to do the right thing" The right has proven over and over they do not care about us they just want an OBAMA failure, country be da**ned they will never unless forced to do what they are in office to do which is work for the people whom they were elected to represent instead of the "money holders" they worship. They are fueled by their hate for the middle class and their loyalty to big corporations. Actions like giving tax breaks to the rich by putting the cost of them on the middle class and poor who are hanging on by a thread.HEy why expect a big shot to maybe sacrifice a gallons of jet fuel when there is still a gallon of milk on a poor persons table that could be sacrificed instead? The lower income classes are suffering and expected to cut deeper while the high and mighty are getting breaks and more loop holes to make their lives even cushier. Where is their sacrifice? There is none!!!!

What does Obama have to lose? If he allows the right to continue the way they are the country will belong to the corporations and top 1% that get the loop holes and major entitlements they are setting the stage to take away the rights of any and all who could prevent their take over - citizen rights are being taken away with every bill they write.Soon we will have no more power in this country than the slaves did. His chance of re-election depend on him protecting the PEOPLE from being ground down to worms under the heal of the rabid tea party/ right. The right has the same basic goal as Hitler - to destroy those they feel are beneath them, only Hitler chose a faster way to meet his goal. God help America, her people have been forgotten by the government that was elected by them to represent them.............

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 3:52 PM

I WONDERWHY some folks are unable to take an analytical look at history before they post? Such as the number of former KKK member elected under one party vs. the other.

For those who haven't been brainwashed by Dailykos and Huffingtonpost....the true racist history of the democratic party:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 5:48 PM

Obama ROFL, really. He has done nothing wrong. Compare him to any other president and he is tame. Really Unique Lies, it seems you like to blame everything on Obama. But you never bring up Reagan, I don't remember anything being mentioned then. Let me tell you one thing, STOP watching Fox News or reading The Blaze to get your "facts".

Anything you blame Obama for has already been done by one of the last 6 Presidents but ONLY 2 to 6 times worse.

Under Reagan? Debt Ceiling raised 17 times, taxes raised 11 times in conjunction with the debt ceiling raised.

Of course, you will either, 1) use Guilty by Association methods, 2) use one of the Keywords to say how evil I am because I don't believe as you do and lastly, 3) Play the victim just like how Glenn Beck and Fox News does when all else fails.

Keywords include: Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Lamestream Media, Nazi, Hitler, Racist, Patriot, Real America, True American, Freedom Haters, the list goes on.

Really, it gets sooooo old, so I just helped you out there. You don't even have to say a thing, I already did it for you.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 6:12 PM

Which of the last 6 presidents signed legislation where the government took control of healthcare?

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:16 PM

quietmike,

So you are saying there hasn't ever been government control healthcare here in the United States?

:) Gonna love this answer.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:21 PM

Which one of the last 6?

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:23 PM

Clinton also wanted to pass universal health care when he was in office. This is nothing new. The thing that is so wonderful is, there is a large portion of people that need health care here.

So you are saying there hasn't ever been government control healthcare here in the United States?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:29 PM

King Obama isn't even trying to save America nor its countrymen.

Obama just lays down like a wounded animal and does exactly what he is told to do. That is why I have no use for him. The only thing he has fought for is what he wants which is the opposite of what he tells us he wants. He has Usurped his authority to destroy America by destroying the value of our money. He wasn't Assassinated for devaluing our money, so it was part of the grand scheme of the Rich Bankers to bring the Middle Class down to Slaves, as you put it.

Everyone knows when you spend all the money in your bank acount, it's time to stop spending or go to jail. Everyone knows that when you max out your Credit Card it's time to find a way to make money or rob peter to pay Paul. You don't just keep asking for more money to spend or spend it then ask.

This country is broke now that Obama is in power and the people are getting just as broke because Obama is breaking us with the Inflation he has caused by spending money like he has.

If you remember correctly, Obama took taxpayer dollars and gave it to big Corporations so they would invest it in job opportunities. They didn'tt hire new emplyees, the shut down factories and laid people off. They are still laying people off every month. Obama has his team who lie about the economy getting better and the unemployment rate being only 9.2%.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Republican Majority Leader, had concocted a plan to give President Obama a blank check to automatically raise the debt ceiling, subject to a two-third vote of disapproval by Congress.

But the situation has gotten even worse. A group of Senators called the "Gang of Six" is pushing a bipartisan plan calling for $1 trillion in new taxes. This group includes leading Republicans.

According to reports, Reid spent the weekend working out the wrinkles with McConnell to cut a secret deal.

It's now being called "The McConnell-Reid Plan." One thing's for sure, you don't cut a deal with the "devil" and come out an "angel"!

Here is how others describe the McConnell-Reid plan:

Tim Lokey's main man;

Rep. Allen West: "The quote-unquote McConnell-Reid plan is no plan. That's the acquiescence of the responsibilities of our Congress. It's nothing but the typical D.C. two-step, and I'm not going to be part of that."

Sen. Marco Rubio: "The way the deal is currently structured right now ... it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit, ... The problem is the debt."

Sen. Jim DeMint: "It basically says you can raise the debt limit, but we don't have to vote for it. It's like leaving the jail door open and looking the other way, then saying it's not our fault."

On Tuesday, the so-called "Gang of Six" Republican and Democrat senators unveiled a $1 trillion tax increase in a new debt plan.

No surprise, Obama called this "good news... I think we're in same playing field."

Several Republican senators are already caving-in behind this new "grand bargain."

Now, wonderwhy, if I understand you right, that is what you've been waiting for... a Tax hike! A Tax Hike of $1 Trillion. That ought to make you feel very Happy.

Now let's see just how much of that $1 Trillion is applied to Big Corporations and how much is applied to... YES, the Middle Class. Hey, that is what you wanted the "right" to do isn't it? But it hasn't pasted yet.

Look at it logically. If the Tax is applied only to the Big Corporations, who the hell do you think is going to pay the tax? We are when we are forced to use their services or products. I see things added on my bills now that don't explain themselves. It's their way of recooping tax money.

If we are taxed this $1 Trillion, and Big Corporations keep getting their loop holes, (which I think they will) there won't be a Middle Class any more. But that is what you are asking for and complaining about at the same time. You want to help the middle class by Taxing them into the lower poor class.

Any Tax increases would apply to everyone not just the Rich or Big Corporations. Taxes have to be uniform throughout the states. They can't tax just one and not everyone else.

So... they tax the middle class who don't have loop holes and Big Corporation who can use the loop holes and of course, the poor don't have to pay. Again, a new Tax would be applied to... YES, the MIDDLE CLASS! I learned that years ago.

Big Change! Yes that is what Obama is working towards. A big change to change the middle class into the poor class through taxes or Inflation, which ever comes first.

If we can get rid of Obama and things get better, then I told a Unique Lie. If it keeps getting worse, then I told the truth. Doesn't make any sense does it? It's a complicated One World Order we live in. However, it doesn't change the truth about Obama destroying America and our Constitution by Usurping power he never had to begin with.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:34 PM

Your King Obama references offend me. He is President Obama.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:40 PM

Clinton also wanted to pass universal health care when he was in office. This is nothing new. The thing that is so wonderful is, there is a large portion of people that need health care here.

So you are saying there hasn't ever been government control healthcare here in the United States?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey

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Clinton wanted to but didn't, thankfully a Republican controlled congress stopped him.

There has never been a complete takeover of the healthcare industry where every American, except for Obama's buddies who got waivers (if Obamacare is so great why would anyone want a waiver?), was forced under penalty of law to buy health insurance. Sure we have had other government failures such as Medicare/Medicaid, but never has government controlled all health insurance before.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:43 PM

You are completely distorting the fact, You asked if there was. There is. YOu asked if any of the 6 presidents did, There was. So you now try to distort the facts with "failures"? How are these failures when people are happy with it?

We had a surplus of money before Bush, We had social security and medicare then as well. Where do you think the problems started?

Look, man, you are smart, but I don't think you are right about this, This vitriol (not you), the name calling from both sides has got to stop. Not sure about you, but I am getting tired of it. It is people like the one above you with his Glenn Beck wanna-be conspiracy theories that is really hurting the debates and compromises.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:53 PM

You said and I quote:

"Anything you blame Obama for has already been done by one of the last 6 Presidents but ONLY 2 to 6 times worse."

Being done and wanting to be done are two separate things. lots of ultra-liberal leaders have wanted to expand control of government far and away from what the constitution allows.

If people are happy with Medicaid, a healthcare program for the poor, why was Obamacare "necessary"?

There was never a surplus under Clinton, NEVER.

Every yearly budget had a deficit and every year the National debt increased. Here are the numbers.

FiscalYear Ending National Debt Deficit

FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion

FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion

FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion

FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion

FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion

FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion

FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion

The biggest deficit under Bush was in 2008 and it was 400 billion dollars. This year our deficit is 1.6 TRILLION dollars. If you'll check the economy didn't tank until after Bush's midterm elections, when democrats took control of congress.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 8:08 PM

Evil Monkey,

When and if BARRACK HUSAN OBAMA acts like the President of The United States of America without violating the United States Constitution and doing things without the consent of Congress, I'll refer to him as President. But until then he is acting in the capacity of a make believe king which there is no title of nobility in this country allowed by the U.S. Const..

Bill Clinton was a rouge President also with no morals. He was a run away President who made up rules as he played his game. I actually expected him to use the War Powers Act to remain President for another term by reason of the State of Emergency Clause.

I saw him on TV the other night boasting about Obama should use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling without the consent of congress. I know of no such power arrived from the 14th Amendment. I have explained the 14th Amendment so many times that I see no reason to go into it again.

Tell me, Evil Monkey, who is going to pay for a Healthcare plan when Obama has cleaned us out of our money.

We may be entitled to Medicare/Medicaid but we are not forced to pay for it in our old age.

I did some research when I was working as to who had to buy Workman's Compensation. The law said anyone who hired a minimum of 3 persons had to get workman's comp. ins. but if you didn't have 3 employees and didn't have workman's comp ins., you couldn't do the jobs.

King Obama couldn't stay on a budget, so he reached into our budgets and took from us. Now we can't live on our budget. Where are you going to get your healthcare payment when you are unemployed and can't get unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, Soc. Sec. nor snap or wic?

My last word is when has the Government ever properly and intelligently controlled anything.

The Federal Government only has Jurisdiction over Washington, DC, and a sect few. Congress merely passes legislation that says whatever they say goes. That applies mainly to 14th Amendment Citizens and a few others, blah, blah, blah.

Obama even had to create a "Gang of Six" to figure out how to do the Obama Healthcare plan. He now uses the Gang for other TAX opinions like the $1 Trillion Tax he and the Republicans are thinking about.

This Gang is composed of 3 Republican Senators and 3 Democratic Senators.

In July 2011, the Gang of Six proposed a solution to the US debt ceiling crisis. The compromise would cut the deficit by USD $3.7 trillion over ten years and was praised by President Obama.

If 6 Republican and Democratic Senators can settle the debt crisis, what are the 100 Senators and 435 Representatives doing?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 8:55 PM

You can't pass the same law twice. Right? You stated something that was impossible to answer. For example, Clinton can't sign the same law that Obama, correct?

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-bud...

So to end this discussion for once, Bush was perfect because he was republican, and Obama and Clinton is evil because they are democrats. Good day, you win.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 9:05 PM

UL,

Your garbage is just that, garbage. None of it makes since and I know how you try to slant things. If you can't really put a thought together logically, just don't try.

You are a fear-monger trying to gain attention; I like to call it GlennBeckalypse. It's the next thing that is gonna Getcha! Doesn't work, it wears people out and it truly is losing a focus. How many networks have fired him now?

When you try to inundate people with so much of this babble, it tads to wither, lose its luster. Basically it doesn't work because it isn't really that intelligent.

Regarding the 14th amendment; So, you are mad at something that hasn't even happened but was brought up by a past president? One word. Therapy.

Here is the problem, Anything that President Obama does, upset you. Even when it is in your best interest, you will always hate him. It shows in your comments, it shows in your responses. You cannot prove to me otherwise.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 9:24 PM

since - sense. Been a long day.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 9:24 PM

I only asked you to back up a claim you made. If it was impossible to answer, perhaps you shouldn't have made the claim.

No need to leave the discussion. Just be willing to back up your assertions.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 9:30 PM

Actually, I did back it up, you just don't accept it.

But if you look at it in your wording, There is already government run healthcare. 4 of them here in the United States. You confirmed that. Seems to work ok too. No complaints from anyone I know using it. My grandparents are pleased, and they are Republicans!

A few more Presidents that were interested in Universal Health Care.

Theodore Roosevelt

Franklin D. Roosevelt

John F. Kennedy

Lyndon B. Johnson

Harry Truman

And another little ditty about President George W Bush with his additional to Medicare (not sure what a gap is) :

Prescription drug coverage was added to Medicare in 2003, pushed by President George W. Bush, who claimed it as one of his major achievements in winning re-election. It did not come easily. The administration understated cost estimates by half, and Republican leaders muscled it through the House by one vote. To hold down the cost, they wrote a gap into the coverage.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM

I'll ask one more time. If everyone was happy with medicare/medicaid, why was obamacare "necessary"?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 5:21 AM

Mike because there are millions of people who can not get regular insurance, who have conditions that insurance companies use against them to either raise rates so high they are not affordable, or they are completely refused coverage. You have I'm sure heard of "pre-existing" conditions. Obama care is intended to help those stuck in the middle of being able to afford insurance and not illegible for Medicaid or Medicare. If you do not understand that simple point I do not understand how you could possible make an informed opinion on the issue. Those are just simple basic facts that have been the focus all along.

You also said:

""The biggest deficit under Bush was in 2008 and it was 400 billion dollars. This year our deficit is 1.6 TRILLION dollars. If you'll check the economy didn't tank until after Bush's midterm elections, when democrats took control of congress.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 8:08 PM

Do you remember that Bush DID NOT use any of the expenses related to his war in the accounting of HIS budget? He conveniently dropped anything like that from his figures hiding them from the public. It was his way of manipulating the fact to his favor .

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Inv...

11-point-5-trillion.aspx

"""four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller." In 2005, the Washington Post editorial board called Bush's budget proposal a "farce" for using accounting tricks. Obama's changes include accounting for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (Bush relied on "emergency supplemental" war spending), assuming the Alternative Minimum Tax will be indexed for inflation, accounting for the full costs of Medicare reimbursements, and anticipating inevitable expenditures for natural disaster relief. The result of Obama's openness is a budget that is $2.7 trillion "deeper in the red over the next decade than it would otherwise appear." As The Wonk Room explained, "that debt was always there. It was just being hidden."""

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-progress-report/the-bush-deficit_b_169475.html)

Unique said:

"Now, wonderwhy, if I understand you right, that is what you've been waiting for... a Tax hike! A Tax Hike of $1 Trillion. That ought to make you feel very Happy."

No I guess you do not understand ---- I want the taxes to go back to the correct ones that were already in place when Bush gave out the TEMPORARY TAX BREAK , the BREAK gave them temporary relief for a period of time, now it is time for them to go back to the amount they should have been paying, they need to pay their normal rate like we all have had to do all along - they were GIVEN TEMPORARY relief ( unlike the rest of us) now it's time to pay their share like we have all had to do all along. When you take an unpaid break at work, you give the employer a break from paying your wages - now when that break is over should you keep the same "break" pay rate permanent or go back to the wages you had before the break????? When you return to work and get your normal rate of pay it is not a pay hike is it? No it never changed it was just temporarily changed during the break with the knowledge that when the break was over you would go back to the normal rate. Same with the tax breaks. SO the TRUTH of the matter is they ARE NOT GETTING A TAX HIKE they are just returning to the one they should have paid all along had Bush not decided that the middle class should be saddled with the expense of the tax vacation he gave them. People complain about entitlements for those who really NEED the help yet have no problem with showering the wealthy with all of their entitlements. Would you approve of a tax break of the same percentage for the middle class as you do for the rich? Keep in mind 30 cents on the dollar to a person who has just enough to scrape by vrs 30 cents on the dollar for a person who has millions has complexly different results. One will take food off the table, the other a bit off fuel out of their fancy jets........ yet they have no problem taking the food and fight to the death over jet fuel.......... Oh yea let the bottom income levels pick up the slack for the jet owners. GREED is a horrible addiction.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 8:28 AM

quietmike,

Guess you really don't get it, how many middle class people do you know that can afford healthcare? Where have you been?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 9:15 AM

That's the point if one unconstitutional healthcare plan for the poor didn't work why will another one?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 10:19 AM

wonderwhy,

There is no such thing as go back to where we left off in this world we live in. Things just keep on marching forward and costing more.

Here is the answer you are looking for.

The Income Tax is an Indirect Tax. That means it must be uniform to be constitutionally applied to everyone. That means that every living soul must pay the exact same percentage of taxes on their Income.

The State Sales Tax is a good example.

Everyone in the State is suppose to pay the exact same .0975% State Sales Tax.

Of course that doesn't happen because some counties charge more or less. However, basically, everyone must pay the exact same percentage for their purchase.

Now if Everyone paid a 30% Tax on the amount or their Income, that would be constitutional and fair.

Not only would the poor pay 30%, but the Middle Class and the Rich would have to pay 30% of their personal Income each year.

This is how the Income Tax is suppose to operate according to the constitution.

You would pay just 30% of your total earnings to the IRS and

I would pay 30% of any Profit or Gain I earned in a trade or business within the United States to the IRS and

the Rich would pay 30% of their Income, dividends, earnings and interest.

You are viewing it as 30 cents on the $1 or 30%.

In other words $30 on every hundred dollars. The Rich would pay more $$ than the poor, but not more money percentage wise. It would be $30 on every $100, $300 on $1,000, $30,000 on every $100,000 they earned.

All Businesses and Big Corporations would pay all Taxes, Soc. Sec., medicare/medicaid withheld from employee's paycheck, PLUS they would have to pay 33% of all Profit and Gain generated from their total transactions which is referred to as Income. Then they would have to pay a Direct Tax on the ownership of all buildings, vehicles, Tools and Machinery less depreciation.

The Direct tax is a tax on ownership and that makes it unconstitutional to be applied, however, because the Big Corporations can not engage in business without the consent of the government by purchasing a license, they are now under the control of the Licensing Authority, or the State!

The Licensing idea came during FD Roosevelt's Administration.

Under the trading with the enemy Act, NO ONE could do business with the enemy without a License to do business. He created the need for a license to do every thing in this country if you were the enemy or a U.S. Citizen.

Who was this enemy? Anyone we were fighting against and the Citizens of the United States who are under its exclusive jurisdiction. [Our Federal Government's jurisdiction]

These United States Citizens are the same Citizens described in the 14th Amendment [the slaves and all citizens of the U.S. Territories and immigrants without US citizenships]. They are under the exclusive jurisdiction of Congress, that is why Bill Clinton said he would use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling. The enemy couldn't say anything about what the President did and could never question the spending of Congress.

So now we see that the government now controls Big Businesses and Corporations by Licenses and can tax them anyway they want to because they are now under the exclusive jurisdiction of Our Central Government. This now makes it constitutional because they don't have inalienable rights, they have Civil Rights protected by our Constitution and are placed under the exclusive jurisdiction of our central government by purchasing a License to do business in the United States.

Yeah But, NAFTA, GAFF and the World Trade Organization have taking control away from the United States and made it International Law. They make the laws governing Corporations Worldwide.

That is why I guess all the States and their Governors kiss up to big businesses and offer them lower taxes if they will locate in their State or counties. Therefore their taxes are next to none or ARE none and even get Bonuses if they stay.

So what are we gonna do? They have to make the middle class carry the weight.

So you see, The Federal Income Tax is not constitutional the way it is being applied. The poor pay nothing, the rich pay little and big corporations get bonuses, leaving the middle class to pay EVERYTHING!

If you want a break in this country, you will have to move up, because the economy is moving you into the lower poor class with the rest of us.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 10:50 AM

Evil Monkey,

Name one thing Obama has done that is in my best interest?

President Jimmy Carter was a better President than Barack Obama and he wasn't even a Muslim.

Bill Clinton was a draft dodger who couldn't even serve for his country, but the American people voted him in office.

George Bush was beaten by Al Gore until he cried like a baby because his brother told him he had won all the FL votes.

Am I the only one who saw this fraud? The Electoral votes couldn't even be counted correctly by the FL House. so they tried to make it look like Floridians didn't know how to vote. Floridians consist of people from all over the country. Most of us Floridians have moved away and took the flag when we left.

Bush was only concerned with keeping the country at war with Hussein in Iraq so he could use the War Powers Act when he needed to. It also gave the World Bankers the extra money they make during a war. That is the main reason wars continue on for so long when there really isn't any war going on in the country. As a super power we could end any war anytime.

His son followed in his dads footsteps with a follow up and then lead on with 911. This country is still at war with terrorists and is now in several states of emergencies making it convenient when the War Powers Act is needed to be brought up to answer for a presidents action.

The first thing a president does when he is elected or re-elected is to extend the state of emergency in America.

However, none of them have destroyed our economy like Obama has and just lied about it so they could continue making it worse.

None of the past Presidents spent money like Obama has in his first term and it isn't up yet and he is working on another $2.4 Trillion to finish out his first term, which I believe congress is going to give him.

That only means that the 112th Congress is just as bad as Obama is if they give it to him.

So, what is this thing Obama has done that is in my best interest? Is it the $500 billion he took out of Medicare to start up his Obamacare with? Is it the lies about Soc Sec. not having any money to pay the elderly?

Was it the Money he threw away on bailouts to the big corporations that provided all those new jobs for all the invisible people now working somewhere unknown?

Was it the Stimulus money that went to Districts that don't even exist?

Maybe it was the promise to help Brazil drill for oil and buy it from them when they pumped it out while he kept our oil drillers out of work?

Or was it when all the teachers not only didn't get the raise he spoke of in his speech to rebuild America into the Superpower Nation again, but got laid off or fired?

Maybe it was the follow up he did on helping American students learn and create scientists in our colleges to make America a super power Nation again, then lowered the College Student Grants instead?

I just don't seem to be able to find something Obama has done in my best interest. He has lost jobs for millions of people by confusing business owners. They don't know what is coming next. That doesn't seem to be in my best interest.

He has shelled out guaranteed Loans just to call them in and bankrupt the people who thought they were being helped. Nope, not in MY Best Interest.

Somehow he has managed to decrease the value of Homes where he took all the collateral away from the homeowners. Doesn't seem to be in My Best Interest.

Obama even managed to decrease the value of our dollar so it take a lot more money to pay the same bills. That can't be in my best interest.

Can you give me a little hint Evil Monkey? I seem to be at a loss here finding something he did in MY BEST INTEREST. My head wasn't in the sand when he did all these things tat he promised just the opposite.

He promised to pay the deficit down in the first half of his term. He raised it more than both the Bushed did in their terms.

The only cutting Obama has ever talked about seriously doing is with welfare programs. Take from the poor and give to the rich. Now I don't think that is in my best interest.

He has promised to build Roads and Bridges and super speed rail transportation systems, but always runs out of money before he can get started.

Offering FL Governor $8 billion to start a high speed rail system then sticking the people with paying it off isn't in my best interest.

I just can't find nothing he has done in my best interests.

Starting a war in Libya but ignoring all the other counties and their out of control leaders isn't in my best interest.

Damn! What is my Best Interest? How is this working for you Evil Monkey? You must not have the same interests as I do in this country and how it is run.

You must be getting tired now so I will stop.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 12:15 PM

Mr. Melson it seems your blog has gotten hijacked by the usual banter.

A presidential candidate? You know, I have never voted for any President that I felt good about. My vote it seems has been in response to the political hacks that you mention. It seems my vote is relegated to voting for the lesser of the two evils.

I thought Reagan was going to get us into a war with Russia, Sr. Bush was too much of an oil tycoon, and I knew Bill Clinton was either a liar or easliy swayed by peers as soon as he said "I tried it but I didn't inhale", and Bush Jr. to me was just a chip off the old block, with Obama it was obvious he was anti-american, anti-jew, and racist simply based on his past books and 20 yrs of Jeremiah Wright.

He has taken our debt from 9 Trillion to 14 Trillion in three short yrs. Of course, he claims he inherited the mess, and he did, but he is the rightful heir since he voted FOR, or Present, on all the things he claims Bush did that got us into this mess while he was Senator.

Again, I expect the next election will once again be the choice between the lesser of two evils. That's right TWO, oh but there was another candidate that I did like years ago, Ross Perot. I don't think he ever wanted to be President and when he started gaining significant ground he dropped out of the race.

The only candidate I support at this time is HERMAN CAIN. He is not perfect I'm sure, who is? I think he brings experience, truth, common sense, fiscal responsibility, and a genuine love for God and this Country.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 8:04 PM

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our governments's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deseve better. I therefore intend to opose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

The foregoing quote is verbatim from the Congressional Record of March 16, 2006. Note alluding to leadership three times.

Bo, sorry to abet those who have hi-jacked your blog..........By the way, this quote was espoused on the floor of the Senate by one, Senator Barack Hussein Obama II.

-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 9:45 PM

The American dream...Start your own business. Work endless days and live sleepless nights giving all you've got to make it successful. Then watch the government take what you worked and sweated for in order to redistribute it to folks that haven't earned one damn dime of it. Don't you just love liberalism?

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 12:57 AM

Sorry, but Obama hasn't redistributed any wealth to the American People that I know. Maybe to the Rich, but not to the Middle Class or the poor. I don't look at that as distributing the wealth. maybe that is why he calls it re-distributing the wealth. That is stealing it from the poor then giving to the rich. Hell, Obama can't even get the story of Robin Hood correct!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 10:32 AM

I see where Trump may run in spite of all that has happened. He wants to see what the Republication can do first. If they can't do any good, Trump said he would run for President.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 10:34 AM

Good to hear from you again Carl. Missed your interpretations.

These comments would be funny if the subject weren't so important. Some of these comments are so twisted, you can not understand how the authors arrived at their conclusions.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 5:38 PM

Hillery Clinton, has my nomination and vote. She should have had it last time.!!! Not that anyone can do anything as long as we have the party of NO blocking everything, but I know she would have been better prepared to deal with the low life back stabbing tactics they use - she lived with it for 8 years.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 6:06 PM

Her lying about dodging sniper fire cost her the chance last time.

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 8:13 PM

I agree wonderwhy Hillary was ny choice last election also and would have it again if she would run. The way I figured we could have gotten Hillary plus Bill as a bonus :)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 10:26 PM

Mike, compared to the lies the right is feeding us these days hers was nothing. I am not trying to excuse what she said by any means, but she is a strong person who would not have allowed all the games being played in Wasington right now. There was a comment made this morning that summed up the position of the republicans game right now to a tee a woman , did not catch her name said:

If Obama had the cure for cancer the republican would walk away from it.

I'm sure it is a bit dramatic true, but it does hit pretty darn close to their intent to say NO to any and everything he proposes.

Hillery, is a very smart woman and she would not play the games, and she would not be manipulated the Obama has allowed himself to be. If he keeps going the way he is he would be able to get the republican nomination before too long. She would stand up to them and NEVER allow us to be held hostage for their black male games the way he has. It's is true Obama did not have the experience needed for this position, he was nieve enough to expect fair play and honorable negotiations on a bi-partisan level from the republicans - it's time for him to wake up and see the real world - they will never be that way. The Clinton years were proof of that and they have just perfected their war against the citizens of this country.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 9:40 AM

Just because the republicans refuse to continue obamas reckless spending for unconstitutional programs (what they were elected to do) they are the party of no? What part of the budget negotiations are not honorable on the part of republicans?

It's funny you bring up the republicans during the clinton years. You might want to check and see when the economy improved the most during his tenure. Oddly enough it was just after the repubs took over. The repubs also pushed through long needed welfare reform after clinton threw his hissy fit and closed national parks in protest.

Hillary has been sec. state for some time now, a position where she could showcase her skill in a position very comparable to the presidency, and what has she accomplished? NADA!

IMO she rode bill's coattails and put up with numerous affairs and public humiliation just glom onto his fame and power. Anyone that power hungry is exactly the wrong person to head this country.

Obama had a super majority for over two years and could pass any legislation he wanted. Hundreds of billions spent, and what do we have to show for it? Unemployment is basically unchanged. Economy is stagnant. Obama and the democrats didn't even submit a budget their last two years?!?! And the repubs are holding everything up?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 11:05 AM

Hillary Clinton is more interested in becoming the head of the World Bank. She may leave that job in 2016 and run for presidency at the last minute, giving her even more references to get elected as President.

She is working with helping women become leaders in their countries, so I'm not sure if the Presidency or being head of the World Bank would be a conflict of interest. She may have to make some big changes in her present life.

Also something to think about is her husband Bill Clinton is a member of the Trilateral Commission which isn't a good thing for this country and our Sovereignty.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 1:12 PM

One thing everyone needs to keep in mind is... if Obama gets his debt ceiling raised, that will decrease the value of your dollar by that amount. When the debt ceiling goes up... so does the cost of everything, like gasoline, utilities, food, EVERYTHING!

The Tea Party has done a great job riding Congress on not raising the debt ceiling and stop spending.

Another thing you should keep in mind is that if Obama raises taxes, it will come out of YOUR Pockets, not out of the rich and famous. They still have the loopholes that disqualifies them from paying taxes. The TAX will just be passed on to YOU in their already raised to a high price product or service.

You MUST Vote for someone who will stop spending and cut some of the nonsense programs. There are several programs out there that the government could drop.

By voting for a President who is going to keep spending, the cost of everything is going to continue to climb into a higher inflation than what we are in now. AND the cost of everything will keep getting higher, even the debt will require more dollar to meet the increasing interest rate.

King Obama has started America on a non stop unemployment roller coaster to Hell with little or no benefits along the way.

Anyone who can not see that deserves what he/she gets stuck with or without.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 1:32 PM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-cou...

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 1:06 AM

Very Inta Rrresting Article!

However, I still stick to my prediction I made last year that Barack Hussein Obama II will remain the President after the election in 2012. King Barack Hussein Obama II hasn't destroyed us and our Country COMPLETELY just yet.

As much as I would like to see Obama lose, preferably impeached, I know he will be re-elected to finish his Judas Iscariot betrayal of America.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 1:43 PM

This is a very well written account of the what has happened in the last few years !!!! The writer did a great job of summing it all up, :

On January 20, 2009, Bush 43 left Washington­, DC and left behind--in the wake of his disastrous job killing tax cuts--a broken economy teetering on the brink of total collapse. Just 8 years earlier, Bush had inherited from Clinton a healthy, robust, and debt-free economy boasting a surplus of $756 billion. As Obama was being sworn-in, the Republican created deficit--in­spired by a redux of Reagan's failed "trickle-d­own" policies--t­opped $11.6 trillion. When Bush entered office, 8% of the population was living in poverty; by 2008, that number had swelled to 17%. Under Bush 43, the number of homeless Americans increased 23%, income growth for the middleclas­s was negative for the first time since tracking began in 1967, unemployme­nt grew from 4.1% to 8.6%, the debt ceiling was raised 7 times, foreclosur­es increased 67%, and 11 million Americans received pink-slips­, yet Republican­s continue to claim that tax cuts for the wealthy grew the economy and created jobs, which did not happen from 2000 to 2008. Even in the face of blatant Republican sabotage (remember, McConnell wants to "destroy Obama"), thus far, Obama has still managed to raise the GDP and either create or save 4.3 million jobs, which is more jobs than Bush created in 8 years. In an effort to save the economy and shorten the recession, Obama grew the deficit by $3.3 trillion, yet Republican­s like Orin Hatch continue to wrongly attribute the $11.4 trillion Bush deficit to Obama. From 1992 to 2000, Democrats erased the Reagan deficit (Under Reagan, Republican­s raised the debt ceiling 17 times) and balanced the federal budget, but upon gaining the presidency and taking control of both Houses in 2000, Republican­s quickly abandoned prudent "pay-as-yo­u-go" economic policies implemente­d by Democrats, squandered the Clinton surplus, generated record amounts of unfunded earmark spending, and borrowed money hand-over-­fist from China in order to give revenue depleting tax cuts to millionair­es, yet Republican­s continue to lie and distort the truth in an effort to "destroy" Obama and dump blame on the Democrats for the economic mess Republican­s orchestrat­ed under Bush 43.

History as it happened not as the republicans want to spin it to be.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 2:04 PM

You really need to look beyond huffingtonpost for your information.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 3:47 PM

WEll Mike what above is not true?

DID we have new jobs created from the tax breaks? Where are they?

DId Bush start out with a good economy? Did Obama start with one in the red?

What about unemployed numbers were they or were they not way up when Bush left from when he started?

Did the tax breaks cast America over a trillion dollars while the pressure and conditions for the middle class go into a recession?

Did the tax cuts grow the economy? If so where is all the growth hiding?

True it LOOKED like Bush had a lower debit - but when you compare apples to apples the story sure is different. Bush separated and hid a lot of his spending ( his war for example) ..

Did the republicans live by the pay -as - you go they are screaming about NOW?

I don't need Huffington Post, this is history as it happened - not some fairy tail spun by Fox....

SO tell me what above is not true - ?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 5:48 PM

First, when Clinton left office we were already seeing the signs of a coming recession. The "dot-com" bubble had burst and the Nasdaq index peaked on March 10, 2000 and started falling.

The "clinton surplus" is a result of raiding social security and cutting two divisions worth of military personnel(how much has that cost us now?).

Your beloved Clinton signed NAFTA into law on Dec. 8 1993. If your looking for where all the jobs went,look south of the border.

Clinton also gave China most favored nation status in our trade agreements. Guess who is the biggest beneficiary of our trade deficit? Why it's the same folks who rented out the Lincoln bedroom of the white house during clinton's term.

I have said this numerous times but you don't seem to want to admit the obvious:

Congress writes the budgets-NOT the president.

Which party controlled congress when Clinton left office?

Which party controlled congress when Bush left?

Where is the budget for the last 800 days, that goes back to the democrat super majority?

Notice a shocking coincidence?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 8:16 PM

Mike you are a hoot LOL>>>>>Read and learn.......

In three separate ceremonies in the three capitals on Dec. 17, 1992, President Bush, Mexican President Salinas, and Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney signed the historic North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The framework agreement proposed to eliminate restrictions on the flow of goods, services, and investment in North America. The House of Representatives approved NAFTA, by a vote of 234 to 200 on November 17, 1993, and the Senate voted 60 to 38 for approval on November 20. It was signed into law by President Clinton on December 8, 1993, and took effect on January 1, 1994.

Read more: North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) -- Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104566.h...

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:29 PM

Isn't that exactly what I said...Clinton signed Nafta into law on Dec. 8 1993?

You just going to overlook the rest?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:35 PM

Mike here is Bush's own words - proided by his party about trade with China: notice towards the bottom where he states

""""I differ with the president and vice president on many issues regarding China and trade. They place their confidence in the Chinese regime as a ''strategic partner'' of the United States. I know they are a competitor. They have been inconsistent on Taiwan; I will be clear. They failed to obtain ''fast track'' trade negotiating authority. I will fight for it. They mishandled the global trade negotiations right here in Seattle. I will make expanding trade a consistent priority of my administration.""""

here read the whole article -----

In Bush's Words: 'Join Together in Making China a Normal Trading Partner'

Published: May 18, 2000

Following are excerpts from prepared remarks by Governor George W. Bush of Texas today before Boeing workers, as provided by the Bush campaign.

From the start of this campaign, I have defined some sharp disagreements with the Clinton-Gore administration. But today I want to address an important area of agreement. A pressing question now confronts the Congress, and it will not wait until the next president takes office.

The issue is whether to extend normal trade relations to China on a permanent basis. This vote is one step in the process of drawing China into the world trading system. China is on the verge of joining the 136 members of the World Trade Organization. Congress must now decide whether the U.S. will gain the benefits of China's more open economy.

The stakes are high, on all sides. For businesses, workers and farmers across our country, it will mean much lower trade barriers and enormous opportunities for U.S. exports. For the people of East Asia, it will affect their relations with the region's major power. For the people of China, it holds out the hope of more open contact with the world of freedom. In short, this will be among the most serious decisions our government will make this year.

Last year, when I laid out my vision of a distinctly American internationalism, I said that we must see China clearly, not through the filters of posturing and partisanship. And today I am acting on that principle. I am here to urge all members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, to join together in making China a normal trading partner of the United States.

I differ with the president and vice president on many issues regarding China and trade. They place their confidence in the Chinese regime as a ''strategic partner'' of the United States. I know they are a competitor. They have been inconsistent on Taiwan; I will be clear. They failed to obtain ''fast track'' trade negotiating authority. I will fight for it. They mishandled the global trade negotiations right here in Seattle. I will make expanding trade a consistent priority of my administration.

Today, however, all of us who believe in a more open China -- in advancing the rule of law and trade -- must work together. This is not a Republican or Democratic concern. It is an American concern. This trade agreement is the work of 13 years and three administrations. We cannot let that work be undone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/18/world/...

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:47 PM

Mike who WROTE NAFTA???????????? GO back and read the facts on that----

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:48 PM

Doesn't matter who wrote it. It can't operate until it's signed into law.

Once again you've ignored several other points.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 10:18 PM

During the Clinton administration, congress also passed a law that would have ended the barbaric practice of partial birth abortion. Clinton the coward refused to sign in into law.

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 11:45 PM

wonderwhy,

You can't win this (cause you must be a muslim), they will always blame democrats, if the law was signed by a republican, it was because a democrat Communists supported it, if a democrat signed a law, the republicans were forced by the Socialist Marxists. The Republican Patriots have the best interests of the American people because the majority of the Fox News Polls said so. You know they tell the other side of the story, because that's fair and balanced reporting (no idea how telling the other side is considered unbiased).

Good luck, I wouldn't waste my time anymore. It is sad because it is like cutting the nose off to spite the face supporting any of the party of No.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 10:39 AM

Evil monkey,

You don't think Obama is a socialist I take it?

If he was a socialist which of his policies would be different?

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 10:49 AM

I feel overwhelmed by all this.

A thorough and eclectic examination of the players and the issues remains a good place to start but I wish I had a solution for the "Puppet Masters" issue other than having folks leave their backs exposed and having our healthcare packages cover removing alien parasites from our brains.

I guess someone who gets a little support and a little lambasting from everybody would be a fairly safe bet.

I'd really like to see someone smart enough to listen to everyone and confident enough to stand up to anyone.

This isn't about the success of a specific party or given agenda.

The only appropriate victory is one that insures the well-being of those who must live with the consequences of our choices.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 11:05 AM

The only appropriate victory is one that insures the well-being of those who must live with the consequences of our choices.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 11:05 AM

Sadly we have too many people out there gun-hoe on helping the republicans remove all our rights as citizens to benifit the top 2% and corporations, who will not have to live with the consequences of their actions. Yet these folk do not comprehend that they too will be pulling the knives out of their backs when even they are on skid row because they too have had all they worked their lives for stolen from them by the idols to support the fancy jets and yachts of the rich they are being forced to support. They do not see what is right before their faces, that the republicans are attempting to change even the constitution itself to prevent us from being able to protect ourselves from the policies to feed the greed of the corporations.

Evil Monkey, your completely right about Mike and those on here, but gosh when I am bored it's kinda fun to put FACTS before his face, I know he does not comprehend FACTS but it does kill time. One day soon the reality of what is going on will come and bite him the bottom like it has so many, and like many before him he will have to eat crow as he cashes his unemployment check , loses his home, or must file for assistance or watch his family go hungry and homeless. He seems to think he is too good to be effected by what has happened to so many, like many he just does not get it, that even he could have the bottom pulled out from under him making him into one of the many people he degrades and slams for not being as great as considers himself ( this goes not only for him but those who blindly follow the fear mongering gibberish Fox news drools out each day.) Even though there are some who abuse the system most are just hard working people who have become the victims of the economy, they work hard at low paying, no benifit jobs. These are people who are huddling under the umbrellas trying to stay safe and dry from all the "trickle down" we were told was coming. Too bad we were told and trusted it would be a trickle down of growth for the middle class from the rich that were given all the breaks and benefits payed it forward creating jobs(haha jokes on us) instead all they "paid forward" to trickle down to us was wet and yellow..

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 12:01 PM

Woderwhy,

You make me believe Lenin was right....at least about one thing.

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 1:00 PM

Here is what your King Obama is up to now!

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he feared a "surprise" move after the Quartet of the United Nations, EU, USA, and Russia met last Monday in DC, to endorse President Obama's plan to enforce 1967 borders, and divide Jerusalem and seize Israeli land to form an independent Palestine, on either July 26th or in Sept. at the U.N.

President Obama wrote in his book "I will stand with [Muslims] if the political winds shift in an ugly direction," so I picture Obama siding with Palestinian President Abbas above, who said last week, "President Obama says he wants to see an independent Palestinian state by September."

Obama just may get the 7 year peace treaty signed by FORCE, before he leaves office, NOT!

Now, what I want to know is who is going to tag that information as originating from the Left or Right? And does that make King Obama Right or Left or just plain in the Middle of something he has no business dealing with?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 4:30 PM

Folks are acting like Obama is being controled by others or is stupid. Neither is correct, he is an extremely smart man. He is doing exactly what he set out to do. Destroy America, and make this country a Muslim Colony. You can disagree or not, but more every day this is coming true.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 8:23 PM

Mr. Melson this is truly the same old Left Right banter complete with statistics to support opposing views.

It seems to me that we should be asking ourselves as Americans what we want our government to do. Do we want them to supply our every need? Do you want them to stay out of your life? Do you want something in between? Where do we draw the line between getting what we want and forcing our will on others at the expense of freedom?

The politians, both left and right must be advancing the same agenda, otherwise we wouldn't have this looming debt.and constant erroding of or rights and liberties. The people have given both parties ample opportunities to correct and/or reverse this trend over the last 50 yrs or so. None of theme have! They may say they have and submit data such as those above that says they have, but yet the debt continues to grow and bureaucrats reach deeper and deepere into our personal lives. These things are bi-partisan. Neither party will own it, but they both do!

As to the party of NO, that doesn't belong to either party either. The GOP house passed a bill last week to Cut/Cap/Balance. It was the Dem. controlled Senate that said NO. There are plenty of NO's to go around.

Again, the question is, "What do you want the government to do?" You are the boss! If you like what you have been getting, then there really is no need for change.The problem with politics is it full of politicians. The problem with government is that it is full of political hacks, of which, Obama is one. HERMAN CAIN said, "How is that working out for you?" A good common sense question with an obvious answer.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 9:44 PM

The only thing we need to be voting on is Voting to Impeach Barack Obama! Everything else will take care of itself with king obama dethroned.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 9:59 AM

wonderwhy,

Actually, they can not get unemployment checks or welfare or food stamps, that's Socialism!

Mike, No I don't think he is a socialist. Only the people that watch Fox News believe that. Not one media outlet on the planet that isn't own by News Intl says that. NONE. That Corporation is the sleaziest piece of garbage I have ever witnessed.

Why would people vote against the best interests of Middle Class Americans (the ones paying the bills). These people feel getting rid of Medicare and Social Security over Military and Tax Vacations for Corporations is a good idea...

Liveforlight,

Herman Cain also has said a few things as well, that were unconstitutional. If you like your freedom of religion, then Herman Cain shouldn't have a vote. Plus his bills won't be more than 3 pages long. Well We know Unique Lies won't be writing them. wOOt!

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 10:32 AM

Amen to that Evil Monkey.

All we have to do is write to our Republican Representatives and tell them to tax the rich and close the tax loop holes for the rich and Big Corporations or we won't vote for them.

It sounds so simple, but just how many of you will actually send an email?

Hey, you know me and I don't think the Senate and Rep. Houses want emails from me, but they get them every week. Even Obama got one from me this past week.

Email Congressman Diane Black:

https://black.house.gov/contact-me/email...

Email Senator Corker:

http://corker.senate.gov/public/index.cf...

Email Senator Lamar Alexander

http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index...

They will only kiss your butt with an email, but we have the last word at election time. Have to remind them of that from time to time.

Make them kiss your Butt for a change. Send them an email. Just talk to them in your own words or ask them what they are doing for you. They are just Public Servants, not gods. Make them serve you or vote them out and tell them that is what you will do.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 11:23 AM

Here is an article I just came upon. It is one person's answer to WHO gets to Vote. Only Patriotic Taxpayers would be able to vote!

I believe that would eliminate Congress, the President of the U.S. and Big Corporations along with the Rich and all other people who don't pay taxes.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/262/require...

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 1:50 PM

Another reason NOT to consider Hillary Clinton for President is:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new "Small Arms Treaty."

With a strict United Nation Gun Control Legislation, the enemy, suppressors, crooks, burglars and drug dealers will always have guns. If you lose your right to bear arms, who is going to protect you and your family?

http://www.nagr.org/UN_lp_survey2.aspx?p...

Take the time to fill in your name and email address and help stop Obama's Scheme with the United Nations in taking away our right to bear arms. If the enemy knows we have guns, they will think twice about what they do.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 2:14 PM

I just wonder who the unknown Democratic candidate will be in 2012?

Their has to be a Mystery Democratic Candidate in there somewhere to Shock and Awe the Nation. The Democrats in office this term are working as Republicans with no leadership, including the king. The Democrats are hiding behind Obama's skirt and Obama ain't leading them anywhere except into destruction of our Free Nation so it will be just like all the other third world countries that have no Freedom and will be controlled by the United Nations.

The United Nations is just about as useless as King Obama, so we don't have anything to look forward to if our elected officals don't wake up.

The Democrats have been behind Obama for so long that they can't stand up for what is suppose to be American Freedom.

If a Republican gets elected, the Obamacrats will have to go also and new democrats with back bones elected.

Even Obama's "Gang of 6" will need to find new jobs. They didn't do a very good job in Obama's Administration so far and now thier minds are clouded with Obamanation ideas. They aren't fit to be Senators anymore. I also heard a reporter referring to the "Gang of 6" as the "Gang of 7" last night. Don't know what that was about. They must be putting Obama in the Gang with them.

But now, that leaves us with a wait and see who is even going to run.

So far some candidates have let on like they would run and didn't. Some backed out and others haven't decided, while another candidate has said no then said he is waiting til May to decide.

How can anyone decide who would be the best candidate when the Candidates don't even know themselves?

We the People are the Sovereignty in our Beautiful Free Country. We tell Congressmen what we want and don't want.

Congress is suppose to pass it into law unless it is in violation of the United States Constitution. If they have any doubts, they take it to the Supreme Court to get the interpretation of the Constitution on the matter.

We need to elect a Man or Woman, Black, White or whatever color who is a citizen of these United States of America (not the Territories or Possessions of the U.S.), that will secure our inalienable rights, and work with and for our Governments that are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed (Not the World Bankers).

We also need to use this logic when we vote for local officials as well. There should be a written test gov. employees should be required to take on the rights of the people before they are given a government job.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jul 27, 2011, at 12:53 PM

King Obama is slowly building his Muslim One World Order.

The Obama administration is preparing to follow Britain in recognizing the rebel National Transitional Council as the official government of Libya by approving an embassy in Washington DC, which given the fact that the rebel army is spearheaded by Al-Qaeda militants who have killed U.S. troops would equate to Obama handing terrorists a diplomatic outpost on U.S. soil.

Read more: http://visiontoamerica.org/2747/obama-to...

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 12:32 PM

Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed the UN Small Arms Treaty which defines small arms as any handgun, rifle or shotguns used for target practice or hunting.

In another effort to undermine the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, President Obama is quietly trying to adopt the United Nations' international gun control restrictions.

Basically, they are trying to disarm the American people.

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution states:

Just what we need, a President and Secretary of the State that want to destroy our Supreme Law of the Land and take away our guns.

Treaties Do Not Supersede the Constitution

"This court (supreme Court) has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty."

Reid v. Covert, October, 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg. 17.

Even a state of war and the declaration of secession by the people cannot suspend the Constitution or remove its protection."

Houston County v Martin, 232 Ala 511, 169 So. 13.

When will our Congress and President and leaders learn our Constitution is the Supreme Law and can not be replaced or done away with by new laws or treaties.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 12:55 PM

Here is a cute video everyone might enjoy?

http://ipatriot.com/video/dragnet

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 1:01 PM

Unique,

Take your medicine and go to bed.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 9:04 PM

Yezzer, Master.

I, I, I be going shortly.

Did you notice how Gold has gone up to $1,626.80 and the market hasn't finished falling yet.

I predicted it would go up $400 - $800 when Congress Raises the Debt Ceiling Tuesday, but seems I have been out predicted by some gold expert who thinks it will reach $4,000.

It wouldn't surprise me any, because this new Debt Ceiling will be raised by Trillions not Billions.

Are you through napping now?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 2:55 PM

I predicted.................

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 2:55 PM

As much mud as you throw at the wall something is bound to stick sooner or later.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:00 PM

Corporations. That way we can finally truthfully display who really runs the country... subsidies, tax breaks, loopholes, pretty soon we will even change the name from "president" of the United States to "CEO" of the United States, because it seems the public would much rather defend profit as a motive, rather than people.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:11 PM

Didn't splatter any on you did I, BA?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 10:21 PM

darrick_04

Time to wake up now!

"There is in our Political System, [two governments] a government of the several states AND a government of the United States. Each is distinct from the other and has citizens of its own." - U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 23 L. Ed 588

CORPORATIONS

"The United States Government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state." Volume 20: Corpus Juris Secundum, (P 1785: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S.Ct. 1973, 41 L. Ed. 287)

And we have this decision -- one of many -- that makes US jurisdiction clear:

"The laws of Congress in respect to those matters do not extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia , and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government." Catha v United States , 152 US , at 215

(SEE - ARTICLE I, Section 8, Clause 17 of US Const for Limits of Federal Government - Congress)

There are surely enough on the Internet learning the truth about the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT CORPORATION (created on February 21, 1871 by the Forty-First Congress, Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia". This is also known as the "Act of 1871″.

This is reflected in U.S. Code, Title 28 -- JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE, (Chapter 176) Section 3002 (15) (a, b, & c); which states that ~

(15) " United States " means -- (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; (C) an instrumentality of the United States

Yes, Congress has created a Corporate United States of Corporate Businesses. This is how the US trades with other Countries - through the Corporate Government. Even the States are Corporate States.which are foreign to each of the other 49 states. That is why one state doesn't have jurisdiction over another state. Cities are Corporations also giving them jurisdiction over licensed residents.

All of the 14th Amendment Citizens are citizens of this Foreign Corporation called the United States and by its alias Corporate names, The U.S. and The United States of America. These 14th Amendment citizens are citizens of the States they reside in. They are slaves to the Corporate Government (U.S.) and also the Corporate State Government.

The States could not do business with other States unless they were ALL Business Corporations. By creating State Government/Corporations in each State, Congress can have jurisdiction over Federal Citizens in the States. Federal Citizens are 14th Amendment Citizens and government employees/Officers/Officials and Military personnel.

You don't know just how correct you really are, darrick_04 !!

The law you are charged with and convicted by is UCC or the Uniform Commercial Code. It is a Commercial law that is used world wide in every country. Soon the United Nations will be over the courts in every country, that is why we have to stop OB from pushing laws through to the United Nations where they will apply to every one in the world including us.

I gotta stop here, so I don't get too far ahead of BA..

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 11:13 PM

Well, we only have a couple more days and the debt ceiling will be raised again for Pres. OB.

That should make the democrats happy. They will have the bills paid at a much higher rate and every person in America will be paying more on their bills. EVERY BILL!

Our Food, Gas, Utilities, Credit Card Payments, Loans, Mortgages, Car payments, School Fees, Clothes, EVERYTHING will cost more.

Did anyone send an email to their Representative and Senators? Did you tell them to tax the rich and leave the middle class alone?

What did YOU Do? Did YOU make a stand or just stay on your couch and do nothing?

If you don't tell them what YOU want, you will only get what THEY want.

"Ask not what your Country can do for YOU, but what YOU can do for YOUR County."

Send an email before they vote on Monday night or Tuesday morning telling them to raise the taxes on the rich or at least close the loop holes and STOP SPENDING!

It is the best thing you can do for yourself and your Country.

Remind them that you would like to be able to vote for them in the coming election.

U.S. Congressman Diane Black: https://black.house.gov/contact-me/email...

http://corker.senate.gov/public/index.cf...

http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index...

Do it Now and keep reminding them after the Debt Ceiling has been raised.

We Created and Control Congress. They only control what they create - The U.S. Corporations/Governments and 14th Amendment Citizens.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 11:19 AM

It's not over yet. Anyone who is happy with what just happened doesn't understand what happened.

Congress deserted the American people and gave in to OB.

OB now has his debt spending ceiling raised high enough to get him through his term of office.

It will be the next president who will have to cut the spending because OB has no intentions of cutting the spending and Congress knows it.

They handed King OB a blank check for his personal pleasure and enjoyment.

King OB has to be feeling good about now, so the first thing he will do is put a tax on something or raise a tax on something.

It's not king OB we should fear, but the people who still believe he is doing a good job.

We now know that king OB and Congress are working together against the people. What do you do now?

#2.4 Trillion in raises in the next 14 months for king OB to do what He thinks He should do with it, but MUST pay back in cuts $2.1 Trillion in the next 10 years.

How does that even look like a smart business deal for congress and America?

The NO-DOZ they took must have been too much for their simple minds and caused them to do a 180 when they voted.

In 10 years from now the deficit will be $20-$28 Trillion. Oh yeah, minus the $2.1 Trillion king OB is suppose to cut just before he leaves office in 2012.

What does this mean for America? The cost of everything will go up in cost now. You were told if we defaulted the interest rate would go up and everything will be higher, but now that they voted not to default... you will see interest rates go up on your Bank Loans, Mortgages (if you still have one), Credit Cards, and your Car Payment. WHen you shop you will be paying more for Gas, Food, Clothing, Rent, all products and services including Phone service, Cable service, Internet service, Utilities like Electric - Water-Sewer and Gas Bills.

What Congress has done this week is just as bad as a counterfeiter printing $2.4 Trillion and passing those bills into our commercial markets and economy.

OK Republicans, No Taxes! Now the Rich people and the big Corporation can really start creating the jobs congress and the experts have been bragging about with no tax increase for the rich.

Now, for the Democrats, you wanted the debt paid so we didn't Default. That makes you a winner also. Or will you feel the pressure when everything has to go up in price because of the increase in the debt spending ceiling? Will you be able to hang in there with all the Rich who don't have to pay taxes, because the Republicans caved in to King OB paying the default debt?

It looks like a win/win for both sides, but...

to me it is a Horror committed by both Congress and King OB.

But what if he doesn't leave office in 2012 like I predicted he wouldn't? What if he is re-elected?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 6:00 PM

The Democrats are thinking about Hillary Clinton for President. That could happen, but I would not wish for it.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 4:15 PM


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