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Reverse The Demand For Resignation

Posted Tuesday, February 7, 2012, at 3:20 PM

We often hear about President Obama or other American political figures demanding the resignation of the person in charge in another country, most resently Syria.

And sometimes other nations don't agree.

Is this reasonable action or the type of thinking that leads to America being involved in so many wars?

How would, and should, Americans feel about the leader of another nation demanding the resignation of our president?


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Yet again, you have put me into the awkward position of deciding how, what, or even if I should respond. It seems as though you are looking for a way out, and typically I would accommodate you. Unfortunately, I am now (in more ways than one) invested in the blog, and I am obliged to reply.

>>>>"No, I am not able to live in another person's life during their past."

Perhaps not, but a little empathy and compassion would go a long way. I did not live your life, but I do try to understand why you may believe as you do.

>>>>"Your problem is you are obsessed with race"

Perhaps I am preoccupied with race, and I search the blogs for an opportunity to play the "race cards". In all fairness, though, you were the one who originally extoled the virtues of segregation.

">>>> and consequently not capable of a discussion about facts and true history"

I hope that my aversion to "facts" and "true history" does not overshadow the points that I am trying to make.

>>>>"Today Birmingham's population is 242,820. The suburban doughnut surrounding Birmingham has a population of 1,079,089"

Urban decay and "white flight" is not predominately caused by race; it is caused by naturally occurring economic flows, and poor planning. As properties age, they become less and less expensive to occupy, thereby attracting people with lower and lower incomes. The more poor people an area has, the less investment it will generate. The lack of investment results in capital flight from the neighborhoods, and traditionally, inner cities, creating a cycle that ultimately results in run-down buildings, inadequate infrastructure, and thoroughly impoverished populations. Typically, it has been blacks who have inherited the areas, but only because they have been more likely to be poor. It would still happen in the same fashion if everyone within an area were all white (or all black) though. It even happens in towns the size of Shelbyville, but to a much lesser extent.

>>>>"Both cities of Atlanta and Birmingham have been destroyed. That is a fact. And no matter who or what is to blame, and why it happened does not alter the fact that the cities are destroyed."

I do not know much about Birmingham, but Atlanta is undoubtedly a world-class city. If it has been "destroyed", then I imagine that 99% of the world's city-planners hope to one day be "destroyed" as well. Are you referring to the Atlanta in the middle of Georgia, or are you referencing a different one? The one that I am thinking of hosted the Olympics several years ago and has torn down most of their public housing. They have a relatively low crime rate and a gentrification plan that appears to be working well. I would much rather be in any one of Atlanta's "bad neighborhoods" than the counterparts within Nashville, Chattanooga, or Memphis.

>>>>"My last comment."

I sincerely hope so. I have not enjoyed any part of this dialogue. I do value your experiences. There are hundreds of things that I would appreciate you writing about. For example, in the appropriate blog, I would love to know what you can recall about the first presidential election that you remember, why you campaigned for JFK, and how you came to play baseball in Birmingham. Unfortunately, your opinions of race, that have been instilled and reinforced throughout your life, are not one of them.

>>>>"Let's watch time go by and see what tomorrow brings."

I imagine that by the time I am your age--if I am fortunate enough to live as long as you-- someone who has (or will be) born this year may be challenging my views. That is approximately the same difference in age that you and I share, and that appears to be the natural order of things. I just hope that I am as mentally agile, and as accommodating, as you have been.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 4:26 AM

No, I am not able to live in another person's life during their past. My comments are pertinent to my life and my experiences. Your problem is you are obsessed with race and consequently not capable of a discussion about facts and true history. I lived in Atlanta in the 30s and I also lived there in the 80s. I played baseball in Birmingham in the early 50s and I lived there in the late 70s. Today Birmingham's population is 242,820. The suburban doughnut surrounding Birmingham has a population of 1,079,089. Both cities of Atlanta and Birmingham have been destroyed. That is a fact. And no matter who or what is to blame, and why it happened does not alter the fact that the cities are destroyed.

My last comment. Let's watch time go by and see what tomorrow brings.

-- Posted by Grits on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 7:37 PM

I am relieved to see that you were not too terribly offended by my comment, and that you are cantankerous enough to carry on. So----to continue:

>>>>"I witnessed the culture, cities and citizens of the 1930s until today. I don't need a history book, written by NY tenement house white neck trash propagandist..."

I agree that you do not need any history book right away. I recommend that you start off with a short stack of biographical work, highlighting people who have walked through many of the same years as yourself, who may have been afforded a somewhat different perspective of the period. After you realize that there was always someone on the other end of the inferior education, second-rate quality of life, intimidation, fists, batons, and nooses, then you may be more qualified to revisit the history book that was written by the aforementioned muckraker. You see, not everyone experienced the same life that you did. Some lives were quite different, and every single one of them is as valuable as yours for providing insight and understanding.

">>>>America is now rotting in her grave, and she leaves behind a nation of fragmented groups, full of hatred for each other."

Are you suggesting that fragmentation and hatred is a new phenomenon? This country was established upon both. America has never been perfect. For many Americans, it has, at times, been much less than perfect. Make no mistake, America is not dead. It is, however, easy to confuse metamorphosis with death.

">>>>The Protestant Christian nation founded by Europeans is gone,"

No, the nation that was founded upon the blood of indigenous populations--and the backs of African slaves--still exists, and it still offers up the same hollow Christian rhetoric that has typically accompanied actions that are, by most accounts, diametrically opposed to Christian theology. Your comment is proof positive of its continued existence.

I appreciate your concern for everyone's well-being, but I fail to see what fiat currency, globalization, and impending doom have to do with desegregation. Are you hoping to create a diversion, or do you associate these issues with the integration of black people as well?

-- Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 10:31 PM

I witnessed the culture, cities and citizens of the 1930s until today. I don't need a history book, written by NY tenement house white neck trash propagandist, filled with lying propaganda, and omission of the truth, to distort how it was in 1950, compared to what it is today in 2012. America is now rotting in her grave, and she leaves behind a nation of fragmented groups, full of hatred for each other. The Protestant Christian nation founded by Europeans is gone, and all I can do is look at our nation, and be very sad for me, and the misery and violent death or starvation, on the way to you. The days of trading worthless paper money to the Chinese for valuable products is coming to an end. My only advice to the young is get a passport, NOW. Don't wait until you have to stand in line with 150 million others trying to escape the killing and starvation.

-- Posted by Grits on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM

I am sorry that it has taken so long for me to reply. To be honest, I have been unsure how to respond to you. I do not typically feel comfortable being disrespectful to someone old enough to be my grandfather. I appreciate the wisdom and experience that anyone who has reached their ninth decade of live has undoubtedly accumulated. I will also give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you do not even realize just how offensive (and illogical) some of your assertions were.

That being understood, I have no other choice but to express why I believe you are wrong. If you had said those things to me in the barber shop, or in Hardee's one morning, or wherever you may socialize, I would most likely smile, nod, and say "yes sir" hoping to excuse myself as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, this public forum is somewhat more permanent than words spoken in passing, and your words immortalized herein warrant some analysis.

I realize that you want "facts" from me, but there are no facts that will lead us anywhere in this exchange. It is exceedingly difficult to disprove what you have asserted, as there is no alternative series of events with which to contrast our current situation against. Moreover, as you have already proven, "facts" tend to be selectively (if not erroneously) incorporated into our existing understandings, and ultimately provide us a false sense of accuracy. I think it would be more productive if I just counter some of your previous comments.

">>>>if you pass a "civil rights" law, that applies to the South and not the North"

I do not know about the specific quote--I am no devotee of Wallace--but the north had already banned segregation. Granted, it still happened, but it was certainly not codified into legal code.

">>>>it will destroy every major city in the US and destroy the US educational system"

Many things have contributed to the condition of our cities and schools, desegregation less than most. I fear you make the common mistake of confusing correlation and causality. Society has changed in the last 50 years, but assigning the blame to black integration is somewhat akin to blaming it exclusively upon the space race, the Vietnam War, or any other event closely linked in temporal proximity. There are many, much more plausible, explanations for what we see around us today.

">>>>He was called the most horrible racist of all time"

Perhaps "of all time" is an exaggeration, but he was certainly a racist. He sponsored an especially hostile version of contempt with the intention of inciting and agitating, in order to achieve his political ends.

">>>>demonized 24/7 by the Northern controlled media"

It was not a "northern media" that demonized him. It was the same media that we have today-- the mistress of accumulated capital and the mouthpiece of the federal government. The media will always support the federal position. Unless there is serious dissention within, either partisan or ideological, "we" are afforded only one perspective--or possibly two--with a strong bias for one of the two.

">>>>Unfortunately he was 100% correct as we can see today: It has come true. Visit Detroit and walk around downtown at 2-3 AM"

It was not a difficult prediction, and your characterization of "destroy" is quite lax. Cities have always been problematic. There is nothing new about crime in cities, nor anything causally linking it to desegregation. The source of most crime taking place in cities today (all cities) is associated with the criminalization, and aggressive enforcement, of drugs. Ironically enough, this happened during the same time period associated with desegregation.

Moreover, there has been an overall deterioration of collective social values, which have been replaced with self-serving ambition and crass consumerism. This culture of egocentrism has been intentionally instilled, more and more aggressively, into every strain of society through the manipulations of the advertising media, creating demand by manipulating insecurities. Ironically enough, once again, simultaneously occurring within the same general time frame as desegregation.

">>>>Today in the US stating historical facts is bigotry, and repeating factual statements is racist."

No, using dubious facts to advocate bigoted ideals is bigotry, and repeating slanted factual statements for the purpose of justifying racism is, by definition, racist.

">>>Diversity and democracy are mutually exclusive: This quote was: "Made in China"."

I am unsure of your intention posting this quote. Is it freedom or equality that you find disagreeable, or is it both? The quote is "American made" though.

">>>>All the universities in the US are graduating those who cannot read or write above the 3rd grade level."

I am no fan of public schools, but in all fairness, that would be an exception rather than the rule. Are you suggesting that black attendance has caused a decline in overall intellect? Please be more specific, so that I may have the opportunity to refute whatever it is that you are implying.

">>>>Like I did, you will learn the hard way."

It seems as though you presume that I am white. Would you be so confident that I would eventually learn the benefits of segregation, if you learn that I am black?

">>>>Don't demonize the messenger telling the truth"

I don't think there is one single thing that you wrote that is what I would consider to be an accurate representation of truth, with the exception of your original post accusing the president (any president) of being a puppet.

I understand that you come from a different time, with different realities. That, however, does not indicate that those realities were justifiable. They were not. People (all people) will behave as they have been conditioned. Desperate people will act desperately; self-centered people will act selfishly, uneducated people will act ignorantly, and occasionally--when someone is fortunate enough to temporarily overcome the desperation, selfishness, and ignorance--they may act nobly. Race has nothing to do with it, except that the hateful racial realities of the past, which you defend, have generated lasting consequences that may give the outward appearance of inferiority. Don't be fooled; it is only an outward appearance, represented statistically rather than individually, and produced entirely by people throughout history who possess beliefs analogous to your own.

The way I see it, anyone one who advocates the separation of peoples based upon their race, religion, or any other distinction of diversity, to the benefit of their own perceived standing--and the detriment of all others--are driven primarily by their own well-placed insecurity, caused by their fragile world-views, which likely cannot sustain a thorough enquiry. They lack any credibility whatsoever, yet they desperately cling to the antiquated prejudices that have distorted their principles, and hope to disseminate the corruption of their biases through a desperate attempt to validate them using deceptive "facts" and questionable leaps of reason.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Feb 28, 2012, at 8:57 PM

To: memyselfi.

I learned what I wrote the hard way. I bought the propaganda and actually campaigned for JFK. In 1938 I could ride my bycicyle(8yrs old) alone from our house to downtown Atlanta, 7 miles, and be very safe. Today a child cannot ride their bycicle 3 blocks in Atlanta and be safe. All the universities in the US are graduating those who cannot read or write above the 3rd grade level.

Bill Gates of Microsoft preaches "diversity" so he can bring in Visa techs from India, although we graduate thousands of ITs here, who cannot find a job. Like I did, you will learn the hard way. Don't demonize the messenger telling the truth.Give me some facts.

-- Posted by Grits on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 10:02 AM

Maybe it is just a character flaw of mine, but I seriously doubt that I will ever "get along" with anyone who overtly idolizes Wallace, laments the end of segregation, and appears to blame most of society's ills upon the integration of blacks.

Did I really just read that?????

-- Posted by memyselfi on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 1:17 AM

Diversity and democracy are mutually exclusive: This quote was: "Made in China".

-- Posted by Grits on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 1:37 PM

If we all get along we would not have, "My take on things is better than yours" people like Lazurus, making such totally "I'm better than you statements".

Oops, I just did the same thing, Sorry.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 9:58 AM

Can't we just all get along?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 8:43 PM

The kettle is half black and half white. I am referring to the white half, and you are referring to the black half.

-- Posted by Grits on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 1:06 PM

Frankly I see a pot calling a kettle black.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:48 PM

i really should stay away, but this is as fascinating as watching a train wreck. as yet no one has called you a racist, except yourself. yet you seem to become more and more agitated in your defense against accusations not made. everyone talks to theirself now and then. it isnt often that it turns into an argument.

-- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 3:03 PM

Today in the US stating historical facts is bigotry, and repeating factual statements is racist. I'll believe in the current culture when the Kennedys open their white compound in Mass to multi-culturism, and Bill and Hillary Clinton move out of Chapaqua(also called whitesville) down to Harlem. And Obama removes his children from the private school and puts them in a public school. Only in America can the elite have it both ways.

-- Posted by Grits on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 12:06 PM

ummm. i did not call you a racist. if that is how you choose to view yourself, that is your business.

i did call you a "sad individual" and unmistakably questioned what calibre person you are. i referred to the tone of your post as "nasty" and i havent changed my mind about any of those things.

i still have no desire to be grouped with people like you, and if your brand of ignorance is the alternative to obama... well, you figure it out.

-- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 11:36 AM

In 1963 Alabama Gov George Wallace said "if you pass a "civil rights" law, that applies to the South and not the North, it will destroy every major city in the US and destroy the US educational system". He was called the most horrible racist of all time, and demonized 24/7 by the Northern controlled media. Unfortunately he was 100% correct as we can see today: It has come true. Visit Detroit and walk around downtown at 2-3 AM, and if you survive you will have earned a PhD in "Street Smarts for the Masses". If we were in Germany in 1935 and I criticized and ridiculed Hitler, I would be shouted at with the same blather I get when I tell the truth about Obama. I don't criticize the color of his skin, but the character of he and his puppeteers.

-- Posted by Grits on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM

"Obama is an ignorant street hustler, buckdancing and smackjabing on the plantation, of his main stream media puppeteers. So if a nation demanded their puppet Obama resign, the MSM would not broadcast or print it."

posts like this, which have become a staple in every forum of discussion, really only tell us about the posters themselves. and the posts probably tell us a lot more than the poster would want us to know.

the thing is, their effect might turn out to be the exact opposite of what these sad individuals desire. come november i cannot and will not vote in a way that aligns myself with people of this calibre, nor with candidates who pander to this sort of nastiness.

-- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 7:57 AM

Obama is an ignorant street hustler, buckdancing and smackjabing on the plantation, of his main stream media puppeteers. So if a nation demanded their puppet Obama resign, the MSM would not broadcast or print it.

-- Posted by Grits on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM

I totally agree. Like I have said before, Almighty O talks out both sides of his mouth. Other countries have probably made such statements about him resigning, but all powers in strategic places are very careful as to what is released to the media for broadcasting. Fox News might run with such an article if they could find someone that would attest to other nations wanting Almighty O to resign.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 12:33 PM

I agree with Mike. And would like to add that the US needs to stop worrying about other countries and take care of home first.

As for other countries demanding the resignation of Obama ..... that is something that would be interesting to see. But I am not expecting it to happen though.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 7:43 PM

He should practice what he preaches.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 5:42 PM


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