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Public Or Electoral Vote?

Posted Thursday, October 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM

If a presidential election comes down to a so-called dead heat, do you think overall public vote or electoral vote should determine the outcome? Why?

Does one person, one vote really prove to be true when overall public vote is ignored?

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Interesting question..I had to really wrinkle my forehead to remember just who/what the Electoral College is. So I did a little research: In 1787, the founding fathers decided that the average citizen was not educated enough to elect a President, so they devised the Electoral College. The Electoral College is the 12th Amendment to the Constitution. The College members are handpicked by leaders of each party. The Electoral College members cannot be: A member of Congress; A high-ranking U.S. official in a position of trust or profit which refers to a member of Congress accepting an appointment to executive office; Or someone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the U.S. Does anyone know the names of the people who make up the Electoral College? Maybe we should find out before we vote. And maybe it is time to overturn the antiquated amendment. My vote is always the Popular Vote!

-- Posted by caligal on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 4:31 PM

My question would be whether anyone who didn't even know about the electoral college really is educated enough to elect a president. It doesn't take much exposure to the campaigns to realize they are not chasing the intelligent vote.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter... Winston Churchill

-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 8:29 PM

I was not aware that education is a prerequisite to vote but I sure don't like the ruling parties telling us that we are too dumb to know. It seems like the fox guarding the hen-house.

The Republicans & Democrats are the two leading parties so if an independent candidate won the popular vote, who would determine the electoral vote?

I would agree that many people vote with little knowledge about who they are voting for and what they stand for, but does anyone really know? I lean toward Republicans in National elections but that does not mean I believe all their spin. I just agree with their thought patterns more than the Democrats.

Sure would like another viable choice.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 10:42 PM

Dear Lazarus: It's not that I didn't know about the Electoral College; I am old and needed a referesher about just who appointed the College.

Arrogance is not a qualification to vote either.

-- Posted by caligal on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 11:24 PM


Thank you for both comments. Sometimes there are really arrogant folks on these blogs.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 12:42 AM

Even though the popular vote does not always go to our liking, and the electoral vote does, I have always thought we should go by the popular vote. And by the way I think that we should adhere to the one qualified, living, breathing person having one vote.

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 6:10 AM

Because most states award their electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis, and because it's so widely publicized that certain states are overwhelmingly in favor of one or the other candidate, some people in those non-battleground states may feel as if their votes in the presidential race don't really matter. I think that's bad for the country. Switching to a popular vote system would help restore the idea that each person's vote counts.

-- Posted by jcarney on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 10:24 AM

Caligal, thank you for the refresher as well.

As for the possibility of switching to the popular vote...don't count on it. One of the major disadvantages are states that are less populated. If you took the popular votes from California versus a smaller state like Rhode Island - you can see that the voting is not fair.

I do agree that something needs to be done to the voting process. If the presidential votes only count when coming from the electoral college, then what is the purpose of the American people when it comes to voting? Our votes count on the small scale (mayor, city reps, etc). But on the large scale, they are ignored.

-- Posted by -Beth- on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 1:46 PM

I thought the Electoral College was where politicians went for understudy to learn how to stick it to the working man.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 12:17 PM

Voting is done by the states. People are "NOT" smart enough to know who to vote for. Look at it for what it is. People say the candidates aren't smart enough to run the country and we are suppose to be smarter than they are to vote them in or out of office? How dumb is that? People don't know everything about politics and never will unless they want to run for President.

Look at your local city officials who are voted in office. They do some of the dumbest things just because they think they can, or do things against the will of the people who are the masters over these public servants. I believe the states merely use the voter registration as your counted vote. Whatever you are registered as; Democrat or Republican is counted to determine what the electoral vote will be.

Take Florida for example: The personal votes couldn't be counted accurately when a recount was ordered. If they couldn't do an accurate personal vote count, how could they decide what the electoral vote would be? They decided not to count individual vote but let the electoral vote decide. The Officials all over the country were trying to blame the Floridians of not knowing how to vote, many of which had voted all their lives.

I took offense in hearing the officials say the people didn't know how to vote when it all boiled down to the officials didn't know how to count the Electoral vote, which now has 29 votes. How does a state not be able to count 21-27 votes accurately?

Let's put the blame where it belongs!

Even the electoral vote has changed to their advantage over the years. Now they count all the popular votes in their state, Yeah, Right, if you believe that, then choose the winning party as their Electoral votes.

If you could put all the opposing popular votes with all the other voters voting that way in all the other states - the winner could be the other party. Not fair at all.

Presidents are elected before the polls are even closed on the west coast.

So your vote doesn't count unless you live in a deciding state that makes a difference.

Ask yourself, how can they count all the popular votes of millions of people in just hours, when the State of Florida couldn't "RECOUNT" the votes in Florida in several days and wound up having to recount the Electoral votes to decide?

And we the people are the stupid ones?

Now let's take a look at all the Polls they show us everyday. This is an election that I am suppose to believe is a 50% to 50% race results.

Obama is ahead 51% to Mitt's 49% because Obama has the women votes. Then Mitt got the women votes and the polls showed mitt ahead 51% to Obama's 49%. (Not accurate polls) If Mitt got more women votes then Obama must have lost the exact same number of women votes because logic would tell me the polls would read Mitt way ahead.

When I see polls that run this close almost 50/50 there is something fishy in the count. Either party could win when it is this close. This could call for another recount when it is all over.

President Obama sued one of the states for trying to extend the voting period for American Military personnel, but yesterday extended the voting period for early voters in the North East. Obama has no use for the American Military. How is that constitutional to allow states to extend early voting but not the Military who are defending his ass.

And I could go on and on but won't. I will add this: I said we would not recover from this economy. It looks like I am right. Just when you think it is going to level out, America gets hit with another Hurricane that has added to this economy crisis. We will all feel the hurt from this disaster also. Whatever happens in the north moves down through the states to the south and west. When the north recovers then the recovery will move down through the states. How much longer will it be?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM

Oh Yeah, I forgot something! I also predicted last year that Obama would be "re-elected". It looks like I might be right, but truly hope I am wrong!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 12:17 PM

I wonder what people think about Romney ownership in the voting machines being used in Ohio and across the nation ( not his son but him) .



There should be no possible connections between any candidate and the possibility of voter manipulation or fraud. Romney once again is tied to behavior that makes it look like he considers himself to above reproach - that he does not have to abide by the same rules as the rest of the people. Can one imagine if this story was about Obama instead of ROmney ?

-- Posted by jstus on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 1:53 PM

If that was true, the news media would be all over it non-stop.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 2:06 PM

My vote is for the popular vote.I am tired of some people thinking we are not smart enough to vote.Obama wanted early voting extended not just for military but others.The republicans are the ones caught creating voter fraud but have been accusing dems. There has been to much voter suppression in America.If Romney wins he will inherit a much better economy than Obama did.Each persons vote should count no matter who they vote for.I predict Obama will win again.

-- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 2:24 PM

I guess the government, while not trusting that we are smart enough to elect a president, now they have gone further to show that they don't trust a fair election, which may have some merit but does not deserve this treatment:

The United Nations is sending in foreign citizens to monitor our election in some states to make sure they are fair. Kazakstan is one country that is going to observe. They are not a democratic country and are highly censored by their government. And, further, Obama's administration has said that they are free from prosecution if they violate one of our laws while observing our elections!

Are we outraged enough? We will see.

-- Posted by caligal on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 3:09 PM

Lets be real and all the demos,

The republicans are caught telling the people at the early voting polls that their vote for Romney is changed by the computer to Obama. Looks like the Voting Machines are the guilty party. That also kind of bunks the idea that Romney's family investment in voting machines isn't the problem.

If Obama could create jobs, why hasn't he. He spent 8 Trillion Dollars creating 4 million new jobs. In the first place they weren't new jobs.

If you remember right, Obama spent millions helping Mom's go back to school by helping them get financing that they can't pay back because their are no jobs for them. All those women who went back to school went off the unemployment role.

Divide 4 million jobs into 4 Trillion US Dollars then tell me he created jobs and at what cost? It cost Obama more money than these people will make in a year. Our Taxpayer money. He has raised the deficit several time while in his FIRST OFFICE TEAM, and destroyed the US Credit Rating by getting it lowered Twice in One Year. Never done before in the History of the United States.

President Obama sat in his viewing office in the white house and watched a live video of the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi as it was happening and done absolutely nothing.

Obama claims he ordered troops in to help, but if you believe that, why are all these troops not being court marshaled for disobeying an order from the President of the United States.

Obama has no excuse for sitting there and watching it happen as it was happening and doing nothing to prevent it or help our American people in Libya.

President Obama came out Sunday night and said We would not let terrorist go unpunished for their deed, then went to Vegas to campaign. Days later he stuck to the story of the Muslim video as the blame for the demonstration.

Even I could see that it was a Terrorist attack (not a protest) as I watched it happening on the news on 9/11.

Your President Obama showed what he is made of during this crisis.

Barack Obama isn't fit to be a US Citizen let alone a US President.

Obama said in one of his first speeches that the United States has never fought the Muslims and they never would. He went on to say if it came down to it, he would choose the side of the muslims.

I think President Barack Obama proved to the American people just exactly what he meant during the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi. Obama kept our troops away and helped the Terrorists attack and kill the 4 Americans by doing nothing to help them even after they begged for help. He even told the Seals to stand down and not go to their aid.

How anyone could possibly even consider voting for an unpatriotic, lying, thieving, law breaking, US Constitutional ignoring, excuse of a man who helped the Muslim Terrorists kill the 4 men in Libya. Drones were in the air videoing the attack for Obama to watch as it was happening for 4 hours. Your President done Nothing except LIE! One lie after another and ordered his administration to tell the same LIE also.

Yeah, re-elect this thing into office for 4 more years and watch what he does because of YOU and Your Votes!

What else can he destroy except the US Constitution and remove Congress from the Legislative Branch.

Obama is not the Anti-Christ, but is the head of the Anti-Christ Governments and their employees.

King Obama promised to help all the governors with Hurricane Sandy relief but the people aren't getting the help, only the states. People don't know where to go to get help, food, water, shelter or anything. They are left to wander around on their own looking for whatever they can find.

FEMA has Trucks sitting in a lot with generators on them. Where are these generators going? Nowhere. They are just sitting there for people to look at just like the trailers were supplied during the New Orleans crisis, but not used to help the homeless people. When they were finally used they were killing the people, kind of like the US giving the Indians blankets with smallpox in them.

Do any of you remember the talks about the FEMA Concentration Camps conspiracies? They wanted to prove that they were FEMA Relocation Center all around America to house people in disasters.

How many of these Relocation Center have been opened up to the public in the North East? I have not heard of any being opened for the people in need. They must be Concentration Camps for the Anti-Christ.

Obama could order these Relocation Centers opened for this emergency, but you won't hear that from this Barack Obama's mouth. He does not care anything about the American People. Get it through your heads before it's too late.

Just how much more are you going to let Obama get away with before he is impeached or ...??

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 1:26 PM

Obama wont be impeached after he wins.How can Romney claim to be a christian and lie about everything.He not telling the truth about his policy on medicare,he lied about the auto industry,he has not talked about his taxes,one day he is prochoice the next day he is prolife. Even Ann Romney stated she is worried about his mental health if elected.What he said behind closed doors is how he really feels.He will be a puppet for republican lawmakers.If every one is allowed to vote we wont have to worry about Romney.Can anyone give me a good reason why anyone would decrease early voting hours?Also I believe he will let his faith determine how he will run this country.We need a president not another pastor.It is a shame for americans to stand in line in Florida and be told they cant vote because the republican Gov wont budge.

-- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM

The LIAR is Obama. All his lies are directed at Romney. On Obama and his vice president are calling Romney a liar because Obama is a Con Artist. He has coned you into thinking he will help you.

Try this Test:

Watch the next couple of days and see what happens when this second storm hits the north east. You won't see Obama offering to help anyone.

Watch the news and listen to the victims of Sandy complain that Obama isn't helping them like he promised. They have no food, no gas, no drinking water, no electricity for heat or cooking. They have nothing and FEMA isn't opening any Relocation Centers for them or even putting their generators in use. They just keep them on a parked truck to tease the victims JUST LIKE KATRINA.

Watch the news today and watch the UNITED NATIONS watch over the Voting right here in the United States. I told everyone this past year that the United Nation will be the WORLD POLICE. We are the world Policemen and being watched and overseen by the UN. That ought to tell you what Obama is like. Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have been kissing up to the United Nations, encouraging them to enact laws that would disarm all the citizens of The United States and pass Blasphemy Laws to protect the Muslim Religions.

4 MORE Year of that? You get what you ask for.

Obama has done nothing but run his mouth telling the people what he WILL DO, but never has he said how he would do it, nor has he ever done anything that help the economy. He has not ever told us what his plan was to create jobs, but speaks of Romney not having a plan.

He lied about his Obama Healthcare.

Again, watch what happens with the victim of Hurricane Sandy at how Home Land Security handles the crisis. This is who will be in charge of Obama Healthcare. It will be just as much a disaster as it is right now trying to help the victims. They learned absolutely nothing from KATRINA.

And YOU want 4 more years of this kind of leadership?

WATCH and Look around you. Use your Common Sense not the Lies that Obama spits out of his lying mouth.

Have you listened to the lies Obama and Biden tell. They take the truth that Romney tells the people about Obama and his Demonic Administration and applies it to Romney. They can't even come up with their on stories. Obama has his Administration up his ass with the raises he gave them. They would follow him to the ends of the earth with all his lies. Even Bill Clinton has fallen prey to Obama, but will fall with him.

Watch and see if the people don't turn on their relatives and neighbors after the election. Obama has turned the people against each other to the point I believe the people in the USA will start committing suicide or killing their relatives and neighbors over this election.

It sounds crazy but that is what I see happening in the future. I see the Political Leaders going crazy today. They commit crimes against the people then make up lies that make no sense at all. They are just crazy and the people are getting just as bad. You can see this craziness everywhere Today!

Oh well, one thing at a time. Lets vote and see who wins!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:05 PM

If we elect by popular vote, we would only need, New York, California, Georgia and Florida to vote. If it were not for the electorial college, there would be no equalizing. Small states would have little or no say in the elections. If every state had an equal number of population, popular vote would be great.

-- Posted by chs61 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:09 PM

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