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An interesting question

Posted Wednesday, August 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM

I'm wondering what the local reaction to this will be.

In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.

Officials said the rules would be backed up by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

This could prove to be ... interesting. FYI and discussion.


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I personally think that is a great idea as long as they give employers some way to be able to check false ID's. I work in a business where I come in contact with many immigrants some of which are illegal. How does someone tell a fake ID from a vaild one? I have no problem with legal immigrants but they all need to go though the proper channels and become citizens and most of all speak English. Try being a 1st grade teacher with 3 or 4 children who speak no english. What can she teach them if they can not understand anything the teacher says?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 9:25 AM

Employers have had a way to check for false SSN's for a while now. Unfortunately they don't bother most of the time. As far as the kids of illegal immigrants, why does the school system allow them to register if they aren't able to produce legitimate identification? Regardless of what people may believe, the child of an illegal immigrant that is born in the U.S.A. is not automatically a citizen. They can petition to be a citizen at age 18, but until that's approved (which is, pretty much guaranteed) they are not technically a citizen. Therefore they do not have the right to use our social services as if they were since they do not contribute to the tax-base.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 12:16 PM

Thom, I find myself agreeing with you too much ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 12:27 PM

Ok So how does someone check for a Fake ID? No one has ever bothered to let employers know this...I mean besides the obvious ways.."if they are Hispanic and speak little to no English and give me an ID with the name of Smith or Jones I kinda know something just ain't quite right..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 12:43 PM

Since when is it okay for America to make English a primary language? Just because people come from another country and they were not raised to speak English, does not mean that they should have to learn a whole new language, which by the way, ENGLISH is the hardest language to learn to speak. Again, I say that America and all it's little greedy people are too selfish to consider another's life.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 12:54 PM

Duh Because Americans speak English and if you wish to live here and talk with other people then you need to speak ENGLISH.

So you think we American's need to learn Spanish and Arbaic in order to talk to immigrants...LOL

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 1:12 PM

When in Rome....

-- Posted by Brian Mosely on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 1:52 PM

I tend to think that Americans could do with a great deal of learning when it comes to other cultures and languages. As far as forcing us to learn a foreign language when someone comes into our country and refuses to assimilate, that's ridiculous. If an immigrant wants to come to the United States and refuses to learn the local language, then they deserve everything that they get themselves into because they didn't take the time to learn. I refuse to allow someone to force me to learn a different language. If you come into my country and want to act as if you don't belong, then you don't. If you, being a resident of Tennessee where you are allowed to turn right on red after a stop, go to Virginia, where you are NOT allowed to do so, and turn right on a red light, you will get a ticket. Why? Because you didn't arm yourself with the information necessary to transport yourself through their commonwealth without getting into trouble. I'm not saying that it should be illegal to speak Spanish, or any other language, in the U.S.A. I'm just saying that I don't expect the locals to adapt for me when I'm in a foreign land...and I will NOT adapt for them when they are foreigners in MY land. I'm betting that darrick_04 doesn't agree with me on this one. ;)

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 2:01 PM

I think that America needs a national id card. The government should give every American a three - five year window to get their id card. Once the five year period has expired, any American found without an ID card would be in violation of the law and should be investigated and dealt with accordingly. Most of these people would be illegal immigrants, wanted criminals, and other types that have a reason to avoid the law.

All those that are concerned about Big Brother, I got some bad news for you. Big Brother is here. He has cameras and he listens to your phone calls, and he knows what books you check out at the library. Computers have enabled instant access to your credit card records and your phone records so he knows what you buy and what countries you call. Get over it.

I would be proud to carry an ID card that says I am an American. This card must be free to all Americans. Many people would like the idea of getting something of personal value back after paying their taxes. One last note, this card must be done right. We need our brightest and best minds working on ways to keep it from being counterfitted. God Bless the USA!!!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 2:06 PM

Hmmm we do have a National ID card it's called a Social Security Card.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM

Sorry, back to the original question that I meant to answer before I got on my soap box...lol. The Social Security Administration has a Social Security Number Verification Service (http://www.ssa.gov/bso/bsowelcome.htm). Employers can use this to verify the SSNs of current and former employees (not prospective employees). If the employee is found to have a mismatched SSN, then they will send a letter to the employer and they will have to get the correct information from the employee. The fact that they provided an incorrect SSN at employment is not, alone, reason for adverse actions against the employee (they may have simply made a mistake). The best way that an employer can protect their business from anything that might arise from hiring illegal aliens, or persons using fraudulent documents is to use a background screening service. There are many of them out there and they are reasonable for checking criminal backgrounds, SSNs, driving histories and such. You can find more information about these companies and their services at http://www.napbs.com/. My wife happens to work for one out of Jacksonville Beach, FL and when we moved up here, she started telecommuting. You can search for a local one, or look around and price some different ones. Those are probably the best way to protect your interests when it comes to fraudulent employment, whether it's an illegal alien or not.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 2:16 PM

I agree with you 100% dianatn.....THIS IS AMERICA..LEARN THE LANGUAGE OR LEAVE!! It is VERY aggravating to be standing in line ANYWHERE and it taking an hour to do anything because the person in front of you has no clue what they are saying and the cashier/secretary/desk worker has no clue what the other person is saying. AGGRAVATION AT IT'S WORST....We have a National ID number and we need to inforce it to the fullest and get the illegals out. PERIOD!!!!!

-- Posted by Vindicated on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 2:33 PM

Apparently in this day of time, it makes a person too stupid or dumb to have an open mind. If you visit Mexico, you can bet that they won't shove their language down your throat.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 9:09 PM

weezie84 - There is a HUGE difference between visiting and migrating. If I were to pick up and MOVE to a different country, I would expect to have to learn their language. Even if I didn't have to, I would simply so that I could understand more of the culture. That's right, if I were to move to Canada, I would have to learn words like "hoser" and to end each and every sentence with "eh?" If you HONESTLY believe that you can move to Mexico (and I'm not talking about the tourist areas) and successfully integrate with their people (your new neighbors) and not know the Mexican dialect of Spanish. If you REALLY, REALLY believe that, then it's true...ignorance really is bliss.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM

whatever happened to just accepting people the way that they are. granted that alot of the mexicans don't know a lick of english and it is hard to communicate with them, most of us during high school had the elective to learn either latin or spanish. the "americans" as you call it are becoming a minority, and it's not due to just mexicans. so what do you think is going to happen when there are few of americans left?

-- Posted by weezie84 on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 10:07 PM

weezie84

The keyword in your sentence was VISIT..yes if I visited any country in the world I would not need to know their language but as Thom so intelligently pointed out, if I moved there then YES I would need to learn the language, they would not cater to my english speaking children, they would not have translators everywhere I go just for english and the signs would not be in 2 or 3 or even 4 different languages just to make it easier on me. They would expect ME to adapt to them not vice versa. I am not against people coming here and becoming american, but do it legally and learn our language.

And there are plenty of AMERICANS left, I consider all people that are born here or come here and gain citizenship american, not just the white folk. I just choose not to title myself "Caucasian American" I am just simply an american. It seems that you are thinking that the white people are slowly becoming the minority...well All Europeans are white and I don't see a lack of them anywhere or anytime in the near future.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:44 AM

And yes Thom...Ignorance is indeed bliss...

-- Posted by stolen25 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:46 AM

Look, you can say whatever you want, but my opinion will not change. And I hate to break it to you, but you are a caucasian american, much like the mexican americans, african americans. you are no better to just lable yourself an american when you dont even understand what america stands for. For years, this country has had plenty of lables and signs in many different other languages, mainly because of the mixture of people and cultures we have in these states. you are correct, maybe I should have said move to mexico. but then again, in certain parts of mexico, they do speak english.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:02 AM

Please learn the difference in Nationality and Heritage

The Legal definition of Nationality is NATIONALITY - The state of a person in relation to the nation in which he was born.. with this said you can not possibly be born in but one country meaning if you are born in America then you will always be American. PERIOD

Heritage is where my family originated from and has NOTHING to do with my Nationality. My Heritage is German and Irish it does not mean I am either.

Now say I am born in America I grow up in America..later in life decide I want to move to Mexico I can become a citizen of Mexico but I will never become Mexican. Just as I could Never Become African because I was born in America.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:31 AM

I just choose not to title myself "Caucasian American" I am just simply an american.

You were the one who made this statement, so don't come at me with yet another stupid excuse for you to lash out at me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and even though you disagree with every single one I've posted, that's okay, I don't lash out at you or come up with off the wall topics that have nothing to do with the blog itself. So what would you call a mexican that was born into this country?

-- Posted by weezie84 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:48 AM

LOL A Mexican is not born in America..they are born in Mexico.

And if you would go back thru These comments I did not change this discussion...You Did

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:56 AM

Still, you avoided the question I asked you. If a mexican is born here, what does that make him? A mexican-american. I respect your opinions and answers in these blogs, and understand that I am not trying to argue around your opinions.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:45 AM

Just to repeat dianatn...a Mexican is not born in America. He/she is born in MEXICO...if they come here as Mexican born and have children then there children are American just as the offspring of said children will be....same as the "African Americans" weren't born in AFRICA..I can't think of one single black person I know that was born in Africa, but hey since most of my family came from Germany and the other half are native american Cherokee..then I am now officially German/Native-American? NOPE I am just American..plain and simple.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 12:04 PM

You see I did answer your question a Mexican is born in Mexico. So that means if they are born in America they are not Mexican they are American with Hispanic heritage. And that is not my opinion it's just the way it is... You can not become another Nationality just because you become a citizen of that country. Nationality means where you were born if you were born in America you will always be American regardless of where you live. We all have different heritage but it doesn't make any one of us less of an American. You can be only one Nationality but you can have many different heritages.

No matter how hard I tried I could never become Mexican I could live in Mexico and become a Mexican citizen but I wouldn't be Mexican. I would still be American living in Mexico.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 12:12 PM

Political correctness is a nightmare perpetrated by a segment of our society that enjoys the idea that our country owes entitlements to other cultures because our way of life, the foundation of which was laid out by our founding fathers, has allowed us to become the country that all others aspire to be. If the millions upon millions of people that "migrate" here were to stay in their country of origin and fight for their personal freedoms and free enterprise system as we have they may discover that they could make a difference for their future generations. This is America. We speak English. Why the hell do I have to press one for my language in my own country? Come here in a legal manner, speak whatever language you want to in your home or among your native countrymen, but learn to speak English. It is the foundation of that better life that the immigrants claim to be here for.

-- Posted by jjones on Sun, Aug 12, 2007, at 6:57 PM


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