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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 10:12 AM

While this writer has gotten a ton of favorable comment about my weekly columns, there are, of course, critics of my opinions. It's just part of the business. Not everyone is going to agree on a particular topic, that is a given.

With that in mind, I feel I need to respond to criticism of one of my recent pieces which deals with illegal immigrants who commit murders, rapes and robberies because they are not deported the first time they are caught.

Someone named "jose" sent a message to my co-workers and I on this and since he left no return address, I'll just respond to his concerns here. I have not altered any of his message:

Why is it, that every time you got a story to write, Mr. Mosley, it alwayas makes hispanics look bad.

I'm not making any group of people look bad. That is done by their own actions.

Every time i read your stories you always talk about "ALL" of the immigrants as been criminals and bad people.

Not true. If someone comes here legally and goes through the proper channels, follows the laws of this country, they shouldn't have a problem at all. This isn't hard to understand. I have Hispanics in my family and they came here legally.

I have been living here in shelbyville for 13 years. I have never been to jail or been in trouble with the law.

That is great to hear!

I am a hard worker and i only want to give my family the best there is out there. Mr. Mosley if you think thats a sin or it's something against the law, then i guess you are a crimanal as well me.

That would all depend. Do you break the law to support your family? Did you enter this country illegally to do so? That's the problem that I and many people that were born and raised here have a problem with. It is also the problem that many Hispanics that came here legally have a problem with as well. The actions of those who continuously break the law reflect badly on the law abiding.

If you consider me a criminal for just trying to give my family and my self a better life here in this great country i guess you can call me a criminal, but there's one thing that i hope; that you will never find your self in the same position as many of the people that come to america looking for a better life to give to their families.

When my checking account runs low, I don't knock over First National to "give my family a better life." The ends do not justify the means, but apparently many seem to think that they do.

when will you understand that not everyone is the same. If you had any idea of what it's like suffering through the desert heat or suffering through thirst for almost two to three day you would understand.

I don't get this. Does Jose mean that just because someone is suffering, that totally justifies breaking the laws of this country?

I THINK THAT YOU ARE JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVER.  Most of the people that come here come for different reason.  Some come because their kids are dying of hunger others because their moms are in need of medications and they don't have sufficent funds.  Some come because there is simply no work.

Unfortunately, it's like this in a lot of places on this planet. But that doesn't mean America is responsible for every single person that has a hard time. Why do people think they have a right to enter our country without permission whenever they feel like it? If my family is having a struggle, would it be OK for me to break into your place and take what they need? No, it would not, but that is the attitude we are seeing more and more: As long as someone is "suffering," anything that is done is perfectly justified.

If the americans wanted too they could take hispanic jobs away whenever they felt like but they don't do it because they can't work like hispanics because they are used to easy going work.
 

I'll have to agree with you on this one. Lately, we HAVE gotten too fat and lazy.

I would for your next story not to criticize hispanics the way you have been doing.  Don't put everyone on the same boat when they are not all fisherman.

Jose, you miss the whole point of the column, which was talking about murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and other wonderful characters who are not suppose to be here in the first place ... but end up harming and killing innocent people.

It is about putting into place a method to detect those criminals who came here illegally and to make sure they don't have the chance to get back out and harm someone else.

Unfortunately, Jose focuses on the race of the people in question instead of their actions, which is what many are concerned with. Take a look at the police blotter. It is the same names and charges, over and over and over. For some, a trip to the county jail gives them the time to catch up with old friends.

A while back, David Melson and myself were both accused of being racist because we both pointed out in separate columns about the dangers of heavy drinking that was going on with members of this particular ethnic group. We were not talking about race, but their dangerous actions. David and I are poles apart when it comes to politics, but we totally agree on this point.

Also, take a look at this report we got today. If it turns out that this guy had been in jail before and was let out instead of being deported, how is this going to make the victim feel? The sheriff told me that he is worried that he is going to let a repeat offender out and he will kill someone. That is what the column was focusing on. Not race.

Bedford County needs the 287[g] system and it needs it now.


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While I don't agree with a lot of your columns, I do agree with your viewpoint on this subject. They don't understand that they are breaking the law just coming here and they feel we should make a special exception out of them. Like you said, how would they feel if someone broke into their house and decided they wanted to live there without their consent. It is the same principal. But mostly, it gets frustrating when there are people here illegally who keep committing crimes but yet they still remain. It would seem that other people of that ethnicity that are here legally or even illegally would be for the 287[g] system to remove these criminal elements because it reflects badly on them too.

Anyway, it just angers me that they have this viewpoint that we are suppose to roll over and give them everything they want when someone like me has to follow the law and suffer the consequences when I don't. When did being a citizen become a disadvantage in your own country?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 11:08 AM

What is most disturbing to many is the arrogant sense of entitlement that many of these folks that come here have. If you read my column from last week, you'll note the following, which came from the website of the organization supporting this convicted felon's "right" to break our laws. It was co-written by the felon herself:

"We have shown that we are not only for protecting the rights of the undocumented but we are struggling for Latinos to become a voice for justice for all of Latin America. We have supported self-determination and opposed assimilation into this nation's individualistic, imperialistic values. We have taught that our people did not come here because of the American Dream but because of what the American nightmare did to our countries of origin. We have asserted that our demand to be here and to be fully enfranchised here is a right not a privilege and a destiny of our people to transform this nation."

Not a thing about giving their familes a "better life." Instead, it appears they want to change our culture to fit theirs.

-- Posted by Brian Mosely on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 11:36 AM

Yeah, I read that article and was appalled by what she suggested and believed and just couldn't find the words to articulate my disdain for what that woman was stating. If we as Americans have such individualistic, imperialistic values then why do they want to come here in droves and illegally. We did nothing to their country . . . they did. Instead of choosing to stand up and make a difference, they ran away and blamed their problems on someone else(mostly us). I just don't get that mentality and I guess I never will. What is even worse is that her words insinuate that they want to topple our way of life and create their own . . . . And that is what makes so many people upset. It's funny how they want a piece of the American pie but they hate the person who baked it and also didn't help in baking it but have no problem eating the pie.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 12:17 PM

I'm just wondering what part of ILLEGAL is so difficult to understand for these people. Illegal immigrants do NOT have rights since they are not here legally, therefore there is no legally recognized group that includes them. That's like saying that we, as Americans (and I noticed that Jose failed to capitalize our nationality) have the same rights in a foreign country that we enjoy here. When you are in a foreign country, you have to abide by their laws. Just like when a foreigner is here, they have to (unless you believe this kook Elvira) abide by our laws. Personally, I believe the 287g program is long overdue. Or our local officials could take the same initiative as the Sherriff in Maury county. One other issue that I have with all of this. If an illegal immigrant does not have a legal UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT identification, how do they purchase beer? The local police could round up tons of them simply by enforcing the whole "ID Everyone" law that's been recently enacted in TN.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 12:19 PM

I can see why Latinos are upset at the media coverage of illegal immigrants. There is a long standing myth of immigrant criminality that persists to this day. The constant media attention given to the small minority of illegal immigrants who commit heinous crimes promotes the myth of immigrant criminality. There are no credible studies that show immigration related offenses have a 'cause and effect' relationship to other crimes. Official government statistics consistantly show immigrants of all statuses have much LOWER crime rates, confirming that the large majority of immigrants, including illegal immigrants, come here to work or be with family. These stereotypes are often mistakenly applied to Hispanics in general, causing them to feel hostility from non-Latinos, though the overwhelming majority, including most illegal immigrants, have nothing to do with the small criminal element. IMHO the relevance of a criminal's immigration status is that law enforcement has an additional tool to prevent more crimes from these individuals. Immigrants who commit crimes can be deported after serving their sentences. Immigrating here illegally has not been shown to lead to other crimes, despite the rhetoric of the anti-immigrant xenophobes who in truth don't want any immigrants at all.

-- Posted by Watchman on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 1:32 PM

It's pretty simple really, if you are here illegally, go back to where you came from. Come back the lawful way if you want to have a life in America.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Again Watchman, we're focusing on race instead of actions.

Take a look at this one:

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25...

This case has caused one massive outcry. Much of the problem seems to be a broken justice system, with touchy-feely judges who want to give these "poor, suffering people" as much of a break as they can.

No matter what they do.

You say "Immigrants who commit crimes can be deported after serving their sentences."

In many cases, that isn't happening.

-- Posted by Brian Mosely on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 2:13 PM

Nathan, it's not as simple as that. For years, our need for immigrants has outstripped the supply due to outdated quotas largely established in 1965. There's a reason 12 million illegal immigrants were able to find jobs while employment is near full employment levels.

Most of the illegal immigrants here today could not have obtained a visa had they applied (some did) because our system is so restrictive and heavily favoring families of citizens and highly skilled professionals. Since 1965:

1. We threw out laws banning abortion.

2. Demographically the native born U.S. population adds 0.2% new workers each year, while our workforce grows 1.2%.

3. High school and college graduation rates have climbed, resulting in fewer Americans willing to work at jobs illegal immigrants typically do.

4. Economic conditions have declined in Latin America, causing more unemployment.

5. Our population grew more than 50% but the 1965 quotas are largely unchanged. For example, the quota for legal immigrants is less than one million, about 1/3% of our population.

Improving enforcement is only part of the solution. As long as our need for low skilled workers outstrips the supply, we will need more immigrants or guest workers.

IMHO do both: much stricter enforcement, particularly in the workplace, while reforming our laws to improve the ability of companies to fill their needs with legal immigrants or guest workers. Our system is out of whack with our needs, but the hysteria promoted by xenophobes and negative stereotypes about immigrants is making it difficult to find a solution that benefits everyone.

-- Posted by Watchman on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 2:23 PM

Brian, do the math. 6.4% of our state and federal prison population are non-citizens, which includes all immigration statuses. However, 10% of our population are non-citizens.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pji...

You're more likely to find a U.S. citizen in prison than a non-citizen! One can always find anecdotal evidence that some member of a large group is a demon, but one must rely on credible statistics to get past the emotion and disinformation from people who dislike or even hate the subject group.

-- Posted by Watchman on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 2:29 PM

I don't think anyone has said they dislike or hate anyone. Just the actions of some people.

I should hope that you are more likely to find an American citizen in our jails. They are OUR jails.

How do people from France take up citizenship here? Through the proper channels. People from Japan? The proper channels. There are no special exceptions for those people.

-- Posted by sambntn on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 2:58 PM

The five reasons you have stated in favor of immigration and guest worker programs in this country are valid Watchman. I agree with all of them. That does not mean that we should just allow 12 million people that have entered this country illegally to remain here. They broke the law and should be forced to leave and come back the right way. If we reward those that broke the law with amnesty or citizenship then more will choose the illegal path instead of the legal one.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 3:03 PM

It's funny how the U.S.A has soldiers in country's where they are not wanted at all, and those countries want them OUT NOW.... And we have 12 million or so illegal immigrants here and we want them out as well.

I know there is a difference between military and civilian occupation, but in all honesty the similarities are obvious. There are plenty of countries and places where Americans are not wanted, but since we feel it is our obligation to take care of an entire NATION (Iraq), we forget there are people in this very country hoping we'll pay for them to live as well.

It makes no sense that we are in other countries, spending BILLIONS to generate electricity, pay Iraqi soldiers, provide water, build public facilities etc. All at the same time, we have people coming to the GREAT U.S.A. wanting a new life as well.

I'm in no way suggesting I think illegal immigrants need rights, or deserve rights, but I also think it's a complete contradiction to pretend those are the only people in countries that they don't belong in.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 8:03 PM

Ok, Darrick, how many of the Iraqi people have you polled asking whether or not they want the United States soldiers in their country? You seem to be an expert on this particular topic, so please enlighten us with your wisdom. Also, exactly which countries are we in that we're not wanted? I'm not referring to the people of these countries, I mean the ruling government. I can tell you that there is ONLY ONE country on the face of the earth in which United States has service members stationed where the ruling government does NOT want them. That would be Cuba. The reason that we are still there is because the treaty with Cuba stated that as long as one of the two countries wanted the U.S. to be there, we would be. If you're going to continue bringing this particular topic up, please get your facts straight.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 8:21 PM

In various posts, I keep seeing the figure of 12 million illegal immigrants. Just how does a country deport this many people and at who's cost?

-- Posted by Jaiare on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 8:28 PM

Thom... How many have you polled in Iraq?

I formed my opinions through discussing it with veterans of the Iraq war and those who will be going back. I didn't get that opinion from some left wing news agency. There are plenty of countries that don't want or even need us there, but they're scared to death to say so.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 9:44 PM

Darrick, you're the one that stated "It's funny how the U.S.A has soldiers in country's where they are not wanted at all". To me, that indicates that you know that all of these people do not want American soldiers there. I'm just assuming that you were referring to Iraq when you made this statement since you mentioned it later. Unless you meant "countries", thereby insinuating that there are numerous countries that we're "occupying" without the consent of the local government. If that's the case, I'd like to know which ones you're referring to. I've had many discussions with veterans of Iraq, both Desert Storm and the current situation there. I have found that relatively few of our soldiers think we had no reason to go in there to begin with and even fewer think we should just pull out "NOW" as you put it. I'll concede that we need an exit strategy for that situation, but to simply pull out all at once would simply be irresponsible. Regardless of our reason for going in there, if we were to pull out immediately we would cause such instability in that region that Iran would be able to simply walk into Iraq and absorb it into its borders.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:00 PM

The U.S. empire has now extended its tentacles to 159 regions of the world: 144 countries and 15 territories...

This means that the U.S. military has troops in over 70 percent of the world's countries...

Is there really any reason why the United States still has 64,319 troops in Germany, 33,453 troops in Japan, and 10,449 troops in Italy -- sixty years after World War II? And what are we doing with 1,521 troops in Spain, 414 troops in Honduras, and 347 troops in Australia? And why do we have 31 soldiers in Cote D'Ivoire? Cote D'What? Cote D'Where? How many Americans can locate Cote D'Ivoire on a map or have ever heard of it? How many even care? (For the record, Cote D'Ivoire is next to Burkina Faso.)

Instead of proclaiming liberty, it proclaims imperialism, interventionism, militarism, and jingoism -- all with devastating consequences for those countries that dare to question American hegemony.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:03 PM

Iran is the reason we sold the WMDs to Iraq, then we accused them of having those weapons amongst other things....

DUH? If we SOLD the Iraqi's nuclear weapons then of course they would have some, even though there were hardly any found that could have or would have been used. I respect your thoughts and facts that you present, but that region was made unstable when we entered it.

The fact is we were lied to as to why we are there, we still can't figure out what we're doing there, top officials who were behind Bush for the war are now completely opposed. "Fool me once, shame on you, food me twice shame on me.."- George Bush couldn't even say that right, but he should take his own failed quote to heart.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:08 PM

Thom I respect your thoughts, I do... So I am going to leave this alone, because the blog is getting off topic.

I just brought up the points, that we are in 70% of the world's countries, and we complain because there are a few in ours...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:10 PM

You forgot to mention those poor penguins that we're oppressing in Antarctica. But that's ok, I'm still waiting for an answer as to exactly which of these countries you mentioned, do NOT want our forces there. We have numerous bases ALL OVER THE WORLD through agreements with the local governments. The reasons for these bases vary, but for the most part it's due to the strategic locations of each. The cold war isn't long dead, you know. That alone would account for the majority of our bases in and around Europe and our bases in Japan most likely have more to do with Communist China than Japan's role in WWII.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the United States of America go back to being isolationist. We would be able to save so much money in our budget that we dole out (in the name of aid) to these other countries that decry our "imperialism".

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:25 PM

Darrick, you're right we are off topic.

Brian, et al, I apologize for getting off topic in this blog. I will be starting an entry that deals with the topic that we've meandered off onto.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:29 PM

Me too... I am most certain there isn't an official published list of the countries that don't want us there... No country really wants to belong on that list, but just look at how the United States has shunned the United Nations, time and time again. That in itself, is reason for not being wanted there.

We are needed in a lot of countries (Darfur, to name one), we just seem to not be in the one's where we are needed, and in the one's that we have caused major devestation.. It wouldn't cost us so much, if we didn't blow up half the country and then rebuild it.. We should try diplomacy every now and then.

ANYWAYS, thanks for the chat.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:30 PM

Brian, I do like your blog... It gives yet another opinion of such a controversial issue...

Love your linkage happy blogs...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:31 PM

first of all let me say in no way am i sterotyping hispanics. If you haven't check the shelbyville news there was a rape here last night. The person to my knowledge hasn't been caught but was identified as being hispanic. Now we all know that rapes are sadly committed by all ethnics groups, but has anybody noticed that this definitely appears to happening quite frequently by hispanics, and most of these guys are here illegally. If our government enforced the laws that are already on the books a lot of rapes would have never taken place.

-- Posted by slingshot on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:34 PM

Honestly, I think you could start a blog on the how nice the weather is starting to become and Darrick would find a way to bring Iraq and the government into it. For just ONCE, is it too much to ask that we stay on topic? Yes I know it's a dream, perhaps I have drank too much glue today with my milk.

-- Posted by James48 on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 10:58 PM

Wow, did this thread get off topic or what?

-- Posted by Brian Mosely on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 8:12 AM

Actually it was right on topic. I tried to emphasize how we are in LOTS of countries, not just Iraq... So I thought it was a little hypocritical to be whining about people being here, unwelcomed, when there is a U.S. presence in 70% of all countries. I just used Iraq as an example, since it is the most recent.

I apologized for getting into the specifics, thank you. But it was only brought up to prove that we are in countries that we don't belong in too, hispanics aren't the only ones.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 8:49 AM

As for the milk and glue comment, you're as much obsessed with what I have to say as you think I am on getting off topic, so get over yourself.

If I am always off topic, stop reading what I type...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 8:52 AM

What you fail to see Darrick is that we are over their on military bases, we are not there ILLEGALLY draining the resources of their country. We are not over there breaking numerous laws over and over again. Most countries do want us there, we have been in some of these countries for decades. Have you recently spoken to each and every president and or leader of each country we are in, since you seem to be an expert on what each country wants.

and the comment on the milk, how could I not read it, you dominate almost every blog there is, you can't miss them.

This was about illegals in America, not legals in America. Once again, our troops are in those other countries LEGALLY.

-- Posted by James48 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 10:10 AM

I believe that if illegals can come over here and use fake names, fake ids, fake social security cards; then the government needs to start running a very thorough check with each hispanic name. Now, although some see that as racist against hispanics, it is our country, and there are too many illegal immigrants that continue to come over on a daily basis. Each county in tennessee is already beginning to see more and more hispanics. If they wouldn't break the law, and if they would come over here legally and respectfully, there wouldn't be a problem. We cannot continue to allow illegal immigrants to come over here and drain our government of aid that is handed out to much of the needy people.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 11:38 AM

I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here...

Let's say Tennessee was it's own little country. In this country of TN, there are two types of people. The REALLY wealthy (which makes up only 1% of the popuation) and the REALLY poor. I for one, believe that if this were the case, I would be in the poor section. I can't feed my family and the living conditions are just horrible.

Then, I catch wind that in Wyoming everyone has an equal chance to be something. There are numerous jobs and I can make as much money as I'm willing to work for. I will be able to feed my family and hopefully have money left over to send home to my mother who couldn't make the trip. The only thing is that Wyoming says they don't want me and if I go, I'll have to lie about where I really belong.

What will I do? Feed my family or lie to Wyoming?

That I think is an easy answer. However, everyone in TN is going to Wyoming. Drunks, theives, everybody. Now, not only am I a liar to the Wyomians (??) I'm also a drunk, a thief...a criminal. Even though I'm not a citizen of Wyoming, I'm also not a criminal. But all I really care about is feeding my family and getting my mom her meds.

I do believe that EVERYONE should pay taxes and EVERYONE should be on their best behavior.

I consider myself lucky to have been born in America.

-- Posted by saveit on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 4:04 PM

very well put saveit. I completely agree with you.

-- Posted by weezie84 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 4:26 PM

James48, show me the blogs I dominate.. It's been a while!!! Since the early days of Michael's blogs... sir

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 4:47 PM

darrick_04

You dominated this blog and the blog about keeping jobs in America. It went from buying US goods and keeping jobs here to comment after comment about "natural cures and glue in milk" You still haven't answered my questions "Do you eat 100% healthy?" "Do you only take "natural cures" when you have a headache, body aches, colds, the flu,etc?"

You dominated so much that Thom did a blog just about you and your comments to try to get you to move to another blog and talk about your issues.

-- Posted by James48 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 5:07 PM

also Darrick, Also still waiting on the answer to my question "Have you recently spoken to each and every president and or leader of each country we are in, since you seem to be an expert on what each country wants?".

I would like to know which countries where we have bases don't want us there. You seem to know, so please enlighten us all.

-- Posted by James48 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 5:09 PM

I rarely ever take cold/flu medicines, drink diet or eat diet foods, in fact this Tuesday I was so sick I could have thrown up, and instead I went to bed when I got home, and slept the headache away. People who pop a pill for every single ailment will be the very ones dying of cancer because your body can only take so much...

I don't eat 100% naturally b/c I can't afford to which is ridiculously SAD!!! And in the United States nothing is really organic, in Superstores.. To be labeled "organic" by the USDA it only has to be 95% organic, which means the other 5% of such foods could be loaded with harmful things and deadly pesticides. I wished I could eat everything that was grown all naturally. The truth is, I can't... All I was doing is, enlightening people on the possible harm in overconsumption of man made foods, grown in labs, instead of on earth. Genetically modified organisms is a HUGE source of food in America. Food wasn't meant to be genetically modified, or grown in a factory..

Oh that's funny my 9 comments out of 34... They were in response to people, just like you are responding to me, that isn't domination, that is dialogue.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 5:14 PM

As for entire COUNTRIES wanting our soldiers there, and their representative governments wanting us there, that is totally different... Nuff said.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Aug 30, 2007, at 5:15 PM

That was very cute saveit..

But the other side of this twist is:

I am living in Wyoming I have a job that I have been employed at for 20 years then all of a sudden without warning my company starts laying off people who have been employed for years and are faithful, honest employees. I find out my job and the jobs of my co-workers have been outsourced because of people coming from Tennessee are willing to work for half the pay we are receiving. My roads in Wyoming are in need of being repaired but these 1000's of people from Tennessee do not pay taxes so our funds are running extremely low in our tax department. So our government needs to raise taxes or make new taxes for our road repair. They decide they will tax us through our cars making a wheel tax for everyone who drives. This may be a great idea but these people from Tennessee are not here legally and don't have cars or drivers license. So even though we are the ones who are standing in the unemployment line and the Tennesseans are the ones working. We are the ones taxed because we are here legally. Plus these people from Tennessee are bringing their wives and girlfriends into Wyoming and having children in Wyoming making their children legal then My taxes pay for their schools, medical, food and housing. On top of everything else, these people from Tennessee refuse to speak our language and expect us to try and communicate with them. Even though I am here legally, I have lost my job to an illegal, who pays no taxes and expects my country to give them a free ride and change my way of life to suit their needs.

I too am Proud to be an American..but that does not mean any American should suffer so an illegal can have a better life.

And the only way EVERYONE will ever pay taxes is if EVERYONE is here legally.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 1:26 AM

Good point and I agree with you on taxes. I am not opposed to granting citizenship to the immigrants that are here.

My ancestors came over many years ago from somewhere due to oppression and/or just looking for a better life. We were just blessed enough that it happened 200 or so years ago.

I've also been blessed enough that I haven't been put in a situation where I needed to move away to feed my family.

I've posted in another blog that I used to work for a place that was so HOT and so dirty that it was hard to find Americans to work there. I wonder just how many people here have honestly been displaced because an illegal immigrant was given a job??

-- Posted by saveit on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:58 AM

I like your thinking Diana. Good points.

And as for illegal immigrants taking the jobs of citizens....someone was doing that job before they got here. Someone will do it again. Someone legal.

-- Posted by sambntn on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 8:19 AM

No they won't... I wouldn't do most of the jobs they do. Because I love the air conditioned office, with all the amenities available... A computer to my left a cell phone to my right and a world of information all around me.

I sure don't wanna scoop up horse poop or build/brick a house. And I most certainly don't wanna kill chickens and clean them out so the rest of the world can enjoy that wonderful chicken sandwich, or chicken strip dinner.

After all, I though you said video games and such are "half the reason kids are fat and lazy... I call them like I see em"... Which one of those fat and lazy overly stuffed with technology and cyberworld kids or any other LEGAL human being is going to want to 'mow the lawn' or do any of those 'REAL' jobs?

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM

jesuslovesevery1 Honey are you being sarcastic? It's so hard to tell, I can't hear your tone of voice from here.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 1, 2007, at 12:04 AM

No, I was being very sincere...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, Sep 1, 2007, at 5:48 PM

.Oh ok.. Then, No I don't agree with you, even though I would not personally do the jobs many Illegals are doing, there are many Americans that were and would still do those jobs. I have a guy that cuts my yard he does this for a living, he's not illegal. I know a lot of people who worked for Tyson Foods for years and were laid off for petty reasons, even after being there for years. They were replaced by immigrants. Every job that an illegal immigrant holds was done by an American until the company hiring decided they could pay illegals less money than they were paying Americans. Thus saving the companies a lot of money in wages but have you the consumer seen any of these cuts on their products, No and you won't. It's all extra money big business puts in their pockets.

I know a guy who owns his construction business and he told me the illegals are about to put him out of business because he refuses to hire illegals, other construction companies are hiring illegals for a flat rate day pay..he said he was not going to reduce his employees to that type of standard, they are skilled laborers.

So not only are Americans losing out on their income but still paying the price at the grocery store and still paying the same price for a poorly built house as you would one built by professionals.

Saveit

I do not agree with just handing the illegals that are here citizenship either. That would be rewarding them for doing something illegal. Do you think that would be fair to the 1000's of immigrants who have come through the correct process? I don't think it would, they need to be sent back home and come through the proper channels if they wish to stay in America.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 1, 2007, at 9:14 PM

Well If AMERICANS were so concerned about such companies like Tyson and illegals building their houses, then perhaps they should hit them where it hurst, in the wallet or purse.

I am not saying illegals should be given rights, or even special treatment, but it is AMERICANS who give them jobs, and AMERICANS who buy their by products...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, Sep 1, 2007, at 9:23 PM

When I buy a new home..it is very rare that I know who actually built my new home, unless I am having the house built myself. Most people who live outside where there is a Tyson foods have no idea they hire illegals.

So how are Americans to know which companies hire illegals and which ones don't? I am sure the companies aren't going to announce they hire illegals.

I bet we would all be surprised at the companies who hire illegals.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 1, 2007, at 9:37 PM

Yes, I am very certain a majority of companies (especially locally owned small businesses) employ illegals to do their dirty work.

I can almost guarantee you, the next time you enjoy a nice dinner at any of the numerous Mexican Restaurants in Shelbyville, you can thank an illegal or two!

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sun, Sep 2, 2007, at 3:47 PM


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