Burning our food for fuel

Posted Thursday, April 17, 2008, at 8:53 AM
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  • Well, I think we can all thank Al Gore. After all, he won a prize for alerting us to the dangers of using fossil fuels. He preached and sang the virtues of creating a fuel source that didn't emit carbon dioxide. Did someone forget to tell Al that EVERYTHING that burns gives off carbon dioxide? Anyway, I could go on my anti-Al spill for several pages...

    We have been watching grain prices rise and rise as we feed our horses. We will be selling two of them this weekend.

    Here's a site

    http://www.greenpeace.org/international/...

    I realize its Greenpeace and there's some bias, but the facts are facts. We have really got to start educating ourselves and not listen to the rant of a politician who has all of a sudden proclaimed himself scientist. (Does that mean I can become a politician?) He has used political scare tactics to convince people (world leaders) who have no real information on atmospheric conditions to follow him like some sort of savior of the world.

    Now the world is paying with the lives of children and adults it cannot afford to feed in the name of 'saving the earth".

    I think we should tread lightly on earth. To me, that means I don't waste and consume products with wild abandon just because I can. I use what I need and little more. I don't squeeze an extra quarter from my fellow man because I want to stockpile money.

    -- Posted by Jacks4me on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 12:00 PM
  • I confess,I'm very guilty of indulging in the behavior that creates the evil stereotypes.

    I ride more than I walk.

    I eat more meat than fruits and vegetables.

    I buy more "imported" stuff than I do things created and sold locally.

    I don't always renew,reuse or recycle.

    Should I return to the lifestyle my parents had (with few of the modern day "improvements),I bet I would be healthier,wealthier and more able to face the world for having given as much to the world as I took.

    I'm sure my ancestors are glad that their courage and wisdom enables me to have comforts and conveniences they never dreamed of.

    I'm sure they're happy that I never had to do without sugar,coffee,beef or chocolate.

    But,I think they'd wonder why my generation takes things as daily entitlements that they viewed as treats (even when we damage ourselves in the process).

    -- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 1:52 PM
  • By making ethanol out of corn, they have driven up the price of a hugh amount of food in more ways than one. The price of corn is driving the price of cattle down while the price of fuel, hay and fertlizer have gone thru the roof. This will force farmer to reduce their herds, which might make the price of beef to go down, but when the supply goes down, then prices will soar.

    When looking at beef prices in the store, I have yet to see a drop at the retail level.

    -- Posted by Gale Barber on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 6:17 PM
  • What can we do as by standers, other than cutting back on what we buy and consume. Is there any way to fight our government? How do we go about letting the BIG BOYS know that we are ****** at the way the world is going.Please don't say we have to elect someone who cares.I thank God everyday that Al Gore did not get elected. Do we write letters, What? Anyone got any ideas to get it started?

    -- Posted by redcat00 on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 6:35 PM
  • Well, let's see... "Big Oil" tells us all kinds of things that are wrong with using ethanol. Agriculturists and NatureLovers keep reminding us that the oil in the earth is continuously being depleted, therefore raising the price due to supply and demand futures. Hmmmm... how's that song go? Will the circle... be unbroken?

    I think we're gonna be hearing these songs until the end of time. All in the name of greed.

    -- Posted by craftin_mom on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 6:44 PM
  • We are in a lose/lose situation, on one side we have "big oil" lying and stealing from us, then on the other hand we have "big government" doing the same thing. Both are robbing us blind and pointing the finger at the other with us stuck in the middle. I have to pay extreme prices for gas, then when I finally have a hold on that I get to pay extreme prices on feed for my horses. I cant understand the mandate on ethanol, because it didnt affect gas prices, it just helped pave the way down into a complete depression by driving some more prices up.

    -- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 8:29 PM
  • Maybe we better work to find a practical,

    clean,low-cost,inedible fuel.

    Are solar-powered hydrogen cell cars or that ilk anywhere near ready?

    Making ourselves less dependent on cars wouldn't hurt,either.

    -- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, Apr 17, 2008, at 11:15 PM
  • I thought that if you used ethanol in your car..truck..or what ever that you do not get good mileage from it...So if we use that and it will cost us less but we will not get as many miles on it then I would rather use regular gas and use the corn like we have always used it..To feed and to eat....I may be wrong.. but that is how i feel about it..

    -- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Apr 18, 2008, at 10:49 AM
  • Wow. So many inaccuracies in this article, but I'll try to focus on the main fallacy: your "statistics" regarding corn ethanol.

    Check out this link (scroll down to the chart food vs. fuel) that proves that corn production has risen at a faster rate than ethanol production. For those of you that do not care to follow the link, I'll sum it up: we have more corn (for food!) now that we had 6 years ago. There is no shortage.

    http://www.setamericafree.org/wordpress

    What is the real reason food prices are rising globally? Fuel Prices (transportation costs are at an all time high) and Demand (rising middle class in developing nations are importing more food).

    If you are ready to stop blaming Al Gore and start doing something about food and farmers, start by visiting the co-op that this paper featured in today's article, "Local Couple Supplies Organic Veggies" Your support of local agriculture helps your community and your world. Better yet, grow a garden this summer.

    -- Posted by mom23 on Fri, Apr 18, 2008, at 2:15 PM
  • I always grow a garden evey year...But alot of things have come up in my life this year and I have nothing started...But I can always start a late one....With the good lord willing I will get it in this year..Even if it is late..

    -- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Apr 18, 2008, at 8:24 PM
  • Last year a 50# bag of corn was $3.10. It was $7.00 Saturday.

    I really hope the technology.incentive for switchgrass ethanol production kicks into gear soon. It takes almost as much energy to harvest corn as it produces in ethanol. It's insane for people to starve for lack of money when the planet has so much food.

    -- Posted by Jacks4me on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:37 AM
  • This looks like good news if it pans out. I suggest using lawn trimmings and kudzu, which we have no shortage of.

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?...

    -- Posted by Brian Mosely on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 11:03 AM
  • Al Gore may be right or wrong but what he has done is draw attention to an issue that is very critical any way you look at it. Global warming has the potential to cause devastation to our coastlines and to alter weather patterns creating deserts in areas that are now fertile. Fossil fuels are a finite resource that will be depleted at some point in the future. We as stewards of the earth must start looking ahead to develop alternative fuel sources. Maybe corn based ethanol is not the answer, but it doesn't mean we can't keep seeking better sources of fuel.

    Burning fossil fuels not only puts carbon dioxide into our air, it also puts other pollutants that are hazardous to human health. Fossil fuel emissions contribute nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, heavy metals, carbonic and nitric acids just to name a few. These compounds are detrimental to both plants and animals and contribute to significant health problems in our population.

    -- Posted by volfanatic on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 1:58 PM
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