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An unfortunately familiar situation

Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008, at 10:39 AM

I was really debating whether or not to blog about this, but there are so many similarities concerning our local situation and stories concerning Shelbyville's refugee community and what is happening here, that I feel it warrants some discussion.

Also, there is a twist in this tale that makes it nearly impossible to attribute this mess to racism. Cultural differences, yes. But not race.

The small barren courtyard that separates the apartment buildings of Dwan Dillard and Mohamed Adin in Northwest Roanoke might as well be an ocean, so deep is the dislike that the American-born black woman and the Somali Bantu refugee have of each other.

"That out there is a war zone," said Dillard, whose four children live with her at Maple Grove Apartments, a blighted complex of four buildings with a total of 40 units on Pilot Street near Melrose Avenue. "The African children attack ours. They throw rocks."

Adin, who lives with his wife and nine children, blames "the Americans." Through an interpreter he said, "Day and night they throw rocks at our building. They yell at us. We are afraid. This isn't what we came to this country for."

Graffiti on the Maple Grove Apartments street sign read "Americans only," and "Africans not welcome."

Read the whole story. Some of our readers have posted on our website in regards to an extremely similar situation here, and this is the only reason I'm bringing this to your attention. Quite frankly, given some of the comments expressed on this website about my Somali series and other things I've been told off the record, I'm really worried we could be headed in this direction. We really need to be thinking about this and the impression it could be giving others about Shelbyville and this county. So, let's keep the discussion civil.


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Brian,

Many of my responses to the Tyson lobor situation have been pretty harsh. Well I would just like to share with you my personal perspective. I have completed my second OIF tour and in 3 years will have completed 20 years of service to the Army/Navy. Prior to entering the Army I was a dedicated Tyson man right there in Shelbyville and proud of the work I did there. This is a real stab in the heart for me and other Bedford County servicemen on active duty.

Once retired and back in Bedford County, I wanted to resume my work at Tysons. I worked at the plant immediatly following High School and interned there while in College. Many of the Tyson management have been very good mentors to me and taught me much of my work ethics that I have now. However, with the recent events concernig the Somolies refugees, I just don't know how to feel about any of those folks anymore.

It's NOT bigotry, I just think some VERY BAD decisions are being made right there at home. I would really appreciate your support on this. Thank you in advance.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Sun, Aug 10, 2008, at 10:00 PM

Brian,

Many of my responses to the Tyson lobor situation have been pretty harsh. Well I would just like to share with you my personal perspective. I have completed my second OIF tour and in 3 years will have completed 20 years of service to the Army/Navy. Prior to entering the Army I was a dedicated Tyson man right there in Shelbyville and proud of the work I did there. This is a real stab in the heart for me and other Bedford County servicemen on active duty.

Once retired and back in Bedford County, I wanted to resume my work at Tysons. I worked at the plant immediatly following High School and interned there while in College. Many of the Tyson management have been very good mentors to me and taught me much of my work ethics that I have now. However, with the recent events concernig the Somolies refugees, I just don't know how to feel about any of those folks anymore.

It's NOT bigotry, I just think some VERY BAD decisions are being made right there at home. I would really appreciate your support on this. Thank you in advance.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Sun, Aug 10, 2008, at 9:59 PM

We do have to be concerned about an ideology and what it demands of its adherents but we also have to remember that few belief systems are designed exclusively for bad behavior and those seldom last.

Most patterns of living come about by people wanting something better than what they have.

They promote ideas that would make life richer,fairer and more comfortable.

They seek to eliminate problems rather than people.

Unfortunately,we are a flawed species so we drift into using whatever system prevails as a tool for our own worst habits.

It is not so much that a political,economic or religious system is bad as that bad actions are performed in their context.

A good person will seek out groups that fit with his principles but he will do the right thing even in a dysfunctional setting and attempt to justify his action by the rules of the group.

He can even change the group from within by influencing it with his integrity so that any bad parts of the group are diminished and obscured.

The result can be a complete reversal of the group's standards.

Evil people can do the same.

They can belong to an organization that is dedicated to true and positive things and corrupt them with cruelty and selfishness until they have no legacy but fear,spite,greed and madness.

Most of us give lip service to our groups,accept a nominal role in whatever's available and never ask "what does this group stand for and am I ready to support it?"

We leave it up to the doers to determine what shape these associations take and either follow their lead or drop out.

We need to stop seeing the group as responsible for the behavior (especially when membership is involuntary as in race,age,country of origin or sex) and look at the individual.

It is the individual who is accountable for his own actions plus what he condones in the actions of others.

He can either bring decay to groups with the most divine origins and the noblest intentions or he can take the absurd or malicious and draw forth reason and righteousness.

The individual counts not just for what he does but for what he refuses to do.

As the saying goes,"If you're not part of the solution,you're part of the problem."

When we let the lazy,craven,mean-spirited and cruel define a group,we help to stifle any good within it and we insure that no right-thinking person would be a part of it.

We leave it to recruit from the worst elements and to encourage the circumstances that create its members.

When we promote good health,liberty,critical thinking and generosity of spirit,we are not only improving our own lives and giving ourselves a good image,we are creating populations capable of making intelligent choices with their lives and insuring that they have the freedom to do so.

The Muslim terrorist is no more a given than the greedy Jew or the Christian despot.

Whites have no more claim on venality than blacks have on violence or Asians have on the insidious evils laid at the door of the "Yellow Peril".

Men are not driven to be destructive nor are women designed to be corrupters and manipulators.

Those of us in the United States can be the "Ugly American" who exploits and disparages other people or we can be leaders,innovators and protectors.

We,as individuals,decide whether we will fulfill the best expectations of our groups or the worst.

Each person,one by one,must decide whether he will affiliate with the best people and ideas or the most calamitous.

When we see someone acting badly,we need to respect them enough to insist that they do better instead of assuming that they can't behave appropriately because they belong to a certain group.

When we see someone behave with kindness,wisdom,honor and courage,we need to commend them for being a credit to their race-the human race.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM

No it's NOT race, it's something much more as evidenced by the following:

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In it's fullest

form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and

military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a

country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse

societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic

minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in

proportion to their percentage of the population. For e xample, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase

pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- Muslim 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic

terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of

non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100%

states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris,

'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with

well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even

associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's

population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians,

Hindus, Buddists, and Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and

Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

-- Posted by puppydinks on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 1:11 PM

I love my Indian friends at the Wartrce store . . . they are always so nice and especially the young guy who worked there at one time. He us to call me buddy all the time and he would always carry a conversation with me but he left to go to college in Pennsylvania but I still miss him!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Apr 25, 2008, at 2:59 PM

jakespike...did you ever call the police?...Did they really do drugs in the hall? I was told by someone that they had to close some of the units in Davis Estates becuase the bed bugs were so bad there..Have you heard anything about that?..I understand why everyone feels the way they do..I too have runned into many rudes ones..But I did have to tell about the nice lady yesterday at the DMV..

-- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Apr 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Yesterday I went to get my drivers licence's. I have not had them for 10 years because I have had 3 mini strokes and the doctor felt I should not be out driving..Well I was given the clear to drive again..Any way there was a Somali lady there getting her driver licence's and she spoke very good engish and she seemed so very nice..She got her licences and before leaving she came back in and Thanked them all...Here in Wartrace a Indian couple bought our local little store..We worried about it at 1st. But i must say they are very nice people and they work very hard and they keep the store very clean and nice...In everyone white.black,or what ever we have our good ones and our bad ones..If children are treating these other children bad it is because they must have seen their mom or dad or some other adult doing it. Our children learn from us...No child should be treated wrong or scared because they have to be here if their mom and dad's are here..it is not their fault...We need to stand back and look at the whole picture...If I moved to another country I would not want to be treated wrong and I sure would not want my children to be treated wrong....Like I said there are good ones in us all and there are bad ones in us all..No matter what color they are....

-- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Apr 25, 2008, at 1:35 PM

Why does our community have to be the one to take these refugees, I know they need a place to go, but dont we have enough immigrant problems now to deal with. I am truly sorry for their situation, but why does our community have to become a third world country. I hope I dont sound racist or mean, because Im not. Alot of people in this county feel the exact same way. We dont want to be mean, but they are wearing out their welcome, and race doesnt have anything to do with it (for the most part).

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Apr 25, 2008, at 12:10 AM

I can honestly say that any problems that I had while living at Davis estates were always initiated by the Somalis. At first, I tried to resolve the any situation by going to the apartment management but they eventually quit doing anything so I would have to confront them myself. It was not my fault that they would run in and out of the hallways at all times of the night yelling and waking other residents up and losing sleep nor was it my fault that I had hideous smells start coming through the door from their apartments or the various nicks I received on my car from them parking beside of me and not paying attention to what they were doing. It is also not my fault they continued to get drunk or do drugs in the hallway or the parking lot and start arguments with each other.

Yet somehow, when I complain about these kinds of issues it is always the same story . . . I am not being sensitive to their culture or what they have experienced. I figure when I ask nicely to please be quite at 2 AM so I can sleep or not to hit my car then I am being civil but what happens when being civil accomplishes nothing. In my case, I decided to move because I was paying far too much money to be living in third world conditions.

It gets to a point though where they need to be held accountable for THEIR actions and start respecting other people. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! I have never had a problem with any of the Hispanic or Indian people that live here and I try to be friendly to all but I can only go so far with the Somalis before they need to start making an attempt too and they don't. I still haven't had anyone explain to me how it is fair that the Somalis forced me to move out of my apartment but yet I am not being sensitive to their needs? I figure moving out would allow me to avoid conflict but what is fair about that? They still continue to do what they please.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 11:51 AM

Brian, I completely agree with your last statement about keeping the discussion civil. I have also thought that given some of the comments on this blog, Shelbyville could be heading down a similar path.

-- Posted by dooshie69 on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM


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