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Teachers deserve more pay

Posted Friday, September 7, 2007, at 11:24 AM

Let's talk teacher pay.

While students are forced to raise funds for the little things that can sometimes make a big difference, Bedford County teacher salaries lag behind those of surrounding counties.

My blog Thursday brought comments from at least one teacher, who comes across as someone whose students are fortunate to be associated with, and a few comments about other teachers. I'd like to think the vast majority of teachers are as dedicated to making a difference.

We hear too often about the bad teachers and way too little about the good ones -- those who leave a lifelong impression on students' lives.

That's why somehow, some way, Bedford County needs to keep teacher salaries as close as possible to those of higher-paying areas with bigger tax bases to our north and northwest. We've already lost too many talented teachers. Those who remain here shouldn't have to sacrifice financially.

And to those who complain that teachers are paid too much and get summers off, reconsider. Think about how intense teaching can sometimes be and the amount of time far beyond an eight-hour day spent by many, if not most, teachers. Don't judge the many good ones by the few lazy or poor ones.

If pro athletes and high-level corporate officials can make millions then certainly classroom teachers, whose jobs of molding minds are as or more important than many jobs, deserve somewhat more than their current salary level. The same goes for other public servants such as law enforcement officers, firefighters, and the like.

I realize teacher pay is taxpayer-funded as opposed to pro sports (well, Nashville taxpayers are paying for the Titans and Predators...) or corporations. But a good start to pay increases could be made by cutting unneeded positions or trimming inflated salaries starting at higher levels of government -- it seems like waves of bureaucrats populate state offices -- on down and reallocating.

Yes, I think teachers should be strongly evaluated regularly and the bad ones weeded out. But the good ones deserve everything they earn and more.


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I know exactly what you was talking about neveragain, but just the same it is a expense. Something that you pay in order to have a job. Isn't when someone works in Nashville and drives from Shelbyville everyday an expense? Teachers and everyone else who works has to eat also so they either buy their meals or bring them from home either way it is an expense, just like health insurance is an expense.

But the good thing about a sitter those expenses are deductible on their taxes....all of them even the food.

Nowhere did I say teachers carried liability insurance but it is a tax deduction also for sitters.

I am not saying by any means babysitters have an easy job, you couldn't pay me enough to make me babysit..I am just saying it doesn't cost 85-95 a week to keep a child for 40 hours a week.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 10:34 PM

It has been dead for a few days, and the third and fourth grade were provided lunch this year by SACP... Thanks

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 10:23 PM

I knew exactly what dianatn meant. And if you take your child to SACP during the summer, they don't feed them lunch. The parent pays extra for lunch or sends their child lunch prepared at home...and that is in addition to the cost of childcare.

Can we all agree to let this topic die a peaceful death please??? :)

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 10:19 PM

Will others please let me know if you think Dianatn thought I was meaning feed the babysitter or feed the children that pay 85-95 dollars a week? Please help! The taxpayers and parents don't pay 8 dollars a week for lunch at the babysitter....

-- Posted by neveragain on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 10:07 PM

I AM SO SORRY! I did not realize the teachers carried liability insurance, and paid to feed the kids from their own income I would not go back to the classroom ever again I know why you are so angry now. Excuse me

-- Posted by neveragain on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 9:58 PM

Thank you for your kind words neveragain but babysitters do make $85-$95 a week per child. If you count their expenses then you must count every other professions expenses (gas to and from work, taxes, meals the list could on here also)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 10:25 AM

I totally agree that teachers deserve more pay! I can't think of many people that don't complain about their wages. I can remember as a child hearing that teachers deserve more pay on a daily basis especially towards the end of the day. Iwant to thank each teacher that took time to make sure I had an education. babysitters don't make 85-95 dollars a child that is what they receive before taxes,lots of insurance,food and I could keep going. May god bless any human being that teaches or takes care of other peoples children. The pay may not be the best but I truly think there is a halo waiting for them in heaven.

-- Posted by neveragain on Sat, Sep 15, 2007, at 11:39 PM

It's ok.. you needed to vent, and this was it for you!

We still appreciate you, and your thoughts... These are blogs, they are for opinions, and I respect yours deeply!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 13, 2007, at 4:42 PM

First, please let me apologize to all for letting my anger get the best of me concerning teachers. It is a very touchy subject for me, I guess because I know what my daughter had to go though in order to become a teacher and know the love she has for her profession and her students. I realize not all teachers are great teachers with a vision to see beyond the small child..but she is and I am so very proud of all her accomplishments. Her pay is not the big issue here, even though it would be great if she made more money or at least had better benefits. But as it has been said, I also think everybody deserves to make more money, even the people working at McDonalds, who never seem to get my burger the way I ordered it :>)

The problem is the general disrespect for teachers not only here but in real life..you truly have no idea what they have to put up with not only from children but parents as well.

I am not saying all parents or all children are like that ..but many are..and when the parents have no respect for the teachers, neither will the child.

I have learned over the past few days I need to stay away from blogs that are close to my heart because sometimes anger overtakes me.

Again, please accept my sincere apologizes it was never my intention to offend anyone here. If I find myself getting that angry again over a blog, I will surely step away.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 10:08 PM

Hey Darrick! Read my statement above and you will know who I am too, 5 kids should tell ya! I also went to Community many yrs. ago I had some really good teachers and some really bad ones too.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 10:39 AM

Hmm, sorry I just got off work... Sorry so late responding, I am not sure who you are... *scratches head* I am seriously thinking!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 8:25 PM

So... $20/hr isn't bad... Diana, I agree that Insurance for teacher's is pretty crazy though.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 8:07 PM

Revolution

Thank you, she is a good teacher whether anyone in here wishes to believe that or not.

But I am afraid it is not my place to post where my daughter teaches on a public blog..if she wishes to post this info she can..but I won't.

And to answer your other question about how she managed school and work and a child..She just wanted it bad enough, I guess.. (although for the life of me I can't figure out why except she loves children and wants to see them succeed in life)

Did we help her with her child?..sure we did..Did we raise her child..No we didn't, she was with her child every waking moment. There are 168 hours in a week..if you use your time wisely there is time enough for anything you want to do, if you want it bad enough. Plus she slept very little (but she still sleeps very little)

Then again she was probably much younger than your mother which could have been a factor also.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 3:35 PM

Payroll deduction for employees portion of Ins. premiums, Dr. co-pays, prescription co-pays, no deductable in network!

At any rate your daughter must have another option if shes not carrying the Ins. offered by the school. A couple of trips to the Dr. and medication can add up to more than 400.00 in a month or less. Heaven forbid a major illness!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 12:20 PM

So you work for the Board Of Education?

And Co-pay does have everything to do with how much is taken out of your check. Some companies pay 100% of insurance cost and then again some companies only pay 50% of the cost of insurance. Wouldn't you think that the ones paying only 50% of the insurance cost would cost the employees more for insurance even though they have the same insurance company.

Which is co-pay meaning you the employee pay part and your employer pays part.

Some insurance companies also have co-pays at the doctors (HMO's) like mine I pay part of my insurance cost thru my check with a co-pay..then have another co-pay when I go to the doctor. (which is my deductible)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 11:34 AM

Copays have nothing to do with monthly insurance taken out of your check either!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 11:04 AM

Same employer....just not a teacher!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 11:01 AM

I have the same insurance that teachers in Tennessee are offered. Mine covers myself, husband, and 5 children. Cost me less than 300.00 per month. Thats medical, dental, vision, disability, and life Ins. for all of us!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 9:34 AM

Well good for you..but just because your employer pays a larger percent of the copay does not mean Bedford County does for teachers.

And it does not cost any more if you have 1 child or 20 children the family plan is the same for all!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 10:58 AM

Guess everyone missed it in the Tennessean when all you had to do is type in a name and it would show your salary if you are a state or government employee... I also understand it will be published again.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 10:42 AM

Hey Darrick! Read my statement above and you will know who I am too, 5 kids should tell ya! I also went to Community many yrs. ago I had some really good teachers and some really bad ones too. The one thing allot of teachers don't understand is the fact that YOU can either MAKE or BREAK a student. I recall hearing a teacher tell a student he was an idiot! Now if you hear this from a teacher and then possibly go home and be degraded by a parent as well, what kind of self esteem will this child have? Was that teacher doing her job to the best of her ability?

I commend the good ones (give them a FAT raise) and the bad ones should work at the state prison or something!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 10:39 AM

She does not carry the school insurance because for herself and her child it would cost her over $400.00 a month.

I have the same insurance that teachers in Tennessee are offered. Mine covers myself, husband, and 5 children. Cost me less than 300.00 per month. Thats medical, dental, vision, disability, and life Ins. for all of us!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 9:34 AM

And they won't be hurting in their retirement years either, if they can take it for that long.....JMO

-- Posted by countrymom on Wed, Sep 12, 2007, at 5:22 AM

Thanks David, we realize you started this, because it is your blog.

Good to hear from you though. I think teacher's deserve to be nicely, and $20/hr isn't bad.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 11:20 PM

Hmmm...Looks like it's time for me to chime in.

Teachers' wages should be higher based on the importance of their work.

Seems like too much emphasis is being based on number of (or lack of) hours worked rather than the results of those working hours: better educated people.

Why should teaching be considered less worthy, or less important, than other occupations?

I also received an e-mail today from a teacher who didn't want me to write anything else about this, saying people were claiming "teachers are complaining about their pay."

So let's make it clear I started this, not a teacher, simply because I have a lot of respect for good teachers.

Interesting arguments from all sides, too. Those of you who have presented opposing arguments well were obviously well-taught at some point in your past.

-- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 10:53 PM

Oh, and it's funny how NOBODY can dispute that STARTING teachers in TN, make $20/hr.

That is a VERY NICE salary and teacher's most definitely deserve it. But apparently it isn't good enough for some people.

That is more than double what I make, and I don't complain one bit. They are in a more demanding occupation.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 10:43 PM

Then you ought to be next you seem to be a pretty darn good whiner

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:35 PM

Awe, you really think so? It's funny how we agree on nearly every single issue except this one, and you call me a whiner. I didn't have that title until I decided differently on one issue than you.

BTW:Is it me, or did you say you were done with these blogs? Thought so.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 10:41 PM

I observed one of my friends' who is a teacher last Fri. at the first home football game. She was there from 7:30 am till 10:15 pm. She has children with various practice/game times. She just stays after school. There is plenty for her to do.

In a way, she is lucky that her children can play sports and do 4-H and what have you. Some 8-5 (or worse) working folks' children can't do that.

She drives a lousy, beat up car, but yet her children have a TN Walking Horse and "show cattle".

I still think teachers need more pay because of all the half-@ss parents and the problems of those said children.

-- Posted by mmp84 on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 9:57 PM

Seems to me that 20 dollars an hour is ALOT more than minimum wage, don't ya think? and even if they work 10 hour days, that is still 17 an hour. That's pretty good for the amount of days that they work.

-- Posted by dc_0725 on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:50 PM

Then you ought to be next you seem to be a pretty darn good whiner

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:35 PM

Whoever whines the most.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:31 PM

Wow! You folks in Bedford County sure have bad teachers or maybe you just need to come out of the holler and join the rest of the world where people get a trade so they can earn more than minimum wage. Who will you pick on next?

-- Posted by educated hillbilly on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:26 PM

Just so this doesn't get lost in the numerous posts...

NEENA'S POST:

"Degree Level 0 yrs exp Teaching Salary 8 yrs exp Teaching Salary 15 yrs exp Teaching Salary

Bachelor's Degree $28,365 $32,925 $36,300

Master's Degree $31,545 $36,735 $40,555

Doctorate Degree $38,025 $44,175 $48,655

Do your homework people!"

MY RESPONSE:

I did the math, and teacher's make an average of $20.44 and HOUR based on the 'starting' salary of $28,365... (OR $153ROUNDED/day) by simply dividing $28,365 by total number of days worked, 185, divided by standard teaching hours, 7.5...

You make as much STARTING OUT as many local supervisors, yet you are 'off the clock' at 3:00pm, not 5 & 6 pm.. So... If you add in those extra 2 hours per day for a supervisor x their normal work calender of atleast 245 days/yr you will see they make roughly $47,574 (based on the same pay scale that NEW teacher's use.)

So, using YOUR math, I have "done the homework" and shown you that you make atleast $20/hr.. But since your days are shorter than most (officially) and you work less days (officially) THAT is the reason your pay seems unfair. It in fact, is not.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:18 AM

Those "inservice" hours are in fact in the equation, because I did the 185 days a year... Which is the total amount of days a year teachers are IN school (students may not be there, but there is no way you are going to be expected to work, and not get paid.. that is illegal)

Year-round schools go the same amount of days, I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT... BUT IT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY THOSE SCHOOL THAT GO YEAR ROUND ARE GENERALLY PAID $5,000 more. Another thing, places like Rutherford Co. and Williamson Co. have higher property taxes, wheel taxes, etc... Those counties are growing rapidly and their teachers get paid better, what do ya know? And David Melson doesn't need to speak up, the teacher's are doing that for him.

Teacher's don't work 10 hour days, GET REAL. Lastly, if you are a teacher and your kids are in school, you don't have to suffer with babysitting/daycare cost, so that is yet ANOTHER benefit of teaching. You save $2,590/yr in daycare costs if your kids are in school and you are a teacher.. (Based on an average of $70/week per kid for 37 weeks)..

"I would welcome any pay cut just to get away from all the complaints." -- I know plenty of people who say the exact same thing when considering leaving their jobs to become teachers.

"No, Wait, My husband is still in bed. My sisters and brothers won't go in until 9 or 10 and 2 of them don't even work 8 hours and guess what--they all make $10-15/hour."-- They probably aren't under tax payer dollars, and you STILL MAKE $20.44/hr, so why complain?

You say teachers aren't the ones complaining about their pay, it's David Melson, perhaps you need to read all of what you just said, to try to prove teacher's are unfairly paid.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 8:15 AM

I live on a small farm in a house that is 30 years old--not the country club or one of those fancy new housing developments being built all over Shelbyville. My husband, my kids, and myself all drive vehicles that are 5-10 years old. I have thought about a different profession--even if I have to go back to school. I would welcome any pay cut just to get away from all the complaints.

I am off to work now--just like everyone else.

No, Wait, My husband is still in bed. My sisters and brothers won't go in until 9 or 10 and 2 of them don't even work 8 hours and guess what--they all make $10-15/hour.

-- Posted by neena on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 6:46 AM

To David Melson--Where are you? You started all this. Teachers did not start this.

To everyone else--What do you think is fair for hourly pay and should we be able to submit overtime?

$5.00;6.00;7.00;800......??????

What is fair for a teacher?

Based on a 10 hour day a teacher would make $14.00/hour starting out. Note: The 30 hours of inservice required are not calculated in. Those days are done during our "time off".

-- Posted by neena on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 6:18 AM

Again, David Melson is the one saying our payment is unfair--not us.

Unfortunately, everyone ignores the fact that we are not the ones saying it is unfair--and if anyone read our contract, it indicates that we have other obligations past our contract hours.

My husband is a supervisor, and if he does not have to stay at work 2-3 hours past his contract time on a daily basis and he can take comp time.

One fact that is also being ignored is that other counties pay substantially higher{at least $5000,00 per year} and year round does not mean more days--just a different shedule of breaks.

-- Posted by neena on Tue, Sep 11, 2007, at 5:42 AM

I did the math, and teacher's make an average of $20.44 and HOUR based on the 'starting' salary of $28,365... (OR $153ROUNDED/day) by simply dividing $28,365 by total number of days worked, 185, divided by standard teaching hours, 7.5...

You make as much STARTING OUT as many local supervisors, yet you are 'off the clock' at 3:00pm, not 5 & 6 pm.. So... If you add in those extra 2 hours per day for a supervisor x their normal work calender of atleast 245 days/yr you will see they make roughly $47,574 (based on the same pay scale that NEW teacher's use.)

So, using YOUR math, I have "done the homework" and shown you that you make atleast $20/hr.. But since your days are shorter than most (officially) and you work less days (officially) THAT is the reason your pay seems unfair. It in fact, is not.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 9:56 PM

To Nathan, I am not sure what you meant, but if you are going to quote me, then quote my entire comment and read the other comments for context.

Like I said, I don't judge other people's work and I am not the one saying that people don't earn their pay and I am not asking for more pay and would love to see everyone making more. [David Melson started this blog] I have been working for more than 34 years and have frequently worked a second job and sometimes a third when I had no choice due to circumstances with my husband's employment so I have put in more than enough time working and, unlike my husband, I also continue to work when I get home. Have you put in that many years and that much time yet?

I am saying, that based on my education compared to other professions, I do not make the same salary--contrary to what everyone keeps saying. There are techs that start out with more pay than teachers do when pay is calculated hourly--and I am not asking for more pay. I'm just tired of being criticized because I am a teacher.

Following is the pay scale from the State of Tennessee for 2005. To reach the $40,000+ that has been listed as average, a teacher would have to have 15 years experience and have a master's degree or have a doctorate degree. A first year teacher just out of college makes far less.

Tennessee Department of Education Base Teaching Salaries

[2005]

Degree Level 0 yrs exp Teaching Salary 8 yrs exp Teaching Salary 15 yrs exp Teaching Salary

Bachelor's Degree $28,365 $32,925 $36,300

Master's Degree $31,545 $36,735 $40,555

Doctorate Degree $38,025 $44,175 $48,655

Do your homework people!

I don't plan to make any more comments on this blog and probably won't even read any more, because the comments are exactly what I thought they would be--more negative than positive.

P.S. I decided to do a regular 730-315 shift. Hourly people would get paid overtime and salaried people would get comp time for working more than what they were contracted for.

-- Posted by neena on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 3:52 PM

And now, I have to get ready for work--I frequently get up early and work at home and get to school by 715.

-- Posted by neena on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 6:29 AM

Join the club!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 8:52 AM

When I first saw this topic on the blogs, I started to not even look at it because I have heard it all for many,many years.

I do have a few last comments,though.

The question should be,"Why do teachers continue in this kind of unappreciative environment for any kind of pay?" I ask that often and then I get 1 parent or student who says they truly appreciate all that I have done for them or their kids and I keep going. I have a few kids who want to give me a hug, but anymore I'm afraid of how that will be interpreted since everyone seems to be out to get a teacher. The salaries,again, are based on averages--not starting pay. I'll look those up and put them in later. And I had a few more thoughts re the cars. You don't know what a teacher's financial circumstances are. Some are also single with no kids and parents may contribute to their transportation{as I do with my kids}

Anymore, I tell anyone and everyone not to go into teaching because of the negative 'opinions' expressed so frequently and loudly. I don't judge what other people do for a living and I think everyone should make more money. How would you like to go from your $9.00 per hour to the minimum wage or lower. That's what you are suggesting for teachers and if you broke our salaries down to per hour rate which is what I plan to do later this evening to demonstrate, then maybe you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

And now, I have to get ready for work--I frequently get up early and work at home and get to school by 715.

-- Posted by neena on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 6:29 AM

Teachers probably wouldn't complain nearly as much about their pay if they didn't have to put up with all the crap from parents.

As one of the teachers here said on one of these blogs "It isn't the students who make our job hard it's the parents"

It is No wonder there are bad teachers out there with all the negativity towards teachers. I am sure you will say it wasn't negative but please by all means go back and re-read the blog.

stormblackclouds was correct in saying the few compliments you give were followed by a hollow BUT...

I don't know what you or anybody else in here do for a living and honestly could care less..but does the general public have any say in what you make or how you do your job? Do they sit around and talk about how much you make? Do they Criticize your every move?

If the people digging ditches or serving food for a living want to make more than $5.00 an hour then they need to go to college and get a degree and spend $50,000 on a education. But I myself will be the first to tell them Do Not Become a Teacher unless you want the General Public breathing down your neck. Don't even say that not everybody can afford to go to college because my daughter worked a full time job, went to school full time plus raise a child..so it can be done, if they want it.

How many Teachers have you heard ask for a raise?? Teachers get a raise once a year and a small raise at that, I think last years raise give my daughter a whopping 30.00 more on her check which is a two week check. I heard No one including the teachers that posted here complain about being off in the summer or not getting paid for it..being off in the summer is one, if not the only benefit of teaching.

I get a raise every year, don't you? It is called a cost of living raise. If you don't then maybe you are the one who should be seeking another job.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Sep 10, 2007, at 1:33 AM

Talking in all caps is not disrespectful, it is getting a point across. A public blog is no place for any kind of profanity.

The comments are people's opinions, not necessarily disrespectful. They aren't calling teachers any bad names, the comments are merely stating that if you don't like your job then quit it. If you are in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reason. That goes for any profession but Teaching is the one that was chosen for discussion in this blog.

Many many people work extra and aren't paid for their time, consider those on salary. or those that make $5 dollars an hour. I am not saying teaching isn't a noble job, but it's no better than those that save lives for little money, those that serve us our food for little money, those that dig ditches to prevent flooding, and many other thankless jobs in the world.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 11:03 PM

LOL.. Goodnight Mrs. Parker!

My memories are very fond.. I remember you were having your baby boy when the school year began. Hope all is well!

Talk to you soon. Oh and Typing in all caps is not disrespectful around here. That ! at the end of comments is to be used when there is profanity or personal info on these blogs.

Have fun at school tomorrow.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:57 PM

I don't consider that profanity..it's a word and it's in the dictionary. And I have read much worse used on T-G blogs.

And I wasn't cussing anybody..it was a simple statement.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:55 PM

Stolen25-

I wasn't asking you. And I didnt see any disrespect. It wasn't directed at anyone. And isn't 'talking' in all caps considered disrespectful? And before you scroll up to see if I used all caps...I did. Speaking of being disrespectful... I've read alot of very disrespectful and hurtful comments made toward the teaching profession and teachers themselves. Are you going to scold those post-ers?

I am going to bed now. I have to be at work early- You know the 30 to 40 minutes early (every day)- the time I am not paid for....

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:54 PM

I never said anything about the standardized testing being the teacher's decision.. That ENTIRE BLOG, was about NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND (GOVERNMENT MANDATES), not TEACHER'S agreeing to the tests...

You also, spoke out in deep opposition to standardized tests, as did most everyone! Because most people agreed that it didn't reflect the true product of the teacher's valant efforts.

"..you complain because they don't do their jobs when in fact I know most teachers care very much about their students and work far and beyond the school hours." - - - Ok, but that's not what they get paid for. Just like anyone else who does some of their workload at home, they don't get paid for it either...

"you complain because they go to lunch.."- - - NO, the teachers' go to lunch alright... Who said they didn't? They just don't always go with their class, which is still under their responsibility from "7-7" or whatever..

"you complain because they get out during the summer months (which they have no control over but if you like the idea BECOME A TEACHER, it seems we need good teachers)"- - - We don't complain because they get out all summer, they complain because they get out all summer and don't get paid for it...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:53 PM

Darrick-Ding! Ding! Ding! It would be me! I do hope your memories are positive ones. I, like anyone else, have learned so much from my years of experience. I hope having a 'newbie' wasn't to bad for ya! I think you were in my class the second year I taught!

Dianatn- I know you are angry at some of these folks and I don't blame you! But I want to thank you again for your support of teachers. And I am serious- the profanity doesn't bother me in the least- I've been to that point several times as I've read some of the comments. In the world outside of this blog I'd like to think we'd get along famously!

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:45 PM

Diana- I like you more and more with each post! We seem to think alike! Do I have your permission to use that last line? There may be a situation where I may need it. It is priceless!

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:24 PM

NOT ON THE BLOGS YOU DON'T, PROFANITY IS PROHIBITED AND VERY DISREPECTFUL....

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:39 PM

Parker rings a bell!!

Is that you?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:32 PM

LOVE THE PROFANITY...THAT IS HOW TO GET A THOUGHTFUL COMMENT ACROSS..CUSS AT US...NICE GOING, I don't care if you respect my opinion, because you just lost all my respect.

_Awwww My heart is broken-NOT

and I COMPLETELY agree with you Nascarfanatic, she complained on many of the same subjects.

SHOW ME WHERE I COMPLAINED ON ANY OF THOSE ISSUES!!!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:29 PM

Darrick- I was your 5th grade teacher! I had that sister of yours too! How is she doing? You know I just love both of you!

Diana- I like you more and more with each post! We seem to think alike! Do I have your permission to use that last line? There may be a situation where I may need it. It is priceless!

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:24 PM

LOVE THE PROFANITY...THAT IS HOW TO GET A THOUGHTFUL COMMENT ACROSS..CUSS AT US...NICE GOING, I don't care if you respect my opinion, because you just lost all my respect.

and I COMPLETELY agree with you Nascarfanatic, she complained on many of the same subjects.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:24 PM

Diana... Yeah, that's all we need is someone to use that kind of language in order to defend teachers...

You complained on many of the same subjects. Pot calling the kettle black.

I would look up the word Hypocrite too.

btw: $43,000/yr was AMERICA'S AVERAGE, Tennessee's average is "$40,000" LEARN TO READ THOROUGHLY!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:19 PM

Just tell me what grade it was, and I will know... MY GUESS narrows down to either 5th or 6th grade, I hope that is right? LOL!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:13 PM

Well, you could be one of MANY of my former teachers, and just like I said earlier THANK YOU! (I just disagree with the pay scale and the number of hours worked.. with no intention of offending anyone, just simply stating opinion)

I agree that teacher's are some of the best people in the world, I never caused problems in school and usually followed every rule. If I felt teacher's somehow were the bottom of the totem pole I would have disobeyed and been completely disrespectful!

Just glad to know someone understand I was and still am intelligent. You obviously did your job!! LOL, if I could only figure out who you are!

I would guess, but I don't really want to point out personal names on here.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:11 PM

Neena- The car issue is so true! My husband and I are both teachers and we will be driving our truck and van until the doors fall off! I want a new car so badly! But we don't have dental insurance and my youngest will soon be getting braces..... and he is more important that me riding around in a nice shiny sports car! (As if that could happen anyway!!)

My co-workers that drive the nicer, newer models have husbands that work in other professions. BTW,to all those who will tell me that my being a teacher is not the reason I can't buy my new car- I know that other people with other jobs have the same finacial burdens as I do and gladly choose their child's dental work over a dream of a flashy red convertible!

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 10:04 PM

I don't think that any teacher on this blog or Diana are complaining about the pay. What is disappointing is to hear that there seems to be an overwhelming agreement that we shouldn't be paid more. The beginning salary and the raises for years of experience are just beginning to become competitive with the counties surrounding ours. I made the choice to work in this county with full knowledge that my beginning pay and step increases would not match those of the other county school systems. I have read the words of appreciation and they seem hollow because there is always a 'but' attached.

Diana, thank you for your unwavering support of the teaching profession. Teachers need to hear your words of support and encouragement without the 'but' attached! We are, after all, human and it does hurt to read some the comments that seem to minimalize all the heart we put into our work.

Darrick, I am happy to see that you have become an intellegent young man. I remember the intellegent boy you were if I have correctly guessed who you are! I know of no one else that spells his name the way you do and if you are from Unionville, I was one of your teachers! I was just beginning my career and have learned lots since then! So if you figure out who I am, don't hold it against me! I think you were one of the few students that managed to get more AR points than me!!

I and most of my co-workers like the idea of year-round school. I agree that there would be more learning and less burn-out for students and teachers alike.

I would also like to comment on the issue of teaching morality to students. Sadly, there are students that do not have someone in their homes to teach them right from wrong. And, sadly, there are students whose teachers are the only constant in their lives. And again, we (and the other adults in our schools) are sometimes the only adults that offer a hug, a word of encouragement and a safe environment to these children. We do not want the responsibility of teaching morals and values to our students. But for these children, school is the only place they will get it. Whether you want to admit it or not nascarfanatic, teachers do shape the children in our classrooms. With the busy lives that we all lead today, I know that I see more of some of my students than their parents. And I agree with Darrick- you decided to have your children and I decided I wanted to teach them.

Stolen25- Your children are very lucky. Children whose parents are involved in all aspects of their lives are destined for success! All of my students are not treated like the precious gifts from God that they are.

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 9:44 PM

Also, I am not asking for more money and I do not want to work year-round. The main reason I went into teaching is so I could be off and at home with my kids. I have a master's degree and I do not make the same money as a person who has a similar education.

-- Posted by neena on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM

In regards to teachers car, like I said, I work a second job and many of the cars you are talking about belong to teachers who have been teaching for many years or have spouses who work. I own a pre-owned vehicle that I bought several years ago. I could only afford to replace one tire on it. Actually, many teachers' kids qualify for free lunches. How many doctors' or lawyers' or bankers' or plant managers', etc. kids would qualify?

-- Posted by neena on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 9:07 PM

Diana.. DON'T LEAVE these blogs. You are an asset to most everything I stand for.

I will not let this difference divide us. We can't see eye to eye on everything, because utopia does not exist.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 8:39 PM

Haha...

I do agree that sometimes we think alike... Which is scary.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 8:37 PM

dianatn:

I don't understand why you are leaving the blogs just because someone disagrees with you. I am most certain that you daughter has heard and read worse.

Darrick,vindicated,Revolution, Weezie84, myself and even Michael Bell have been called tons of names and been cut down and degraded and we never run with our tails between our legs. We have our say and move on to the next blog. We certainly don't let the fact that people disagree with us keep us from talking about what we believe in and what our opinions are.

So I hope you reconsider that you are done with the blogs.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 8:36 PM

Thank you Darrick. We may be diametrically opposed philosophically my friend, but I assure you that our thought process' are very similar on many issues regarding government inteference, the erosion of our rights under the guise of 'protecting' us, etc. Despite my somewhat conservative leanings I was a big fan of John F. Kennedy. I know you don't like the man but I believe that he and Ronald Reagan were the two best modern day presidents to ever hold office. I vote for the best candidate no matter what party they are affilated with. Unfortunatley, if things don't improve I am going to have to write in Alfred E. Nueman this time around. :)

-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 8:22 PM

Ok, we aren't tring to break anybody's heart or spirit Diana. We are simply stating that teachers work less and so they get paid for what they work..

This will be argued until the end of times. Neena, you are correct, you want better materials and working conditions, but nobody made anybody become a teacher. The bottom line is just like rebel said. If you feel like it's worth arguing about the pay (and you're a teacher) then obviously, you are in it for the wrong reason.

Anybody in any career can mismanage their finances. I for one have been making less than $9/hr for the last 6 years, and I still manage a $500/mth car payment, $40/mth cell phone payment and I buy things that I DON'T NEED... But I manage what I make, and I make it go a long way.

NOBODY HATES TEACHERS, GET THAT STRAIGHT REAL FAST! We just don't want to hear someone who was WELL AWARE of those "averages" way before they applied to get a degree at whatever college they chose. And rebel I agree, though we agree rarely on many issues, the fact is, if money is the ultimate culprit for any teacher, then either they were lied to about what they were going to be making, or they just need to get another job.

Those "extra jobs" etc... Aren't even a factor in the equation of what our tax payers pay you. That is an entire different job, and you can't sit here and say since you work OTHER JOBS to make more money that it is causing you to work (as a teacher) more than 8 hour days.

I just don't get this. Teachers are valuable people, they always will be. Nobody grouped a bunch of bad teachers and good teachers in the same category either. Simple truth is, there aren't many teachers who are EVER at school on a Sunday or at any point before late July getting "prepared" for the next year. And of course some teachers may call parents after 3:00 and may be doing those phone calls for hours. But that is also part of understood possibilities when you become a teacher.

-Diana said:

"If this is truly the way you feel about teachers then you You deserve every Bad teacher your child gets.. ----(How do we FEEL about teachers? That they get paid an AVERAGE of $43,000 in America, and work an AVERAGE of 115 less days a year than all other professions combined.)----

"And it is not a Teachers Job to teach YOUR child morals that would be the parents..they have familes of their own."----(A lot of morals are taught through education, and wether or not a person is taught objectively or subjectively, so in essence some teachers do instill morals in children, who may not have proper examples at home)

"YOU DECIDED TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN all the teacher is trying to do is prepare them for the outside world by giving them an education the rest is up to you."(And teachers DECIDED to do that job knowing full well their salary ranges and limitations.)

The education system in America is shameful when compared to many other developed countries. It isn't because there is a shortage of teachers or horrible teacher payment either.

Everyone on these blogs seem to be educated and there are some teachers who helped shaped our minds, but I don't think it's necessary to pay someone so much extra money just because they shape a future. I also don't think it's fair to pay politicians what we pay them, or many other professions. But this blog is about TEACHER pay!

Last thing, Drive down to Community High School and Elementary and in the teacher's parking lot there are PLENTY of 2005 and up model vehicles that are in the $30,000 range. Obviously, that half a year of working is pretty decent.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 7:59 PM

I never once said it was a teacher's job to shape my child's morals, I said that I am the one that shapes my child and his or her morals, etc.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 7:33 PM

Darrick's chart is average, not starting salaries.

Rebel's wife went to a different profession for more pay, but is she working more days?

I do not make as much money as other year round professions and I have had to work extra jobs to make more money--so that gets rid of my time off. Many teachers work second jobs.

Assistants are often assigned to an entire grade--that's 5-6 teachers.

I don't want more money--just adequate materials and better working conditions to do the job the state/federal govt requires. And discipline is a whole new ballgame.

-- Posted by neena on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 6:21 PM

Use any rationalization you want too, but the bottom line is still this: Teachers work about 115 days a year less than other professions for about the same money. You are not going to get much sympathy from those of us that work our tails off 12 months out of the year. Teachers that don't like the wages can do what my wife did when she discovered the pay scale out here-change professions where they can make more............

-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 5:49 PM

Maybe I wouldn't feel so strongly about it if my daughter wasn't a teacher..but I know for a fact the hours she puts into teaching while most are home enjoying their Sunday she is at school today doing lesson plans and grading papers (gee she needs that aid that does that sort of thing) She works most days until after 7pm and is there before 7am the amount added to a teachers load is unbelievable because of No Child Left Behind. There is not enough hours in a day to cover everything they need to with the children plus do all the paperwork also. She spends many after school hours on the phone with parents (how many times does your boss call you at home after work) Then she comes in here and reads how you try and group all teachers into a ball and say they don't do their job, they don't work a full schedule..their aids are doing their jobs.

You broke her heart but I hope to God you haven't broken her spirit.. she's a damn good teacher something Bedford County needs.

I am done with these Blogs

If this is truly the way you feel about teachers then you You deserve every Bad teacher your child gets..

And it is not a Teachers Job to teach YOUR child morals that would be the parents..they have familes of their own.

YOU DECIDED TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN all the teacher is trying to do is prepare them for the outside world by giving them an education the rest is up to you.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 5:40 PM

According to darrick's chart on teacher's pay California teachers make $56,444. That would be about 16,000 more than Tennessee's average teacher pay. I do realize the cost of living is higher in California I lived there also but let me assure you all jobs in California do not pay that much more than Tennessee jobs. So yes I would have to agree teachers in California are paid well.

Bedford County School Board is the one who decided not to go to full time schools, not teachers..

Which I truly don't see how they should effect their pay..you still pay the same taxes all year whether the kids are in school or not. You sure don't get a discount because there is no school for the summer.

What if your boss told you they were going to a 4 day work week working 10 hours a day 4 days a week but you are going to be paid less money? You would be working the same hours but for less money...would you like that?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 5:17 PM

1st of all, year round schooling is a wonderful Idea, my sister attended a county that went year round and was oppossed to it as most kids were, but then they experienced it and LOVED IT!!

2nd of all, no teacher is shaping my kids, I as a parent am doing that, they don't teach my kids morals etc, that I teach on a daily basis, plus I had to teach my child multiplication over the summer at the request of the teacher, I get no pay, no weeks off and during the summer and horseshow I have 94 days of no time alone. I don't to have a substitute to come in when I don't want to work. BUT I knew this when I made the decision to become a mom and I live within my means and don't cry about it.

I agree with Rebel's statement: "Those that dedicate themselves to the education of our children are to be admired but no more so than policemen, soldiers, plumbers or nurses."

Dianatn, you wouldn't feel so strongly if you daughter wasn't a teacher.

I feel for the single moms and dads that work at many of our fast food restaurants for (after taxes) about 5 bucks an hour just to put a sandwich on the table and pay the bills.

And what is even more shocking, they (teachers) sit and gripe about money yet pull into any school parking lot and look at the cars they are driving, most of them are in the 20-30 thousand dollar price range. I bet they don't gripe about the outrageous car payment, insurance payment and gas bills. If they learned to manage their money better they actually may not have to gripe about their pay but when you live beyond your means, that is what you get, in ANY profession. I am not saying they don't have the right to have the huge SUV's but don't complain about money when the price of your car is equal to your salary.

and as for discussing what teachers are worth, that was the topic of the blog. You need to complain to the one that started it, not to the ones that comment on it.

-- Posted by stolen25 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 5:16 PM

Thanks there rebel, NO-CHILD LEFT BEHIND was put into place by the FEDERAL government, therefore the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should start paying for all these changes they want to see.

And I agree with darrick and you, year-round school systems are the most efficient... and teacher's who teach in the counties that predominately use that schedule are paid more.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 5:00 PM

"That is the entire point I am trying to make It is not the General Public's job to discuss what a teacher makes or what he/she does or don't do or what she is worth!!!"

THAT GOES FOR THOSE IN FAVOR AND IN OPPOSITION OF TEACHER RAISES..

Have a nice day! It isn't my fault someone posted a blog on this issue. One is posted about the City Manager too.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 4:57 PM

My wife taught for 12 years in California and she and I agree that teachers are fairly compensated for the days they work compared to the average working person. We also agree that they should not ever have to take money from their own pockets to buy classroom supplies. Those that dedicate themselves to the education of our children are to be admired but no more so than policemen, soldiers, plumbers or nurses. I am proud to say that none of our three children have ever attended public schools Darrick but my wife taught at a year round school and it is the most efficient system in place today. Kids and teachers suffer from less burnout, families can still schedule vacations and other activities around the timed breaks and school resources seemed to be more stable as a result. The system has been in place since the 80s out there and you would be very hard pressed to find kids or parents that would go back to the schedule we use here. And I have to agree with nascar-no child left behind is an abject failure from conception to the sorry mess it's in now.

-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 4:56 PM

_Teacher's are not singled out, it just happens that is the topic of the blog._

That is the entire point I am trying to make It is not the General Public's job to discuss what a teacher makes or what he/she does or don't do or what she is worth!!!

And Teachers are singled out How many blogs do you see about other jobs within the county that effects your taxes or your personal bills?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 3:18 PM

"Teachers have YOUR child's future in their hands seems to me you would want these people taken care of above anyone else on the payroll." -----Never said I didn't... And as a parent, YOU shape your child's future more than most any teacher will, and you sure don't get paid to be a parent.

"It seems everybody is too quick to say Teachers make to much money... or don't do their job." -----Never said that either, just said they get paid for the amount of time they put in. Salary supervisors don't get paid to be on call 24/7, they don't get paid to work weekends if needed, and they surely don't get paid any extra if they are at work after 5:00 pm...

"No you don't know ..and it is Never questioned what-so-ever just Teachers are asked to prove they are worthy."----- I question why nurses don't make as much as doctors, I question why some police officers don't make as lawyers, and I also question why SOME teacher's don't make as much as education officials... Teacher's are not singled out, it just happens that is the topic of the blog.

"How much do the people at the Shelbyville Power make or DREMC or the cable company, or AT&T, no they are not paid by your taxes but their salary effects what your bill is: But yet their salary is never a question for you."-----You have no idea what I question... I question the validity of certain weird charges on every bill I get. In case you haven't noticed, I hate corporate profits that are far more than necessary... Search around the blogs, before you say I don't question everything...

"Teachers work hard and take a lot of grief ..anyone not happy with their teacher or their school, May I suggest Home schooling your child or are they just merely a free babysitter so you can go to work?"-----Since education is a required mandate in this country, most people have no choice but to send their kids to schools that may have unqualified teachers.... NOBODY is saying anything about not liking teacher's, we just don't want to hear people gripe about being paid unfairly, when they knew the pay rate before they took the job.

"Our COUNTRY does not set the pay for Teachers in our COUNTY..That is Bedford County officials setting the pay for our teachers..the same people who make far more than teachers who BTW your taxes are paying their salary also."----- I know this, but if our COUNTRY wants to make laws like NO-CHILD LEFT BEHIND, then perhaps our COUNTRY should start spending the money, instead of the county's...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 2:13 PM

Nascarfanatic, check the parking lots of the schools you pass on the way to work. Although there are a few teachers that slide in at the required 7:35 am, most of us arrive by 7:00 am and stay past the required 3:05 work day by at least an hour, sometimes more! (And for the record, I believe that the offical work day times for teachers vary to accomodate busing, but we are each required to work the same number of hours.) And I get 25 minutes for lunch. So I put an average of 2 hours of unpaid overtime per day.

Being off in the summers with my children is a benefit of teaching. I am grateful to have that time. I do know several teachers that work during the summer to supplement their incomes as well. As I have stated in an earlier comment, my husband is also a teacher and works during the summer. I could turn the tables and say to those of you that keep pointing out that fact, if you want to be off in the summers with your child, invest 4 or more years of your life to get your teaching degree!!

AGAIN, I WILL STATE THAT I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT MY SALARY. I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO WHEN I MADE MY DECISION TO BECOME A TEACHER.

I am bothered, however, by the nit-picking of some of you on this blog that I doubt have a true understanding of the teaching profession. I do not mean that you are not intellegent enough to understand the job description. I know what a doctor, lawyer, garbage collector, retail manager, cashier do.... But I will never understand the day to day stresses, struggles or rewards of those jobs. Substitute for a teacher in your child's school. Walk a mile in my shoes before you start telling me that I shouldn't have an aide(because that makes me lazy), should have to eat lunch with my class(start having a working lunch everyday)and all the other issues that keep cropping up. Do I want to make more money? Sure! Who doesn't? Do you want a raise Chef Boy R.D.? Wouldn't more money in the bank be nice? I will also say AGAIN: In a country as weathy as America, ANYONE that puts in a hard day's work, should not have to live paycheck to paycheck and should be able to provide finacial security for their families. Why not teachers, too? I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. What do ya'll have against someone bringing home a nice paycheck? Unless one of you is a pro-athlete making ungodly amounts of money for running around a ballfield or wearing a certain brand of shoes, I hope you are all being paid what you rightfully deserve.

Dianatn- I like you!

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 1:39 PM

Having NO Teachers will do wonders to fix EDUCATION won't it?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 12:22 PM

If teachers want to make more money, change professions. You know what the pay is for this type of work when you chose to pursue it. If you are so unhappy, get a better job doing something else. The idea that more money will 'fix' education is a dream that will not come to fruition.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 12:19 PM

It seems everybody is too quick to say Teachers make to much money or don't work regular hours or don't do their job. But do you know what Principals at schools make, or the Superintendent, or the many people who work for the central office at the Board of Education, the many people who work in offices at schools, school nurses, or guidance. What about the people who work for the city, the people cutting grass, the Mayor, Circuit Court Clerk or any one of the other positions that is paid by your taxes. No you don't know ..and it is Never questioned what-so-ever just Teachers are asked to prove they are worthy.

How much do the people at the Shelbyville Power make or DREMC or the cable company, or AT&T, no they are not paid by your taxes but their salary effects what your bill is: But yet their salary is never a question for you.

Teachers have YOUR child's future in their hands seems to me you would want these people taken care of above anyone else on the payroll.

Teachers work hard and take a lot of grief ..anyone not happy with their teacher or their school, May I suggest Home schooling your child or are they just merely a free babysitter so you can go to work?

Our COUNTRY does not set the pay for Teachers in our COUNTY..That is Bedford County officials setting the pay for our teachers..the same people who make far more than teachers who BTW your taxes are paying their salary also.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 12:07 PM

Yes, I get an hour lunch break... But I also work 7-5. I appreciate teachers, and as for the negative comments, they are just comments who have a different opinion than you do.

They aren't negative...

THANK YOU for what you do. If you pay isn't your top priority I ask why teacher's are having to defend all these issues. We aren't saying you're bad people, we aren't saying you don't do your job... I am saying, you do it well, but you only work half a year. Simple as that. Many teachers become teachers, so they can have all those days off with their child, so they don't have to pay for daycare, etc.

There aren't many professions that get every holiday and summer off with their kids... Therefore your childcare bill is nowhere near as high as a person working in a factory or any other non-school based schedule. I am not belittling you, or any other teacher, whatsoever. I am simply stating, you get paid for half a year, because that's what you work.

Someone please do the math, on how much more a teacher would make if they were "on the clock" from June-August... One week, instead of two, for Christmas, no spring break, and no other holidays. I'm just asking objectively to try and understand why teacher's are paid how they are, and wether it is in any way justifiable.

Another thing, darrick pointed out how our country spends more on military endeavors and "protection" than any other sector of the economy, and like I agree, it isn't us who have a negative attitude, it is the very people we vote into office, year after year, after year, thinking they somehow care for middle-class Americans.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 9, 2007, at 9:43 AM

There are several misinformed folks out there. Let me clear a few things up. I did not mean that teachers spend every waking moment teaching. I meant to make it understood that teaching is one of the few professions that in order to do the job correctly, one has to do quite a bit of work 'off the clock.' For those of us that want to make a difference there is alot of pressure we must put on ourselves. We have the oppourtunity to change a child's life. What an awesome responsiblilty! Those of us worth our salt also have a huge emotional investment in our students.

I also realize that there are bad teachers. To read some of the comments on this blog one would be led to believe that there are more bad teachers than the many hard working, dedicated, talented teachers that I personally know! I am also a parent and my children are receiving a wonderful education in the public school system in Bedford County.

Let's now talk about teacher assistants. Yes, most of us have an assistant. Regular education teachers have the help of an aide for a short period of time each day. I know this to be true for elementary schools. Many secondary school teachers do not have an assistant. My husband is a high school teacher and does not have one. I appreciate the help of my assistant, that I share with four other teachers. She works very hard for very little pay. I have never heard of a teacher asking his/her aide to do lesson plans. If I were the aide I'd be insulted! That isn't their job and again, they aren't paid enough! Some of the duties of an aide are making copies, putting up bulletin boards, watching a class so the teacher can have a bathroom break, lunchroom duty and countless other things that may pop up during the day. I want to restate that she is not at my beck and call every minute of every day.

I have a question for nascarfanatic. What's wrong with having a lunch break? Don't you get at least 30 minutes during your work day to have lunch without working? A 25 minute lunch break without having to monitor students gives both the teachers and the students a chance to recharge for afternoon classes.

I NEVER anticipated the negative attitude about teaching that I get from members of our community. That in itself is the most disappointing aspect of my career.

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare

You are so right.

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 11:52 PM

amori

Please let me be the first to tell you Thank you for all you do..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 11:01 PM

First of all, I just want to say a BIG thank you to David Melson and the others who have written in their support our local teachers.

Let me dispel a couple of misperceptions you might have. NONE of us have an aide for all day, 5 days a week. My aide reports to 8 different teachers plus she has other duties she has to take care of everyday. She is overworked and underpaid too. As far as that standardized test you speak of...it is a one time test basic knowledge test for paraprofessionals and is mandated by No Child Left Behind. If they have at least a 2 year degree they don't have to take a test to demonstrate knowledge. It's not like they are taking the Terra Nova test every year. My aide does no more than make copies for me. She doesn't grade my papers and she certainly doesn't plan for me. I can't think of any teacher in their right mind who would let an aide plan for them.

How would you like to be put under a microscope for everything you do (or don't do)? How would you like the general public to discuss your salary and what you are worth? I worked in the public sector for many years before I went to college to get my teaching degree. Teaching is more work than any other job I've ever had and I've worked for factories, offices, and in retail.

Like stormblackclouds, I knew I wouldn't get adequately paid for the hours and work I put in, but I wanted to be a teacher to change lives.

I NEVER anticipated the negative attitude about teaching that I get from members of our community. That in itself is the most disappointing aspect of my career.

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM

Other counties have done it...

There is always SACP that could probably start a program for the kids...

I don't know, but I most certainly would like to see it go to year-round. Kid's don't get as burnt out and they start and finish certain sections/chapters/etc.. get tested on that material and go for a break. Only to come back to learn new concepts for the next 9 week period.

Do you think it will ever happen in Bedford County?

- I may answer my own question, since we normally lag behind other counties in growth and education, I just hope the change happens sooner rather than later.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 9:07 PM

I think the problem was they would have to pay the sitters all year in order to hold their place for the weeks they were out of school.

Or some sorta BS like that anyway..

I am sure though if the county had passed Full Time Schools then babysitters would have almost had to accommodate the parents.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 9:03 PM

Why would parents have to change anything about their babysitting?

Babysitters need to make accomadations for the kids. They won't have a choice, or they'll be out of a job.

Year-round schooling sounds awesome!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:44 PM

I have two family member's who are teacher's aids in Bedford County, and each of them work for different schools..

They will BOTH tell you, they each do most of the teacher's "planning, tests, grading, and other general errands." And they are extremely serious... And you know what is funny, the teacher's aids have to take standardized testing too. RIDICULOUS!

I wished I had an assistant at work to do all the "minor" things. When I was in Elementary, which was only 15 years ago, the teachers graded their own assignments, they made their own transparency slides, they went to the lunchroom with their class, etc... etc.. Even teacher's aids go to those "inservice meetings".

That isn't the case for the majority of teachers.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:42 PM

I think that was actually discussed at one time for Bedford County but Parents whined so much about the problems with babysitting it was pushed aside.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:40 PM

FIRST OFF: I DO NOT HATE TEACHERS, I AGREE THEY NEED BETTER PAY (BUT HOW MUCH, WITHOUT GETTING ACCUSED OF PREJUDICES WHEN CERTAIN TEACHERS GET MORE MONEY THAN OTHERS...?, AND I ALSO ADMIRE THE GOOD TEACHERS, WHO DO WORK MORE THAN 180 DAYS A YEAR.. WHAT DOES SUCK FOR THEM, IS THE INSURANCE AND BENEFITS, THAT IS REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE)

Inservice days, are no different than corporate board meetings. It gives teachers a day to work WITHOUT kids. And set in to place, new tactics and ways of teaching, planning, etc. I honestly don't even see the need in having those teachers to be there on those days. The only reason they started those, was because students are alloted so many days off a year and we never get to use "snow days" anymore.

Diana, I am sure your daughter is an extremely gifted teacher, as are those other's who are speaking up. But in the south we don't like Unions, and you simply can not pay every teacher the same wage based on what EVERY ONE ELSE gets paid.

And, just like I said, most counties around us, do pay more, and most of those counties have schools that go "year-round". I think, Bedford County should adopt that schedule, because those major holidays and horseshow, among other things are scheduled around the 9 week on, 2 week off program.

Anyone care to discuss, the pros and cons of the "Year-round" schooling, I think it is an interesting, and inevitable school schedule coming to our county.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:35 PM

I agree there are some crappy teachers out there..but also I bet there are crappy employees everywhere you may work but yet they all make the same pay as the hard working employees. Can you say because Joe Blow over there don't do much we aren't going to pay anybody much.

Teachers Aids are few and far between..if a teacher gets an aid one day a week she is lucky.

I agree everybody needs to make more money.. but that isn't going to happen in the normal work force until companies stop hiring illegals at a lower rate of pay and Americans having to take the cut in pay or go to another job (but that's another blog)

The biggest problem I have is that teachers are the ones preparing our youth for America's future..every county surrounding Bedford County pay more and have better benefits just a short drive for a good teacher to make more money and have better benefits ..doing the exact same job but where does that leave your child? Does that leave your child with the teachers who should have retired years ago and the ones who are too lazy to teach?

Everytime the students are out of school does not mean teachers are out also..In-service days are students day out, not teachers. Holidays are something most employees get not just teachers..

Teachers were out of school 5 school days for the Horseshow..there was no school the 1st friday of the horseshow for the students but teachers had in-service and they went to school the 1st Wednesday and Thur.

Good Teachers are in demand these days by all counties in Tennessee. So I guess when Bedford County looses their good teachers to higher paying counties they will have no one to blame but themselves.. when they loose the federal funding because the schools are not passing "The No Child Left Behind" requirements, then it will be your child left behind.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:11 PM

Vindicated, long time no hear.. I agree with you on that one.

Pay them based on performance and results. Not STANDARDIZED testing results, but individual results of every child in their class.

Teacher's are wonderful, I can't say that enough. But there are some teacher's who cry foul and raise cane about making a certain amount of money, and they don't even teach! I had MANY teachers who sat there and did nothing the entire time... Most of them were basketball, football, and baseball coaches..

I do agree teachers need to be more valued by the government that employs them, but our government will never pay the hard working, middle class people for their effort. Teachers, are not the only people who aren't paid what they deserve.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 7:40 PM

Let's see....according to my own experiences with the local school systems, they have teacher's aides that now grade the papers and the test and some have even been graded by the teachers own children. YES THIS IS TRUE. I recall one 3rd grade teacher that admitted to getting her 10th grader to grade the tests she brought home.

And if I could make 35,000 a year, get 2 weeks off for Christmas,evry weekend, 3 month in the summer, 10 days at the celebration, a week of spring break, 3 days (not counting the weekend) of Thanksgiving and ALL the government holidays and be able to call in sick.and get a subsitiute and STILL get paid, I would be happy. Most people work for 5.65 an hour, they are kept just under the law for "full time" so they can't receive insurance benefits, and work no matter what and try to raise kids on very little money per week after taxes.

I seriously doubt that they devote 24/7 to nothing but teaching, do they deserve more money? sure, but I think it should be based on their performance, just like in other jobs, because there are teachers now that don't deserve or earn what they are currently making.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 7:34 PM

It made perfect sense.. Research the counties that pay their teachers more, and you will notice which goes year-round and which does the old schedule.

I wasnt' implying they make MORE money because it's year round schooling, I was trying to say that the school systems that invoke the year-round method generally are the higher paying schools/counties.

"What planet are you living on? Half a year? Breaks during the summer? During the Horse Show? During Christmas? Yes, we are 'offically' on break. But do you realize how many of us are working in our rooms during these times to prepare for the hours we are being paid for? The hours spent at home stting at the kitchen table grading papers or writing lesson plans? In how many professions does one 'take home' worry for the children under your care that don't have the loving supportive home that every child deserves?"

Those facts came right off of the national statistics, I provided the link and the numbers. And I also realize that is an AVERAGE. But not every teacher prepares all summer, or prepares during the horse show, or worries after they get home. I know teachers assistants who make all the test, makes all the slides, grade ALL the papers, and even walk the kids to lunch.

I love teachers, and if you read the otehr blog "An 'F' for fundraising' I praised amori (a teacher) just as well as I will praise you. THANK YOU so much for your service and dedication, as I stated in the very same paragraph that you got my quote, how I think teachers are wonderful and I was not belittling them at all. And I also pointed out, that teachers such as yourself obviously don't do it for the money, they do it because most of them are truly gifted to do what most of us can not.

I am from planet earth, and I live in the same country you live in. I graduated Salutatorian in my class, and I get paid to go to college... I value the teachers and what they do for children, but you can not honestly tell me you spend your entire 180+ days off planning and grading papers...

I also live in a country that spends more on bombs and military than it does the education and future of our country. It isn't me you should complaing to, it is the government that provides you the job that you and I should complain to.

Human Resources

$748 billion:

* Health/Human Services

* Soc. Sec. Administration

* Education Dept.(1/6 of H.R. spending)

* Food/Nutrition programs

* Housing & Urban Dev.

* Labor Dept.

* other human resources

Current Military

$727 billion:

* Military Personnel $136 billion

* Operation & Maint. $249 billion

* Procurement $111 billion

* Research & Dev. $70 billion

* Construction $10 billion

* Family Housing $4 billion

* DoD misc. $6 billion

* Retired Pay $52 billion

* DoE nuclear weapons $17 billion

* NASA (50%) $9 billion

* International Security $10 billion

* Homeland Secur. (military) $31 billion

* Exec. Office of President $1 billion

* other military (non-DoD) $1 billion

* plus ... anticipated supplemental war spending requests of $20 billion in addition to $141 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan wars already incorporated into figures above

Past Military,

$461 billion:

* Veterans' Benefits $85 billion

* Interest on national debt $376 billion (80% est. to be created by military spending

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 6:10 PM

"Bedford County teacher don't make the average because they don't teach in year-round school systems."

Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 7:14 AM

Darrick, Honey You know I love you but that statement made no sense what-so- ever and you know it.

All Schools go to school the same number of days a year. Year round schools do not go extra days.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM

And in a country as wealthy as ours, I'd like to see everyone who puts in an honest day's work paid what they are worth.

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:59 AM

Thank you so much for stating this stormblackclouds. That summed up my entire point right there. I was only pointing out that there are countless people that work hard and help America earn its reputation as the hardest working country in the world. Many of us deserve raises. All of our jobs are important to the nation's survival. If the day ever comes when raises are being handed out, teachers and members of the military, police, and fire departments should be the first in line.

To me it truly is sad that a person can go and work eight hours a day and still not bring home enough money to feed and house his or her family. People should not be forced to get second jobs unless the money is to be used for a new big screen. The gap is widening and redistribution of wealth is near.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 9:56 AM

Darrick, Darrick, Darrick

"Teachers work half a year and average $40,000 in Tennessee for that entire year..."

What planet are you living on? Half a year? Breaks during the summer? During the Horse Show? During Christmas? Yes, we are 'offically' on break. But do you realize how many of us are working in our rooms during these times to prepare for the hours we are being paid for? The hours spent at home stting at the kitchen table grading papers or writing lesson plans? In how many professions does one 'take home' worry for the children under your care that don't have the loving supportive home that every child deserves?

I knew the salary and still became a teacher because it is what I love. My parents tried to convince me not to become a teacher because of the pay. My father told me that I could skip college, work at a factory, earn more money and have better insurance benefits. Both of my parents are very proud of me, but their advice was correct. I still do not regret becoming a teacher. A thank you and a whole-hearted YES to paying teachers more would be appreciated!

And in a country as wealthy as ours, I'd like to see everyone who puts in an honest day's work paid what they are worth.

-- Posted by stormblackclouds on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 8:59 AM

I didn't say 365 days a year...

I said 325+ when you are a Supervisor you are on call 24/7, your pay is salary based... Just like teacers. So when they are scheduled to leave at 5:00 and don't get home until 7 on multiple nights, they don't get paid for it any more than teachers do.

Diana, I think teachers do need a raise, but how much? They honestly are wonderful people, with great minds, great hearts, and a sense of compassion for shaping our kids... But they do not work more than 180-190 days a year. How can someone who has 2 months off in the summer, (another week and a half for horseshow) a week off in the spring, two-three weeks off around Christmas, and all other major holidays, get paid more than 35k/year? Bedford County teacher don't make the average because they don't teach in year-round school systems. I am a teacher's advocate, but until we re-work our tax system in order to incorporate such raises, and eliminate those extra jobs and overhead that isn't necessary, we will never see those raises. Still 35,000/year isn't bad considering.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 8, 2007, at 7:14 AM

Every County in Tennessee pays there teachers different..Bedford County is one of the lowest in the state. You won't be finding any teachers making $40,000 in Bedford County.

I don't know anybody who works 365 days a year There are 100 days in weekends in a year...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 10:27 PM

Teacher's definitely know that teaching is not a money career, however their efforts and success mean a LOT to the students, our community and even our country. It would be nice if we could reward them better.

I looked into teaching a number of times and could never make the numbers work, even for a household of three. Their insurance package is about as bad as mine and that surprised me as well.

Walking in someone else's shoes can go a long way to understanding. While I feel I have pressures and do things I don't enjoy, I could not survive in the school system with all the policies, procedures, do's and don'ts, PARENTS, administrators, forms to fill out, etc. And that does not even account for the actual teaching!

I will be teaching at a Community College in the upcoming months and the rules & regulations are already starting to get me nervous. Good thing it is only a part-time gig.

AND I am sure not doing it to make big money.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 8:40 PM

Probably some of those MTSU guys are bringing in research or consulting income to the university that is applied to their income. I guess there isn't much research going on in English :)

It is a strange world though. Some of those teachers in Bedford county were my teachers. I still look back on lessons learned from some of them and apply them every day. I know they deserve better.

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 7:55 PM

Speaking of teacher salaries... Some MTSU professor make over $100,000/year... Usually the Business and Aerospace professors..

The average business professor makes around $55-60k/year

An average English professors salary at MTSU is $30,000. (Including tenured professors)..

I realize these aren't high schools, the students pay for the education, but this is still a bit extreme...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 7:09 PM

Teachers work half a year and average $40,000 in Tennessee for that entire year... My mom is a supervisor at a major company in Shelbyville, and works 325+ days a year. She makes more than that averaged teacher salary(exact details, are personal information), and she also works nearly twice as often.

Teachers know what they are getting paid before they ever start college... That is why I admire teachers so much, they are doing it because they love it.

I think they need a raise, and our tax dollars could easily provide for one. But they also get every major holiday off, and an entire summer. Every snow day, etc... I admire teachers, and I am not belittling them in any way, but I have to go out on a limb, like Nathan and say, they get paid fairly.

There aren't a lot of jobs where you get paid that amount and have teachers assistants doing alot of the job for them. Honestly, they should limit the number of teachers assistants, to one per grade (per school) and there would be more money available for the teachers..

Public school averages, 2003-04:

U.S. average $46,752

State Avg. Salary

Alabama $38,325

Alaska $51,736

Arizona $41,843

Arkansas $39,314

California $56,444

Colorado $43,319

Connecticut. $57,337

Delaware $49,366

Dist. of Columbia $57,009

Florida $40,604

Georgia $45,988

Hawaii $45,479

Idaho $41,080

Illinois $54,230

Indiana $45,791

Iowa $39,432

Kansas $38,623

Kentucky $40,240

Louisiana $37,918

Maine $39,864

Maryland $50,261

Massachusetts $53,181

Michigan $54,412

Minnesota $45,375

Mississippi $35,684

Missouri $38,006

Montana $37,184

Nebraska $38,352

Nevada $42,254

New Hampshire $42,689

New Jersey $55,592

New Mexico $38,067

New York $55,181

North Carolina $43,211

North Dakota $35,441

Ohio $47,482

Oklahoma $35,061

Oregon $49,169

Pennsylvania $51,835

Rhode Island $52,261

South Carolina $41,162

South Dakota. $33,236

Tennessee $40,318 (Remember, this is working NO MORE than 200 days a year out of 365)

Texas $40,476

Utah $38,976

Vermont $42,007

Virginia $43,655

Washington $45,434

West Virginia. $38,461

Wisconsin $42,882

Wyoming $39,532

Source: National Education Association

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 7:04 PM

You can look at it this way..Babysitters get $85-95 a week for keeping one child.

Even if you considered a teacher no more than a glorified babysitter, she does have your child all week.

And if we take the $85 on the low side of babysitting and figure that by 25 children (which most teachers have more than that per classroom) That is $2125.00 a week over the school year which is 8 months if you count holidays and summer break. (give or take a day or so) That is $68000.00 per year.

Double a teacher's salary.

And hey No need for that $50,000.00 spent on a college degree either.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 3:55 PM

I did not say that I think her job and my job are equal. I could not do her job and she could not do my job. I stated that her pay is roughly equivalent to my pay, our education levels are equal, and that we live in the same economy. She has one added benefit though and that is that she has a long break during the summer. If my employer offered me the summer off while keeping my same salary I would have to take it.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 3:26 PM

I would be willing to bet she would swap jobs with you any day of the week.

Just because you think your job and a teachers job is equal does not mean that you should make the same amount of money.

I have a friend who works for TVA he makes $28.00 an hour which is 58240.00 a year before taxes he never went to college.

What makes his job more important than a teacher?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:49 PM

I am not trying to get personal with you Dianatn. I am simply stating that teachers make a fair wage. Her gross pay is over $30k per year based on the numbers you have supplied. My individual insurance is over $200 per month and to cover my family would cost me $400. I receive zero assistance towards my family coverage from my employer and 50% of my individual coverage is taken care of. Your daughter and I are equivalent in many ways. The difference being that she spreads her check out during the whole year, works longer hours I would imagine, but works less days. I would consider us equal. I could drive to Nashville or Huntsville and make at least $50k. I don't do that because I like being able to spend time with my family and friends. That is my choice.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:32 PM

Tenured not tentured

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:23 PM

She is already tentured. And I think if you read my statement and stop trying to put words in my mouth..I used the word ABOUT I am not a teacher and do not claim to be. I have know idea what the exact dollar figure is she makes before taxes.I was giving a rough figure and figured it high.. I do know for a fact after taxes she brings home $1047.00 every two weeks. That amounts to 27222.00 a year after taxes. I doubt every seriously that she is paying ALMOST 7778.00 in taxes. She does not carry the school insurance because for herself and her child it would cost her over $400.00 a month (almost one check a month) Teachers can either take their base salary over the school year or spread it out over the entire year she spreads her's out over the year (sorry but she has to live during the summer also)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:22 PM

Indulge us then, how many years?

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:05 PM

She is not a entry level teacher.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:03 PM

And, a high sales tax is not an "even-handed" way of generating tax. A high sales tax means that Poor Joe pays the same amount of tax on a loaf of bread that Millionare Joe does. The percentage of tax to disposable income is by far not even-handed.

-- Posted by saveit on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Why should anyone pay any more or less than anyone else? Does Millionaire Joe use the highway any more than Poor Joe? Are their children not allowed to attend the same schools? Does Millionaire Joe have his own fire department? More tax is not the answer. Wisely spending the taxes that are already collected is.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 2:00 PM

As I said before my daughter is a teacher and a darn good teacher at that.. she makes about 35,000 a year before taxes. She goes in at 7am and most days she isn't home til after 6 sometimes even later. She works on weekends doing lesson plans because there is no time during the day. Some days she don't even have a lunch break.

She has 4 years of college with a $50,000 student loan and people in factories make more money and have better benefits than she does and don't have near the headaches she does.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 21, 2007, at 7:42 PM

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/carlmcclanahan/...

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 1:52 PM

Nathan,

I don't believe you will find any teacher in TN making that kind of money unless they have a master's degree or has been teaching for more than 20 years.

I think if an entry level teacher made $35K a year, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And, a high sales tax is not an "even-handed" way of generating tax. A high sales tax means that Poor Joe pays the same amount of tax on a loaf of bread that Millionare Joe does. The percentage of tax to disposable income is by far not even-handed.

-- Posted by saveit on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Alabama teachers make $10K+ more a year than teachers in TN. AL doesn't have a lottery...they do have an income tax. While the rest of us shrug at the very words "income tax", if I were a teacher, I would be singing the praises of such a tax if it meant making a wage that was more comparable to my college educated counterparts.

-- Posted by saveit on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 12:58 PM

Keeping the sales tax rate high and not having a state income tax is a much more even handed way of generating tax revenues. Since everyone spends money, we (citizens and non-citizens, employed and unemployed) all get taxed alike. If we create a state income tax the burden will be on working, legal Tennesseans.

I am going to stick my neck out here and I know I am going to get my head lopped off but I have to say it. Teacher salaries are not out of line. If an entry level teacher is making $35k per year then they are very close to the $36k median household income as determined by the 2000 census. Considering the cost of living in Bedford County not to mention the vacation they get during the summer and the government holidays this is very fair. Sure a teacher can move somewhere else and get paid more, but so can anyone else. As a computer programmer I could move to a lot of different places and get paid much more. I don't move because I like living and working in Bedford County. Teachers are great, most are hard working, and many do more than they are asked to do. The fact is virtually all of us work and work hard. If you don't like the money you make, get a different job.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 1:36 PM

I think right now the lottery funds are only used for Higher Education.

I know the teachers was suppose to get a small raise this year but so far that has not showed up on their checks, that I know of.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 1:13 PM

I also think this is a great topic to discuss.

We have an "Education Lottery" that has earned millions and millions of dollars for education. Yet, during budget time you hear news that counties can't make it and will have to trim from their already conservative budget. What went wrong here?

Plus, a teacher has the same four year's worth of college (and expenses) that any other professional position requires. BUT, I don't know of another profession that requires a degree and yet pays as little as a teacher's salary. So, that makes me think that the majority of teachers do what they do because they love it...they want to make a difference. While most of us do what we do because we love it, I ,personally, would have to reconsider this profession that I love if it only paid $25K a year.

SIDENOTE:

Alabama teachers make $10K+ more a year than teachers in TN. AL doesn't have a lottery...they do have an income tax. While the rest of us shrug at the very words "income tax", if I were a teacher, I would be singing the praises of such a tax if it meant making a wage that was more comparable to my college educated counterparts.

-- Posted by saveit on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 12:58 PM

I personally want to Thank you for writing this..I know many teachers in this county, including my daughter. They are wonderful, caring teachers and deserve so much more respect than they are given. But, Yes they do need to be paid more and a simple Thank you to one of these teachers would mean so much to any one of them instead of complaining because the classroom may need a few things. Teachers do not make enough money to live and supply their classrooms with their needs. I try to help my daughter all I can to supply things her class does not have but sometimes that is difficult even for both of us. Understand teachers are with your child everyday, more than most parents are with their own children during their awake hours. Plus the teacher not only has to meet the needs of your child but 25-30 more just like him/her in their classrooms.

We want the best education for our children that money can buy but yet we are not willing to pay for this service.

I guess when we start loosing our good teachers to higher paying counties and only have the ones who are there for the money left..we will be able to understand: You truly get what you pay for.

Again, Thank you for even caring enough to say teachers deserve a raise. We certainly do not want to loose any of the good teachers we have and God knows I couldn't do the job they have.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Sep 7, 2007, at 12:23 PM


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