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Illegals: A taxing situation

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 9:49 AM

“Taxpayer money should not be provided to illegal immigrants,” Republican primary candidate Fred Thompson said Tuesday at a round-table discussion.

The government should yank federal dollars from cities and states that don’t report illegal immigrants, Thompson says.

“In his first major policy proposal, Thompson challenged rivals Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney by criticizing ‘sanctuary cities’ where city workers are barred from reporting suspected illegal immigrants who enroll their children in school or seek hospital treatment,” the Associated Press reports.

New York, where Giuliani was mayor, sued the federal government to keep his city’s sanctuary policy and Romney tolerated sanctuary cities as Massachusetts’ governor, AP reports.

This hits home hard in Shelbyville.

It’s obvious that Bedford County is full of illegal immigrants. Shelbyville police regularly confiscate fake identifications, police reports show. Someone here legally wouldn’t need a fake ID.

And illegals, even if indirectly, benefit from taxpayers' sacrifices.

Should the Bedford County school system and Bedford County Medical Center be reporting suspected illegals? And would any further action be taken? Those few individuals who have reported illegals have said the regional immigration center in Memphis was too overwhelmed to do much of anything.

But reporting illegals would undoubtedly be criticized as “cruel” or as “prejudice” by some.

It’s hard to criticize illegals without some people claiming prejudice. Anyone in the country legally has every right to be in Bedford County. But laws are laws, and illegals should be removed -- not because of their race, nationality or any other reason except being here illegally.

Except another related issue arises. What about illegal immigrants whose children were born here and are U.S. citizens?

I’ve noticed an increasing number of children with Hispanic names making the honor rolls at local schools. They potentially have bright futures ahead. What happens if their parents are kicked out of the country? They go, too, probably.

Since our tax money was invested in these kids, especially English as a second language programs, shouldn’t we get a return on our investment? I’m not trying to reduce children to monetary figures...their lives and futures are much more important than dollars and cents.

I’d hate to suggest those children be taken from their parents. But could a program be formed where they could voluntarily stay? Maybe there is such a program which I haven’t heard of yet.

I lean toward what I call “compassionately enforcing the law” -- report illegals but make their enforced departure as easy on them as possible. And make sure their innocent children are fully taken care of.


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Mr Thompson may get my vote yet. I don't mind hispanics or anyone else being here if they are going to become citizens and pay taxes like the rest of us, but the illegals are draining this county by getting paid cash by employers and sending their money back home. No tax dollars are being donated from their pay to cover the cost of all the "free" education and healthcare programs being offered. The taxpaying public is having to shoulder the costs and the illegal population is quickly outgrowning the number of those who pay the taxes. Our economy will soon become like the countries they come from if no balance is struck.

-- Posted by CD on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 12:09 PM

I wish that our government would just make a decision to close the border asap. Once the border is closed, illegals that are already here should be made to apply for a green card. They should be screened for prior felony convictions from their country of origin and diseases. After applying for a green card they should be issued social security cards, pay federal income taxes and FICA taxes. These immigrants should be held to the same standard that all other legal immigrants are held to. Employers caught knowingly employing illegals should be fined $50,000 per illegal. That should give them enough incentive to follow the law. With a secure border and a process in place to inspect the illegals living here we will all feel much happier about the entire situation. After a certain date any person that cannot produce valid documents proving their American citizenship should be charged with a felony, processed, and deported.

I know a few illegal immigrants and they are good, god-fearing, hard-working people. I do not speak for them, but to me it seems like they broke the law because the reward of the American dream was greater than the consequences of breaking the law. As Americans, we should all be proud that our nation was their destination and we should welcome the non-violent illegals already here. But, the border must be sealed to prevent any further illegal immigration. From a national security point of view, open borders are a disaster waiting to happen. I feel that the Mexico and Canada borders will be the next port of entry for 9/11 style attacks. These terrorists will be invisible to any internal detection system so long as they obey the speed limit, use turn signals, and don't run red lights.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 1:37 PM

I agree with you MyNeightbor......take away the benefits and make it a real crime to cross the border illegally. These people are not going to stop coming because we cater to them and they know this. They have too many rights when they get here and they aren't even citizens! What is wrong with that picture!? I will vote for Fred Thompson if only for that way of thinking. The hand outs have got to stop somewhere and I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate to do anything about it. We are the great melting pot and we are letting everyone have too many rights. By them coming here illegally only tells me that they are not honest about their intentions in the first place. Obama won't even say the Pledge of Alligience to our flag with his hand on his heart.....I hope that Americans can wake up and see that everyone is not here for the good of America or the American people. But we learn everything the hard way and before long there won't be such a place as America anymore. It is melting away even as we speak!

-- Posted by jkelley on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 4:29 PM

Bravo Fred. Your the only one that has the nerve to stand up for illegal immigration.

You've got my vote!

-- Posted by cordell on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 8:44 PM

I just wonder what the Indians were thinking when the Italians and others came to their land and felt as though they owed them nothing. Legally or illegally?

To me, it sounds a lot like karma. We took everything from those people. Promised them land, money, etc... and they were made to feel inferior. No, they may not have paid taxes but this land is not ours. And we are no more entitled to it, than anyone else. Besides, when all is said and done, do you think God is honestly going to care if someone came to America or not?

I don't necessarily believe these folks should live off of our tax dollars, but then again, we are the very people who employ them. It's called economics, we as Americans want more, more, and more, and we are not always willing to pay the cost. So, jobs are out "offshored" to China, and other cheap labor industrial countries, then we allow illegals to plant and pick thousands of acres vegetables and fruits, all for what? LOWER COSTS. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to start paying three times as much for your food, then by all means, send the illegals back home.

I read in another blog, since there are quite a few about this, where one poster said illegals will help save Social Security. Their kids are born in America, they become "citizens" they are taxed and their incomes are reported. More people working, the less people it takes to support each S.S. recipient. Think about it. I am no advocate for illegals, but I most definitely enjoy lower costs for foods, etc... The cost of living increases, job wages stagnate, and the cost of goods in this country skyrocket, how do you counter that? Cheap labor...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 9:07 PM

Wasn't the Bedford County Sheriff's department looking into the 287(g) program a while back? Does anyone know what became of that?

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 9:08 PM

Lastly, any candidate has picturesque ideas, whatever appeals to the base of their party. Democrats and Republicans. As president though, you can not single handedly change the law. It takes three branches to efficiently work together to make, enforce, and protect the law... Contrary to the current method, where we have an executive branch which acts like a monarchy or dare I say dictatorship?

Just look at our country now, and think about everything that was promised 7 years ago, and how much of it has not and will not happen. The only thing promised that has become reality, is war.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 9:19 PM

jesuslovesevery1...you're right, we should let them in so that we can exploit them for cheap labor. That's the answer. Wait, didn't they do that at some point in the past? Except that time I believe they actually went to give them a ride here.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 9:27 PM

I didn't say I was FOR doing that.. I said, if We expect to get everything for so cheap, then we need to ship them out and pay the higher costs...

And slavery still exists all across the world, and our leaders fully support many nations who condone it, why? Because they import their cheaper goods to fuel American greed.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 9:30 PM

http://www.betterimmigration.com/

Fred Thompson was for immigration before he was against it. His actions in the Senate helped create the problem we have today. Look at his record and rating at the above website.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 1:38 AM

Have you ever heard of the North American Union? It is well on its way to becoming a reality. Check it out.

When it comes, our borders will include all of Canada, the United States and Mexico. Many of the now illegals will be legal just as soon as this goes into effect.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

-- Posted by dmcg on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 7:12 AM

Some did help the settlers, but can you imagine their reactions to a large crowd waving their respective countryâ*??*??s flag and demanding that Indians take care of them?

-- Posted by MyNeighbor on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 7:46 AM

There are plenty of Americans who sit around expecting everyone else to take care of them. Ride through the Government housing and you'll see what I mean. Go to a doctor's office and notice how many Americans are in line, and able to work, yet demand FREE healthcare. It's a disservice to think only illegals are the problem. And NO, the settlers did not ask the Indians to provide them their needs, they took everything from them, duh.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 8:55 AM

How can you be the most "advanced nation on earth", yet leaders, such as Thompson pride themselves on being conservative? Conservatives do not like change, do not accept cultures that are different than their own, and do not easily embrace everyday differences. You can NOT lead a country throughout the world, if you are not able to understand other governments, other culture's, or if you are not able to change.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 5:38 PM

The problem I have with illegals is that they sometimes receive services instead of those Americans "standing in line". Some of those Americans need the services because of difficulties they've encountered that are not their fault and they have actually been paying taxes to the govt and will start paying again when they get back on their feet and everything does not have to be translated to them. Also, there are services offered in the schools that are not being provided to American students.

-- Posted by neena on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 5:52 PM

Conservatives do not oppose change they only ask that change be reasoned and gradual. I think your description of "Conservatives" is stereotypical just as the description of those who label all "Liberals" as wild eyed radicals. America has become the most advanced nation on earth by the dynamic interaction of the conservative and liberal philosophies. We should make progress but not at the cost of those traditions that have made us great.

-- Posted by devan on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 8:43 PM

Ya know, gradual change wasn't the kind of change the Conservatives wanted when it came to rushing to war. They aren't slow to change tax laws to benefit corporations, they aren't slow to bail out convicted criminals...

What is something the Conservatives do gradually? Ah ha, they strip your rights away, slowly but surely. I am no illegal immigrant spokesperson. Never have been, never will be.

And Neena, exactly what president in this country has tried to provide amnesty for illegal aliens? Increased military spending, and decreasd healthcare spending? I really want to know. If all the people on this blog, REALLY are seeking this change, then perhaps they should look at who they voted for in '00 and/or '04 and not make the same mistake again.

Lastly, I think everyone who lives here should pay taxes... That's why the sales tax is efficient in that not many people avoid that tax, most every person has to pay those. I just want to know who is going to pay to send all these people to their respective country? And Nathan, there is a reason we don't have strict border patrol, one of the reasons, our National Guard, which is designed to protect AMERICA and it's borders, are off in other countries.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Thu, Oct 25, 2007, at 11:13 PM

Did I say anything about amnesty? I'm not sure why I was referred to in that statement. My point is that Americans have to pay federal taxes in addition to sales taxes and some have to also pay state income taxes and taxes for various licenses. I am not going to get into a big discussion about this. I just want my comment to stand as is and not be twisted.

Also, I believe there has been a debate regarding the National Guard on the border and why they are not allowed to use force to prevent these illegals from coming across so there has to be some there, and I thought I heard a discussion about not having enough border patrol agents.

This is not a debate about foreign policy.

-- Posted by neena on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 6:03 AM

When you refer to the President, you also need to refer to Congress--checks and balances. I believe everyone voted for a Democrat congress, but they haven't made the changes they promised either--home or abroad.

-- Posted by neena on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 6:07 AM

If all the people on this blog, REALLY are seeking this change, then perhaps they should look at who they voted for in '00 and/or '04 and not make the same mistake again.

-Pretty sure they won't, as he isn't running.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 7:12 AM

When you refer to the President, you also need to refer to Congress--checks and balances. I believe everyone voted for a Democrat congress, but they haven't made the changes they promised either--home or abroad.

-- Posted by neena on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 6:07 AM

The opposition in Congress doesn't have the votes necessary to override the veto.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 7:57 AM

-Pretty sure they won't, as he isn't running.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 7:12 AM

Wow, really? I think nascarfanatic was referring to the Republican party Laura.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 8:00 AM

Wow, really? I think nascarfanatic was referring to the Republican party Laura.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 8:00 AM

-Well maybe the comment should have been "If all the people on this blog, REALLY are seeking this change, then perhaps they should look at WHICH PARTY they voted for in '00 and/or '04 and not make the same mistake again.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 11:15 AM

Amnesty has been granted about equally by Republicans and Democrats up to now. If Bush gets his way that balance will tip. From looking at past amnesty legislation (if my math is right) Regan granted amnesty to about 3 million and Clinton covered about that many during his terms.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 3:26 PM

I don't care about the amnesty as long as they pay the same taxes I have to pay. I'm not going to argue about the politics because everyone still continues to make the same spoon-fed responses regarding the President and Congress.

-- Posted by neena on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 4:44 PM

When you refer to the President, you also need to refer to Congress--checks and balances. I believe everyone voted for a Democrat congress, but they haven't made the changes they promised either--home or abroad.

-- Posted by neena on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 6:07 AM

You want checks and balances huh? Well have you noticed your president wants to overstep the Judicial Process and he wants to veto everything passed by the Legislative Branch? How many bills did he veto prior to '04, NONE... Why? Because the Republicans, much like you, were spoonfed. Lastly, your president said himself, "I am the decider." That doesn't sound like a "fair and balanced", or should I have "checks and balance" way of thinking.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 8:40 PM

Whether you like it or not the checks and balances over the long haul really favors the congress and the judicial branches. The executive is the only branch with a term limit. Senators and congressmen can usually hang around for a good while as long as they keep feeding pork to their districts. The judges get life appointments. The president is the only one of the three that has to answer to a nationwide vote every four years. While he is in office and the congress is split fairly evenly, he does usually get to be "the decider" unless the courts rule against him. Its the system. If you don't like it vote him out.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 9:44 PM

The president is the only one of the three that has to answer to a nationwide vote every four years. While he is in office and the congress is split fairly evenly, he does usually get to be "the decider" unless the courts rule against him. Its the system. If you don't like it vote him out.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 9:44 PM

Believe me, I sure will.. And the Senators and HOR's members do not have indefinite terms, as neither do governors, mayors, etc... The President is not the decider, the people are. But HE, obviously doesn't get that the PEOPLE (well in George's case, the COURTS) put him there, he didn't elect us. Get out from under your rock, and step into the real world. By the way, what freedom is being defended when innocent people are being falsely accused. Back to Harry Potter, that book is amazing. The fact that a character is gay, will not end the world or make it any worse, those are insecure with their own beliefs, and obviously do not know their own foundation, are the one's who cry shame over very miniscual and unimportant fictional illusions.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 11:46 PM

The reason I mentioned the last part in this blog, is because I don't like posting responses in Michael's blog, he never has a rebuttal.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, Oct 26, 2007, at 11:48 PM

Didn't say they had indefinite terms only that they have no term limits. Yes the people are the decider every four years but in the interim, under the conditions I specified, the President is the decider. As discussed in some of the other blogs this is a republic and not a direct democracy so once elected the President does not have to have every decision he makes voted on by the people.

As far as the "court decided" election that's the way the system works, and there have been several studies done post that decision that say that Bush would have won anyway if a full recount had been done. And don't say there was voter fraud in Florida. I would dare say there is voter fraud in every election to some extent. That's a horrible thing and it compromises our entire political system but I am getting so tired of the Democrats and their sour grapes. A pox on both parties. I'm beginnig to hold them both in comtempt. Just don't keep complaining because the Republicans cheated better than the Democrats.

-- Posted by devan on Sat, Oct 27, 2007, at 7:48 AM

The House passed legislation to build vast border fences, force employers to verify the legality of their workers and tighten security on the nation's frontier--not included was the President's guest worker plan.--checks and balances

-- Posted by neena on Sat, Oct 27, 2007, at 7:53 AM

There are checks and balances now, because the president no longer has a blank check Congress to deal with... But before America finally woke up, in 2004, that wasn't the case.

Anyways, have a nice weekend. And don't forget to balance your checkbook.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, Oct 27, 2007, at 10:59 PM


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