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Uniforms in jails -- and schools

Posted Thursday, January 17, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Jail inmates wear uniforms. It's a form of instant identification as to their status -- and a constant reminder to them, and others, of loss of freedom.

If some officials have their way Bedford County students, the vast majority of whom will never commit a crime, will come close to experiencing undeserved loss of personal style -- one freedom we, unlike many in other countries, may cherish.

One reason given for implementing "standardized school attire" -- a step away from "uniforms" -- is to keep gang colors from being worn.

The result is to restrict the innocent along with the guilty.

Decent people shouldn't have control of their personal 'style' taken away because of the actions of a few.

When rights are taken away from the innocent, the criminals win another round. Let's allow the good people to finish on top for once.


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If some officials have their way Bedford County students, the vast majority of whom will never commit a crime

-the vast majority WILL commit crimes and not get caught. I just wanted to point that out. That doesn't mean I'm for putting them in orange jumpsuits but just making a point.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:17 AM

When I was in school, we had dress codes and I never felt that I was losing any great freedom. We could not wear jeans, had to have collars and girls wore dresses. Maybe I was irreparably scarred, but I don't think so.

Part of our social decay is from little things that keep chipping away at our values but it is never big enough to raise a big fuss. Our TV shows have degraded to a point almost ANYTHING goes. I can not imagine the fuss over Victoria Secret ads back in the 50 & 60's, but hey, what harm?

How do we ask our schoolgirls to stop dressing like 'professionals' when they have that paraded on prime time? No harm, right?

Webb students seem to do well in life, but they have dress codes during class. How do they escape the stigma of being one step away from what? Standards? Values?

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 11:28 AM

I neither agree nor disagree with the SSA that is being presented. But, I can see why we would need it. All you have to do is walk around the schools and you will see enough that should make most adults blush. Unfortunately, media has so "sexed-up" our society that it is "normal" these days to see what you see.

These children...yes, they are children and will be until they graduate...think it is okay to wear the revealing things they see on TV and unfortunately some parents go along with it. Teachers send them home, make them change, make them put on other more appropriate clothing...yet they continue to come to school that way.

Teachers already have a lot on them due to the state rules they have to follow as to what each child should be taught. They should not have to play nurse-maid and clothing inspector for kids who should know better...or should I say for parents who should know better than to let their kids leave home like they do.

-- Posted by Christian Dad on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 12:30 PM

Will Walmart have enough for everyone to buy the same type of clothing? There are some people that shop at less expensive stores ie. thrift stores, yard sales etc.

This makes it harder on them to find the same paticular type of clothes not to mention starting off they will have to buy at least 5 tops and 5 pants per child. (New wardrobe change) and Don't let the Lighter colored pants or tops get stained they will have to continue to replace them or go to school looking a mess.

If they are considered school uniforms, I wonder if the schools could pay for them? Grants? Just rambling.

Seriously I think if they have a problem with some of the childrens attire, then the Parent/Child should be told what is considered appropriate;

ie: No showing Belly buttons, cleevage, (sp?)High Thigh areas or bottom. No Tight revealing clothes, and pants pulled up at the waist.

But as far as the type of clothing, and the colors they wear, I feel is a bit to much control over what a parent HAS to spend their money on.

If they feel some kids are showing gang colors, then after careful observation the Parent/Child needs to be talked to, and told they are not aloud to were Gang colors in the schools.

Give them a warning if they don't start changing up the colors, etc. they will be suspended, or expelled if it continues. It will be the parents burden to correct then.

But IMO it is not right to make all the children have to wear the same attire, if that is trully the reason for a school attire change.?.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 1:20 PM

If done on an individual basis, it is not only time consuming, of which they have little, but also open to interpretation which opens the teachers and administrators up to ALL kinds of lawsuits, complaints, etc.

You can bet that if your child gets called in, then you are going to look at ALL the other students and say what about this, what about that. After that, the school will be accused of stereotyping, discriminating, targeting, etc. and some lawyer will LOVE to jump in on it.

I don't know about uniforms but a strict dress code is the only way to achieve the goal and survive the legal actions.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Yes you are exactly right, but that is what "This whole thing is doing right now, Sterotyping, discriminating, targeting, etc." LOOK at how they want everyone to Look..........

You've hit it right on the Nail!!!

If someone is dressed inappropriate, then it should be obvious to see. It shouldn't have to take but a second to notice someone wearing "GANG-Attire" or "Revealing Clothes" Not unless their only JOB is there to STARE CHILDREN down and nick-pick about what they are wearing.

And also, even if they do BUY these type of clothes, children will still alter and rearrange things to "Their Liking" and may not be what school officials want them to look like. So you still will have them:

"If done on an individual basis, it is not only time consuming, of which they have little, but also open to interpretation which opens the teachers and administrators up to ALL kinds of lawsuits, complaints, etc."

Not to mention:

"You can bet that if your child gets called in, then you are going to look at ALL the other students and say what about this, what about that. After that, the school will be accused of stereotyping, discriminating, targeting, etc. and some lawyer will LOVE to jump in on it."

So they will be right back were they started from.

The clothes I have bought my children (1 in paticular) Tears it, marks on it and riggs (sp?) it the way he wants it. And it drives me up a wall. This is teenage stuff. He gets punished for this, but he will continue to fix his clothes the way he likes.

Although I think the clothes looks decent, as a parent, but to some children the clothes looks to "PREPPY"; and everyone do not look right with certain clothes on.

People are different shape and sizes, and clothes tend to fit people differently thats why people buy what looks right or fits right on them...

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 6:23 PM

Why not wear what a professional business person would wear to work? Nice collared shirt, tie, and slacks, very simple.

Why does it have to be labeled as a uniform? If I had my way, everyone would be wearing tight silver jumpsuits with no underwear on.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 6:41 PM

Wow that sounded wrong, When I meant everyone I didn't mean children LOL. Meant the world as a whole. You know one of those 1970 Utopian Sci-Fis.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 7:04 PM

I dunno but I seem to think if I was a student or even a teacher, I would want to know which kids are in gangs, Wouldn't you?

Making the kids all wear the same things are not going to stop gangs, you just won't know who they are.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 7:33 PM

I personally don't have a problem with the uniform attire at school. I have two children in school one of which is in high school. Fads come and go and and right now the fad in clothing seems to be the same as when I went to school in the 70s. Same low rise jeans, back then known as hip huggers,low cut tops,see through shirts etc. and it wans't acceptable then either. It's always been and shoud always be the parents responsibility to teach what is appropriate clothing to where. The problem is the moral decline of our country and the absense of true parenting. Remember when you would come home from school and mom would always remind you to change out of your school clothes? Probably won't be a problem anymore! Remember how proud Earnest T. Bass (Andy Griffith Show) was to get his uniform?!

-- Posted by freindsaw on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 7:59 PM

Yeah but who really wants to be Earnest T Bass?

I have sit outside SCHS waiting in the afternoons many many times and Never once have I seen anyone come out of the school and ask myself "How on earth did they get through the day with that on"

Sure they dress different. But so what? No one I have seen was wearing short mini skirts or see thru tops. There are alot of Gothic kids but they aren't showing skin nor even showing their underwear. Most of them mostly wear black..but hey so did Johnny Cash did that make him bad?

We all had fads when we were kids, just like these kids do now, it didn't kill any of us and we grew out of it or at least most of us did anyway.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 8:16 PM

I don't think the "black" clothes is the complaint. And if the person don't see what is coming out of the school, perhaps they need glasses. It is pretty obivious what is wrong when you get mooned 3 times while waiting on your child.

I like the ideal of uniforms. If you have EVER had to take 4 children clothes shopping and argue over what is exceptable you would know where I am coming from. It would be so much simpler with a white shirt, slacks and off to school in the morning. If they needed color.. you can beat them black and blue (grin).

Rerserve the "pride" colors for the weekends!

-- Posted by Union on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:04 PM

Oblivious I must need glasses because I have yet to EVER be mooned while waiting outside the school.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:13 PM

Dianatn,

You never seen the guys with their jeans hanging down below their buttocks with boxers handing out for the world to see?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:25 PM

Is that what you call mooning? LOL

If that is the problem then why don't they just enforce the rules they have now? Because underwear showing is against the dress code we have Now. Instead they wish to make everyone suffer for what some few do?

That would be much like someone getting picked up for DUI and the state making everyone who drives go to DUI school.

And BTW I see those same kids at Wal-mart with their pants hanging low..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:33 PM

And Union if you wish to dress your children in white shirts and pants please by all means go ahead. If it makes it easier for you to shop for your children then do it! No one has ever told you not to dress your child the way you want to. But don't presume because your child or you are okay with somebody telling you what you MUST buy for your child to go to PUBLIC school that Everyone is okay with it also.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:44 PM

I don't have any kids...yet, but I totally support the SSA since most business consultants will tell you that you should dress for the job you want, not the one you have. At this point, a high-school student should be dressing in, at the very least, khakis and polos/button downs. If it were up to me, I'd throw a blazer on them. Most people do actually FEEL better about themselves when they dress nicer. Another reason for the Standard School Attire is cohesion. The first thing they teach you when you join the military (I'm not comparing the two, just making a statement) is that you are all the same; Black, White, Filipino, Hispanic, Asian; EVERY one of you is exactly the same..."Navy Blue", in my case. They shave your head and put you all in the same uniform. The main point of this is to take a mass of "individuals" and turn them into a "team". I'm not saying that the kids should have their heads shaved, but they are part of a team, like it or not. The main reason for the uniform was to form unit cohesion. Maybe our schools could use a bit of structure. Most kids that attend private schools have to wear uniforms and they generally do better on the standardized tests. Is that because of the uniforms? Most likely not. I would imagine that it's got more to do with the fact that their self-confidence is generally increased when they wear the uniforms. Plus they don't have the added adolescent concerns regarding what he or she is wearing or what their friends are wearing and they can concentrate more on their studies...isn't that the reason they're there in the first place?

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 10:45 PM

I think we forget just how lucky we are here in Shelbyville when it comes to our youth. We don't have gang fights nor pistol toting kids, no switch blade fights.. Rarely do we even hear of fights among the student's who disagree. We are lucky we don't have the crime most other cities have with their youth.

It seems to me we are giving our children a much tougher world to deal with than we ever thought about..terrorist was never a second thought when I was a child. People losing their homes and their jobs in large numbers was something never heard of.. Children getting a college education and then having to work in a factory was unheard of..Big brother watching your every move was your REAL big brother not the government, riots, illegal immigration, recession, A National debt that their grandchildren will still be paying, these are all problems facing our youth once they become adults. Haven't we done enough? Now we want to take away their rights as an individual..

I say Let them be children while they can they'll have enough to deal with as adults.

Until someone shows me that test scores and attendance and behavior is better at any one of the schools that has already started using SSA I will stand firmly against it.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jan 17, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Dianatn YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH THIS ONE!!!

Making students wear uniforms will not make anyone smarter, a better student, or improve test scores. It makes just as much sense as saying, well in order for my car to perform better I must paint it blue instead of red. You can change things on the outside all day long, but if you don't get into the hearts and minds of students then the battle will be lost.

I graduated with a 3.68 GPA and recently earnd Dean's List at MTSU for the Fall 07 semester and what I wore to school had absolutely no effect on either result. A change of clothes isn't going to make anyone want to learn. All it takes is for the current school boards and principals [and teachers] to enforce the rules... At Community, when you wore something scandalous you had to wear the infamous "Dress Code Violator" Shirt... Much more of a lesson than some universal outfit that all kids must wear. If schools are supposed to be preparing kids for the real world, then it's going to be ugly when they walk outside and notice nobody dresses the same.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 1:27 AM

Darrick,

And what are you majoring in at MTSU? How did High School prepare you for MTSU? And how different is MTSU from high school?

Schools are not preparing for the real world, I see it all the time. They have no idea how to interview, how to dress, write a resume, or understand respect. When a student goes to college, it is now the same thing all over again and nothing more is being taught.

Here is what you will find out after graduation. You make the same amount of money as someone without a college education. The only difference is that it will be easier to get the job.

Dianatn,

There is alot I agree with in what you are saying, Kids need to be kids. BUT in high school, this is a time of transistion. From child to adult, teens need to have responsibilites and the privileges. One if which is to go to work you should be professional, dress the part. In play, dress how you want.

I have seen 90% of the students totally unprepared for college and/or work that requires any type of education past 9th. Most of them can't spell, and alot of them cannot complete a sentence without correct punctuation or a fragment. It is a travesty, is this the solution, hell no. Honestly, you need teachers, parents, community leaders to get together and come up with a plan.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 8:54 AM

Evil Monkey

I agree it is a transition time in High School and it is hard enough being a teenager without us pushing our kids into adulthood to quickly. Wearing a uniform will not prepare them for college nor make them learn any more while they are in High School if I thought for one minute it would I would be all for it..

Just because a child does not wear a uniform does not mean they can not dress professionally.. Do you consider yourself a professional? Are you required to wear a uniform to work?

School is not a job. I don't know of any colleges where the students are required to wear uniforms, so how will wearing a uniform prepare them for college?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 10:23 AM

I didn't say a uniform, I said dress professionally. Yes, school is work, that is what we should be thinking it as, for their sake and ours. It is molding them and allowing them to find and express their interests before going to college or finding a job.

From age 14 to 18, they need to prepare themselves for adulthood. I am not saying this is supposed to be ingrained 24/7 but that thought should be there. I don't think ignoring the fact is going to help them at age 17/18 when they have to make a decision at the last minute. That kind of stress is not healthy and can lead to a life changing mistake.

I am against the SSA as a uniform, I am for a work-ethical type attire. And Yes, Jeans are work-ethical. I just don't think baggy-butt-hanging jeans are.

I hope by them instituting this plan, they start treating them more like young adults instead of prison mates. School is no longer about learning, fellowship, and expression; It is more about staying out of the way, shutting up, and don't get on someones bad side.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM

I believe even if they do have this new school attire, they are still going to have very similar problems to what they are trying to stop, or avoid.

Girls love wearing their fitting jeans, and their girlish shirts of many colors, Boys love wearing their jeans and shirts with their favorite teams or namebrand clothes, regular fit or loose fit.

I agree their should be know inapropriate skin showing or underwear and thongs, its indecent and rude.

When it comes to measuring the clothes according to the body it will be complicated with some kids, all clothes don't fit the same for everyone.

Clothes that fit my sons waist line does not fit his Bottom; so we always have to get him a size or two bigger in pants depending on how it fits him.

He wears his pants loose fit with a belt that is suppose to keep it up on his bottom, he also wears a long under shirt that stays tucked in his pants, along with a overs size shirt on top. And although it is somewhat loose fit and saggs, HE moons no-one, and shows no underwear.

I have seen kids with there pants low showing skin and underwear, or thongs and tattoos, but not in school. I have seen kids in school with clothes that are snugg fitting to the body, but don't feel offended by it.

The children that like to wear all black, will probably Die their hair black, nails black, and wear gothic jewelry, and some of the other kids will die their hair pink, or blue, or red, or wear some type of jewelry or colors with their shoes and strings, out of some kind or retaliation, or just to try and keep some type of say so of how THEY want themselves to look or be seen.

And I bet they will get sent to the office for that "Distraction/Attention" because they will say it is inappropriate school attire or inappropriate for school!...

And even though "CLOTHES don't make the Person, Knowledge Do" older children are and will be very picky about the way they look and what they wear. It will be easy for some kids to adjust to the attire change but difficult IMO to most of them. I already know there is going to be ALOT of fussing in my house with my teenager.

GEEESssss.... here we go!

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 12:39 PM

CON 1

School uniforms cut down on a students' individuality. Uniforms are not the way to cut down on school violence. An option to prevent violence is parents should pay attention to their children, not let them run wild, keep their children out of trouble, and give them consequences when they disobey.

PRO 1 to CON 1

Sometimes parents do not have time to monitor their kids. That's why they send their children to school in hopes that the school will teach them valuable things in life. What does the school suggest they do to help prevent violence? Enforce school uniforms of course. Oh, and in many news articles, statistics do show that uniforms do help reduce the number of conflicts and violence in school.

PRO 2

School is in the 'business' of learning. School is the place where the next lawyers, bankers, CPA's, and doctors are given the fundamentals of working in this economy. One of the basics in our culture, in the working world is conservative dressing, dress code, or even uniforms. What is wrong with sending our kids the message that they are in 'the business of learning' by enforcing dress codes, or even ascribing a uniform?

CON 2 to PRO 2

School is also the place where the next actors, musicians, writers, artists, designers, inventors, and politicians are trained. School uniforms send a clear, early-life message to students that conformity is important and creativity is not, that authority is allowed to abuse its' power and constrain our constitutional right of free speech and expression. Students learn from uniforms that their individuality, political opinions, and religious rights are unimportant, as is their education. Students are regularly suspended for non compliance to the uniform, even if their school work is excellent. If uniform-requiring schools were actually in 'the business of learning' this would not occur.

PRO 3 to CON 2

First off, you would never see politicians wear casual clothing. They express their ideas through their persuasive speech. That's what they aim for is for people to focus on them and not their clothing. Uniforms do not spell out "your religion/education/opinions are not important". Isn't one of the main points of having uniforms is for students to build on their inner individuality? To express their minds more freely?

CON 3

A reason not to have uniforms is for the safety of students. An Example would be during a natural disaster such as an earthquake, tornado, etc... How would a Parent I.D. their child? By the clothes they were wearing when they left home. What if a senior decides to attack a lower classmen? How would the victim describe the attacker?

PRO 4 to CON 3

Many students go to school without seeing their parents in the morning. It's either the parents are still sleeping when they leave, or the parents already left for work. Natural disasters are rare events. If you want to include rare events, then why not considered the rare occasion of if the student decides to change their clothing when they leave home, or change at school if they spill liquid stains on them? Getting attacked is also rare. The attacker would most likely change clothes after the attack to not be identified. Clothes are not the way to identify someone.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 1:05 PM

The total solution to this problem is, Make the Teachers/Board of Education/Principals wear the exact same uniform as the students.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 1:19 PM

This information was taken from AmberAlert.com

Name: ***********

DOB: 1990-01-16

Age: 17

Race: White

Gender/Sex: F

Hair Color: Black

Eye Color: Brown

Height: 5' 3"

Weight: 124

Clothing: Blue jeans with legs rolled up, blue sneakers, purple or pink reversible jacket, green striped shirt.

Other: Victim usually wears glasses

If your child is missing or Abducted Will He/She be wearing the same thing every other child in Shelbyville is wearing?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 3:04 PM

-School uniforms cut down on a students' individuality- I just have one question about that statement. Are we as parents truly saying that we have raised our childern to be so shallow that if they were similar close as everyone else that there individuality is less? This is a statement that I have heard many times through this whole thing and it bothers me because if we as parents say this or anything similar to it we are truly saying that we have raised shallow childern. I want my childern to know that they can be who ever they are in what ever they wear. I wear "professinal" clothing to work it does not take anything away from me.

If this keeps going in the direction that it is going next year at ball games you will not even be able to tell who our players are because we have put them in the same uniform and have taken away there individuality

Most of use usually wear some kind of uniform to work daily. I work in a office so I wear the correct close for that. Someone that works in a plant on the floor would not wear what I would wear to work, it is normally jeans and a t-shirt if you work at any kind of factory, guess what that is a uniform even if you do not realize it.

I myself am already buying for the SSA dress code. I am hoping that it does pass because I believe and have since I was in school that we need something like this.

As for the teachers wearing the same thing I am on the fence on that. Have you seen some of the teachers? Some of them look as young as the kids I would like to be able to pick out the teacher in a class instead of having to ask who is the teacher. I do think that they should have some kind of dress code though. I have heard many people say that Mr. Gray should have to wear the dress code as well, has anybody ever paid any attention to him? I went through school where he was the princpal or super and I have never seen him out of his tie. He goes above what they are asking of our childern.

So I think this would be great for our school system and I hope that the board does pass it.

-- Posted by happymama on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 8:29 PM

I am glad there are at least some people happy about the purposed SSA. I would hate to think that when this is over and is passed, that there wouldn't be at least a few happy about the outcome.

But what about the kids who's parents don't have the money to go out and buy new clothes for their children. You know the ones I am talking about the ones who shop at Goodwill or wear their sisters last years clothes or maybe their neighbor gives them their child's old clothes.

Do you think Shelbyville don't have those types of children in our school system? Well think again.

You won't see their voice on the internet because they live from paycheck to paycheck barely squeaking by, so there is no computer must less an internet.

Who will provide clothes for these children to be in compliance to SSA?

You may not be quite as happy when your taxes are raised to provide clothing for those who can not afford clothes or when the schools need to have more of those much hated fund raisers to clothe these children.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 9:17 PM

Just a stupid question. Is there any objective data that a SSA program such as this improves academic performance and reduces teen violence?

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 9:27 PM

Here is a study that shows the performance of test scores, behavior and attendance during SSA and before SSA was accepted.This is in Metro Nashville and Memphis Schools.

Look at the charts and see for yourself

http://schoenml.org/mpass/charles.pdf

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 9:47 PM

WHOAAAAAAAA!!! There is nothing wrong with shopping at Goodwill. I shop there quite often as well as the name brand stores. It all depends what you are willing to spend. Last year which was a hard year for our family most of my children's clothing came from goodwill. You can find nice clothing there and clothing with store tags still on them. I was even called by my child teacher and asked why I could not afford to send something that she was needing and I told her I did not have the money. She infomed me that my child was the best dressed kid in her class and just did not see how it was possiable that I could not afford what ever it was. Of course I had a few chose words for her about how it was none of her business but told her where most of my childs clothing came from. Needless to say she was shocked. So please lets not say that this is not affordable. In case any one wants to know you can by clothing at Goodwill on Monday's 10 items (of a certain tag color) for $5 and Wednesday and Sunday 99cent on certain tag color.

Also we all can find money when it is something we want so there is no reason that we can not find the money to dress our children.

-- Posted by happymama on Fri, Jan 18, 2008, at 11:58 PM

I have found just as many stats that show SSA is the best thing ever as I have that shows there is no change or very little change.

It just depends on how we as parents chose to look at it.

While I have read several of them I just really can't agree with any of the cons. Such as creativity or individuality, I do not believe that the SSA will take this away from our children.

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 12:05 AM

No one ever said shopping at Goodwill was a bad thing. Goodwill is supported by donations. How many SSA approved clothes do you think you will find in a store that is supported by donations. Considering this will be the first year it is used in Shelbyville and no surrounding counties have accepted SSA either. I would estimate the amount of approved clothes donated would be about ZERO.

IN OTHER WORDS: it means if you shopped at Goodwill for clothes for your child it was much more likely for you to find Normal everyday clothing than the standards for SSA clothing.

And $5.00 to someone who has NO money is a lot of money.

I would love to see these Stats that show SSA to be a good thing.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 12:26 AM

This week alone..

3 pair of pants for my kids

6 pair of pants for my friends kids.

5 or 6 shirts total.

oh yes it will be harder to find as many when it does pass that is why you start looking now.

I think these are old stats:

http://www.educationbug.org/a/public-sch...

http://www.communityonline.com/local/edu...

http://www.bluesuitmom.com/family/educat...

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 12:54 AM

the schools will be having "stores" for the kids that can not afford this. I believe that they said they will be asking Churches a businesses to help stock them. Just came to me I forgot about that.

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 1:42 AM

"No Pray in schools" Gone

"The clothes you want to buy and wear" Gone

"Hair cut/style/color" what's next?

"Solid color Shoes-BUDDIES" what's next?

"Same type of coats" OOPS was that already in the SSA? What's next?

"What kind of Foods you are aloud to eat" Give a inch they'll take a mile. It want stop hear. They'll find something else they want to change, or take away.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 1:49 AM

the schools will be having "stores" for the kids that can not afford this. I believe that they said they will be asking Churches a businesses to help stock them. Just came to me I forgot about that.

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 1:42 AM

Churches stocking clothing for schools?...Why would a church do anything for a school system that is not even allowed to speak about God?

And every one of the links you posted are opinions not stats. And if you actually read them they speak of as many cons as they do pros.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 10:18 AM

If you will read the second one it shows the stats for the first year at one school. Yes I know it shows pros and cons some of the cons I do not agree with. Some of the cons that are stated, if we use some of those we are saying that we are raising our children to be shallow. All of these are from 1995 - 2002 so I guess that means we as parents are really not concerned enough to make studies be done.

Why wouln't they I know that we are going to. God's people always reach out.

Many churches already help in one way or another. They said that they will be asking businesses to help also.

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 10:43 AM

Only the businesses or churches that agree with SSA will help.

If they came to my business I would think that the SSA program was the school boards baby ...let them fund it now. Many others will think the same.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Actually the link I post above is stats in Nashville and Memphis THIS school YEAR.

It shows it is not working you will not find stats of it working because it does not

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 10:54 AM

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/school_...

I was looking at this site and started thinking man sombody wrote something similar to this on the comments. This is some pros and cons there are soem in both that I do not agree with.

http://www.sjc.edu.hk/school_uniform.php

there is a college that requires a uniform

http://cbmnational.org/polls/plonepopoll....

Pole on school uniforms it is about even.

http://www.factmonster.com/pollresults?p...

this is a older poll I think it said 2001 but it was about the same as the other but it had 3 areas to vote for.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/kidusasu/u...

I think this was a poll taken by kids. I would like to see them take a poll at the schools not necessarly let the kids vote on it though.

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll...

This one shows where on schools oss went up by about 20% and anothers went down by 25% and I hope that is what happens here is oss and iss goes down, attendance and grades go up.

http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/...

just another poll (i think by kids) with some of there comments

I would like to see more factual reports over a longer period. That might change my mind about the whole school system but not my kids. The first year it could be a big change in scores and troubles at school but after that what. I haven't found anything yet that covers a 5 year or more span. I would like to see that though. What are the long term affects. If it only changes things for a year or two than it might not be worth it, and we need to look at something else.

-- Posted by happymama on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 2:08 PM

The thing about this is these clothes are not REALLY a Uniform clothes for private schools. Good! These are clothes that someone just picked out to be "More than a DRESS CODE, but less than a UNIFORM", well OK.

But "Collard shirts" Can we just say Collard shirts "OR" Neck line T-shirts Long sleeve or short sleeve with no logos larger than the 2 inches, but school logo any size OK, with solid colors, but any color shirt they want.

Black, Blue, or Brown pants, shorts, skorts for the colors. And atleast "1" shirt tucked in pants with a belt up on waist line, but may wear 1 other shirt over that must be solid color, but any color short or long sleeve, with only 2 inch logo, or school logo of any size that does Not have to be tucked in pants.

(They said): >One reason given for implementing "standardized school attire" -- a step away from "uniforms" -- is to keep gang colors from being worn<

I don't know the REAL REASON why they want to be picky about the colors. If they didn't know "Blue" is a gang color for the "Crypts".....

The young man in the picture has on a beige pair of pants "That is a magnet for Stains" and a "Blue" shirt. Does anyone know what the limited colors are?

I know it is going to be a hassle trying to find these limited type, and limited color of clothes; You are going to also have to take in consideration of ALL the DIFFERENT SIZES they'll have to keep in stock for HOW MANY SCHOOLS with HOW MANY KIDS.

This can't just be stocked for the start of the school year, they will have to keep it stocked through out the whole year. My kids are tall for their age and grow fast, not to mention very messy with markers and stuff, so clothes will have to be replaced when they are to messy for school.

I bet we will have to do alot of "TRAVELING TOO TO FIND THOSE SPECIFIC CLOTHES" Makes it a BURDEN on those that have to beg someone to drive them out of town to find clothes that may not even be their, or no size to fit her child, because they do not have drivers license or transportation.

Shelbyville is a SMALL CITY with LIMITED SHOPPING STORES, It is not like some of these BIGGER CITIES with more store access. What do you think? I'm not trying to be one-sided the clothes to me are OK but I'm not the one wearing them, nor (sp?) would I want to wear the same style clothes all week.

But even more I feel it is going to be a problem with everyone getting the clothes needed. Then we will be seeing "Bad Attendance" and kids in "ISS" or sent home "Expelled" repeat offender, Then "ANGRY PARENTS" for being "FORCED" in to these situations.

If they would adjust the standards "A little- like what I asked above" I may be more acceptable of it. I think we should have some say in what we buy, and what they wear, so that both parties will benefit.

It would have been GOOD if they aloud "A moment of silence - 1 minute" in schools, so that those people that wanted to pray could pray to themselves in silence, and those that did not want to could just sit quietly.

Compromise a little so everyone can adjust, and come to a agreement....

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 3:15 PM

School uniforms are WONDERFUL. Speaking from experience, I am an avid supporter of them. Having been a substitute teacher, the best thing would be for everyone to have to wear the same thing, therefore cutting down on the time the teacher spends "policing" the attire of todays students.

Those of you who are so opposed should go and spend one day in the halls of the schools telling the kids to pull up their pants, the girls to cover up bare midriffs, and in general getting a peep show in the hallways. I personally do not think it is the duty of the educators to police the clothes our children wear. As parents, we should have enough pride about ourselves to make sure that our children leave the house decent in their dress.

Being a single parent, I was able to provide uniforms for my two children. I can attest to the fact that IT DOES make a difference in the way the children are treated. I read a blog about all things being different, and the need to accept it. My children understand the fact that there are not many dollars extra after paying the bills, but I feel that some parents today do not teach their children respect for themselves or others. There is an unhealthy emphasis on what you do have and what others do not have, therefore the fact of not having as much as little Johnny or Susie is an avenue for school bullying.

I for one have noticed a great difference in my children's self confidence since having school uniforms and the ability of the teachers to teach, not being fashion police. As for the loss of freedom of self expression through clothing, well, they are children, will be until graduation, and many parents seldom notice what their children are wearing.

When you took the ability to disciline children, prayer, and respect out of school, we might as well be calling them child care centers. I think the school uniform will cut down on stereotyping and bullying.

And as someone said previously, the majority can find the money for things we want to do, so I think that the moeny is there for clothing our children decently for school.

-- Posted by sadabouttodaysworld on Sat, Jan 19, 2008, at 8:11 PM

Whatever, you wish to believe

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:10 AM

Policing children? Why should you be policing them? You are a teacher, not a prison guard. Who cares what they are wearing? Really, If you couldn't enforce the policy then, then how to you expect it to be enforced it with uniforms?

Your entire emphasis was about controlling the YOUNG adults, NOT children through oppression and so-called discipline. The stereo-typing and bullying never stopped once uniforms were instituted in the Metro area. It didn't stop in California either.

There was a rise in teachers harassment against student who weren't considered as their pets. And an increase in sexual assaults against students by teachers in schools that instituted a schools uniforms policy within a 5 year period.

In short, this is not going to fix ANY of the problems in the school system at all. Acutally, it produces more problems and it will cause more burden on the current system and on the parents in general.

If you want to argue about this further, go ahead but I can guarantee the children that aren't favorites will get sent home with minor policy infractions while the pets get away with far more. I do not agree with this whatsoever.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 4:03 PM

She shouldn't be policing children she is a sub not even a teacher.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 5:58 PM

I personally don't have a strong feeling on the SSA issue. I think it might make enforcement of a dress code easier but the other reasons cited for it are problematic. However, sadabouttodaysworld seems to be the only one posting here who has actually seen it from a teacher's and a parent's perspective. Can anyone else say that? Also, I wouldn't want a sub in my child's classroom it they weren't "policing". It goes with the position.

-- Posted by devan on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 6:57 PM

It is not a teacher's job to police much less a sub's job.

When a child is out of control they are sent to the principals office. When a child is breaking the dress code again they go to the principals office.

Teachers are there to teach: Prinicpals enforce rules:

Subs are just there until the teacher gets back.

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against subs but if it isn't a teacher's job to enforce rules then it surely isn't a subs.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:22 PM

--There was a rise in teachers harassment against student who weren't considered as their pets. And an increase in sexual assaults against students by teachers in schools that instituted a schools uniforms policy within a 5 year period.-- Evil Monkey I would like to see the stats on this because if this could be backed up with proof than My whole stance on this would change..

--As parents, we should have enough pride about ourselves to make sure that our children leave the house decent in their dress.-- If more parents thought this way we would not even had this whole issue..

--Momof3&3step&1gran, I do agree with what you have wrote about the dress code and altering it. It sounds good did you think of putting it together in a statement and sending it to the school board. A group of about 30 of us got together last night and we had similsr ideas as you. I just know that what the dress code that they have now is not working because there is such a list of what not to wear that if the see one kid and call them out and miss another that there will be mad parents as it stands right now if I heard correctly when they were at southside that there was 32 pages of don't wears. That is a lot for a teacher to look at and not miss someone.

-- Posted by happymama on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:24 PM

The High Schools don't even have 32 pages of Don't wear. It use to be on SCHS website but it has been removed. Looks like they have been redoing their website..so maybe that's the reason it isn't there now.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:41 PM

-if I heard correctly - is what I said about that and I am not aware if it was on the website, it might of been. I am just going off of what I recall from the meeting at southside.

-- Posted by happymama on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:31 PM

Eveybody keeps saying that it is not the teachers job to "police" but then you also say that it is there falt that these kids are not going home when they are breaking the dress code.. Come on do you want them to say something or not and if you do then that is a form of "policing".

-- Posted by happymama on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:33 PM

This is my post from the news story on the front page..

Exactly.. So dress your children the way YOU decide to.. and let the other PARENTS tell their OWN children what to wear. I am very anti conformity, and I just hate to think that Public schools have the audacity to envoke regulations that people who pay thousands of dollars in private schools do. Our Board of Education and all those who are for a Dress Code, should simply take a breather and think, "my goodness if only we were such advocates for things that really matter..."

They can hold county wide meetings about something as simple as dress codes, yet when it comes to the actual learning process, funds, etc nobody shows up. Why is that? Why have we as a society become so wrapped up in the petty little issues that we forget the true focus of purpose of school...

It makes absolutely no sense to try to enforce an SSA dress code when the current dress codes can't be properly administered. So, the "pro SSA" folks, where are the raw numbers and factual evidence to even present a miniscule reason as to the benefits? I have yet to see any substantial unwavering evidence, without bias.

You can dress a child in elaborate or dirt cheap clothing and neither one of those effect the brain. Let's focus on what schools are supposed to be doing, EDUCATING the children. We put them in cages and they each get individual results, not a single piece of clothing will ever make every student the same...

If wearing a uniform makes schools safer, improves scores, and adds value to children's school time, then why hasn't it had the same effect on convicted criminals who populate the jail cells?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:14 AM

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:42 PM

You know, there was a day when people were expected to wear only suit and ties and dresses to church, otherwise you were looked down upon... Suddenly they realized, God doesn't care what you wear, because if that's all anyone is worrying about then obviously their minds are in the wrong place, let alone their hearts...

Same can be said for schools, because the same message can be applied... I am not advocating scandalous clothing, or anything explicit, but my goodness, everyone of these people who say they want school uniforms probably are very anti-communist too huh... In this country we don'tu understand why women in some religions aren't allowed to reveal their faces, and yet we act as if it's ok to mandate our children are all restricted in the same ways.

If clothes are the most important part of your childs education, or the most important agenda for the school board, then my oh my what kind of society have we created?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:46 PM

The very same society, that in other countries we claim to not understand... perhaps?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:48 PM

It would be a teachers job to send a child she THINKS is breaking the dress code to the office it is the principal's job to decide whether in fact the child has broken the rule.

A teacher does not enforce the dress code nor do they dish out punishment that is not part of teaching it is a part of discipline which would fall in the lap of the principal.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:16 PM

>>>I just know that what the dress code that they have now is not working because there is such a list of what not to wear that if the see one kid and call them out and miss another that there will be mad parents as it stands right now if I heard correctly when they were at southside that there was 32 pages of don't wears. That is a lot for a teacher to look at and not miss someone.Posted by happymama <<<

If indeed they have a 32 page dress code then they need to take a closer look at their handbook. Southside is an elementary school what kind of problems could they possibly be having that it would take 32 pages to explain.

You want a simple dress code:

No low cut shirts of any kind male or female

No profanity written on any shirt

No drugs or alcohol symbols or writing on any clothing.

Clothing should fit properly no more than 1 size smaller or 1 size larger than your normal size.

Shirts do not have to be tucked in but should be long enough to tuck.

Clothing should be free from holes where skin is exposed.

Skirts and or shorts should be long enough to come to the end of the fingertips when arms are straight by your sides.

How much simpler could it be?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:51 PM

But that is "policing" which many of you say that the teachers should not be doing. Because we as a society only want them to do exactly what makes us happy, don't let them step out of bounds one little toe because we will be up there telling them off and trying to get them fired... True or not??

Many of us have not spent a full day in a school helping out and seeing exactly what all the teachers do have to go through with students.

What is going to happen when she sends one child that she thinks is breaking the dress code the way it is now and misses another??? Mama and Daddy are going to be up there going off on this teacher. True or not??

-- Posted by happymama on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:52 PM

South Side is not the problem, I have children in 3 different schools.

Take your list and write it up and send it to the school board I would be happy with something like that. I would think they would have to go as far as saying nothing but the little design can be on the shirts though or our teachers will still be spending more time looking at clothing than teaching.

And once again I did say if I heard correctly.

-- Posted by happymama on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:57 PM

It is much shorter than the SSA dress code.

And is very close to the dress code NOW and your not happy with it.

My daughter IS a teacher I know exactly what she goes through.They sure don't need the job of policing SSA either.

What happens when Suzie is sent home because her shirt is the wrong shade of blue or Johnny don't have a belt on but yet Georgie's teacher didn't notice he didn't have a belt on.

It is going to be the same problems.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:11 PM

Just like No Child Left Behind, we have people wanting to implement ridiculous measures to attain results that aren't attributed to more tests, or standard attire...

The military has their service men dress the same, because they are supposed to work as "one"... Sports teams, need to wear uniforms to remember who to throw the ball to. Kids in classrooms don't blend in, and don't have the choice to sign up, they also get graded as individuals, so why not let them be unique, so long as it is not explicit.

The day that a child's grade reflects what he/she wore to school, is the day you know the school cares more about appearance than learning. The same could be said, about a school board and community that are so distraught over CLOTHES... This is America, let't not forget we do still have a few choices left, just a few.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:39 PM

she is policing already she just has a wider variaty of things to look for. This should make her job easier.

-- Posted by happymama on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 6:29 PM

You see that is were you are totally mistaken.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 8:03 PM

She teaches elementary school where girls don't wear low cut shirts or boys don't wear pants hanging below their underwear. Now she'll have to look and see if they have the right color shirt on (do you know how many shades of blue there are?), a belt, make sure that they are all tucked in, and no cargo pants they must be Khakis.

Don't you see it will be more difficult to pick out someone who is breaking the dress code because these infractions will be minor things.Metro Nashville says the biggest infraction to the dress code is not wearing a belt: Imagine Your child in ISS because they don't wear a belt!!

The infractions now stick out like a sore thumb isn't it obvious when a boy has his pants hanging past his underwear or a girl has her top so low you can see her bellybutton. Can't you see a shirt that has profanity on it?

Oh wait you must see it even walking down the halls because that seems to be what you are so concerned about!

Again I say: ENFORCE THE CURRENT DRESS CODE

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 8:26 PM

Well elementary is a total different subject you are right there. But I just see it as being easier for the teachers in jr. high and high school. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Yes, I would hate for a student to be in ISS for not having on a belt. I do hope if this goes through that they do go through a adjustment period. I think that is why maybe they were asking what the parents thought. Should it say a belt must be worn, is that something we want to omit??? But instead that just have people having fits instead of trying to come to a reasonable solution for all.

Can you truly see all the infractions of the current dress code while the kids are just walking down the hall? I would not think so because they sure don't walk in a single file now do they?

There are several things that needs to be ironed out if this goes through, but just point blank saying no is not the answer either.

-- Posted by happymama on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 8:45 PM

Happymama

I have to ask this are you a school board member or maybe related to one?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 8:54 PM

Oh my goodness no. What I am is what all ya'll consider "upper class" and not liking to many people that now think that my family and I should be putting down the kind of people we use to be, you know the "middle class".

Unfortanly in this town it is all about who has the money. I have actually had parents tell me that my children should not be friends with so and so because it did not look good for or kind.. I thought that crap was just on t.v. How could people truly be that cruel to kids. Yes I have actually witnessed parents encouraging there children not to be around such and such because they are no like us. My view is my good fortune could be gone in a week a month or a year.

So I still hold strong roots to where I come from and know that any change is better than none. You know the same kids that do this probably have the parents that done this and there parents were probably told the same.

Though those are not all of my reasons for wanting the SSA Dress code.

Sorry hope that was not to much info.

-- Posted by happymama on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 9:48 PM

Yeah, really I wasn't concerned with what "class" you are from because most "upper" class don't really refer to themselves as "upper" class nor do they shop at Walmart or Goodwill. And I never referred anyone as "upper" class(including you) those were your words. Quite honestly I could care less what "class" you are from. I have friends that are some of the richest in town and some friends that are very close to poverty. Personally I see no difference in any of them except where they go.

My entire reasoning for asking was -why do you think for one minute that YOU or ANYONE else who isn't on the school board or related to someone who is, could have anything omitted from the SSA program.

Just because the school board is "allowing" parents to voices their views does not mean they are actually going to change anything about it.

Metro Nashville has the exact same SSA dress code word for word. Where do you think Shelbyville got it? Nashville had the same little meetings we have and a large amount of the parents opposed to it, did it matter? NO it didn't because just like our board their minds were made up from the get-go.

So what we have is 9 people on a school board deciding what is best for EVERY child in Bedford County.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jan 21, 2008, at 10:19 PM

Dianatn, I believe it is a done deal too, I think they are just seeing how many and what kind of complaints they are going to have to deal with once the school attire is in affect, so they can be prepared and make sure they are legally safe with what they are MAKING US DO.

And I don't think they will adjust the standard attire for parents & students, because then it will be different from what other schools standards are. And that will cause more arguments.

Shelbyville is a small city compared to some of the other cities, if an OVERWELMING group of ANGRY parents are speaking out AGAINST this as a Un-necessary change, that will affect their finance, place of shopping, and would benefit nothing but the "Same Out-comes" that is taking place; and may even cause other children that usually dress appropriate to be missing school days or ISS, if Not enough SSA is "KEPT IN SHELBYVILLE".

Then the BCSB may see this is not a good idea for this town at this time.

Some people can not go out of town to shop, (Transportation Issues) Shelbyville "DOES NOT HAVE ALOT OF STORES TO BUY CLOTHES FROM"!!!

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, Jan 22, 2008, at 12:33 AM

Don't know why you are even arguing about it anymore, when they pass this policy, everyone that opposing doesn't have to comply. Simple as that. If everyone doesn't comply, are they going to send home all the students?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 22, 2008, at 12:23 PM

You are right Evil Monkey but have you seen the proposed punishment for violators?

Here is what it says:

First Offense

1. A student whose clothing or accessories violate the Standard Attire Policy may be removed from class with a chance to correct and return to class.

2.Such correction may include use of school-provided clothing

if available, until the end of the school day. If such correction is not obtained, the student may be removed to in-school suspension either for the remainder of the day or until a parent or designee brings an acceptable change of clothing to the school.

3.The infraction will be communicated to the parent or guardian.

Second Offense

1.One day of in-school suspension.

2.For elementary school or in unusual situations, the in-school suspension may take place in an alternative setting as determined by the principal.

3.The infraction will be communicated to the parent or guardian.

Third Offense

1.One day of in-school suspension.

2.An "overnight" or "provisional" suspension. This one-day, out-of-school suspension is waived if parents accompany the student to the school the following morning for a conference with the principal or his/her designee.

3.The infraction will be communicated to the parent or guardian.

Subsequent and Repeated Infractions

Repeated violations of the Standard School Attire policy will be treated as disruptive behavior and/or defiance of school authority. These violations may result in out-of-school suspensions as prescribed in the Student Code of Conduct, Disciplinary Due Process.

So this means an otherwise good student who has never had problems at school could very well be put into ISS or even OSS for not conforming to SSA.

So I don't see it as a choice.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Jan 22, 2008, at 1:31 PM

So let me get this straight, they will deter my child from learning because of what they deem as appropriate? Isn't that against federal law? No Child Left Behind? Seems they are more concerned with someones clothes than their learning potential.

This is called Oppression people. Can you not see what they are doing? IF 70% of the people that do not agree to this DOES NOT comply, They CANNOT enforce!

This is the same premise at what Martin Luther King, Jr. did when he marched into segregated restuarants, bathrooms, and towns that didn't agree with his beliefs. Why can we not do the same here?

"Repeated violations of the Standard School Attire policy will be treated as disruptive behavior and/or defiance of school authority. These violations may result in out-of-school suspensions as prescribed in the Student Code of Conduct, Disciplinary Due Process."

Disciplinary Due Process? ROFL like we had some vote on this crap? It isn't Due process if we cannot vote. As you can see we have NO CHOICE in the matter. This is a method of control, oppression and fear. But if there is enough people that want to protest it, then don't abide by them. Simple as that.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 22, 2008, at 4:03 PM

EXACTLY... The current president has taught this nation that we are just supposed to sit around and let our leaders decide things, that they were NOT ELECTED to decide...

That, like evil monkey said, is why you had people like Martin Luther King Jr. who spoke up when injustice and violence persisted, he revolutionized America.

This dress code thing, is absolutely a waste of time and resources... To ANYBODY on the school board, WHY DO YOU CARE ??? Make your schools ENFORCE the current policies, it is rather simple. If you want to keep your positions, I recommend you reconsider because the power of the people can stand up to the power of the purse...

This isn't necessarily evil, but this quote is appropriate, for this and many issues...

"EVIL TRIUMPHS, when GOOD men do NOTHING!" We, as a community, a people, a county, and a state do not have to sit back and let the governmnet mandate the most simple freedom in the world, WHAT WE CHOOSE TO WEAR! It's funny how we are fighting wars with clashing cultures, where women have no authority, and must adhere to dress restrictions, yet because our kids don't get to vote and have no political power, a bunch of shady adults who should be caring about the EDUCATION, seem to only focus on their ATTIRE... It says all you need to know about this country, the state, and some cities, who think clothes make a difference in to the mind. GET A GRIP!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Jan 22, 2008, at 8:38 PM

To those of you who are so certain what the school board will do let me ask you this........what if they really are listening to what the people are saying? What if they decided not to go through with SSA? How do you know they are only interested in attire? The board members seem like intelligent adults, they had to know the community would have strong opinions so why would they put themselves out for public ridicule when they could have easily just passed SSA with little or no discussion and certainly no public input.

-- Posted by Go Figure on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM

Go Figure,

2 reasons we are certain:

#1 reason: We are so certain is the past history of decisions made by the board.

#2 reason: Some of us live in reality, not some fantasy lala land where everything is lolipop dreams and cotton candy mountains.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:12 AM

I guess only time will tell whether the School Board was actually listening or not..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:19 AM


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