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Racism at the polls

Posted Tuesday, February 19, 2008, at 9:30 AM

Old traditions apparently die hard.

Exit polls allege (and note the "allege" -- I'm not entirely sold on exit polling) much of Hillary Rodham Clinton's primary support comes from older white women and lower-paid white workers -- those some claim would be less likely to back a black candidate.

Clinton won much of the South, including Bedford County, by a hefty margin.

Are these indications some white people, especially below the Mason-Dison line, are still too bound by prejudices to look past someone's color and see their character and ability?

I've heard some who claim just that, and a few who seriously believe that Obama is a secret Muslim just waiting to try and remake the United States in cooperation with terrorist groups. Some even dislike his name. And their feelings against him run strong.

We'll only truly become enlightened as a nation when voters base their choices strictly on a candidate's ability and move beyond prejudices.

Obama may or may not be the one who should next lead our country. But race and name shouldn't be the determining factor.


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I think it goes the other way around too . . . I know many black Americans who are voting for Obama simply because he is black. Isn't that racism too?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:24 AM

For me, a southern white woman from bedford county....I don't care for either of them.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:25 AM

I dont either Laura. I would love to vote for someone that is a minority but I believe the person should be qualified to do the job and the best at it and I dont think any of them have any real potential.

You should never vote by skin color or gender . . . it should be based on who you think is the most qualified to do the job.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:43 AM

I liked Ombama until Oprah backed him, now it seems that since she's backed him that he's shot up in the polls. But really, I didn't have a favorite of the two, and I'm still not completely decided.

-- Posted by cfrich on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:45 AM

You'll find racism when you look for it.

Last election, some people felt that Harold Ford didn't win due to racism, and some people said that they were soooo disappointed and ashamed that Tennessee couldn't vote for a black candidate.

Bedford County vote tallies had a narrow victory for Corker, BUT had an overwhelming victory for Eugene Ray, the county mayor.

This, in my eyes, made the whole accusation of racism a bunch of BS.

And I'm still not convinced a half white/half black person is 'just' black.

I'm open to any logical answers though.

-- Posted by espoontoon on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:56 AM

Well I suppose since I don't care for either of them that not only makes me racist but also sexist. Ha.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:58 AM

I definitely agree with jaxspike on this one! There are a whole lot more blacks who will support a candidate or contestant (i.e. beauty contests etc..) based ONLY on the fact that they are black than their are people who will NOT vote for them for the same reasons. I think we live in a time where there is more reverse discrimination than many are willing to admit.

I'm not saying racism is non existent in this day and time. I don't think anyone is that naive. I'm only stating that it isn't one-sided the way it was once perceived to be.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 1:14 PM

I am half black and half white and married to a Hispanic man, so I say up front I am not racist. I have a connection to 3 races and do not prefer one over the other.

My grandmother, whom I did not know even existed until I was 19 years old lived in Chicago. I found her because I was looking for answers from my past. She was my mother's mother, who was black. I went to visit her in Chicago and she seemed somewhat displeased that I had even contacted her because I was half white. But she allowed me to visit with her just the same. I stayed 4 days in a Chicago Hotel about 2 miles from where she lived. She ask me on Saturday if I would like to attend church with her and I thought she was trying to be nice. We attended Trinity Church of Christ which seemed like your normal church upon entering. There were several white people in the church but my grandmother said they mostly had connections to the black race through family or marriage. I am not sure why she felt the need to tell me that piece of information because I would have never ask such a question. When the pastor began to speak, he screamed so loudly that I was actually frightened. He talked of Black Power and Blacks being equal in all aspects of life. How the Blacks must stand up against the white race that had held them down. He preached at us for over an hour and not once did I hear the name of God mentioned nor did I hear any Bible scriptures read. When they prayed, they prayed for Africa not America. When I left Chicago it was the last time I ever saw or heard from my grandmother. Late last summer I received an email from a friend with a link to my Grandmother's funeral announcement, it made me sad that she had died, it also made me sad that I was not even listed as being her grandchild. In the end though I think I realized why my mother had given me away. I think my grandmother hated her for getting pregnant by a white man. My trip to Chicago didn't answer any real questions about my parents but it did make my heart a little lighter just knowing what my mother was dealing with at home.

I tell you this story not because of who I think you should or should not vote for that is your decision and yours alone. I tell you this to say, blacks can be and are just as much racist as any white or Hispanic. We all feel our race is superior to another race but we that are caught in the middle of more than one race find no medium. If I say something about Obama I am a racist against my black heritage and if I say something about McCain I am a racist against my white heritage if I say something about Hillary then I am a sexist against my own gender. So I say nothing..

I am sorry if I have bored you with this comment.

-- Posted by donna37160 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Donna,

You did not bore me, I found your comment one of the more interesting I have ever read.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:45 PM

Likewise Donna, no boredom, and much interest. We experienced some of that within our family when our brother married a Japanese girl while in the Navy. Dad carried a grudge from WWII and Mother thought she was just wanting to get to the U.S.

Turns out they STILL live in Japan. One of their sons graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and the other from Vanderbilt. Both served and are serving in the U.S. Navy. Yoko turned out to be a wonderful wife and mother.

My parents eventually learned that and accepted her as true family. One of their sons actually had a reverse grudge against my father for many years, but now that they are gone..........

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Thanks for sharing Donna. I find your story very interesting.

I read an article once about how growing up bi-racial was especially hard on children due to neither race accepting the child socially.

I think it is great that someone like Obama has been embraced by all people. I'm still curious why the press considers him a 'black' candidate.

-- Posted by espoontoon on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM

One thing I like about the "mongrelization" we've had these last few years is that we have more people who belong to more than one race or culture.

They can bring the best of all their heritage into play plus they mess up with many of the narrow-minded stereotypes.

(Any time someone has to ask "What are you?" before they can determine your worth,you've forced them to see you as an individual human being.)

These multicultural times are creating a blended generation that has its own feel but they can preserve (rather than dilute or eradicate) the diverse heritage that brought that generation into being.

Who knows?

Donna's descendants might wed Yoko's and produce youngsters that we identify by their wisdom and character instead of skin color,hair texture,body type and facial features.

They could have pride in their legacies from several groups and be a source of pride to all their families.

Too many people have feared amalgamation as a means of destroying the unique virtues of various people.

It could do that-or it could spread those virtues to a larger group so that they would be treasured and respected by even more people.

That "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination" could erase some of the meaningless divisions that prompt us to value labels over leaders.

We aren't so much a melting pot as a cauldron of "stone soup".

When everyone pitches in what they have,the result is made healthier and more flavorful with each addition.

I hope to see a time when we can dispense with our illusions and look at people and policies according to their actual merit rather than the pigeonholes they've been stuck in.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 5:04 PM

Obama won Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Virginia, Louisiana, and Kansas... all of which are pretty southern states/ or huge farming lands.

Many will say that this is because the populations had more blacks in the electorate, yet white's are still the majority in everyone of those states. So, no I don't think race or gender is really as big an issue as the media would want us to think.

It's their way of trying to divide people on obvious differences. What's truly amazing is that, in a majority of these states more people have voted for Obama alone, than all the Republicans combined. If you add Hillary into that mix, the number of people voting for Democrats outnumber those who vote for Republicans by nearly 4 to 1.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:16 PM

Donna,

First off, that was an excellent entry. I really enjoyed reading it and learned a lot from it.

I want to prelude my opinion on your situation with a few factual statements before opinions are formed of me. I am a white male. I have many black friends who I socialize with on a regular basis. One of my best friends ever was a black man who I spent almost every weekend with for a few years, going to pool halls and clubs hanging out together. I have many co-workers who are black and value their friendship greatly! My kids have black friends who often spend the night at my house. Their is not a racial bone in my body, but......

I do not agree with races mixing for the exact reasons you mentioned. Their off-spring are never fully accepted by either race. There is to this day, strong prejudices from all races and those kids without a true racial origin have a very hard time finding their place among other races. Mixed couples are totally acceptable this day and time and I personally wish it wasn't as "acceptible" as it is today. I don't feel that a white person isn't good enough to date a black or vice versa, I only hate the problems that these mixed marriages cause for their offspring. Your situation is exactly what I am referring to.

Now, as to the insight I gained from the beliefs of Obama's church. I had suspected all along that this was in all likelihood the mindset we were dealing with. I fully expect a lot more light to be shed on this once he has won the democratic primary.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 8:05 AM

I think too much emphasis has been placed on the fact that Obama is a black man! Why does that matter, if he's qualified to do the job? Much emphasis has been placed on Hillary because she's a woman. Is she qualified to do the job? I have no problem with a black man nor a woman being President of the United States. Forget he's black, and ask yourself, do we need a man who slumps, turns his back to our flag, and who says he won't be sworn into office on the Bible, but his Koran, in office as President of the United States? Our nation was founded on Christian principles of the Bible, but from what I hear about this man, he doesn't believe in these things.

He's from the culture of the very people that invaded our nation 7 years ago. He is not a black man, but comes from their genelogy. I think we all should give this a lot of thought instead of listening to empty promises, of the changes that are going to be made in our nation. He promises to make a "change", are we sure what changes he'll make?

I am truly undecided who will get my vote this year. I am not a "party" person, but try to vote for the person I believe will do the job the American people need and support Christian values in their decisions. I hope more Christians will get behind this and try and keep this man out of the most prestigious office in our Nation.

-- Posted by What'sright? on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 8:48 AM

All those things "from what you hear" are from so-called Christians spreading around lies b/c of their incessant fear of minorities. It didn't take much time to type three paragraphs here, so take the same amount of time to visit www.snopes.com. You will realize how unsubstantiated and biased those reports are. Our nation was not founded on Christian principles, in fact there was hardly ANY religion when America began as the 13 colonies. If you really think we were founded on "christian principles" then I suggest you show me the pages in the Constitution whereas anyone running for public office must be of the Christian faith, it's not in there, because contrary to popular "belief" particular religions didn't matter. You have that whole story wrong, just like you do about Obama. And about Obama being "of the very people that invaded our country 7 years ago." Eh, Saudi Arabians attacked two buildings 7 years ago, and they look nothing like him. But that doesn't even matter because if we judge ONE person based on his race or country affliation.

The same Christian's who will "try to keep this man out of office" will be the same one's who put a fear mongerer, liar, thief, and criminal in office. So really, their faith based judgements have no merit, because obviously it didn't pay off for the last 8 years.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 10:31 AM

I pulled a few bills out of my wallet just now and found a very similar slogan on all of them..."In GOD we trust!"

Seems logical that a country with this type of slogan on their currency has a pretty firm belief in Christian values..

I do think your being a bit hypocritical though, Nascar. I'd be the first to admit that I'm terribly disappointed with the job Bush has done the last 8 years, but please don't base your opinion of all "Christian" politicians on a poor job done by Bush.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Hmm, so you spend your money on trivial, useless and ridiculous things, and simply because it says "In God We Trust" you think that makes us a nation founded on Christian philosophies. Please, our money is worth nothing to god.

I'll tell you this much, the United States prints money out of thin air, nothing backs it. We owe over 9 trillion of "In God We Trust" dollars to people who will never see it. Credit cards, checks, money orders, etc etc etc, NONE of those are stamped with "In God We Trust" on them, but I bet you spend them just as easily.

By the way, please tell me when the Dollar was DESIGNED. "Only Gold and Silver shall be legal tender" according to the Constitution. So "a bit hypocritical".. that certainly isn't me. A little more educated than you, perhaps.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:02 AM

Hmm, so you spend your money on trivial, useless and ridiculous things, and simply because it says "In God We Trust" you think that makes us a nation founded on Christian philosophies. Please, our money is worth nothing to god.

I'll tell you this much, the United States prints money out of thin air, nothing backs it. We owe over 9 trillion of "In God We Trust" dollars to people who will never see it. Credit cards, checks, money orders, etc etc etc, NONE of those are stamped with "In God We Trust" on them, but I bet you spend them just as easily.

By the way, please tell me when the Dollar was DESIGNED. "Only Gold and Silver shall be legal tender" according to the Constitution. So "a bit hypocritical".. that certainly isn't me. A little more educated than you, perhaps.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:02 AM

The whole point, which you obviously missed is that we as a nation would not of put that on our currency if "Christian Beliefs" weren't predominant in this country! I'll not get into a argument with you over who is more educated, because if you have a college degree you win.. Where that is relevant in the conversation, I don't know, but if it makes you feel like a bigger man then so be it.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you over Obama's worth as a candidate, because quite frankly I'm not excited about any candidates including him. We are most likely seeing the poorest crop of presidential hopefuls there has been in many years. GOD will need to help this country no matter who manages to take the oath of office.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:54 AM

I certainly agree with you on that one Dolittle

There is no one worth voting for..it makes me unhappy that this was the best we could come up with. Maybe someone will come out of the woodwork and run as a 3rd party.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 12:31 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/oba...

This link takes you directly to the Barack site. PLEASE read this before passing judgement on a man based on a bogus e-mail everybody in the country has recieved a million times. HE IS NOT MUSLIM AND MUSLIMS DID NOT ATTACK US....SAUDI ARABIA DID. ALL of the terrorist were Saudis, yet we aren't attacking them now are we?

-- Posted by dc_0725 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 12:35 PM

I think it is great that someone like Obama has been embraced by all people. I'm still curious why the press considers him a 'black' candidate.

-- Posted by espoontoon on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM

If Obamas' father is a Black-African, and his mother is American or white American, then his race would be considered "African-American". Most African-Americans are called Blacks. This is why Obama is considered black. Now if his father was "African-American" (AKA) black and his mother was white he would be considered "mixed" or bi-racial.

As for donna37160, I'm sorry for what you had to go through with your grandmother, and this "Paticular Church", especially since this is the same church that someone who is trying to run for president is a member of. Their IS racism in ALL races.

From what you have said, this church sounds as if they are of oppressed people. And if there was trully NO preachings of the word of God, then I very seriously doubt this is a Christianity Church, sounds more like a group of Hatemongers.

Oppressed people are racist towards their oppressor.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.co...

You mentioned that their was several white people in the church that your grandmother said was their through family or marriage; "I AM VERY SHOCKED" that these white people were at this church that saids "Black Power, and Blacks being equal in all aspects of life. And that blacks must stand up against the white race that had held them down" Did these people get up and leave, or their Family? That is very strange to me, I could not go to a church that would be this way, nor be married to a family that attends a church like that.

Dolittle you said their is not a racial bone in your body but...... Mixed couples are totally acceptable this day and time and I personally wish it wasn't as "acceptible" as it is today.

Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 8:05 AM

these are contradictive statements.

In the past mixed races were looked down on, and the children had a hard time adjusting to the 2 races. "That was then" Now there is "SO MANY OTHER RACES IN THE US" that mixed race children blend right in with all races. Now in some of the southern parts of town, where more racism exists there will be negativity.

And also the dollar bill saids "In God we Trust" not in "Christ" we trust - this is where Christianity comes in.

There are many religions that belive in God, but not all in Christianity. So your "In God We Trust" theory is not useable here.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 1:16 PM

And also the dollar bill saids "In God we Trust" not in "Christ" we trust - this is where Christianity comes in.

There are many religions that belive in God, but not all in Christianity. So your "In God We Trust" theory is not useable here.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 1:16 PM

EXCELLENT STATEMENT!!! LOVE IT..you are right on the money (no pun intended)

and about dolittle's contradiction,I wasn't going to say anything when I saw that, but yeah, it is blatantly obvious.

-- Posted by dc_0725 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 1:46 PM

You can call it what ever you want. Fortunately I don't have to answer to either of you when my time if over on this earth. Anytime you take someones comments out of context you can paint them however you choose!

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 1:56 PM

You said our money has "IN GOD WE TRUST" on it, Momof3&3step&1gran pointed out that it doesn't say in christ we trust. Having GOD on our money does NOT make this a Christian nation built on Christian principles. It means we trust in GOD...PERIOD. She nor I took your comment out of context. It is what it is.

And you sir, contradicted yourself," I am not a racist" but on the other side saying that you wished mixed marriages weren't as "acceptable" sounds a bit racist if you read it through someone else's eyes.

-- Posted by dc_0725 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:03 PM

HE IS NOT MUSLIM AND MUSLIMS DID NOT ATTACK US....SAUDI ARABIA DID. ALL of the terrorist were Saudis, yet we aren't attacking them now are we?

Posted by dc_0725 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 12:35

Just so you know Saudi Arabia is entirely a Muslim nation

From wikipedia:

The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Islam is the official religion; the law requires that all Saudi citizens be Muslims. Religious freedom is virtually non-existent. The Government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice. The public practice of non-Muslim religions is prohibited

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_r...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Dolittle

You're right. This country is founded on Christian values. Men a long time ago actually believed in God and didn't have a lot of negative influence that people have today. They respected God and the world was a better place. Don't listen to these people on these blogs. They will argue til the cows come home.In many official government documents, the word God is used many many times. God is on our money, on the seal, used in Court Rooms, and we as Christians need to fight to keep it that way.

-- Posted by christiangirl on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:12 PM

We acknowledged that GOD is on our money, NOWHERE does it say CHRIST which is the very foundation of the Christian Religion. Noone is disputing God. You can believe in God and not in Jesus, just ask a someone of the Jewish faith.

God means different things to different people. That is why "In Christ/Christianity" we trust is not on our money, not on government seals and not in the courtrooms.

-- Posted by dc_0725 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:29 PM

So, about racism. It was mentioned somewhere on here by someone (pardon me for not copying and pasting) that sometimes mixed children are not accepted by one race or the other. Let me say this, as a younger person, I do not care what a person is only who they are. I am white, ALL the white ppl are never going to accept me, some will just as some black people will. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me. The older generations are the ones that remain hung up on "mixed babies". Intolerance comes from home. Meaning, children are taught to accept or not from their parents. "Society" not accepting them is a bunch of bullcrap.

I do not like Obama, it is not b/c he is black, or half black or 1/16th black. It's because I am entitled to my own opinion and in my opinion I don't think he has the ability to run this country. I do not like Hillary, it is not b/c she is a woman, or half a woman or 1/16th a woman (ok, that last part was a joke) it's b/c I don't like her, I don't have to and I don't want to.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:45 PM

christiangirl on here again, defending people who have been pointed out for contradicting themselves... It seems to be her thing though, since Jesus was both a descendant of David [through geneology] but at the same time born unto a "virgin"...

Dolittle

"In God We Trust" and in Christ We Trust are different things... You never got to Nascar's question though of when the dollar was designed. Did you find out?

Whatsright?

Saying you're not racist and then being upset that mixed races were so acceptible is the pot calling the kettle black. [no pun intended] If you aren't racist then you wouldn't care if a black person married an Asian, a Caucasian American, a hispanic or the like. You would keep your mouth shut or your fingers tamed from making any remarks along the lines. You aren't saying that because of what the children have to go through, you are saying this because you don't like the idea of colors mixing. So for

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM

I agree with all of what Laura says in the first part... But none of what she says in the second, because if you don't think someone can run the country, you should be able to tell us why!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Nascar, the country in which I live doesn't require me to disclose that if I chose not to.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:00 PM

Usually when people say "I don't think a person is qualified to run the country..." yet, have NO IDEA what the qualifications are. If he didn't meet the qualifications, he wouldn't be running.

Oh, and the country you live in, believes in taking away the rights of its own citizens while somehow protecting those in other countries. I wouldn't go about braggin about the U.S. as some representation of freedom.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:19 PM

"I don't think he has the ability to run this country"

I said nothing about being qualified legally to do so.

Fact is, I don't have to tell you why I don't like the maple tree in my front yard but I can tell you that I don't like it. I only have to tell you what I want to. In this case, I chose not to get into a argument about the best candidate (partially b/c i don't believe there is one so far) and the way to avoid that is to avoid telling you things that are none of your business. Such as, why I don't like certain people.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:31 PM

None of my business... LOL. Oh how I forget these are PUBLIC forums that you so willingly comment on, yet can't answer questions simply because you don't have any answers that you'd be proud to share.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:32 PM

I have answers that are none of your business..... these are most certainly public forums, on which I chose not to disclose my social security number, address or date of birth. So, it is my choice not to tell you things I don't care for you knowing, in this case I believe it is none of your business, so try as you may I will not tell you. Good day.

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Mom Of 3:

That , so far, has been the best and most logical explanation I have heard yet.

Thanks!

-- Posted by espoontoon on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 3:43 PM

man, women, white, black, republican or democart.....I just wished we had someone worth a dang that was running.

lets face it guys...we are in big trouble all the way around!

-- Posted by punkin1129 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 4:41 PM

Would Steve Mills know how to transplant that maple tree?

I get along well with most trees.

If they don't trip me with their roots or tear up my house,I try to curb my critters and the chainsaw-wielding madmen who cause all the witches' brooms.

Maybe we should apply a "gold standard" to ourselves and our currency.

Have some intrinsic worth instead of a label that declares that X amount of value exists just because some high muckety much says so.

Steel,nickel,copper,plastic...

It matters less what the substance is than whether there is a reality that backs up what it claims to offer.

A person or coin of the realm that has true value plus the support of a legitimate power has something to offer society.

Take away those two characteristics and all that's left is a counterfeit.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 5:26 PM

This comment is directed to Darrick the Great, ruler of these boards. I don't need you or anyone else telling when, where, or how I should speak or think.

My white daughter's best friend happens to have a white mother and a black father. I love this child as my own and see on a daily basis the things this child goes through because of the situation she was put in. She did not choose to be a child of "mixed" background, but she is still judged by others because of it. You can cast stones at me all you want. Not a problem! You can call me racist if that is makes you feel better. I plainly stated why I opposed inter-racial marriage and it had NOTHING to do with my personal beliefs on the subject. It had EVERYTHING to do with what I see this little girl deal with. If society was more accepting of her situation, then I'd have no problem with it. I ONLY oppose it because it puts innocent children in a tough environment. Perhaps you should approach some of these "mixed" kids and find out first hand what they have to deal with before you start passing judgement on me!

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 6:15 PM

Everyone is entitled to feel and believe the way they want to. Everyone has been through and experienced different things to make them believe the way they do; and there is nothing wrong with that. The only time what a person feels or believes "MAY" be a problem is when it is "acted out" and hurts, or deprives another from something. This can be with words or Actions.

Dolittle don't think I'm trying to beat up on you because I am not. You may have seen some things that I have not seen with bi-racial children. I have mixed relatives on both sides of my family (moms & dads) they are my family my bloodline and I love them no matter what the race/color.

I look at it this way, people can not help who they fall in love with. If God has put a couple together who am I to tell them they should not be together, and if they had children out of love then may all of God's Blessings be with them.

As for Obama, if people do not feel confident with him as president that is their choice and their right to, no explanation needed. Maybe he has not been around or heard of enough to some, that makes them not feel confident to elect him. And if they feel nervous of him possibly being muslim their is nothing wrong with that. No one should have to play Blind eye to what is said fact or false. If it is true of his father being muslim, and it is true his name is muslim, "THAT" can make a person question his religion or his agenda for being president. They have that right. And if they feel safer not voting for him they have that right too.

Religion should not be a part of being president, they "SHOULD BE SEPERATE" and any time a president steps outside of being president for USA and begins leaning too much on religion, or culture their should be someone in Govt. above them, to "MAKE THEM GET BACK ON TRACK" or make them step down. Is there such a thing in place for that?

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 7:30 PM

DoLittle, just going by your screen name I understand that we live in the same city. Or at one point, may have. I am not the "ruler of these boards", contrary to your obvious lack of attention. I may be wrong but on this particular thread, you have posted 6 times, me on the other hand ONCE [now twice]...

I asked you if you found out about when our currency was designed, because nascarfanatic asked you and you never answered. I actually asked "What'sright?" about the mixed children scenario, but meant to direct that question towards you. But since you responded to the question that I asked another blogger I will just assume you aren't the same one.

But anyways, this really sums this blog up. If racism wasn't an issue at the polls, or in marriages, or wherever, then we wouldn't bring it up. How can any of us expect this confusion and segregating ideas to ever end, if we continue to say that we're not racist, yet just because the child is of a mixed origin we don't think mixed marriages should be acceptable? Just an idea. If you want to change this horrific idea that ineterracial marriage shouldn't be accepted [again, just because the children aren't fully accepted] then your goal should be to educate people about tolerance and understanding instead of living in the mindset that never changes anything.

As for the elections, we may as well elect a member of the Chinese dictorial regime, because YES they own us. Believe it or not, they do.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 PM

Christiangirl and DoLittle, I have done a bit of homework and would like you to take some notes... Now please remember this, so the next time you make remarks you'll seem a bit smarter ;) [though there is no guarantee]

The Constitution makes no mention whatsoever of any deity. In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist Papers, the Supreme Being is mentioned only TWICE. In the Declaration of Independence, the Big Guy gets TWO brief nods: A reference to "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God," and the often quoted line about men being "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

If the Founding Fathers were Christians and they wanted to establish a Christian nation, then why didn't they mention Jesus Christ EVEN ONCE in a document that they knew would be the cornerstone and foundation of the emerging democracy? That's like Marx writing the "Communist Manifesto" without mentioning "socialism".

PLEASE NOTE:

In God We Trust" did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and "under God" was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954.

If we really want to abide by the spirit of the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence -- we will put an end to all this foolishness about bringing back God into our public schools. Those who imagine a Christian America would be paradise, would be well advised to consider the theocracies of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Yours truly,

Lesson Learned

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:09 PM

Also, "In God We Trust" didn't appear on currency until 1957.

I don't like LauraSFT. Why? None of your business.

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:50 PM

Me either... I have no reason, but.. it's none of her business!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:53 PM

This actually has nothing to do with racism But I couldn't find nowhere else to put it that it fit into.

Someone sent me this video clip and I found it rather interesting...what do you think about it?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 1:05 AM

LOL! And you're entitled to that opinion, and on top of that, your opinion carries the same amount of weight with me that mine carries with Clinton and Obama. =)

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 7:07 AM

I knew exactly who your question was directed to, that is why I answered it. I have no idea who "Whatsright" is, but can assure you that he/she and I are not the same person.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 8:24 AM

It's very interesting to see the comments posted. For your comments of my being racist, I am not. I believe each and every person of every race has their purpose in this life and all are created by God, and according to God's Word, we are to love our neighbors. That includes people of all races. There's no question, that there are good and bad people in all races, and the number of bad folks seems to grow day by day. I am a Christian and definitely will not change my beliefs.

-- Posted by What'sright? on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 9:51 AM

What'sright?,

Is spreading complete lies about someone part of your "beliefs"? If not, go back and read your first comment, then check your facts.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Yeah, spreading lies definitely seems to be a thing for all of this supposed Christians on here.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 6:03 PM

I knew exactly who your question was directed to, that is why I answered it. I have no idea who "Whatsright" is, but can assure you that he/she and I are not the same person.

-- Posted by Dolittle on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 8:24 AM

I notice how you continue to answer questions that weren't directed to you, yet ones that were you consistently ignore. I'm still waiting on you to tell me when our current money was designed. Please and thank you! Richard has already stated that "In God We Trust" was not added to the currency until 1957, but the question to you was when was the current $1 bill designed. Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia should help you, but continuing to avoid questions that will disprove your rhetoric is probably much easier :)

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 7:39 PM

Nascarfanatic I don't know what has induced your infatuation with me, but any doofus with a computer can find out pretty much any trivial question you opt to throw out there. I won't humor you by even googling up the answer for you, because quite frankly I don't care. You have your opinion, as I have mine. I don't see us finding any middle ground so I chose to leave the subject alone. Perhaps you should do the same..

-- Posted by Dolittle on Fri, Feb 22, 2008, at 8:04 AM

...I actually asked "What'sright?" about the mixed children scenario, but meant to direct that question towards you....

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 10:25 PM

One other thing, Nascar, I don't typically answer questions that aren't intended for me as you stated. If you would re-read the post I've quoted from Darrick, you'll notice that even he admitted the question was meant for me. I do possess some reading comprehension skills despite the fact that I'm obviously not on your level of intellect!

-- Posted by Dolittle on Fri, Feb 22, 2008, at 8:10 AM

Tell me something I don't know.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Feb 22, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Oddly enough, Darrick, there you are responding to a post obviously directed to Nascar. Did you forget which identity you were logged on under, or just an honest mistake?

-- Posted by Dolittle on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 8:43 AM

Well let's see you used one of my posts in your response, and have been constantly bickering with me therefore I took a moment to respond honestly. Tell me something I don't know. I was speaking from my own objective about your level of intellect in general.

Just because I took it upon myself to answer your question, before anyone else responded doesn't mean anything.

I don't know what nascarfanatic thinks. He hasn't answered yet, which means he must not care. ?? But since I do know him[he's about 40 years my senior, and we don't always agree.. check the archives], I can ask if you'd like. I'm not going to continue responding to this blog. It's over.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Feb 24, 2008, at 8:54 PM

Born equal!

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 6:31 PM


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