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Spanish takes over the radio

Posted Saturday, March 15, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Here's a link -- www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,9... -- to a quite interesting discussion about how some smaller northern Middle Tennessee towns are losing their English-speaking local radio stations to Hispanic groups.

Within the radio-related comments are some views in general about the Hispanic influx into Middle Tennessee.

I can see where serving Spanish speakers could be profitable and necessary. I hope we never have a situation, for example, where Hispanics die in severe weather because they couldn't understand English-language warnings.

But no town should lose its English-language radio service, either. Imagine the outcry if a town's newspaper suddenly switched to Spanish. It's the same with radio.

I'm surprised we don't have a Spanish-language station in Shelbyville, or at least some Spanish on one of the existing stations. I'd think the owners of WZNG-1400 could fit some local Spanish programming among the non-local satellite talk shows and make quite a bit of money

As a side note, if someone put a full-time rock oldies format on one of the Shelbyville AM stations I suspect it would do quite well.

Our city's also becoming large enough that I'd think someone could also do well with a commercial FM station programming a new-music based rock or country format which could attract a mass, relatively young audience. A frequency is available at 93.9, according to the FCC.

Remember when Shelbyville, Tullahoma and Murfreesboro had local FM stations not so many years ago, before 102.9 and 96.3 were moved to Nashville and 93.3 to Huntsville?


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Here's a thought, how about they learn English?

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 12:03 AM

I think middle TN is losing its english speaking everything. Im starting to feel like a foreigner in my own town.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Sun, Mar 16, 2008, at 11:51 PM

Foreigners are taking over this country. Government is letting it happen. Why is everyone trying to be so politically correct? If I were to go live in Mexico or Somalia, I would be expected to learn their language. I would be expected to live by their laws. They should learn to live by our laws, learn our language, pay for their own medical bills and buy their own groceries. Instead we as taxpayers have to pay for the babies they have every 9 months and feed them with food stamps and wic.

-- Posted by time2relax on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Great way to lump every single immigrant into one big STEREOTYPE!!! It's like saying ALL Americans are fat, overworked, lazy, materialistic, unilateralist thinkers, selfish, and in debt.

You see how distorted the picture of America becomes, when you classify the ENITRE population as something that only a FEW represent. Pretty pathetic justification.

If you're so against immigration then perhaps you'd better be speaking out agaisnt the corporations that lure them here, and the other ones that send once American jobs to foreign lands. If you want lower prices, the only way to do it in oversaturated economy is cheap labor, and we know, I, nor you want to put up with that ourselves...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:35 AM

Didn't mean offend someone you are obviously in love with.

-- Posted by time2relax on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:08 PM

I wonder how the Native Americans felt when we, as foreigners, came to this country?

-- Posted by dooshie69 on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:22 PM

Didn't mean offend someone you are obviously in love with.

-- Posted by time2relax on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:08 PM

Your statement offended anyone with a competent brain... I am in love with nobody, but freedom is popular. Stereotypical thinking is ridiculous.

And yes, I wonder exactly how the Native Americans felt when white folks, such as myself brutally took everything away from them, for little to nothing...

And now, somehow, someone needs to come here in a precise and perfect manner. Lead by example, American wasn't founded by Columbus, it was invaded by him.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Thanks time2relax. I was begining to think I was the only one who spoke what most people think but are too scared to admit.

-- Posted by seedsower on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:58 PM

Nascarfanatic, stereotypical thinking may be ridiculous but it's here, it's all around. Like it or not, this is the south where people tend to be grouped in some sort of category. If you would think outside your realm, you'd realize that not all southerners are rednecks, but that's how we are perceived by many. Stereotyping is human nature. I don't even know who you are but I can guarantee that you fall into some sort of stereotypical category and even my brain is competent enough to know that.

Here's a few other stereotypes common in the south: snobs, preps, rednecks, bums, lazy, hardworker, thief and the list could go on and on. By the way, google "nascar fan stereotypes" and you'll find that most nascar fans are placed in the categories of drunks and rednecks.

Just like those of us who have to tolerate foreigners, you'll have to tolerate those of us who stereotype them.

-- Posted by time2relax on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 8:30 AM

I don't have a problem with legal immigrants who are trying to make a better life for themselves but I do have a large problem with the illegals who are sucking our system dry.

Their non-English speaking children go to our public schools and we the tax payers pay for ESL classes (English Second Language) The parents never even try to learn English they depend on our government to teach their child so they can translate for them. Companies have to hire bi-lingual people inside the work place so they can translate for them costing businesses more money..of course it is you the consumer that pays for this in the end by higher prices.

Hospitals have women coming in who are not legal to have American born children (which they will be legal and qualify for government assistance even though the parents are not legal) who pays for these services which the illegals are receiving? You the taxpayer.

There needs to be a serious overhaul of our system: Illegals should be deported immediately: Even if you are having your baby inside the US if you are illegal so should your baby be illegal: before anyone can become a citizen you must be able to understand and speak English: School children must be able to speak English in order to attend school, just like kindergarteners must know their names, addresses, and to count to 10 before entering, English should be added to that list of must do's.

I am sick of being politically correct while our country is being run into the ground because we are so afraid that we will offend someone.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Right.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:05 PM

Dianatn:

AGREED 100%!! Great Comment!!

-- Posted by stolen25 on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:35 PM

Dianatn.

Amen!!!!!! But who do you go to? I would love to see every illegal immigrant leave and never come back unless they go through the proper channels and take all the tests required to become a citizen. Unless, our government gets the @#$%@ to stand up to what it takes to make this happen, illegals will continue to be around every corner and breaking every law. Check the police blotter in the Times Gazette, at least 80% of the names are of Hispanic origin.

-- Posted by time2relax on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM

First we need a government that is willing to take some responsibility for the immigration problem. Because we as a citizen can not do one thing on our own about illegal immigrants.

Our government can tell us about how many illegals are inside the United States but can't say where they are nor do they feel they need to be deported.. I find that strange. I also realize the cost to round up the illegals and deport them would be outrageous. But we could use some of the wasted money we are spending in Iraq to actually help the United States for once.

After the illegals are deported they need to close the boarders and I don't mean by putting up a 700 mile fence either..I mean close it.

It would help if they started fining businesses who hire illegals and making them pay for the deportation of the illegals they have hired.

We have to keep in mind Just because a immigrant holds a Social Security Card does not make them legal, there are so many fake ID's out there it is scary nor does a work visa that expired last year, make them legal.

That is another thing: All work Visas need to be revoked and no more issued until the United States gets back on it's feet.

They also need to stop giving amnesty to everybody that has problems in their own country..we need to stop caring so much about the woes of third world countries who could care less about America except to get a free ride.

The Free Ride has to stop.

I think we have taken the inscription on the Statue of Liberty a bit too far:

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Maybe it is time for another country to take the tired and the poor and the huddled masses. Because we have all these in America right now and they are citizens of the United States.

Now we can do all this or we can just cut a deal with Mexico and make it part of the United States give them the same benefits as Americans and tax them accordingly..then the factories that have moved to Mexico from the United States would have to pay their workers enough to live..thus stopping the reason for Hispanics to want to come into the United States in the first place..they could stay at home and be just as well off.

I know this may very well sound a bit harsh but if we don't stop this now it is only going to get worse.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 6:34 PM

I don't know anyone who is FOR illegal immigration except for the corporations who save millions of dollars, and the people who buy those goods and save money...

However, I have no problem with Spanish radio, whatsoever.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 9:37 PM

Darrick I don't have a problem with Spanish radio either, I know how to change the channel.

Although I do have a problem going to a store here in America and buying a product that needs instructions and having to search for the instructions in English.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 10:07 PM

We wouldnt make stereotypical comments if they werent so stereotypical. Enough people are killed by illegal immigrants every week to fill a 747 jumbo jet. That is more soldiers than we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention ther are helping to fast track this entire country into poverty. Illegal immigration is the most important problem in this country today and if we say anything we get labled as bigots.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 11:08 PM

After the illegals are deported they need to close the boarders and I don't mean by putting up a 700 mile fence either..I mean close it.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Securing the border would have to come first. Otherwise, they would be coming over faster than we could deport them.

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 11:55 PM

Darrick I don't have a problem with Spanish radio either, I know how to change the channel.

Although I do have a problem going to a store here in America and buying a product that needs instructions and having to search for the instructions in English.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 10:07 PM

Ok, but "here in America" isn't just your America.. Those instructions you speak of are in place to help those who are here legally as well. It's ironic we want our instructions to be in English yet the very people who build nearly everything we buy can't speak a lick of it.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 11:56 PM

And YES, we need to be securing our damn borders.. But why isn't that happening? Because or 'NATIONAL' guard is so embedded in the horrible atroscity called the 'War on Terror' that they can't fully protect America's borders..

Diana, I agree with you 100% that ILLEGAL immigration is happening, it's a bad situation and WE need to take corrective action. But continuting to vote the same crooks into office, over and over, and allowing the same corporations to charge more money and pay less for their labor is where it is going to stop. Nobody would come to America if their own countries had a "land of opportunity". Didn't our corporations try sending jobs to Mexico? The only problem with that is, when we send American jobs to Mexico their economy benefits, if we keep those companies here and those same companies allow them to work, undocumented we still lose.

Admittedly, I don't have all the solutions. I don't think deporting 12,000,000 people is going to happen anytime soon. However, we do need to stop that number from increasing in the meantime. We can agree that there are more people to blame in the whole process than just the one's so apparent.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 12:02 AM

Just take a GOOD look at our town. Everytime a place closes down WHAT goes up a Mexican store or Resturant or a Used Car Lot (they have). They are all over the place. I have been treated so rude by some of them when I am at Wal-mart. I go to Murfreesboro or Tullahoma now.I know a lady that works at the Sharpie Plant and she say's back at Christmas and before when work was so slow that they were suppose to put the 1st one's that clocked in to work.She always clocked in 10 minutes ahead of time. The day's that they had only so much work the mexican's never clocked in until 6am and they were put to work 1st. They complained about it and no one cared. She said that they do not even think about using the mic's at lunch to warm their food cause they will take yours out before it is ready and put their's in. They can not say anything to them cause they do not understand English.I believe in equal rights to everyone but the way we are treated and they are treated so much better in so many way's make's people up-set.If I wanted to open a store or resturant DO you think I would be given the chance no !!!! I had 7 children and paid for them all. I go to the store and have to get hamburger an chicken. I have seen them get the really nice meats such as steaks and roast. Not me. When they make 8 an hour they bring home every penny of that 8 dollars a hour. They ride around in these trucks all fancy and low to the ground and those things cost alot. That is why we get so up-set. I have a friend that had just paid off her car last year and she was so happy to have that payment gone every month. A few months later a Mexican hit her that was drunk and had no licence's or insurance. It total her car and now she has a car payment again. Another reason we get so up-set with them.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:03 AM

Ok, but "here in America" isn't just your America

Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 11:56 PM

Maybe not just MY America but it is OUR America. It isn't Mexico's America nor Somali's America. But we as Americans are so willing to give up our rights and our culture and our language because WE don't want to offend somebody!!

Give me a break, Do you think for one minute anyone of them care if they Offend you!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Personally I cut them no slack. If one of them is rude enough to cut in front of me, if they get "bumped" by my shopping cart, too bad. I don't intentionally do it, but I don't slow my pace to accomodate them either. Also, they will not control their heathen children. I wonder if I can show their kids some control, as I do my children. I paid for theirs as well.

As far as offending them, you're right. Just another example: It's o.k. for this city to tell our kids what they can and cannot wear to school (next year) but because of their so-called religion, the Somalians still get to wear their rags on their head. By the way, their smell offends me. You can't stand 3 feet near them without gagging.

I disagree, It is MY America. I pay taxes. I go by the laws and rules. I was born in the U.S. and so were my parents and grandparents.

-- Posted by time2relax on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Ok Darrick you say we are voting the same crooks into office and this is the problem with immigration:

I am going to open this can of worms one more time :>)

You have fought me tooth and nail for Obama. Do you even know what his voting record is on immigration?

Obama's grade on immigration is a D-

http://grades.betterimmigration.com/test...

Ron Paul got the best grade on immigration which was a B...but given the fact Ron Paul is not even a contender you are settling for Obama?

The way Obama has voted in the past on immigration issues:

Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007

Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)

Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)

Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)

Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)

Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

Undocumented workers come here to work, not to drive. (Nov 2007)

Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007)

Immigration raids are ineffective. (Feb 2008)

Illegals shouldn't work; but should have path to citizenship. (Dec 2007)

Don't deputize Americans to turn in illegal immigrants. (Dec 2007)

OK to provide government services in Spanish. (Dec 2007)

Hillary's voting record is almost the same on immigration issues.

McCain's are a little better (not by much though) even though I am not a McCain fan for other reason's besides immigration.

So explain the choices given to American's who will be going to the polls in November, should we just not show up?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 11:41 AM

I haven't "settled" on anyone... But whoever wins the Democratic nod will get my vote. ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 6:54 PM

I disagree, It is MY America. I pay taxes. I go by the laws and rules. I was born in the U.S. and so were my parents and grandparents.

-- Posted by time2relax on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Maybe not just MY America but it is OUR America. It isn't Mexico's America nor Somali's America. But we as Americans are so willing to give up our rights and our culture and our language because WE don't want to offend somebody!!

Give me a break, Do you think for one minute anyone of them care if they Offend you!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Well the term "OUR" included immigrants who are here LEGALLY. Don't for one minute lump in "Spanish radio" as a service for illegal immigrants. There are far more legal hispanic Americans than there are illegal Americans. This will end up like Israel and the Palestinians who have the audacity to be so selfish and think a country belongs to people. If it weren't for God, people wouldn't have it to begin with. Do you think he made a mistake by allowing Mexico and Canada to be conjoined with the egotistical, and overly selfish United States? Or perhaps, do you think he wants us to set a precedence to the world and show them that you don't just kick out people you don't like, but you provide, better, safer, and more effective means for allowing them to come here legally.

After all, this is land is my land, this land is your land... But for those to whom inhabited it before us, that thought the very same thing.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 7:00 PM

IF they are here LEGALLY then they pledged allegiance to America and America Only...they need to speak our Language. English is America's language, it is part of us.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 7:56 PM

America's original language was not English... Just ask the Native Americans.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:12 PM

Did I say orginal? No I didn't. American's speak English, well known fact isn't it?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:38 PM

Diana, there are 311 languages that are spoken in the United States of America. The worldwide economy is becoming more and more globalized where U.S. companies must recruit foreign speaking representatives just to be able to compete. It is a travesty to want to make "English" the official language of this country. That only defers people from being advantageous and becoming multi-lingual.

You know I am not going to be forced to learn Spanish, though in high school I did have to take two years of Spanish beings as I was on the University path. I did what I had to do to make an A in those courses, but nothing more. If I don't want to listen to a Spanish radio station, then I turn the channel (I have yet to encounter one), if I hear a country-western station I change the channel, if I hear southern gospel I turn the channel, but I don't complain because they are offered.

Sure, illegal immigration is a detramental problem and thus far has not been halted. But there is no way in this world, we have the time, the capacity, or the money to send 12,000,000 people back below the border. We should make them become tax-paying citizens, expect them to pay some sort of premium for healthcare, and somehow someway have them contribute to any service in which they enjoy. Again, being naive enough to think everyone is going to speak English under a forced rule, is no more effective than keeping drunk drivers off the road with DUI laws, nor keep pot smokers from smoking pot just because it's illegal.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:43 PM

OMG, speaking of languages I never knew these statistics of which are the most popular (obviously worldwide statistics)

1. Mandarin Chinese - 882 million (DUH, lol)

2. Spanish - 325 million

3. English - 312-380 million

4. Arabic - 206-422 million

5. Hindi - 181 million

6. Portuguese - 178 million

7. Bengali - 173 million

8. Russian - 146 million

9. Japanese - 128 million

10. German - 96 million

WOW. lol

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:48 PM

TENNESSEE CODE ANNOTATED,

THROUGH 1993 SUPPLEMENT

Section 4-1-404 --English and Legal Language (1984)

English is hereby established as the official and legal language of Tennessee. All communications and publications, including ballots, produced by governmental entities in Tennessee shall be in English, and instruction in public schools and colleges of Tennessee shall be conducted in English unless the nature of the course would require otherwise.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 8:59 PM

That's good... Those seem to mean anything government related.. Not radio (corporate or local media)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:05 PM

read the first line:

English is hereby established as the official and legal language of Tennessee.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:08 PM

The government doesn't tell business what language they can or can not print or speak in. Hello, the courts have interpreters, the police force has interpreters... Isn't that obvious now days? You said it yourself. You don't want to have to read through Spanish instructions.

I don't know why we are talking about this. Neither one of us speak enough Spanish to hold a conversation. LOL that would be interesting.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:17 PM

You see darrick that is the problem I have with this. We (meaning our courts, businesses, law enforcement etc) are bending over backwards to accommodate them when we don't have to do that...we do it as not to offend anyone.

And I will say it one more time: I am sick of being politically correct just so I don't offend anyone.

I have no problem with anyone being bi-lingual just learn the language of where you live instead of thinking they should accommodate you.

You wouldn't go to France any expect them to speak English to you, would you? I would hope not anyway because you would be sorely disappointed.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:30 PM

You're labeling entire groups of people based on the actions of a few. I will never see that point of view.

Not every person who speaks another language wants us to bend over backwards for them. Not every person who speaks another language wants us to accomodate them.

Umm, we still resist the metric system which is the universal method of measurement. We have bases and coroporations in every developed country on earth, so I am sure there are places in nearly every country that accomodates English speaking people.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 9:40 PM

We didnt pay to bring all the illegal immigrants here so we wont have to pay them to leave. If they cant get work or government programs then they will go home. If the native americans would have run us off when we got here, then they would still have the run of the place. We killed them off with disease and war, well we are already starting to get the diseases and their military has already crossed our border on several occasions, so...

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Mar 20, 2008, at 10:31 PM

DianeTN, you said " School children must be able to speak English in order to attend school, just like kindergarteners must know their names, addresses, and to count to 10 before entering, English should be added to that list of must do's." When I started school I had never spoken a word of English in my house, nor had I heard it spoken - except for the tv. My mom wanted to make certain that I knew her native tongue which was French. When she sent me to school she was worried that I would either do badly or not make friends or both, and turns out her fears were for nothing - I did pretty well (thanks to watching a lot of PBS) and I'm the first person in my family to have graduated college (with honors even) and I'm the first to be applying to graduate school. Not too shabby for someone who spoke no English when she started school.

Now, I know that these debates are about illegal immigrants and my mom was legal - she had a green card but did not because a naturalized citizen until I was 8 years old. I remember how proud she was that it finally happened. I'd imagine that a lot of the immigrants here feel like that when they are naturalized as well.

I guess my point is that maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge little kids who might not know very much English when they start school. You never know how they will end up.

-- Posted by cfrich on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 1:07 AM

You see that is where you missed my entire point, I am not judging little kids. I am judging their parents for not doing something for the good of their child instead of depending on the government(school system) to do it for them.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 1:58 AM

I have a Question.. Maybe someone can tell me...Why is it the women of the Somali's are the only one's that wear the bedspread looking stuff and their curtain's over their Heads ?? Why not the men?? I have always wonder about that. I go the other way when I see them coming. Also Why are there more here in Bedford County than in the other's.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 7:22 AM

Also I heard that a mission lady in Nashville is the one that started bringing the Somali's here and she ran out of place's to put them in Nashville and we accepted them here. Is that true ? Does the county get money for them being here? Madison Street looks like it should be called Little Mexico.It makes me sad every time I travel the road.It looks so run down and bad. I am a little ashamed when all the vistor's come to our town.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 7:36 AM

You see that is where you missed my entire point, I am not judging little kids. I am judging their parents for not doing something for the good of their child instead of depending on the government(school system) to do it for them.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 1:58 AM

I guarantee you there are far more white people who don't work, nor pay many taxes in this country who expect the government to do something for them than there are illegal immigrants. There are white people who expect the government to hand out their food stamps every year, pay their TennCare, pay their W.I.C. etc.

Our brand new home {now one year old} was built by whites and hispanics. There was ONE guy in charge of the hispanic crew who could speak English. The rest worked from dusk til dawn, doing a superb job, and their lunch consisted of bringing their own microwave and making their own meals. They were dedicated, passionate about their job, and respectful people. None of them spoke English, but it did not stop them from doing their job, nor did it stop us from getting our dream home.

Complain all you want to about the economics of the situation, but many economists agree that overall, illegal immigration (overall) has a small net positive on the economy. After all, those children they have legally, who become citizens will all grow up and pay taxes, they will all grow up and contribute to Social Security, and we know for a fact the more people you have in the workforce the more likely S.S. will not only survive, but thrive. I am still not advocating illegal immigration, but I, however trying to see the big picture, more so than my own narrow mindset.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 8:38 AM

See it however you wish darrick. But if the Hispanics were not here building those houses for very little wages then "Americans" (white or black) would be doing those jobs. It is a fact of life every job in America (building houses, Tyson Foods, picking oranges, yard work) was done before we were invaded by illegals who are willing to do these jobs for below minimum wage. This is how businesses try and justify hiring illegals saying Americans won't do the jobs. Funny thing is Americans are buying this answer (who did these jobs before illegals came along?)

You can call it a narrow mindset if you wish...but I prefer to call it reality.

America will never recoup what is being spent on the illegals not in taxes and sure not in Social Security. By the time the Hispanic children are old enough to pay into Social Security it will no longer exist.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Mar 21, 2008, at 9:32 AM

darrick_04...&...nascarfanatic:

You two are obviously more open minded than the rest of us. Maybe you two know something that the rest of us have not figured out. Maybe you can help us out here. Would you care to elaborate on the reasons why it's good to have the illegal foreigners here.

Explain to us why catering to them is the perfect thing to do. How do you keep it from getting under your skin that we have to pay for their hospital bills; to pay for them to have babies as fast as rabbits; to feed them with Food Stamps, WIC and Welfare programs that was meant for (legal) Americans. Tell us how you can be lenient of the fact that they don't know the laws of the road...it's O.K. for them to crash into my car and they don't have insurance (or a driver's license) but my insurance rates go up. Tell me why it's good that they can go to jail for DUI and no license and be out within hours, only to have a wreck days later to kill innocent people in another wreck. Why is it a good idea that I have to pay for interpreters to explain to the idiots the reason they are going to jail...you'd think common sense would tell them not to drive drunk...not to kill people...not to steal other people's property.

Open my eyes to a better view of foreigners. Give me good reasons as to why I shouldn't be concerned over the questions I ask. I would love to be like you have no concerns for the world around me.

-- Posted by time2relax on Mon, Mar 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Open my eyes to a better view of foreigners. Give me good reasons as to why I shouldn't be concerned over the questions I ask. I would love to be like you have no concerns for the world around me.

-- Posted by time2relax on Mon, Mar 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Hmm, this is the underlying truth. You said "foreigners" which proves your dislike for anyone who doesn't "look" American.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Mar 24, 2008, at 3:58 PM

darrick_04 :

It took you this long to figure that out?

-- Posted by time2relax on Tue, Mar 25, 2008, at 7:43 AM

Pretty pathetic.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 12:56 PM

Pretty pathetic.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 12:56 PM

Nah, just honest; and you still haven't given me any foresight as to why I should accept everything that I questioned in my previous comments. I haven't been able to get any of you "lovers" of these foreign sponges to give me good reasons to change my mind.

-- Posted by time2relax on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Perhaps you need to learn how to search for youself... Try scrolling up too, that may help.

When you learn to look at people as individuals rather than instituionalizing an entire class of humans, I will go no further. I will start by telling you that economist, those who LIVE and BREATH the entire United States economic system, have generally come to the conclusion that illegal immigration has an overall + effect on the economy. I am no advocate for illegals, that is where you misunderstand me. I am for rationally dealing with a situation rather than abondoning millions of people by foolishly thinking we have the capacity to dump them south of the border.

I mean after all, we have sent a few corporation to Mexico to give them jobs, then you and others complained about that. The intentions were truly to keep them south of the border and pay them low wages in their home country. The effect has essentially retaliated.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 7:17 PM

It wasn't my idea to send our jobs to Mexico therefore yes I did complain that the jobs were leaving here. The corporations that sent them there also complained because when the finished product came back, it was crap.

-- Posted by time2relax on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 10:58 AM

Uh, yeah...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 9:31 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.