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How much is too much?

Posted Tuesday, March 18, 2008, at 12:13 PM

The new governor of New York has acknowledge cheating on his wife from 1999-2001; she's admitted an an affair was well.

David Paterson takes over after predecessor Eliot Spitzer was seeing a "call girl," which I guess is the same as a high-class prostitute.

Bill Clinton cheated while president. Presidental contender John McCain left his first wife for the much younger model accompanying him on the campaign trail.

Would a debate between Hillary Clinton and McCain on marital fidelity be appropriate?

More to the point: How "clean" should one's personal life be to hold a major public office? Should past sins, as opposed to ongoing affairs (which, admittedly, the public may be unaware of), be held against a candidate?

It's unlikely any candidate is Mr. or Ms. Totally Clean. But how much is too much in terms of background?


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to some this may not be a big deal but i attend church regularly and think it is a major problem how can theese people be role modles to any one with there opening statement as ive cheated on my spouse? i think if you are going to be in that kinda office you need to hold yourself to a higher standard and set example that marriage vows are not to be broken!! i know we all make mistakes but,in the same light i think they are sorry they got caught not over the act. thats just my opinoin though

-- Posted by jdw931 on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:21 PM

I don't agree with infidelity by any means. If anyone should really be concerned it should be their spouse. I commend Hillary, she held her head high over Bills indiscretions. Could you imagine the whole world knowing your spouse cheated!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:23 PM

Disgusted, oh they'd know he cheated and they'd know I was p.o.'d. He'd stand up there and apologize either by himself or with his hooker! Me? I'd be at home laughing at the television!

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:16 PM

JMO There are much worse things they could be doing.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:42 PM

I think we would have much better candidates running for office, if we didnt pick their personal life apart.

-- Posted by tdc on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:40 PM

None of us are perfect.

I'd be less worried about their sins than whether the transgression was part of a continuing problem that they are unable or unwilling to fix.

A person who recognizes his flaws and has worked to beat them might demonstrate strengths we need in our leaders.

A former drug abuser or violent gang member might have insights about that lifestyle we don't.

Someone who nearly destroyed their lives and their family's happiness with poor money management or infidelity or domestic assaults can save others some of that pain.

A penitent candidate demonstrates honesty and a willingness to take on hardship to make things better.

He shows an understanding about responsibility instead of playing victim or assuming his whims outrank the welfare of others.

A leader whose life is an open book can't be blackmailed.

False allegations would have little credibility if he has volunteered the truth.

But,with that candor needs to come zero tolerance for unnecessary attacks.

One political legend tells of a minor congressman who vowed to read certain truths about his attackers into the Congressional Record every day if they fulfilled their threat to launch a smear campaign against his wife.

We need to put the focus back on competence and integrity and less on image and how well a candidate serves the needs of special interests.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 5:54 PM

I would love for us to have a candidate to choose from that has never been on the wrong side of a bad situation, but honestly NONE of them are perfect.

The only personal lives I am concerned about are the ones who tell ME, that they don't think I can be married, when their marriages aren't the model to be looked upon. I also have a problem with senators, representatives, etc who pass laws accordingly and then get caught doing exactly what they are so against.

If we looked closely into our personal lives, rather than worrying about someone else's, we'd see there are problems that we can't even reconcile, why are we worried about anyone else's. The way I see it, we are all humans, we all make mistakes, some more regrettable than others, but why do we condemn spouses who stick by their respective partners side, preach forgiveness, yet can't find the humility in our own souls to forgive them?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 6:57 PM

I agree.

Plus,our attitude towards "sins" (real or imagined) needs to be curative-not condemning.

(If I'm sick,I'd rather have an accurate diagnosis and some appropriate treatment rather than someone shooting me down from a distance and ordering me burned or buried in quicklime.

If the people determining my health want to believe I'm salvageable,I'm a lot more apt to admit when I need healing.)

We should have our walk match our talk and we should offer one another no less than the common sense and compassion we'd want for ourselves.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Im not perfect ,but I am as close to perfect as anyone will ever find.

-- Posted by seedsower on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:37 PM

Except that you're way too modest. ;)

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 1:58 AM

I believe that the NEW GOVERNOR and his wife were not together at the time they were seeing someone else. They had split and were living apart those 2 years. If this is so then I do not see it as cheating on each other.We all have some problems some were down the line in our marriages or life and most the time it does not affect our work.We all make mistakes sometimes. At least I know I have and I have learned from my mistakes. I wish I was perfect but I am not. The only time things get under my skin or makes me mad is when it is something that has been done wrong to a child or a animal.What goes on between 2 adults behind their closed doors is between them. I do not want anyone putting their nose into my bedroom and I really do not want to know what goes on in anyone elses. I must say when someone like the Governor makes some mistakes I always hear some good jokes from it. Let's worry about more important things.

-- Posted by rebelrose on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 5:55 AM

quantumcat-- I believe "integrity" as defined by Webster means "moral soundness" What is more immoral than betraying the vows of keeping yourself only unto your spouse until death do you part? The one act of adultery breaks several of the 10 commandments, (lying, adultery, coveting to name a few). I really don't see how New York bettered themselves much in replacing one adulterer with another. The only difference is that Paterson didn't have to pay top dollar for the pleasure.

And come on seedsower....I'm sure you've read or heard the scripture, "take heed lest you too should fall". Be careful, Satan really does love a challenge.

-- Posted by writeattitude on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:39 PM

Im just clowning around writeattitude. I LOVE to say crap that will get people all stirred up and get them calling me names. My young uns and I get a great big kick outta people chewing me out. What can I say but, hey its cheap entertainment.

-- Posted by seedsower on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 4:41 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.