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Foreign drivers

Posted Monday, April 7, 2008, at 1:48 PM

I'm writing moments after returning from an accident Monday afternoon in which, thankfully, no one was injured but a lot of feelings were ruffled.

Police and witnesses said the wreck was caused by a driver who "didn't slow down" and "didn't hit her brakes" before plowing into three vehicles in front of Lee Adcock Construction, on the portion of North Jefferson Street known as Hoodlum Alley.

The driver was Somalian. And some of the crowd of bystanders were loudly making their feelings known about it as three Somali men and a Somali woman quietly stood on the sidelines.

"They go around running into people and have no insurance," was the most commonly heard thought.

But, as a co-worker here at the T-G commented about the community's attitude in general about these accidents, "You can't be prejudiced." She's right. At least, we shouldn't be prejudiced.

Keeping a politically correct attitude becomes a little hard for some, though, when it seems the same ethnic groups constantly become involved in traffic accidents. Over the weekend I watched a young Somalian woman calmly drive down the concrete median of North Cannon Boulevard. And, a while back, I watched a Hispanic driver pass a long line of cars stopped on Hickory Drive, then pull in front of oncoming traffic onto North Main Street.

My concern, and I hope this never happens, is that sooner or later someone of foreign ethnicity is going to run into someone, or a group of someones, who respond violently. Hopefully cooler heads will always prevail.

It's hard to regulate unlicensed drivers for an obvious reason: The law enforcement system has no contact with them until they get into trouble. But some businesses, such as the Times-Gazette, conduct regular safety meetings concerning things you'd think everyone knows.

Those firms who employ large numbers of foreigners should do the same concerning driving, and keep going over the rules over and over. Would it help? Maybe. It certainly couldn't hurt anything.


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Some of the driving hasn't gotten so bad that a Somali individual took out a side of the wall at Davis Estates because he forgot the difference between a brake and the accelerator. I don't how many accidents and near misses I have witnessed just in the area around Davis Estates and I was almost hit the other day coming down Lane Parkway and a Somali decided he would pull out into oncoming traffic from West Lane. Fortunately the other drivers were paying attention including myself and stopped and then the Somali sat there for a moment and then proceeded to do a u --turn back. All I could is shake my head in disgust.

Pretty much their attitude is that they will go as they please and you will move out of the way and their cars show it.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:04 PM

Jaxspike--I agree. They think we owe them. I watched a Somali pull out of Anthony Lane onto Madison Street and run up on the curve at Christopher equipment and then cut in front of traffic in the other lane so that they could get over to Sonic. I also had one hit the light pole outside my job and when the police got there, all they did was call the light company to check the pole and then they gave the Somalis a ride. They didn't take any kind of disciplinary action to ensure that the driver had a license. I hope no one ever responds in a violent way, but moreover, I hope the Somalis don't cause an accident that claims a life. I wonder what would be done if that happened.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:19 PM

I hate to say this, but a lot of the bad drivers I see are white people who are allergic to using their turns signals. I hate that I never know where someone is going because they don't use them.

-- Posted by cfrich on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:32 PM

I agree cfrich . . . I am beginning to wonder if they sell vehicles anymore with turn signal because no one uses them. It is so freaking annoying!

Of course, dont even get me started on soccer moms with a SUV and a cell phone in one hand . . . they are the WORSE!!!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:44 PM

"Of course, dont even get me started on soccer moms with a SUV and a cell phone in one hand . . . they are the WORSE!!!"

They certainly are the worst! It's like in order to drive around TN (as this isn't just a Shelbyville problem), you've got to be a mind reader. I always think it's the worst when it's someone turning off of 231 - they just stop and expect you to know that they will be turning...ugh!!

I also can't stand tailgaters - like if you ride up on my bumper that isn't going to make me go faster...it will in fact make me go slower.

-- Posted by cfrich on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:54 PM

Check this out........I took my daughter to get her driver's license and a Somilian hit my vehicle in the parking lot while he was taking his driver's test!! To top it off, there were 3 of them there to get their license and not a one of them got them, but they got in the car and drove away after all that!

-- Posted by titansfan on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 2:59 PM

"Of course, dont even get me started on soccer moms with a SUV and a cell phone in one hand . . . they are the WORSE!!!"

Thanks guys, I happen to have a perfect driving record and insurance!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 3:11 PM

I am a soccer mom as well, and I also have a perfect driving record and full coverage insurance!!

-- Posted by titansfan on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 3:13 PM

It's one thing to have an internal bias, it's another to notice trends. Does anyone have any data to show that immigrant drivers are having any harder time than anyone else? Not a flame, just don't know the hard data.

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 3:48 PM

Not one ticket in 12 years and I drove a sports car for 10 years of that time. I never had to speed, I didn't have the boom boom and it was quiet:). I had one police officer pull me over and commend me on how nice the car looked and how quiet it was. And yes that was here in Shelbyville, and it made me proud that they noticed that I made sure to think of others around me.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 3:49 PM

It is one thing to be a bad driver but it is an entirely different matter to be a driver without insurance. Of course it is hard to get insurance without a drivers license :>(

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 4:06 PM

The worst I've seen were drivers chatting on a cell phone with one hand,giving a child in the back seat a drink out of a bottle with the other and attempting to drive at the same time.

(The same folk read while waiting for lights to turn green.)

Naw,they don't need to have more control of the car or pay more attention.

If the unexpected occurred,they'd be prepared to handle it appropriately,right?

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 5:40 PM

quantumcat - I can do you one better, my husband and I once saw a guy doing a crossword puzzle whilst speeding down the highway. That was not in TN, though, it was on the Mass Pike.

-- Posted by cfrich on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 5:50 PM

I too have seen a lot of strange things going on, down the highways and interstates of Tennessee, some that can't even be talked about on a public forum. But still the difference is who has insurance and who doesn't and Who has the legal right to even be driving the roads in the first place.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 6:08 PM

Dianatn

I have to agree with you! It does all boil down to who has insurance and who can legally drive. Even though I didn't appreciate the SUV insult (not from you).

-- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 7:21 PM

Well, unless you are a soccer mom driving with one hand on the wheel and the other on a cell phone while yelling at the kids in the back seat, you have nothing to be insulted by.

If you are one of those people, then you are no worse than a murderer with a loaded gun. Eventually that kind of distracted driving will kill someone and I have almost been hit by two women just like that.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 9:06 PM

They are often the hit-ees,too.

What do you think happens when two distracted people try to occupy the same space?

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 9:40 PM

At least the soccer moms with the SUV's have insurance.......I'd bet not one of the Somalian's have one dollar of insurance and they don't care either. They use their race as an excuse. They are rude and should have to conform to our society or go back to their country.

-- Posted by jkelley on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 10:30 PM

There you go again with your horrific stereotypes... Nothing like someone who views an ENTIRE class of people based on the actions of a few.

No wonder the rest of the world thinks ALL American's are as pathetic as our own leaders. We're not. But that's the kind of ignorant mentality you possess.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 10:48 PM

I am still looking for this in the police blotter. A 4 car accident should have been somewhere in this paper besides a blog?

It is not racial profiling to say that 52.1% of the crimes in the USA was committed by blacks, it is just a fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_th......

Just like saying "most" Somalis have no insurance or drivers license is not racial it is fact...Note: A learners permit which most do have does not enable them to drive legally on the road without a license driver. It seems they do not understand this concept.

It is Tennessee State Law to have valid insurance and a drivers license to drive, you have to abide by this law, so should they, again that is not racist, it is fact.

Sidenote: When ask for ID 99.9% of all Somalis I have personally come in contact with hand me a learners permit but yet they get out of a car that they just drove up in...Coincidence? I think not.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 11:39 PM

Oh sorry I am seeing you said this accident happen on Monday somehow I have been thinking this was already Tuesday. Does that tell you what type of day this has been? A LONG one.. :>)

I will look for it in tomorrow paper.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 11:44 PM

David ...Did the Somalian get a ticket ???? titansfan...If I had been you I would have gone back in with the tag number of the somalian's that drove off with no drivers licences and told the people inside..I do not know if it would have done any good..We are going to let our son get his licences this summer..I know if any of them hit my son while he is driving I will be the one you will be reading about in the paper going off the deep end with them...They do not need to be driving..I wonder if the ones that do drive can even read the signs...If it had been one of us hitting 3 cars with no insurance and no drivers licences we would have been taking a ride to the police station...

-- Posted by rebelrose on Mon, Apr 7, 2008, at 11:46 PM

I'd think that "suspect" groups (the young,the elderly,immigrants,etc.) would want to make a pre-emptive strike against stereotypes by being ten times as "good" as the norm.

As uncomfortable as it might be not to have the luxury of ordinary,human flaws,holding oneself to a high standard can prevent a lot of resentment until one stops being seen as part of a group and is allowed to be a regular individual.

If folks are squeamish about making arrests or issuing tickets,etc.,perhaps they could arrange for high-risk/no insurance drivers to have extra drivers' education or meetings with insurance agents.

Letting anyone be a danger to himself or others is no favor to them.

Accommodation and adaptation to special needs is kind and realistic but exempting a class of people from reasonable behavior is an insult to them and a slap in the face to all who make the effort to do the right thing.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 3:35 AM

Rebelrose.........I called the police when they hit my vehicle and they came down there, but it didn't do any major damage so I didn't file a report. He ran the plates on my vehicle and the one he was in, but never asked for a license from either of us. I told him the guy was in the process of taking his test when he hit mine so I am sure he probably just figured he was there with someone that had driven him. The only reason I know none of them had their license was because you could hear them arguing with the lady about the forms of id they were presenting not being valid and one of them was 17 and had to have a parent there with him and he said his parents did not live here. I didn't say anything when they left driving but me and all the people in the lobby saw them and talked about how we couldn't believe that they could just go through all that and then get in the car and still just drive away like it was nothing. I am happy to report however that my daughter passed her test and is now a safe, licensed, insured driver!!!

-- Posted by titansfan on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 7:20 AM

If State Troopers, City Police, or County Police would start setting up random road blocks and check for illegal drivers this might go a long way toward getting them off the road. Fine the CRAP out of them and imprison repeat offenders. It isn't a difficult problem to correct if you have people with some "nads" calling the shots!

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 7:23 AM

jkelly, I agree with you! Thank you for pointing that out! They are very rude. If we were the ones in their country, we would have to conform or they would harm us in some way! And Rebelrose--if they ever hit me with my child in the car--I'd be right there in the paper with you!!

Dianatn--you are right. It's a fact to say that most Somalis have no license or insurance. It's not a racial slur. And just so we don't ruffle the feathers for jesuslovesevery1, many American people don't have insurance or a license either. But in my opinion from what I have seen, Americans are far better at driving than the Somalis! Most of them anyway!

-- Posted by candasons07 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 8:26 AM

And by the way, I do not think it's ok for anyone to drive without a license or insurance--no matter what color you are or what country you are from. I do think that everyone should have to follow the same rules for driving, regardless of race or ethnicity.

-- Posted by candasons07 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 8:33 AM

You know what? We all get distracted at times when we drive, I've even had an accident or two in my lifetime. But even being distracted, we know the rules of the road, otherwise we couldn't (legally) get a license. The whole point of this issue is that the somolians don't even try to conform to the rules and laws of Americans. I don't know what their religious beliefs are nor do I care anymore than they care what mine are. I do care however that they act like we (legal Americans) owe them something. I owe them nothing and neither does anyone else on this blog. They are a rude, law breaking lot of people. Maybe I should mention that this also includes Mexicans.

And to you, jesuslovesevery1, I say this:

Since you are so open to all the illegals in this town, you would be doing the town a great favor if you would take them into your home. Teach them our laws. Teach them manners and kindness. Teach them American history. Take them to Memphis or Nahville to take the tests to become citizens. If they can't be taught, send them back to their respective countries. You can go with them and try to live like an American in their country. You can then write us a letter telling us how it went. Do you think they would accept you the way you are?

-- Posted by time2relax on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 8:56 AM

time2relax,

You forgot about the blacks, jews, muslims, irish, asians, and all other non-whites. You know they can't drive either.....;>)

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 9:34 AM

If you are one of those people, then you are no worse than a murderer with a loaded gun. Eventually that kind of distracted driving will kill someone and I have almost been hit by two women just like that.

-- Posted by jaxspike

First of all you are rude! Second of all to answer your question, I don't do any of the things you have listed and most responsible drivers don't. I also steer clear of vehicles that I assume don't have insurance by the way they look.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 10:18 AM

How am I rude? LOL!

I am actually one of the nicest people you will ever meet . . . I just cant stand when people do stupid things that put other people's lives in danger including mine.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 10:35 AM

Disgusted,

Jaxspike was stating, driving a car is like a loaded gun. If you don't have a license to carry it in public, then you shouldn't be using it. If something happened, they should be tried the same way as if it were a loaded weapon.

I don't see how you would be offended by that.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:07 AM

I think she took offense to the "soccer mom in the SUV" comment. Unfortunately that wouldn't be a stereo-type it is wasn't a fact that many of these mothers don't pay attention while driving. If you do pay attention, Disgusted, then the comment isn't aimed at you.

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:11 AM

"It is not racial profiling to say that 52.1% of the crimes in the USA was committed by blacks, it is just a fact."

It's not really a fact, though. You didn't read it through. That statistic is only talking about homicide.

-- Posted by benjithegreat98 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM

Driving is not a right.

It's a privilege.

We have a right to be armed,believe as we wish,etc. but we have the responsibility to act on our rights with respect for others.

We should give all people every bit of support possible in exercising their rights and enjoying the privileges of living in our society.

They,in turn,have an obligation to be good stewards of what they've been given.

Cars and guns aren't here to help inflate our egos.

They are tools.

If we can't or won't use them safely,we forfeit the right to use them until we prove we won't be a danger to our community.

Checking on people's compliance with the rules and enforcing those rules need not be done in a harsh,adversarial manner-but it needs to be done and it needs to apply to all universally.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:28 AM

We have full coverage for four vehicles, 2 adults 2 children- not cheap but we have to do it. My child was involved in an accident with foreign drivers they had no license no insurance. The wreck was my childs fault and the driver was arrested and paid fines but my insurance paid their medical bills, fixed their car and gave a settlement to them for an amount that we were not allowed to know because it was confidential. I am sure it was alot more money than the driver paid in fines for driving illegally. It must be wonderful to not bear the financial burden of operating a vehicle legally but to be able to reap the rewards from people who do bear that burden. Had the accident been our fault our insurance would have still had to pay cause they did not have any.If we are bitter or prejudice I wonder why.

-- Posted by breezy on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:29 AM

You said the wreck was your child's fault. Why are you bitter then? Should your insurance not pay when you are at fault?

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:37 AM

>>It's not really a fact, though. You didn't read it through. That statistic is only talking about homicide.<<

It really don't matter what the percent is one way or the other I was just making the point that every time you use the word "Black" or "Hispanic" or "Somali" in a sentence doesn't mean it is a racial slur.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:40 AM

>>>You said the wreck was your child's fault. Why are you bitter then? Should your insurance not pay when you are at fault?<<<

I guess you could look at that two ways couldn't you? If the driver who had no insurance and no license wasn't on the road. Would there have been a car there for her child to hit in the first place?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Having to pay insurance monthly is a financial burden. It upsets me to have someone benefit from a burden they do not share. If you want to benefit from the system you should contribute and follow the laws of the system. I will remain bitter about unlicensed and uninsured drivers.

-- Posted by breezy on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:49 AM

I guess you could look at that two ways couldn't you? If the driver who had no insurance and no license wasn't on the road. Would there have been a car there for her child to hit in the first place?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Now your just being silly. That's like saying if somebody had cut that tree down then I might not of hit it...

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:49 AM

I really don't care, I did take it as an insult and not just from jaxspike! Not all people men included that have kids and drive SUVs are careless drivers.

Also stated above, They certainly are the worst! That statement simply is not true. A drunk driver in my opinion is the worst.

-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:50 AM

No it is not being silly. Someone that has no insurance or no license have no rights on the roads period. I have yet to ever see a tree driving down the road.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:51 AM

I'm not arguing that point, Breezy. All I'm saying is you would bare that burden whether it was a legal driver or not. What was the cause of the wreck? Cell phone use? Not paying attention? Speeding? That is really what you should be bitter about.

I don't condon unlawful use of a vehicle and it burns me up just as much as the next person, but don't be sore at others for mistakes your child made.

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM

breezy

I agree with you! It isn't fair that we pay out the butt for insurance and others get away with not paying for it at all. Then turn around and get money from your insurance company on top of it!!! That's CRAZY...

-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:55 AM

tgreader

Maybe they rear ended them. You know they don't know how to get over in the turning lane, just stop right in the middle of the road to turn!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 11:58 AM

Well, my input obviously isn't on the politically correct side of this thread. I'm not defending these illegal drivers as some of you apparently think I am. I've never been the type to blame others for mistakes my kids make. I let my wife do that...;>)

I'll revert back to my original post on this thread that if our law enforcement would set up more random road blocks it would go along way toward getting these idiots off the highway. I haven't seen any information about this wreck in today's issue, David. Why is that?

-- Posted by tgreader on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 12:04 PM

Wow tgreader, did you even read my first blog. Not "sore" at others cause my child made a mistake and did not see a vehicle (no other drama involved, just did not see another vehicle when he pulled out, I am sure you find that hard to believe) I am bitter because I play by the rules and those who don't still benefit. I had no choice but to bare the burden but if the other driver was legal I would have accepted it without bitterness.

-- Posted by breezy on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 12:08 PM

This blog has turned to more than one subject...NON-insured drivers and illegal persons in the U.S.A.

tgreader:

I agree with you to an extent but our law enforcement has their hands tied. They do make the arrests and they do give fines....it's the government and judges that are failing the U.S. Once they are arrested, they're out within a couple of hours.

Here's my solution:

If one is found to be driving without a legal license, robbery or another crime, send them back where they came from. Yes, it does cost a lot of money to ship them back. Here's the answer...First, it's common knowledge that illegals (I don't care what their nationality is) can't open bank accounts, they carry all their money around with them. Take every dollar and cent they have in their pocket, use it to buy a ONE-WAY bus ticket back to their own land. Better yet, stock pile them in a landfill until you have about 100 of them, combine all the money, and send them back all at one time.

-- Posted by time2relax on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 12:55 PM

Wow, David sure does know how to get em rialed up, huh?

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 1:25 PM

I was heading into town on Depot St. a while back, this was before the Somalians started taking over the town. Right where the road becomes 2 lanes, there was a car in front of me. I waited to see which lane they were going in so I could go to the other. When I went left, the driver cut right in front of me. When I tried to go right, the driver again cut over in front of me. This went on a couple of times more. Needless to say, I was very frustrated. He finally let me by. When I came up beside him to go on, I looked over to see who it was. The driver laughed and flipped me off. It was a MEXICAN. After he let me by, he tailgated me all the way to the red light where the rental place is. This wasn't the only negative experience that I've had with Mexicans. I have witnessed many other rude behaviors from them. So far, I've not seen the first good thing from any of them. They let their children run in stores like wild heathans...and we're suppose to respect and welcome them to our country???? I think not.

-- Posted by time2relax on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 3:44 PM

As one that has driven "south of the border", in just one city. My experience tells me that some folks are quite experienced at making a 2 lane road into 3 and a 3 lane road into 4. The first time I drove I felt like I was on a Nascar race track. I wonder if some if these "habits" follow them across the border. I do think we have to be careful and make sure we don't say "all" of a certain group are not following the laws of the road. The 2 times I was read ended was by teenagers not paying attention, while I was a teenager. I could say all teenagers were bad drivers, but the accidents were caused by inattentiveness(pre-cell phone days) and inexperience, but that would be wrong. I do think illegal drivers should be removed from the road, higher fines, or something. How are unlicensed drivers buying cars to start with, are they registered to them or someone else? That would be another law they would be would not be following.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 5:49 PM

Just to add a little humor, I want to file a complaint against the turkey and the deer I have hit in the last year and a half. They cost me way to much money. On a serious note, I do not think i would react well to being hit by either an illegal or an American . Especially if my child is in the car. I have been a witness to a couple of wrecks by a hispanic and they did not have a license or insurance. It is very frustrating to say the least.

-- Posted by For the kids on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Those selling the cars to them need to be prosecuted as well!

-- Posted by For the kids on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 5:54 PM

While working for Alcan, I spent a lot of time in Reynosa Mexico. I was amazed when I was told by a Mexican employee that you didn't have to take a written test or a driving test to get your driver license there, you just have to have a certain amount of Pasos. You sure could understand after seeing them drive down there. I refused to drive in Mexico. I was in the car when the police stopped us 2 times and both times they had a money pouch under their arm. I happened to be in the car both times with the plant manager and didn't have to feed their kitty.

-- Posted by Gale Barber on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 7:39 PM

I will still drive if needed down in Mexico, but I am quite aware of the hazzards, besides, at times I have had some very interesting experiences considering the vehicles I have driven. I have not experience the police yet, except for the border guards. I have been told that pesos can solve many problems in Mexico, but I try to hang around with my Mexican friends that steer me away from problem areas.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 7:58 PM

Correct me if I am wrong here but I am under the impression only the wealthy drive in Somalia and somehow I don't feel we are getting the wealthy here in the United States. So I wonder, if this is true, have most of these Somalis never driven a car until they came into the United States? So wouldn't that mean we are trying to teach people to drive cars and learn our laws who speak little to no English? Am I the only person who sees a problem with this?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 8:46 PM

I don't know much about Somalia, but I know down in Mexico if you can piece a car together and make it driveable, you can drive. I do think you should be able to learn our laws, and follow them, and read English to obtain a drivers license here no matter what country you migrated from.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Apr 8, 2008, at 10:25 PM

I know why there is such a bad drinking problem down in Mexico! I road in a taxi cab down there while sober ONE time. I never let that happen again.......

-- Posted by Dolittle on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 7:48 AM

In Somalia you are lucky to piece together a bicycle let a lone a car. But if you have been to Nashville lately you could say the majority of the taxi cab drivers are from Somalia or Sudan. Mosty hardworking people who are trying to make the most of their new life in the United States. It is a shame that a few bad apples may ruin the orchard.

-- Posted by mtsufan on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 9:52 AM

mtsufan

I haven't rode in a taxi in Nashville in a very long time but I can honestly say if they drive like these Somalis here. I would be reluctant to ride in a taxi with them.

The most scared I have ever been in my life was in New York City I rode from the airport to a hotel in a taxi at about 100 mph weaving in and out of traffic and the driver was American. I was honestly glad to get out of the taxi.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 10:04 AM

And I have still been looking for this in the paper..you'd think a 4 car accident would be news worthy.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 8:23 PM

Nope, cause they don't even remember how to spell the name of the individual involved.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 9:19 PM

Its sounds horrible, but every time I see a car wiht a somolian driver I try to get as far away as possible, but its not just them. My wife was hit by a mexican who was so drunk he could hardly hold his head up. She said it looked like he was passing out while driving and come over on her side of the road, she got as far in the ditch as she could and he just kinda scraped up her side. He never slowed down or even acknowledged she was there. That wasnt as bad as the city police and the chief of police telling us there was nothing that could be done, even though they knew which house he lived at. Basically they told us tough crap, get over it. So this will be a never ending problem until our law enforcement, (who are usually great btw) grow a pair and start enforcing laws on immigrants, illegal or otherwise .

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Apr 9, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Enforcement needs to apply to EVERYone.

It's not just the law or common sense.

How are you doing someone a favor by letting them risk their lives and maybe have to deal with having killed or maimed another person?

The kind thing to do would be preventing people from driving until they know what they're doing and not letting them drive in an impaired state.

That would improve the safety of all the people on the road-including the cops and emergency personnel who might get run down while performing their duties.

(BTW,DianaTn,if you haven't seen trees tootling down the road,you obviously haven't been drinking in the same places some of our drivers have. ;) )

-- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, Apr 10, 2008, at 5:49 AM

Do the Somilians that are driving actually have thier license? Almost every wreck I have seen lately involves them. As far as the licenses go and the hispanic drivers, I am not opposed to any of them getting a license, legal or illegal. The way I see it they should have to take the test in English and be required to carry insurance just like we do. That would be less of a burden financially on all of us, because most of them have proven they are going to drive regardless of having a license or not, so they may as well be held accountable just like the rest of us.

-- Posted by titansfan on Thu, Apr 10, 2008, at 7:01 AM

Some of you would be surprised to know how many Americans in this town don't have insurance. A few months ago, I went to city court for a ticket I had received. The court room was packed full of people, and I'd say at least 75% of people that were there for traffic tickets (speeding, running stop signs, etc.) did not have insurance either.

Most of them had the financial responsibility charged dropped because all they had to do was get insurance before they appeared in court that day.

A couple of people still didn't have insurance when they came to court. The judge asked them how they got to court. Their answer: They drove.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, Apr 10, 2008, at 2:18 PM

Richard, I noticed the same thing when I went to court for a traffic ticket - I was one of three people that had insurance. It was insane.

-- Posted by cfrich on Thu, Apr 10, 2008, at 6:31 PM

When funds get tight,it's easy to have insurance be the first thing to go and hard to "ground" oneself when there's still a need to get to work/look for work,buy food,go to appointments,etc.

(We don't have a lot of transportation alternatives-especially for the indigent.)

But,when these same people are in an automotive accident or have their person or property hurt in another way,they hope that the parties responsible have car insurance,homeowners' insurance,etc.

We need more trained and insured drivers but we need alternative means of getting around for those who shouldn't be out on the highway.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, Apr 10, 2008, at 11:09 PM

Insurance rates continue to climb people's wages are not climbing at the same rate. When people have to choose between feeding their children or car insurance, which one do you think will left out? Of course people are going to take care of their children first and foremost and I certainly do not blame them. These same people must still get to work even without car insurance because the rent, the lights, the gas for your car and food continues. Who is the blame here? Insurance Companies who are charging as much as the car payment for insurance, the employer who pays their workers next to nothing or the person struggling to get by on low wages?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Apr 11, 2008, at 10:23 AM

My goodness did you open a can of worms! To make matters worse, now we are going to have billboards posted at the entrances of our fair town to welcome even more refugees. We difinitely want the word to get out that Bedford County wants all the tired, the poor the huddled masses yearning to "live free". We'll furnish them a free education at the county taxpayers expense, we'll furnish them free housing and foodstamps at the federal tax payers expense; we'll pay higher and higher insurance premiums to cover the damage on our vehicles caused by illiterate, untrained, uninsured motorists and above all we'll tolerate their rude, disrespectful manners especially in the check-out lanes at Wal-mart.

Just look how many different instances have been recorded here on this page. I have a friend who was stopped at the stoplight at the bridge. The Somalians in front of her went under the light too far, put their car in reverse to back up to wait for the light to change; forgot to put the car back into drive and when the light changed, they plowed right into her brand new car. Of course it looked like she'd rear-ended them and luckily witnesses helped her prove it was not her fault. As the incident was investigated further, it was found out that this was not an isolated incident. They had figured out that if someone hits you in the rear-end, it's their fault and they could receive damages. It doesn't take too long for them to pick up on some things, so why can't they learn the language, culture and laws as easily?

-- Posted by writeattitude on Fri, Apr 11, 2008, at 1:25 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.