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Freedom to sag

Posted Tuesday, April 22, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Should municipalities -- or states -- regulate clothing styles?

From the Associated Press:

"A state Senate panel rejected a bill on Tuesday that would make it a crime to wear one's pants too low, even as about a dozen Cajun-country towns around Louisiana have been banning saggy pants from their streets.

"Sen. Derrick Shepherd's bill would have made it illegal to wear, in public, clothing that 'intentionally exposes undergarments or intentionally exposes any portion of the pubic hair, cleft of the buttocks or genitals.'

Seems to me at some point the concept of freedom of speech -- read "freedom of expression" -- comes into play, although I'd agree the line should be clearly drawn to prevent individuals from exposing themselves.

Common sense would involve filing indecent exposure charges against those who show too much while leaving alone those who simply look droopy.

I'm in no way backing public indecency. But start with banning clothing styles and things can escalate to banning totally decent forms of expression just because lawmakers don't like them.

Frankly, when I think Louisiana -- especially rural Louisiana -- I think "racism" and wonder if that factors into the above-mentioned law. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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-- Posted by misses on Sat, Apr 26, 2008, at 9:34 PM

Iam less offended by sagging than I am by the people that where their pants too tight and I can literally see EVERYTHING!! you know what I mean, 2 words "camel toe" lol..sorry but that's the nicest way to put it.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Maybe it's a good thing Robin Williams and Pam Dawber are preparing a new adventure of "Mork and Mindy".

(Could Jonathan Winters be "youthened" enough to continue the Mearth role or would they have to recast?

I guess the current,older Winters could play the couples' second child if they wanted to include their backwards aging offspring.)

If Mork and son brought back the fad of wearing galluses,we could have suspenders holding up pants if not character holding up standards of good sense.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 12:33 PM

I've always tried to teach my children to respect themselves. I don't think it should be up to lawmakers to make my child to pull his/her pants up. If my child respects himself by not showing his ignorance by showing his underwear then this in turn earns respect from others. As a parent this also reflects upon my parenting abilities.

There are other ways for children to express themselves with exposing themselves. Poor parenting is to blame for a lot of the things that we seee. Personally, I think it's disgusting to see someone's drawers and/or crack, especially if either of them is not clean.

This is where the parents (you know, the one's in charge) should step in. Parents should refuse to buy the clothes. Take control of the situation and say "I don't think so".

When I was teenager, if you had a nice body, you showed it off by wearing form fitting clothes. By doing it this way, it leaves something to the imagination. You didn't show it off by exposing yourself or your undergarments.

What I don't understand is this: Why would you want to walk around all day with one hand firmly gripped to the waistband of your pants just to keep them up? It seems that now-a-days children are raised without common sense or self respect.

-- Posted by time2relax on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 7:59 AM

Personally I don't care if you're sagging. Makes no difference to me, I will take some time to make fun of you. Especially if you walk as though you have a rock in one of your shoes, that's some funny stuff.

I must ask though...has no one else noticed the Senator's name?

-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 7:39 AM

There's a certain "survival of the fittest" element at work.

Those who make it cool to be uncomfortable or dysfunctional or copy destructive people create their own failure.

People who achieve style by being themselves,being at ease and being efficient not only seem more attractive,they don't have to overcome problems created by their look.

We don't have to accommodate every opinion that every person might have about our grooming and apparel.

We do need to find a look that reflects who we are and our respect for ourselves rather than just conform to a rule,make a designer rich or help us win a Darwin award.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Apr 22, 2008, at 5:15 PM

If people are going to ignore good taste anyway,perhaps clothing and hairstyle rules should be expressed in purely practical terms.

(Don't wear anything that could trip you,catch on fire,impair your vision,expose you to skin cancer or give you frostbite.)

In my youth,we didn't pay much attention to the prudes' reaction to the mini-skirt and hot pants.

We paid a lot of attention to the effect of black leather car seats with metal embellishment on bare thighs.

I suppose we do have to worry about concealed weaponry-even more than we do the crack problem that occurs when workers wear short t-shirts and waistbands around their hipbones.

I don't think we need to concern ourselves with bustiers,chemises, camisoles,corsets, and bloomers as outerwear.

If the way one looks is practical and doesn't involve obscenity,then public opinion alone should be enough to support classics that enhance our appearance over the less enticing fads.

I don't want the powers that be to get too strong a grip on how we express ourselves (by word,deed or fashion).

Some zealot might decide that the freedom to sag should be denied us even when we're naked.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Apr 22, 2008, at 4:45 PM

I think that may be some sort of anti-plumber law. The plumbers should unite in their freedom to show their "clefts". Seriously though, I think that it's not as much of a racial issue since you see white kids wearing their pants in the same manner. I think it's hilarious that these people are willing to wear their pants so that they have to maintain a constant grip on them to keep them from falling off. It reminds me of an article in the WSJ a while back. I had to search for it, but here's the entire article posted in the San Diego Union-Tribune: http://ww.uniontrib.com/uniontrib/200606....

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, Apr 22, 2008, at 4:14 PM

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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.