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When will Hillary admit defeat?

Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 9:00 AM

Imagine a brave, tough marathon runner.

On and on the runner goes, racing into the sunset, sweat pouring, determined to reach the finish line.

Problem is, the winner's already crossed the line and moved on. A valient try -- and, at this point, a wasted effort.

Yet Hillary Clinton refuses to back down.

There come times in many of our lives when one has to admit defeat and set new goals. It's time for Clinton to admit that she and Bill aren't going to run the country this time around.

I'm not thrilled about this fall's elections. Sabre-rattling John McCain says he won't negotiate with sworn enemies. Barack Obama may go too far to the other extreme.

Will we really leave Iraq? Will gas prices fall or keep rising? Is either major candidate prepared to handle those unexpected crises that suddenly pop up?

And, on issue after issue, candidates proclaim they'll fix the nation's problems despite the fact Congress and big business often wield the real power.

More hot air, just in time for summer.


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Why should Hillary admit defeat? Obama does not have enough delegates to secure the nomination either. Hillary is still winning states by large margins.This should show the DNC that she still has a lot of support. When you look at the popular vote Hillary is very close to Obama's numbers.

The question the DNC should be looking for is will Hillary supporters vote for Obama if he gets the nomination? All polls say over one third of Hillary's votes will go to McCain, and one in ten say they will not vote at all and another two percent will vote Independent. This will give McCain the leg up he needs.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 9:35 AM

I know I am one of those that will not vote for Obama if he wins the nomination . . . there are just too many questions surrounding his ability to do the job. I will more and likely vote for an independent(especially if Ron Paul is still on the ticket).

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 10:06 AM

I know I am one of those that will not vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. He tells people that he will give them everything, but has yet to tell how he will be able to do it. I will not vote for McCain since he looks to much like Bush and we sure don't need any more of anything that looks like him. So I will likely vote for an independent also, even if it looks like it will be Obama or McCain that will win.

-- Posted by Lower Taxes Please on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 12:26 PM

Think Bob Barr.

-- Posted by jim8377 on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 6:28 PM

Diana and jaxspike.. Will you vote for Obama if Hillary joins his ticket? Or vice-versa? Just a thought, because it seems like they will have no choice since they have done EXACTLY what the Republicans have hoped for, divided the party right down the middle...

For two overly brilliant people, they've let the slaughtering of one another's character become too bitter and thus have alienating each other. They will almost have no choice but to join forces. But until then, I don't like polls, I don't like projections and I don't like unfounded speculation.... I just want ALL of the votes to be recounted, and I think FL and MI should have a revote. I mean, who's going to explain to them that they matter in November, since their elected officials decided not to make them part of history in the primaries... How pathetic this entire thing has turned out. Sadly enough... But there is time for redemption... Meanwhile, WHERE is the news coverage concerning Mr. Ethical and Mighty McCain's campaign members???? You have to dig deep for that... You know, all those people who talked about Obama's pastor and him having "ties with Rev. Wright", yet COMPLETELY dismiss McCain's ties with crooks have given aid to the world's most notorious regimes/dictators... B/S.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 8:10 PM

darrick

I am not sure I could vote for Obama even as Hillary's VP much less the other way around.

I will be voting independent I was in hopes that would have been Ron Paul but that does not seem to be the case.

Much more than that, Obama will never ask Hillary to be his VP. I just get the feeling he thinks he can do it without her and nothing could be further from the truth.

As far as McCain's ties to crooks, they all have ties with crooks, even Hillary.

Don't get me wrong I am not taking up for McCain but he is definitely the lesser of two evils between him and Obama.

It also seems very evident that all Obama's rumors about his ties with Rev Wright and what his church actually stood for, turned out to be fact not rumors. Not that I actually care what Rev Wright believes he is not running for President of the United States of America, Obama is but he stood by his pastor and his friend until he saw it was hurting him.

Obama is what most people call an empty suit he can talk pretty but offers no solutions. Obama has done nothing for Illinois and will continue riding on the coat tails of others. I can not imagine his wife as first lady of our country. I could go on and on and on about why I refuse to vote for Obama like the way he never stood on any issues, he voted present more than any other Senator in America, his views on Partial Birth Abortion, his blatant views against The Infant Born Alive Act..( I am pro-choice and I don't believe that is right).I am not going to rehash everything about Obama we all know how he feels and what his views are and if you don't know then you are voting for him for one reason and one reason only...because he is black and that is just as racist as someone not voting for him because he is black.

I want all the votes to count also, FL and MI should be counted. Funny thing is Obama is the one who doesn't want this but yet he has been there begging for their votes in November (like he already has the nomination).If I lived in FL or MI I would feel like if he didn't want my vote to count in the primary then he shouldn't want my vote in November.

So no in answer to your question: This bitter, gun toting American will never vote for Obama even if Jesus Christ was his running mate.

I am not one little bit happy about having to abandon my party but I feel like the Democratic party has abandoned us.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 9:17 PM

Now I WOULD vote for him if Jesus Christ were his running mate.

(I like Jesus even better than Ron Paul.)

Too bad our Lord wasn't born in this country.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 10:07 PM

It was just a figure of speech, quantumcat.

I don't think Jesus would want the job, to be honest with you, in fact I am not sure why anybody would want it..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 10:30 PM

Amen to that quantumcat....

Gut feeling, come November their are going to be alot of angry people, then everyone will be showing their "True Colors". 8^ [

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 10:31 PM

Diana I respect your views wholeheartedly and you are completely entitled to them. :) Nice to be back on here, every now and then. I still think they should run on the same ticket. But that is my opinion, as well as some leading strategists for both candidates.

I just want this to be over, and I feel that if McCain gets it, then our country has NOT learned its lesson. The last 8 years have been abysmal for many people, not so much for me or my family, but still for the majority of people, it has been. If we continue to put "more of the same" in office, then how on God's green earth will we ever move forward?

I say we all write in Ron Paul. It sickens me to no end, that the media will NOT give him a moment of coverage. :(

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 10:59 PM

Don't get me wrong I am not taking up for McCain but he is definitely the lesser of two evils between him and Obama.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 9:17 PM

I disagree. A vote for Mccain is a vote for 4 more years of George Bush. No one could be worse than that. John Mccain has been getting a free ride as the Democrats have been fighting each other. That is about to change.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 11:36 PM

Again. I am not taking McCain's side but he is not George Bush and he is a very Liberal Republican.(whatever that means to you)

Do I think McCain will get us out of Iraq? No but I don't think Obama will either. I also believe Obama will put us in a much more dangerous war.

Right now our economy is in such sad shape that it would take an act of God to just put our head above water. Regardless of who is elected we won't be seeing much of a difference in our life for quite some time to come. We can not expect miracles from any candidate, they are all human not wizards. It took 8 years to get us where we are today and it is going to take more than 4 years to get us out.

Right now all we are getting is promises from every candidate, we do not have the funds to pursue the projects they want without taxing us to death. And I don't know about you guys but I can't take much more taxes or I will be working just to pay taxes.

Honestly I feel sorry for whoever is elected because of all the hype for hope and change, people are really buying into this crap, like they will get elected and all of a sudden life will be a bowl of cherries. Sadly it will not happen and whoever is elected will become the next hated President because of unfulfilled promises.

Right now I am just looking for someone to stop our country from sinking further down the sewer. Bringing it up from the sewer is not an option until we stop the sinking.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 11:37 PM

Richard I am against the Iraq war as much as anybody but sometimes there is a need for war and there is always a need for protection of our country.

Obama wants to disarm America..would you feel safe if we disarmed our weapons and left us open to attacks without anything to fight back with? Please do keep in mind ALL the countries who have no problem proclaiming their hate for us these days.

I certainly don't think now is the time to even consider any weapons being disarmed nor do I think there should be any cuts in our military funds. But Obama thinks it is what needs to be done.

here's you a YOUTUBE Video also

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, May 21, 2008, at 11:58 PM

Dianatn,

I would feel safer in a world without nuclear weapons, as Obama said in that video, but I don't see that happening. We could cut military funds if we stopped trying to police the world, and didn't start wars with nations that were no threat to us. 600 billion dollars have been spent in a needless war in Iraq, and you wonder why this country is going down the sewer.

If John Mccain gets in the White House, the war in Iraq will continue for at least four more years, a war that has not made us safer, and should have never been started. Even worse, John Mccain seems determined to start another war with Iran, and if that happens, you won't think Rev. Wright or Michele Obama are very important then.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 12:59 AM

I don't think John McCain wants to start a war with Iran but he isn't going to run from them either and he sure isn't going to sit down for tea and cookies with them.

Obama doesn't think Iran poses a threat to us.

This is what Obama said about Iran:

"If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen. That doesn't mean we agree with them on everything. We might not compromise on any issues, but at least, we should find out other areas of potential common interest, and we can reduce some of the tensions that has caused us so many problems around the world."

I would like to know what common interest we could possibly have with Iran?

Obama is apparently not aware that Ahmadinejad has made it clear that he is in no mood to sit down with Americans unless the Americans know their place. "The American administration," he said in 2006, "is still dreaming of returning the Iranian people 30 years backwards. As long as America has this dream, these [relations] will not happen." What should America do instead? "They should wake up from this dream and see the facts. They should change their behavior and mend their ways. They should take a fair position. We have told them what they have to do, and if they do it, there will be no problem as far as we are concerned." As if that weren't clear enough, he warned America and its allies that "if you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender.

With this understanding, the Iranian mullahs might be forgiven for assuming that if Obama is coming to them hat-in-hand, he must be weak. Given Ahmadinejad's oft-repeated declarations that Israel will soon cease to exist (it was only last week that he said that it was "on its way to annihilation"), weakness might not be the wisest thing to project to them at this point.

Unless, of course, the bright new President Obama is prepared to deal with a nuclear mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv. That will certainly give him and Ahmadinejad plenty to talk about.

And Richard my dear if this happens you will be wishing someone was in power strong enough to provide us with safety, not chats with terrorist.

Now I am done talking about this it bothers me greatly to even think of what would happen from "talks" with Iran.

Vote however you wish, just be sure you have all your facts straight before you judge.

Good night

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 2:10 AM

Diana, the SAME people who sold us the "War in Iraq" are trying to sell this huge threat from Iran...

Wake up and realize it. Since when has negotiating with supposed foreign threats such a bad thing? Can you believe Obama would actually have the balls to sit down and tell these people, "look, if you calm down and reduce your rate of weapons development we can be allies"... What in the hell happened to making friends instead of pissing off everyone? You mentioned, it's obvious everyone is upset with the U.S, well what better way to keep it like that than to demand EVERYONE else but US get rid of the weapons. It makes no sense dear.

I am not saying Obama is perfect, by all means he is FAR from perfect, but if you are going to tell us that somehow more fear-mongering from the right-wing Neo Cons is better than "hope and change" then you have succumb to the unreal fear that Bush and others had hoped you would.

Muslims are wonderful people, and most of the folks in Iraq and Iran are... Think about it, you are NOTHING like Bush, neither am I, but just by association we are who the world "hates". So, instead of fighting hate with more hate, let's fight it true justice, empathy, communication, and willingness to LISTEN to people instead of foolishly going into wars that are useless, because a vote for McCain, will get you another one.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 7:21 AM

And by the way I like Hillary. I don't think she should quit... Nobody else wants to be told to quit BEFORE the game is over.

It's like telling your favorite sports team to just give up when you go into the 4th quarter down 50-30... You've never seen a team come back from such a deficit? Well, they have, and she can. I think she should continue on, but with a message about beating McCain, not Obama...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 7:27 AM

When does a woman ever back down...Not many...I am one. She will keep going until there is no place to go..Then maybe she will back down and stop....

-- Posted by rebelrose on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:33 AM

Hillary is very scarey!!!

-- Posted by reader_2 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:36 AM

Muslims are wonderful people? Please do introduce me to the ones you have met that are wonderful.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:01 AM

Maybe scary is what we need.

Some people have very strange ideas about women.

They react totally differently to a Margaret or Indira in authority than they would a male saying or doing the same thing.

(This can be good or bad.)

The further these people are from judging folks on their own merits,the more flummoxed they become by a woman's earning (rather than usurping) authority.

A Ms. Rice or any "underling" who exhibits competency and self-assurance would throw the opposition.

If such people are reluctant to work with a capable person of the "wrong" sort,they dare not risk being defeated by them.

They have quite a dilemma.

If a black/female/Christian/whatever is as bad as the stereotypes,then we've elected some erratic twit who could blow them to Kingdom Come because the bathwater was too hot.

If our leader is sane,decent and skilled,then they are revealed as having stifled their own people based on a lie.

I would like McCain based on his time in the service.

I wish I could be sure he would be his own man (better yet,God's man) but,as an upper class WASP male,he'd be seen as business as usual.

We need SOMEone (I care more about character than demographics) who would reassure our allies about their integrity and good sense while leaving potential foes wary of what taking on this wild card would mean.

I worry that we might have a tendency to give a free ride to anyone based on their gender,creed,ethnicity or party affiliation.

That's as bad as denying their ability based on the same criteria.

We won't have achieved a society that judges on real qualifications until people who are "different" are allowed to be just as individual in their wisdom and virtue as the people just like us.

Maybe,if we pick someone who's unlike the conventional candidates,we'll all be forced to see the person instead of the boxes we want to put them in.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:26 AM

Dianatn,

It's called diplomacy, something that Bush and Mccain know nothing about. The threat we face from Iran is nothing compared to the threat we faced from the Soviets during the Cold War. They had 40,000 nuclear weapons, and we didn't need to go to to war, and we talked to the Soviet Union. It's a good thing Mccain and Bush weren't in charge back then, if they are so concerned about Iran possibly trying to build ONE.

Maybe the reason Iran is talking tough and possibly seeking weapons is because we invaded their next door neighbor for no real reason, and they think they are going to be next. If Mccain becomes President, they will be.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 12:46 PM

Isn't this funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeaFXaPx1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrEdjaJt9...

Of course it is not real, but rigged or tampered with. I found this by clicking on some of the other videos that was at the side of the Obama video Dianatn. posted above. I couldn't hear the video well so I clicked on the other videos to see if the others where hard to hear. After clicking and listening to different ones I came across these, they are Funny, and Hilarious.

Richard your videos of McCain is exactly why I would not want him for a President. McCain is spacy when he talks, and don't seem to know what he is talking about, and seems to have to be coached on what to say, or what not to say.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Richard that may be what Iran is thinking. Song - Barbara Ann, Bomb Iran; And then McCain makes joke about it with some veterans.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xu29F8NfRvI&f...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I&f...

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 3:10 PM

Richard

I am not voting for McCain either so actually you are preaching to the choir but I am NOT voting for Obama either.

We just have different ideas on who wishes war with whom...you see McCain as an enemy to Iran and I see Obama as an enemy to Israel (wanting to team up with Iran against Israel).

Either way it is war.

But I dare say if McCain and Obama were the only 2 choices we had then I would certainly vote for McCain.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Diana,

You've never met a Muslim who is a good person? Perhaps you should venture outside of Shelbyville, like say at MTSU where there are hundreds of Muslims who are EXTREMELY nice people, kind hearted and would never wish harm on ANYONE... How dare you categorize all of one race into on generalization...

I have never heard such backwards thinking from a profoundly intelligent human being.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 5:41 PM

Here's a statement from Obama's book:

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

-- Posted by cfder on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 6:19 PM

And here are more:

1. "...if we don't change course soon, we may be the first generation in a very long time that leaves behind a weaker and more fractured America than the one we inherited." (p. 9)

2. "I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of government programs don't work as advertised." (p. 10)

3. "I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers." (p. 10)

4. "I carry few illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence of our military." (p. 11)

5. "I reject a politics that is based solely on racial identity, gender identity, sexual orientation, or victimhood generally." (p. 11)

6. "...I would partner up with even my most conservative colleagues to work on a piece of legislation, and over a poker game or a beer we might conclude that we had more in common than we publicly cared to admit." (p. 17)

7, ..."What's troubling is the gap between the magnitude of our challenges and the smallness of our politics - the ease with which we are distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our seeming inability to build a working consensus to tackle any big problem." (p. 22)

8. "...We will need to remind ourselves, despite all our differences, just how much we share: common hopes, common dreams, a bond that will not break." (p. 25)

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 6:35 PM

Muslim is not a race it is a religion. No different than Obama calling the Appalachians people, Bitter,uneducated, gun toting people who cling to their Bible.

Or matter of fact no worse than some of the things you yourself have said about the Christian religion.

Or even worse yet judging the entire Republican population on George W Bush's views.

And just for your information I have lived in 37 of the 50 states so I would say I have more than traveled outside my realm of Shebyville. I also deal with Muslims everyday who live here in Shelbyville I know the kind of people they are and how they feel about us as Americans. Now if they didn't want us to judge all Muslims by the ones who are coming into the United States maybe they should consider an attitude adjustment.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

-- Posted by cfder on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 6:19 PM

You should read the actual book instead of posting quotes out of context. Here is the actual quote:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

You see, he was referring to the anti- muslim sentiment in this country, from people such as Dianatn, who stereotype and blame an entire group of people for the actions of a few. This is the same backwards thinking that caused innocent Japanese Americans to be imprisoned after Pearl Harbor. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 8:36 PM

AMEN!

Diana, perhaps the reason you run into so many negative people, say Hispanics, Somalians, and Muslims, is because what comes around goes around... How on earth do you expect courtesy and respect when you classify and entire group of people as evil, rude, and mean spirited... I have met many, white AMERICANS who portray the ver same attitude, and should seek the very same adjustment, but that doesn't mean ALL white Americans are the same as a few.

It's obvious your feelings stem somewhere far deeper than someone's attitude, it stems from the fear mongering you have been diluted with. And of all people, you're the last I would expect to be completely closed off to an entire group of people based on the actions of a simple minority...

Like I said, you shouldn't find it puzzling that a few Muslims/Jews/etc think all of us are like George Bush, Dick Cheney and the Right-wing elitest party... Because you think all of them are horrible, no good, very bad people, and that is so far from the truth, I can't even begin to think of how you form such an idea.

Anyways, Clinton will probably win atleast 2 of the remaining 3 primaries :) And Richard, thanks so much for the REAL quote...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 8:58 PM

I guess Obama didn't say this either in his book "Dreams From My Father"

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-

It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-

But I am sure he wasn't stereotyping, he was just talking about "Typical" white people.

BTW I have read both of his books long before any of this actually came out in the news and both are very informative if you can actually read them without thinking of Obama as the Savior..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:14 PM

I formed my opinion by watching Muslims burn our flag and shout Death to Americans.

By watching them drag dead bodies of our troops though their streets.

By watching them behead our citizens.

By watching the twin towers fall to the ground, by seeing our Pentagon hit by planes powered by them.

By seeing the pain of people jumping to their deaths from fear.

By watching love ones bury their dead from their terrorist acts.

Yes these people were extremist I agree with that but please do tell me how you tell the difference?

You certainly do not do that by walking into my office and demand that I help you.

You certainly do not show me you are not full of hate when you spit and throw things at me just because you can not speak English.

You certainly do not show me your kindness by refusing to give simple information and shouting "I hate Americans"

And again for your information I have been at the same job for 5 years and have come in contact with people everyday from every walk of life and every race and never have I ever had a problem with any of them...UNTIL NOW.

Now is it me? Anyone who knows me knows better I have helped more people Black, White, Hispanic, Indian or who ever walks into my office for help than you have ever even met in your short lifetime. But it is hard to help those who refuse to give any respect or help themselves...

But the question was are they extremist?

I certainly hope they aren't but we really can't be sure can we? Not by their actions anyway.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:58 PM

Hmm...

Muslims flew planes into our buildings? Explain why 7 of the "9/11 hi- jackers" are still alive and well today? Wouldn't they be DEAD if they flew the planes into the buildings? Explain why we have had NO real investigation of the attacks, instead we had CONFISCATION of evidence (just do the research)...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijack...

Oh, you didn't like the "Muslims" dragging dead soldiers through their streets? How soon you forget about the Abu Ghraib scandal? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/wor...

Or better yet the fact that WE INVADED THE WRONG COUNTRY?!?!?

You watched them behead our citizens? So what not even 20 dead citizens, and 600,000 dead Iraqi citizens? PLEASE. Justify that.

About the towers and people jumping to their deaths... It was a set-up, just listen to the FIRST reports, the EYE WITNESS accounts of bombs being set off, and Cameras catching all of this on film...

About the Pentagon, tell me how a Boeing 757 only managed a tiny hole in the Pentagon and try explaining why the gas station that caught this on tape was confiscated? I mean, we were allowed to see the planes hit the towers, why can't we see the "plane" hit the Pentagon... Is that because IT DIDN'T?

I don't know how many people walk into your office and demand you help them, but I can guarantee you there are JUST AS MANY white American citizens who do the same things and who contribute no more to the country than the other folks you describe.

So, you counter "I hate Americans" with "Muslims are wonderful people?" As if some cynical remark justifies your bigotry. Countering hate with hate is never going to improve anything.

You gotta love how you say you've never had a problem with ANY of these people yet, you're very outspoken about the immigration policy (legal and illegal), you obviously can't stand Muslims (even those you don't know, who would do more for you than you could imagine), and you were also outspoken about slavery... There are THREE instances where your true feelings shine, so don't pretend you're so warm and inviting to all these multi-cultural people and THEY are the ones constantly in the wrong. I find that completely one-sided, b/c none of the people you speak of can tell their side of the story.

Anyways, I am hoping for a Clinton/Obama ticket... And I can't wait until all of the crap you spew becomes some of the most regrettable things you've ever said, because someone has the audacity of hope.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 11:36 PM

I cant imagine the taxes we would have to pay with an Obama/Clinton presidency. The little bit of freedoms we have left will be gone gone gone. It will be the beginning of a socialist America.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 12:08 AM

Stereotyping-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-

It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-

But I am sure he wasn't stereotyping, he was just talking about "Typical" white people.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:14 PM

Ingratiating -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingratiatio...

This was Obama at age "12-13 years old" saying he stopped advertising his moms race because he began suspecting it was an attempt to get whites to like him, accept him, show favor to him.

This does not have anything to do with picking what side he was on, or showing his loyalty to the "Black Masses" as you put it.

This was a child who was wanting to be accepted by both races, obviously. You are letting your own prejudices take over what you are reading and hearing, and in turn are missing the whole concept of what a person is saying.

I believe darrick_04, Richard, and jesusloveseveryone has picked up what I have picked up. If a person has a negative feeling toward certain people it is going to show in their attitude and actions.

I don't know what type of job you have where Somali people "Not Muslims" (Because muslim is a Religion) come walking into your office everyday demanding you help them, and they are spitting and throwing things at you, and shouting I Hate Americans to you.

Perhaps the Customer Service you give is rude, poor, not really trying to help them, or putting forth an effort with the lack of communication of the Somalis people. Perhaps your "Formed Opinion" of the "Muslims" burning our flag, dragging dead bodies of our troops, and watching them behead our citizens, etc. etc. etc. has created "HATE" in your heart towards them, and it shows in the service you give to them.

What you said, reminded me when I was at the police station about a year ago picking up a police report, a somali lady got into it with a woman in a office about paying $10.00 for a police report. The woman thought all she had to do was pick it up, and did not understand why she had to pay money to get a copy from the police station.

The lady walked out upset, I did not hear the arguing but I heard the office lady saying don't get mad at me, everybody else pays $10.00 so you have the do the same, and remember her saying that the somali girl said she "Hate Americans".

I have seen Rudeness, disrespect, and prejudice in other races as well as seen politeness, respect, and caring of other races in these different races. There is good and bad in all races. We can not keep going around with HATE in our hearts toward people that are different than us (Religion, Race, culture, beliefs, sex, age, etc.)

Hate brings about Death and Destruction one way or another. It will consume you, and rule your life. If it can not manifest outward "By word or actions" then it will manifest inward, "By sickness and disease" attacking your body, and can kill. I'm not saying these somali's are perfect little angels, nor am I saying Obama is a angel either.

Don't let their ways create hate in you, There are people alot more meaner, ruder and have raped, killed, tortured that are Americans, and are of many races. Things will eventually calm down with them on their behavior, and dealings with the American people once they get use to how things are done here. And perhaps they will learn how to smile back, or say Hello one day. : )

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 3:01 AM

When I read of Obama's childhood decision,I inferred little about the whites but more about a boy who had begun wondering about possible self-hatred and denial of his black heritage.

I see a boy who was excelling so well at being "white" (despite his obvious lineage) that he was at risk of becoming an "Oreo" and convincing his mother's people that his virtues existed *despite* his Negro genes and influences.

I see a lad who chose to suppress identification with the dominant culture to embrace that which was good and powerful about his father's line.

This smacks of more guilt than disdain for whites.

Perhaps,it's past time for him to claim all his forbears and to affirm himself as Barack Obama-not a Black man,not a White man or any other so-called race.

He might seem more trustworthy if he could let himself be Barry-a multi-faceted,gifted and finite member of the HUMAN race.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 5:29 AM

>>>>I don't know how many people walk into your office and demand you help them, but I can guarantee you there are JUST AS MANY white American citizens who do the same things and who contribute no more to the country than the other folks you describe.<<<<

I can guarantee you that you are 100% wrong!!!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 8:56 AM

I realize there are some who believe 9/11 never happened but I don't buy into that theory.

As far as me hating all Muslims because of what happened on 9/11 nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate the Japanese people because of Pearl Harbor and my father was there..

I don't hate all Muslims just because of the actions of some few.

In fact I don't hate them at all.

I do not work in customer services either..I work for Social Services.

Big Difference!!!

I still try to help everyone who comes to me for help but can not help those who will not help themselves.

Never in all my life have I had anyone talk to me the way I have been talked to by the Somalis who live in Shelbyville.

Even though I still try to give each of them the benefit of the doubt when they walk into my office. It usually ends the same way.

You can go back to the article that the t-g did about the Somalis and see what is happening all over Shelbyville.

But I guess we are all just making this up because of our hate...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 9:11 AM

David

I am well aware I am getting completely off the subject (politics is not my game even though our presidential candidates are causing me great concern) but would you please give us an update about your Dad's condition? I am anxious to hear from him. Thanks

-- Posted by countrygal2008 on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 12:30 PM

Yes!

I confess,I'd assumed no news was good news.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Dianatn, your last post was completely contridactory to statements you have already made. Everybody reading this has already figured out how you truly feel, so it's pointless for you to try to keep explaining it.

It's also pointless to try to debate real issues in the presidential race with you because you took one look at Obama and his name, and knew right away you would never vote for him. All of the other reasons you mentioned, all of the dirt that you have tried to dig up, was all done after your mind was already made up. I know it, and you know it.

-- Posted by Richard on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Gee Richard I am so glad you think you are so smart..

Typical Obama Supporter!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Uh... That makes no sense. LOL. Sounds like something the Republican attack machine would say.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 10:56 PM

Sorry I don't speak Political rhetoric

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 12:27 AM

Well you're feeding us all political B/S...

Describe the "typical Obama supporter" why don't you. Are you like the media now and try so hard to categorize everyone into groups? Why can't an Obama supporter be just an Obama supporter and not have to be labeled as belonging to any particular group...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 6:40 AM

These are the FACES of the "Typical" Barack Obama supporter.

THESE are THEIR comments in response to a new CNN poll that has

Clinton with a 43% lead over Obama (c66% - o23%) in West Virginia:

"SOOOOOOO…..THE BLANK …..WHAT"

"Give me a break CNN! This isn't news- She's irrelevant"

"West Virginia is barely a state- She can take the entire thing- so what"

"She wins the uneducated, white vote all the time…..who cares!"

"Where is West Virginia and what do they do there???"

Obamacrats describe West Virginia's voters like this;:

"Remember the movie 'Deliverance' ? Need I say more ?"

"It's just a bunch of "backwards" country racist hicks!!"

"Ummm, isn't West Virginia the outhouse capital of the country?"

"If I was her I wouldn't even claim that win- I'm just sayin…"

"That's because people in West Virginia are poor and uneducated"

"Well of course she holds a 60% lead in WV, their all related to one another"

"Hillary can be proud to win all the inbred votes to be had in WV!"

"They probably think having shoes is elitest- Look for HRC to be barefoot a lot"

"Perhaps she'll hold a victory speech on the back of a pickup at a Klan rally"

"They speak the same Hillbilly language- Billary must have a cousin there

Who wouldn't vote for their cousin?"

then in the SAME post in a jovial stand up comic change of...tone...endorse:

"LOL of course Hillary will have a huge lead there

This is one of the most academically depressed states in the USA

They aren't smart enough to see the value of Obama!"

"yea, just slit her throat and dump her in a river in East Kentucky

Appalachians...Shessh, they're the worst"

And it's just not the CNN site it's everywhere anyone talks about the campaign. There are pages after pages of comments just like these some much worse.

This is the very reason Hillary supporters refuse to vote for Obama not because of his race or any scandal. This has been going on the entire campaign.

It is also the very thing that is going to lose Obama the election.

This is one of the biggest reasons he is unelectable....his supporters because we all know that you not only elect a President you elect his supporters.

I have lived through alot of elections in my lifetime and NEVER have I Ever seen the Democratic party so divided.

How can Obama bring the country together as he promises when he can't even bring the Democratic party together?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 10:56 AM

Hmm... I wonder what McCain supporters are saying? LMFAO...

And about bringing the party together... How can Hillary do it? How can ANYONE? You can't, because your hate and bigotry won't allow you to see past his skin color, or his last name in order to understand that policy is all that matters.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 5:00 PM

McCain supporters aren't saying much right now. This battle is between Hillary and Obama. McCain already has the Republican nomination.

If it makes me a bigot and full of hate because I will not vote for a man who I do not agree with then I will accept that name. There is nothing wrong with a black man or woman being elected President of the United States as long as they are the right person. I don't think Obama is that person, plain and simple.Thus I will not vote for him it has nothing to do with the fact he is black, which BTW he's only half black.

But keep in mind there is no difference in voting against someone because he is black and voting for someone just because he IS black.

Obama is the one who says he will unite the country not Hillary, those words are his..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Well, just remember the same crap you speak of, was said about Clinton because his ideas were radically different than the Reagan/Bush (12 year) reign. And little by little he began to cause Congress to work together and actually get things done.

So, let's just see what happens... If things look substantially better in 4 years and Obama is president, I won't need your apology for making the wrong decision, I'll instead prefer your apology subverting to Bush-like tactics to keep someone out of office who maybe, just MAY BE able to unify the country. I'm sorry you've become used to a two-party system that has torn the country apart, others are seeking ways to not only untie their party, but are focused on uniting the country...

With all that said, I still hope Hillary and Obama join up.

Lastly, I am white, have been my entire life, and I won't vote for Obama because he's black, I won't refuse to vote for him because he is. I will however look past the color of his skin and seek the content of his character.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 11:00 PM

jesuslovesevery1, there is no need to argue with Dainatn; she is entitled to her beliefs, and her decisions like you, I, and everyone.

"Typical" means: regular, normal, what's to be expected.

"A typical suit for work". "A typical Thanksgiving dinner". "A typical Black male". "A typical white male". "A typical day at the office".

Nothing bad said here. When I am struggling financially, or having a hard time in life; You better believe I am down on my knees praying to God, and listening to the word of God, and asking for prayers just like alot of other people do in need. (In other words clinching to my bible).

If my life, or the life of my family is in a position as to wear I feel I need to go armed, then so be it. (I will be clinching to my guns).

Jobs are scarce, money is tight, food and gas are going up, and people are loosing their homes. With that being said how many people have you heard post on times-gazette blogs about somalis', hispanics, and illegals taking jobs, living off my or your tax dollars etc? So what "Obama" said, he was speaking true statements, and it did not come off offensive (to me).

But you seem to be making a big deal out of those statements. What did it come off to you like?

Do you pray, and want to have a closer relationship with God when you are in need?

If you needed to defend your life or family's for what ever the case, would you keep some sort of protection close to you, (near by)?

Do you feel or have you complained about our economy and feel like foriegnors, illegals, immigrants, etc. that have jobs, or living off welfare, etc., (Especially since you are the case worker over them, or what ever you do there)are straining our economy more, and have complained about this?

If so, this is what he is saying. And it is the truth! People do feel this way, and respond this way. I am not trying to get you to vote for Obama, I'm not sure I am going to vote for him either, I just know some of the things you are saying about him, or things you are claiming he said are not what he is saying or is true.

I will say, I do not like the way Rev. Wright talks, and I would not be a member of his church; and I would not want my President having a pastor preach/talk the smart-allot (sp.) tones that he does. And I am wanting to know Obamas' thoughts on a few other Issues, Gay marriage- is a difinite fight going on, that I am not for. What exactly he plans on doing about this war, and other countries that are at or want war with us. As well as Healthcare, jobs, etc. And I like to know the same from Hillary too.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 8:30 PM

Why are you opposed to Gay Marriage when the divorce rate in this country is higher than the marriage rate??? I mean, the "sanctity of marriage" has already been ruined by heterosexuals like me (though I am not divorced).

If you want to protect the "sanctity of marriage" then make DIVORCE (for petty reasons) illegal, not gay marriage. It's sad how such an imperfect system is trying to keep others from giving it a try. Perhaps all the homophobic people are scared that gay marriages could actually last longer than their own. And what business is it of mine if two guys on the west coast get married, or two chicks from Massachusetts decided to tie the knot. It's no more MY decision to grant them that opportunity as it is theirs to grant me a heterosexual marriage opportunity.

I think if the roles were reversed and gays kept the homophobes from getting married, we'd see what the fuss was about.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 9:08 PM

I have no idea where you or anyone else comes off thinking I hate the Somalis because I don't and never said I did.

Although I do hate their actions and if you were in the position I was in you would feel the same way. No one deserves to the treated with disrespect especially someone who is trying to help you.

As far as the illegals go, yes I do feel they are taking jobs that could be done by Legal Citizens. Even though I do know many Hispanics right now living in Shelbyville who are illegal and I would never in this lifetime turn them in to INS. They are the sweetest people I have ever come in contact with and I am proud to call them my friends.

So I guess I can't complain to much.

Typical is the type word that changes it's meaning according to how it is used.

If you and your husband are having an argument and he storms at you "You are just a hard headed Typical Woman" Would you find that remark Offensive? I know I would..but hey I wear my feelings on my shoulders anyway.

There are many things I do not like about Obama none of which have one thing to do with the fact he is half black.

Obama seems to associate with some pretty seedy people. I really dislike his wife for a number of reasons besides he not being proud of America until recently.

I don't like his voting Record. I don't like many things he stands for including supporting Partial Birth Abortions and voting against the Infant Born Alive Act.

I am glad he supports Stem Cell Research .I also agree with him that being gay or lesbian is not a choice.

But he does oppose gay marriage, supports civil union & gay equality.

I remember the first time I heard Obama speak I thought then he was exactly what this country needed but it seems the more I hear him the less I like him.

Many of the things Obama says he wants to do I agree with but he has yet to say how he will pay for any of this. Even if we left Iraq today we are still $9,397,802,849,838.39 in debt which amounts to $30,908.08 per United States citizen's portion of the debt.

Personally I can not afford any more taxes..between taxes and insurance I am nickeled and dimed to death.

I honestly hope for the good of America Obama can accomplish everything he sets out to do but I can not in clear conscience support him.

On the Issues is a good website to see what each candidate thinks and votes for

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Why are you opposed to Gay Marriage when the divorce rate in this country is higher than the marriage rate??? I mean, the "sanctity of marriage" has already been ruined by heterosexuals like me (though I am not divorced).

Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 9:08 PM

So you think allowing Gay marriage, is going to make things better? I think not, but much the opposite. Many young people (man and woman "Like it is suppose to be")fall in love and get married before they actually know who they are marrying. And very quickly get a divorce; these same people end up marrying and divorcing more than 2 or 3 times during their life time. (No Guidance there).

Gay and lesbian relationships, tend to jump partners often, and have many partners often. Not alot of them keep a long life partner relationships that you here about, more like promiscuous relationships. So to let them get married, the divorce rate will be through the roof. : ( (JMO)

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:12 PM

"I have no idea where you or anyone else comes off thinking I hate the Somalis because I don't and never said I did. Although I do hate their actions and if you were in the position I was in you would feel the same way". Posted by Dianatn on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM

"It's obvious your feelings stem somewhere far deeper than someone's attitude, it stems from the fear mongering you have been diluted with. Because you think all of them are horrible, no good, very bad people, and that is so far from the truth, I can't even begin to think of how you form such an idea". Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 8:58 PM

"I formed my opinion by watching Muslims burn our flag and shout Death to Americans.

By watching them drag dead bodies of our troops though their streets.

By watching them behead our citizens.

By watching the twin towers fall to the ground, by seeing our Pentagon hit by planes powered by them.

By seeing the pain of people jumping to their deaths from fear" etc. Posted by Dianatn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:58 PM

"I said (Perhaps) has created hate. And don't let their ways (Create) hate. Constant dislike of something will become hate.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 1:33 AM

Gay and lesbian relationships, tend to jump partners often, and have many partners often. Not alot of them keep a long life partner relationships that you here about, more like promiscuous relationships. So to let them get married, the divorce rate will be through the roof. : ( (JMO)

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:12 PM

ACTUALLY, if you had done your research you'd know that all of that is JUST YOUR OPINION, because in the European countries, and Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal, they have seen a small but steady decline in the divorce rate. Perhaps that is because people don't have to get married just to make mama and daddy happy, and can actually be THEMSELVES... I like your idea though, let them get married, and let them prove that even if they get divorced, it leaves NO EXCUSE as to way heterosexual marriages continue to fail....

I often find it hilarious, though, that complete strangers somehow believe it is their right to deny other people of the ultimate happiness, especially Congressmen and women who are either unhappily married, hiring hookers, or having sexual relations with the same sex, all while denouncing gay marriage.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 7:07 PM

"Why do we have to recycle the old conflicts so many times: first we fight about slavery, then segregation, then gender, and now sexual orientation, while gender identity is in the wings waiting? Why can't people look at the phrase 'liberty and justice for all' and simply accept that 'all' means 'all.' "

William Sloane Coffin: "In reality, there are no biblical literalists, only selective literalists. By abolishing slavery and ordaining women, millions of Protestants have gone far beyond biblical literalism. It's time we did the same for homophobia."

President Gerald Ford: In 2002, he was asked by lesbian columnist Deb Price if gay couples should receive equal benefits. He replied, "I think they ought to be treated equally. Period."

Steve Gunderson, first openly gay Republican congressman:"...the worst thing that happened to the gay community was the fall of communism...As long as the conservative movement had communism to fight, they could organize and raise their money over that issue. The minute they lost communism, they had to find a new enemy, and that enemy became homosexuality."

Rory Lewis (performer): "The epitome of evil is having spiritual leaders condone hate, in the name of God, against others such as our gay brothers and sisters."

Leonard Matlovich: He served for 12 years in the US Air Force, received exemplary ratings, won a Bronze Star and Purple Heart. After revealing his homosexual orientation, he was dishonorably discharged. His tombstone reads: "Here lies a man who was given a medal for killing two men, and a dishonorable discharge for loving one."

Desmond Tutu:

"We struggled against apartheid because we were being blamed and made to suffer for something we could do nothing about. It is the same with homosexuality. The orientation is a given, not a matter of choice. It would be crazy for someone to choose to be gay, given the homophobia that is present."

"We don't choose to be white or black, male or female, left-handed or right-handed, gay or straight. We awaken in each instance to the reality of what we are. Nothing external to our humanity activates our self-understanding. It simply is. Alcohol distorts life for the alcoholic. Homosexuality does not distort the life of the gay person. Your pastor's understanding is simply one more version of the idea that homosexuality is a sickness or addiction that needs to be cured if possible and if not possible, it needs to be suppressed. Wholeness never came to anyone who tried to suppress his or her deepest identity."

Some nourishing for the soul....

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 7:16 PM

Disliking someone's actions in a certain group does not mean you hate them does it?

I have heard many people say they dislike smokers even so much as not wanting them in the same rooms as they are in...now do they hate their actions or them as people?

What is the difference in disliking gays or lesbians and disliking Muslims or Christians?

I really dislike broccoli and asparagus I don't hate either one and have actually disliked them my entire life. Dislike only becomes hate if you allow it.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 10:22 PM

ACTUALLY, if you had done your research you'd know that all of that is JUST YOUR OPINION, because in the European countries, and Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal, they have seen a small but steady decline in the divorce rate. Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 7:07 PM

Isn't that what I said????? (JMO)meaning "Just My Oponion"

I have not, nor do I plan on doing research about lesbian or gays relationship or marriage. This is an obsession of yours not mines.

I often find it hilarious, though, that complete strangers somehow believe it is their right to deny other people of the ultimate happiness, Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 7:07 PM

I find two men, or two women (who are often strangers) getting it on hilarious among a few other things as well. God created Man & Woman, Adam & Eve (Not Adam & Steve), As well as telling Noah, to get a pair of each animals, one male and one female. They were to be fruitful and multiply.

Sanctity - is Holiness, Godliness. There is nothing Holy or Godly about 2 Gay men or 2 Lesbian women getting married.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...

I do not believe it is my right to deny a gay or lesbian their ultimate happiness, if their ultimate happiness is to be together then they will be together. They can get some form of legal papers claiming them as a legal couple or what ever. I just said I am not for "GAY MARRIAGE" this is the same as "Man and Woman Marriage".

Allowing such things as this is the destruction of mankind. Two men, nor two women can not produce children among themselves alone. God bless you, and give you peace.

Disliking someone's actions in a certain group does not mean you hate them does it? Dislike only becomes hate if you allow it. -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Diana, I believe you have answered your own question. Again I did not say you "Actually do" hate THEM; "I said (Perhaps) has created hate. And don't let their ways (Create) hate. If you look at the definitions of dislike, or hate you will find they are the same, similar meanings both fall under each others definition.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dislike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 12:19 AM

I have been around someone that talks alot (Annoying) that get on my nerves, and when ever I see him I would go the other way. I do not hate this person, he just gets on your nerves, the way he talks.

And their is another person (family) that I would like to avoid as much as possible, because I feel they do, or say things just to argue, or purposely make me mad. My dislike is pretty strong for the person even though it's her actions that I do not like. I think she gets pleasure out of making me upset, or try making things complicated when I want to do something.

To me that is just pure evil, and I just rather stay away from people that act like that. I do have to pray for forgiveness, because she pushes me to that point of (Dislike-Anger-Hate).

So I believe you when you say you do not hate somalis' but you dislike their ways. I'm saying don't let it create hate. I can relate to it myself.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 5:54 PM

Well, it seems defeat has now been prolonged, because she picked up more delegates today... The magic number is now higher than the original 2,026, which puts Obama 60+ delegates shy of the magic number instead of 40 something.. She is likely to win Puerto Rico, which has the most remaining delegates of the last three contests... Go Hillary.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, May 31, 2008, at 11:54 PM

Looks a little far fetched for that now nascarfanatic.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 9:50 PM

She didn't admit it tonight either, lol.. wow

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Saturday Perhaps?

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?bfromi...

The bad thing is her not admitting defeat, more than likely will mess her chances up of being VP.

I'm starting to think she would be more of a stumbling block for him, than of unity.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 1:21 AM

society as we know it has BEEN going to hell for years. NOW we got there. welcome to the new AMERICAFRINEXIA!!!!

-- Posted by shrtckt2003 on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 1:52 AM

ANYBODY SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT THAT WORD????????????????????????

-- Posted by shrtckt2003 on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 1:55 AM

Americafrinexia (America-Africa-?Nexico?-Somalia)

Maybe it should read: AFRIMEXISORICA (Africa-Mexico-Somalia-America), SOMEXAFRICA (Somalia-Mexico-Africa-America), MESOAMERIFRICA (Mexico-Somalia-America-Africa), AMERISOFRICAMEXICO (America-Somalia-Africa-Mexico), SOMALEXICAN (Somalia-Mexico-Africa-American)

That was Fun! Have any more?

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 9:47 PM


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