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Another American tradition fades

Posted Friday, August 1, 2008, at 3:06 PM

How far do we go?

Tyson Foods takes away the Labor Day holiday so Muslim workers can take a day off.

Just another example of how Americans are being forced to submit to a foreign culture while foreigners make no effort to submit to ours.

Once again, American traditions are pushed aside.

And Shelbyville's immigrant situation returns to the news. This (Friday) afternoon, city police were called to Tyson Foods to keep TV news crews off the grounds. Imagine, taxpayers' dollars, in a sense, being forcibly used to keep media from fully telling a story. I'm not in any way criticizing police for answering the call; they were just doing what they were asked. But Tyson has no business trying to keep a story from being fully told.

It's too bad that those who raise chickens for Tyson in Bedford County have to suffer for the undesirable attention some employees of the plant itself attract.

Some of the criticism of Hispanics and Somalis in Bedford County brings out the worst in a few people -- anger, threats of protests and boycotts -- but those feelings can be understood. There's a big difference between foreigners adapting to American culture and newcomers who impose their own ways upon others. And I'd suggest many longtime Bedford Countians want their voices to be heard, rather than ignored.

I attended a Tennessee Press Association seminar a few weeks ago on business news coverage in smaller communities. For much of the program, though, the moderator described his (and many others') views of right and wrong ways of industrial recruitment. I'll do a column on this soon and link it to my blog.

But the "right" way involved encouraging -- financially, when possible -- local and area residents to found their own smaller industries rather than building large 'spec' buildings and chasing traditional industries, as Shelbyville officials continue to do.

Such a plan, in addition to keeping tax dollars at home, means homegrown industries are more likely to employ hometown people. It's something to think about.


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-- Posted by PROPHET777 on Fri, Oct 10, 2008, at 9:42 PM

nascar,

What is your point? Oh thats right you didn't have one either eh?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Aug 9, 2008, at 12:11 PM

And your point is...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 10:40 PM

"This decision was not up to Tyson's management, or any executive at Tyson... This was a UNION decided based on the EMPLOYEES at the plant. You people should REALLY learn to read an entire story before reading the title and digging deep for your racist, close minded bigotry."

You are ready not a story, but TYSON/UNION submitted material on how they stated how it went. BUT AGAIN, in reality NONE of the employees knew about this vote, NONE of the voted, and this meeting NEVER took place. So you are being bigoted towards everyone who doesn't agree with you or the Tyson/Union decision. AGAIN, this was NOT an employee decision.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Universal health care- Universal means everyone gets HealthCare not Obama's select groups. Obama's plan leaves out 15 million Americans.

College Grants- Obama has purposed College Grants for low income minority students. Which is Great except for the fact there are already College grants for low income students these are called Pell Grants.

Pro Choice- It is not secret that I am pro-choice but I am against the partial birth abortion bill and in Favor of the Infant born alive act (which Obama has voted against 3 times)

Gay Rights- I also believe in Gay rights. I have no problem with what others do in their life unless it has an effect on my life or my families life. And I have not seen any evidence of someone being gay effecting me what-so-ever.

Limited off shore drilling, but really solving this "problem" with funding for energy independence?Obama's announcement this week that he supports tapping a national stockpile of crude oil reverses a position he articulated as recently as last month, when he asserted that oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve should be released only in case of emergency.

His campaign explained his new position, which calls for releasing 70 million barrels of easy-to-refine light oil, by asserting the situation had reached a tipping point and explaining that Obama would replace the barrels later with heavier crude oil.

The shift came just days after Obama dialed back his opposition to drilling for oil off U.S. shores. He said he'd consider supporting limited drilling as part of a comprehensive gas-price-reduction effort, but only after oil companies looked for oil on 68 million untapped acres to which they have access.

http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_10...

Eliminating wasteful U.S. government jobs? That one is a Yea wait and see.

Funding elementary and secondary education more strenuously? I really think somebody needs to do this although I do not think Obama will do anything any different than status quo.

Rolling back welfare hand outs? Please do show me where Obama has Ever stated he is going to roll back welfare handouts. Every bill he has ever been involved in has some type of welfare handout rolled into it.

Getting us out of the illegal war in Iraq and moving focus to the country our president "doesn't care about..." Oh Please..Obama will not get us out of Iraq any quicker than Bush or McCain.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 2:13 PM

That makes no sense. What about those statements aren't facts? Start breaking them down one by one. Because I guarantee you, at least 4 of the 6 are right on. Number 3 is exactly accurate, and has been the case for decades... Number 4 is true, when I started my mom recent occupation it was imperative that I not work Sunday's, which I told them up front. I have yet to be scheduled on Sunday (unless I actually volunteer if they need someone). Number 5 is very true, though nobody has really taken aim at McCain's religion, I guess because he isn't black or because his last name isn't Obama. Number 6 is 100% true, and if you think it isn't, tell me those white, American citizens didn't commit those crimes.

By the way, what part of Obama's POLICIES do you have issue with? Universal health care? College grants? Pro Choice? Gay Rights? Limited off shore drilling, but really solving this "problem" with funding for energy independence? Eliminating wasteful U.S. government jobs? Funding elementary and secondary education more strenuously? Rolling back welfare hand outs? Getting us out of the illegal war in Iraq and moving focus to the country our president "doesn't care about..."

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 7:51 AM

You copy and paste real good but it still don't make it a fact

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 12:42 AM

A few points of clarification amid the muck:

1. Somalian children do have to follow the same school dress code as everyone else. The only exception is for the head covering for the females and that has to be in a solid approved school color.

2. Most teachers are not "afraid" of Somalian students. For the most part they are well behaved and work very hard. There is an Islamic cultural trait that encourages men to teach boys and women to teach girls. This is what they are accustomed to (provided they were able to attend school in a war torn country), but they are acclimating to having opposite sex teachers in American schools.

3. The Christian religion is alive and well in Bedford County schools. Many students have Bibles in their lockers and book bags. All the middle and secondary schools here have chapters of the FCA and FCS in the schools. Some of the schools have prayer groups held by students before the start of the school day. Students are allowed to pray over their lunch. The idea that Christianity is not allowed in school is completely blown out of proportion.

4. Most employers in the area do allow regular church going people to be off on Sunday morning so they may attend church. Some will even not schedule a devout person for Sunday night or Wednesday so their employees can have their spiritual needs met. If you are a devout church attendee and you discuss it with your employer on the front end, they will work with you more often than not.

5. Both of the current candidates for president are whole hearted Christian Americans. The current smear tactics are completely fabricated by racist and/or uninformed citizens.

6. All Muslims are not terrorists, and all terrorists are not Muslims. You are much more likely to encounter a red-blooded American Christian terrorist than a Muslim one in this country. Think. . . Anthrax scare (American), Atlanta Olympics bomb scare (American), Oklahoma City Bomber (American)and these were all white males born on this soil.

Stop and think before you go completely insane over the changes in our community. There is no planned subversion of the Christian religion or our American way of life.

-- Posted by spiritfolk on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 10:28 PM

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 11:12 PM

>>>dianatn,

Didn't you comment on another blog that many of the Somali refugees here don't know the exact day of their birth, so Jan.1 is used on government forms as their date of birth?

If that is true, and "Team Member's Birthdayy" is a paid holiday for Tyson employees, I wonder what they do about that?

-- Posted by Richard on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 11:25 PM<<<

That's right Richard many of the Somalis do not know their Birth dates. Most use the generic of 1/1 and the approximate year. I have come across a few that don't even know where they were actually born much less when.

But I guess the date 1/1 works well for Tyson Foods because New Years Day is already a Holiday.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM

This isn't about religion, Does anyone understand that? This is about making special accomidations to a specific group of people that allow employers to get HUGE concessions to hire a certain class of people. What this does is place huge incentives for Tyson to throw out the people that cost them more money and bring in people that get to use the system without regard to who it screws over.

This is destroying the economics of this town, this takes away from our Hospitals, our Welfare, our Car insurance. I bet within a year, we will have to pay for Un-Insured motorist coverage, and it will effect our rates if they hit us. Fair eh? We again are paying for their lack of following the laws. So where does this bring us? Do we stand idly by or should we stand up? Boycotting won't work, it will damage some of their profits but not enough to hurt them to show some distaste. They will chalk it up to high grain prices instead of people not buying their products.

Remember it is always about the spin of how their Public Relations works. It's all lies anyways. Ask their employees as they leave work or when they come in, or when they cash their checks. Many never knew this even happened until it was too late.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 10:47 AM

memyselfi - will you be my new best friend? You've managed to eloquently post what I've been trying to sort out for the last few days.

-- Posted by cfrich on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 10:20 AM

Thats what I thought. If everyone will be working anyway, what difference does it make which day they give you the extra pay for, especially if it was agreed to by the majority. Neither Tyson nor its union is a federal agency and if working around the religious beliefs of their employees and hiring immigrants is a good business model for them, great, it works for me. If the union negotiated daycare for its workers, that does not mean every employee, or even most employees have children. It also does not mean all unions will get mandatory childcare for its workers. It does not appear as if the non-Muslims are losing anything at all. I also have another question that I must have missed somewhere. There is a difference between Somali Nationals and Muslims. People appear to be referring to both in the same way and assume the numbers represent the same group. Does anyone know the number of Muslims of any nationality currently working at Tyson? There are many Americans that have adopted the faith and it would not surprise me if a percentage of the American workers were believers of Islam.

I have not really commented on this issue, but decided to on this blog as most of the names I see I do recognize. I do not want to be derogatory to anyone so I will not comment on the nature of American tradition having less to do with religion and more to do with the invisible hand and how it motivates. I will also try to refrain from ranting about how these particular immigrants have seen the opportunities here in America and have gotten involved and changed something for themselves while we complacently sit and wait for our next fix of commercialistic fulfillment. Talk about the American dream, labor uniting to get any concession is about as American as I know. I will go out of my way to avoid writing the book long post about how most people commenting obviously could not even point to Somalia on a map, much less explain how the government that represents us had a part in making their country so un-livable to begin with. I will also not give my opinions about how our representives have mis-represented the state of American affairs and how a lot of people appear to have the impression that we are at war with a religion as opposed to the reality that we are at war with religious governments that do not capilate to our will as a nation. Finally, I will not be pointing out that most of the super-patriotic citizens of this nation love to jump on the bandwagon fighting for the American ideal by boycotting chicken, but have for decades elected globally minded leaders, then filled their tanks with gasoline that is stained red with blood and supporting the most militant and oppressive Islamic nations without a second thought, and then happily fill their shopping carts with products made elsewhere to save a few pennies.

What I do want to comment on is the ride that we are on and will continue to be on through the rest of our lives with an unknown or un-disclosed destination. I believe our government (and the capitol that controls it) is inching closer and closer to changing the world in profound ways. It seems like the history of the last half of a century makes that much clear. I do not think it can be reversed without a level of involvement that we as a nation are incapable of providing. It may be slower or faster depending of the mood of the people, but with an always forward vision. It seems at though we are at the train station and have a choice. We can either jump on and try to get a window seat, or be thrown into the cattle car screaming about how we perceive things have been or are supposed to be, but we (or our children) will be getting on that train regardless. It makes more sense to me for everyone to be looking at the big picture as opposed to being narrowly focused on the specifics, but that is just my opinion.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 4:19 AM

Does anyone know if Tyson closes for either holiday, or they just add an extra 8 hours to the check and everyone works as usual? Did I miss that somewhere?

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 4:03 PM

The New York Times article has a quote from a union representive that states Tyson has worked on Labor Day for the last 23 years in a row.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06m...

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 12:01 AM

dianatn,

Didn't you comment on another blog that many of the Somali refugees here don't know the exact day of their birth, so Jan.1 is used on government forms as their date of birth?

If that is true, and "Team Member's Birthdayy" is a paid holiday for Tyson employees, I wonder what they do about that?

-- Posted by Richard on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 11:25 PM

"...The contract that calls for this change was unanimously recommended by the 12-person union bargaining committee, which included three Somali employees (and NINE non Muslim employees). The contract was then overwhelmingly agreed to by 80 percent of the rank and file membership of the union at the Shelbyville plant...The Muslim population at the Shelbyville plant is primarily composed of approximately 250 Somali employees...The Shelbyville complex employs approximately 1,200 people. Approximately 1,000 workers are covered by the union agreement at Shelbyville."

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/PressRoom...

Which means, AT LEAST 800 employees at this plant (out of 1,000) agreed to the holiday... Of those 800 who agreed, 250 were Somalians, and the remaining 550 were comprised of Non Muslim employees....

This decision was not up to Tyson's management, or any executive at Tyson... This was a UNION decided based on the EMPLOYEES at the plant. You people should REALLY learn to read an entire story before reading the title and digging deep for your racist, close minded bigotry.

This "Christian" nation you all think exists obviously doesn't... The proof is in your behavior and your sickening attitudes.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 10:40 PM

I do not work at Tyson Foods but I do know a lot of people that do.

I think their days off are controled by how much work they have to get out.

Meaning if they are running behind they work the Holidays and are just paid the extra.

I have heard some of the employees say they aren't given a choice if Tyson's decides to work. That makes me wonder if the Muslim workers will have a choice as to whether they get off for their Holiday or not.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Does anyone know if Tyson closes for either holiday, or they just add an extra 8 hours to the check and everyone works as usual? Did I miss that somewhere?

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Exactly so why are you complaining? They won't lose any money...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Because Labor Day WAS a Paid Holiday now it is a different day. Now the employees have no idea what day of the year their 8th day of Holiday will be because it is a different day every year.

Hard to make plans if you have no idea what day you will be off...oh wait your American Family members won't be off for Eid al-Fitr , their kids won't be out of school for Eid al-Fitr, not yet anyway.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Hmmmm isn't pay the reason people work in the first place? I know if I were not being paid I sure wouldn't get up and go to work, in fact I don't know anybody in their right mind that would.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 9:41 AM

Exactly so why are you complaining? They won't lose any money...

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 9:57 AM

from another blogger:

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/PressRoom......

I'm not sure I understand why there is such uproar over Tyson agreeing to UNION demand in a contract that was negotiated last fall. I feel that this reporter is fueling this fire partly due to his anti-Somalian agenda and Tyson has gotten caught up in the middle of it. If you read the press release above, you'll note that "The contract that calls for this change was UNANIMOUSLY recommended by the 12-person union bargaining committee, which included three Somali employees. The contract was then overwhelmingly agreed to by 80 percent of the rank and file membership of the union at the Shelbyville plant." There are 1000 union members at this plant which means 800 of them supported this change. It is quite obvious to most that Brian has an affixation on the Somialian population and this is yet another attempt to fuel hatred toward these people. Tyson just happened to be in his path. When a Union Committee brings an item to the bargaining table which is unanimously supported, there is really no reason from a business standpoint to reject it. They are basically being ridiculed for making the majority of their employees happy. I guess I must be missing something here.

-- Posted by bedfordcounty on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 8:25 AM

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 9:56 AM

>>>That is what is most important to the workers, regardless of why they get the day off, they are only concerned about pay.<<

Hmmmm isn't pay the reason people work in the first place? I know if I were not being paid I sure wouldn't get up and go to work, in fact I don't know anybody in their right mind that would.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 9:41 AM

Labor Day is a secular holiday? Where did that come from?

-- Posted by nellie on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 7:01 AM

To remind all of you supposed Christians that nobody is taking away your rights as a Christian, nobody is stopping YOU from praying on your breaks, and nobody is telling YOU not to take Labor Day off, without pay... After all, at the end of the year, YOU STILL GET 8 PAID HOLIDAYS... That is what is most important to the workers, regardless of why they get the day off, they are only concerned about pay.

Stop acting as if a simply minority is taking your rights away. This is a FREE country, that was not founded on one superior religion, and the Constitution NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER once mentioned Christianity... So, before you all whine and cry about traditions and religious preferences, you should certainly understand that our founding fathers never cared for either.

I hear the constant reminder, "our kids can't pray in school anymore.. now this.. what's next?" Need I remind you, PRAYER IN SCHOOL IS LEGAL, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, YOU JUST CAN'T FORCE KIDS TO PARTICIPATE... PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And just like Richard said in another blog, your religion doesn't require you to wear certain clothes (though if you read the Bible more thoroughly you'd be surprised that it does), it doesn't require a certain amount of prayer at certain times a day, and many Christians don't take the opportunity when they have it. Next time all of you get a paid 15 minute break or a lunch break, skip out on lunch, skip out on the cigarettes, the vending machines and the cell phone calls and dedicate those hours to prayer... My guess is, IT WON'T HAPPEN, so don't complain.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 8:08 AM

Labor Day is a secular holiday? Where did that come from?

-- Posted by nellie on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 7:01 AM

Entitled? No one even Americans are entitled to any paid Holidays. Companies give employees Holidays as a benefit. The problem here is Labor Day WAS a holiday to the employees which was given by Tyson Foods to their employees.

If Tyson wanted to give an extra day so the Muslim employees had their day then that would have been great but they decided to take away a day that had already been given to the employees before the Muslims ever started working there!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 12:33 AM

Oh ok, I get it... Only certain special American workers are privileged enough to get Labor Day and other holidays off.

Funny, I know quite a few folks who are full time employees yet they still don't get these holidays. Twist it all you want but the fact remains, it is a secular holiday, one that not everyone is entitled to, not even AMERICANS.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Tue, Aug 5, 2008, at 12:11 AM

Places Like McDonald's, Burger King, Kroger, Wal-Mart and etc do work on Labor Day because they hire part time employees who do not get ANY holidays. You can not compare those to companies with Full time employees who are normally paid Holiday pay.

I do not know of any company that hires part time or temps that pay Holiday pay. Ask any Holland employee or Randstad employee if they get holiday pay of any kind.

You say you have never worked anywhere that gave Labor Day as a Holiday, I have never worked anywhere that didn't. Even when I worked for Opryland. We got 12 paid holidays a year of course The 4th of July, Memorial Day and Labor Day was during our busy season: so we opted to take all 12 of our Holidays during Christmas, With Pay. The difference was we the Employees made that decision.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:30 PM

I think some people need to revisit some of the history pages that address all the "battles" fought by our hard-working ancestors to achieve fair wages and working situations.

There are many people who choose to work on Labor Day, and many do work at places that don't close but I'm sure they know it will be open before they begin that job.

If the majority of the union members did not want the holiday taken away or did not understand what they were being told, then it should not be allowed.

-- Posted by nellie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:05 PM

nellie,

"I am so sick of these kind of stories in the United States of America that I could puke.

Who the hell does Tyson think they are to take a National holiday away from its American employees and substitute it with a Muslim holiday.

Instead of getting revenge for 911 we have laid the red carpet out for all of these would be terrorists.

In my opinion if they are offended by anything in this country they can leave it and that applies to Hispanic illegal immigrants or legal immigrants for that matter.

If someone does not do something now it will be your children and grandchildren that will be fighting, but not in some far off distant land but right here at home. Fighting for thier liberty and thier life. I am ready to arm myself now if I have to."

-- Posted by KyTrader on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 4:56 AM

I believe that is the attitude you didn't pay attention to, that's how I see it anyways.... We'll have to wait for darrick_04's response.

But, Tyson is one of hundreds of AMERICAN employers who do not let their employees off for Labor Day... Shall I go into the list? Revenge for 9/11? We didn't get that, because our president forgot about it... Instead focusing on a country that didn't attack us, nor have they ever... Legal immigrants have just as much right to be here as any of us.. They went about it the responsible way and in no way has forced their lifestyle on us. The people who are taking away our liberties is our government, not minority groups.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:03 PM

"If someone does not do something now it will be your children and grandchildren that will be fighting, but not in some far off distant land but right here at home. Fighting for thier liberty and thier life. I am ready to arm myself now if I have to.

America is up for grabs folks. Its only a matter of time before we fall."

-- Posted by KyTrader on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 4:56 AM

Was the following Darrick's response? Am I the only one that interprets he is disagreeing with the previous comment and that he thinks that we should not stand up to this type of invasion? If I am interpeting it wrong, then please rephrase.

"With an attitude like that, it sure won't take long."

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 8:47 AM

-- Posted by nellie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:55 PM

"Let's take our country back..." - - - Why don't we ask the Native Americans how they felt about that, or would that sort of be like history repeating itself?

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:55 PM

I really don't know how to respond to Darrick. On one hand he is dead-set against the war in Iraq and the current government and then he turns around and seems to indicate that we should just sit back and let every immigrant from every country come in and take over. Just what in America does he stand for? Someone please tell me. I understand people believing the govt was wrong for invading Iraq, but does that mean that they turn around and believe that America should allow itself to be invaded? What country was he raised in?

-- Posted by nellie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Hmm, show me where I "indicate that we should just sit back and let every immigrant from every country come in and take over." If you wish to lump all Muslim people into the same narrow minded viewpoint then you should at least have some credibility with your statement. But it is no different than saying every American believes in handouts to the rich, and illegal wars just because our president does. I never said we need to give any foreign group a free ride, but in a sea of sameness I choose stand out with a little common sense on the matter.

Labor Day is a holiday (formed by a UNION, which rarely exists in the South anyways) I and most of my AMERICAN peers have never had the pleasure of enjoying. Instead we have been on the other end of the checkout counters, in the fast food kitchen, and on the receiving end of customer service calls, while some people are out of work, paid or not, not everyone is. I don't agree it should be taken out of the "contract at Tyson" but at the same time, the majority of the people who plan to boycott Tyson would never stand up to the corrupt local, state, and federal government, entities in which we DO have control over.

Lastly, I am not advocating any sort of takeover of this country by any group of "foreigners", but God put no limitations on the travels of humans, and set no land to belong to human beings. As far as God is concerned you are all making a mockery out of Christianity, by spewing forth your hatred and intolerance to any ENTIRE group of people based on the actions and requests of a few. It's no wonder a majority of the world despise us, they all connect us to our president, and just like many of don't want that connection, neither do peaceful, responsible and respectful people who don't look like a typical Americans.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:06 PM

Let me ask this, will there be prayer rooms in our schools for the muslim children to go pray in and disrupt class & our childrens education.

-- Posted by chris p. on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:27 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU DISPLACED WORKER 100%. AS I SEE IT THE CAP LOCKS MEANS YOUR AS FED UP AS I AM AND SCREAMING THIS. SO DAVID O. IF YOUR FED UP LIKE WE ARE DO SOME SCREAMING TOO. ITS TIME TO PUT A STOP TO THIS COUNTRY BEING TAKEN OVER BY OTHER NATIONS ONE PERSON AT A TIME. IF IT KEEPS ON LIKE ITS GOING AMERICANS WILL BE THE MINORITY IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF THIS PART MUSLIM BECOMES PRESIDENT TRUE AMERICANS BETTER WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by chris p. on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:17 PM

I really don't know how to respond to Darrick. On one hand he is dead-set against the war in Iraq and the current government and then he turns around and seems to indicate that we should just sit back and let every immigrant from every country come in and take over. Just what in America does he stand for? Someone please tell me. I understand people believing the govt was wrong for invading Iraq, but does that mean that they turn around and believe that America should allow itself to be invaded? What country was he raised in?

-- Posted by nellie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Did you know you can turn Caps Lock off? People might take your comment more seriously.

-- Posted by Chad O on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM

I AM AN X TYSON EMPLOYEE. AS I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WORKERS THEN AND I AM TALKING ABOUT AMERICANS. THEN THERE WERE VERY FEW OTHER NATIONALITYS, WE HAD A PROBLEM GETTING OFF THE LINE OTHER THAN BREAK JUST TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THEIR PRAYER ROOMS, IT UPSET ME AND SEVERAL MORE. IF THEY COME TO AMERICA TO TRY AND BECOME AMERICANS THEN THEY NEED TO DO AS AMERICANS DO. IF I MOVED TO FRANCE I WOULD LEARN TO SPEAK FRENCH.

-- Posted by displaced worker on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 11:25 AM

With an attitude like that, it sure won't take long.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 8:47 AM

I am so sick of these kind of stories in the United States of America that I could puke.

Who the hell does Tyson think they are to take a National holiday away from its American employees and substitute it with a Muslim holiday.

Instead of getting revenge for 911 we have laid the red carpet out for all of these would be terrorists.

In my opinion if they are offended by anything in this country they can leave it and that applies to Hispanic illegal immigrants or legal immigrants for that matter.

If someone does not do something now it will be your children and grandchildren that will be fighting, but not in some far off distant land but right here at home. Fighting for thier liberty and thier life. I am ready to arm myself now if I have to.

America is up for grabs folks. Its only a matter of time before we fall.

-- Posted by KyTrader on Sun, Aug 3, 2008, at 4:56 AM

-- Posted by Oklahoma gal on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:25 PM

I have just heard about your disgusting act to accommodate Muslim workers at Tyson in Shelbyville ,Tn. What has happened to Americans standing up for American culture that our forefathers fought and died for? This is a low blow to us that respect and love our American heritage and holidays. I will encourage every Oklahoman I know to stop buying Tyson products,

and spread the word around the country.

-- Posted by Oklahoma gal on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Having just read your new accommodations for Muslim workers at your Shelbyville, TN. plant, I am disgusted that Tyson can stoop this low. Acts such as this will certainly lead to decreased sales of anything with the name Tyson attached. Even though I do not live in TN. I will make every effort to spread this information through out Kentucky and I will also publish it to every web site through out the states that I have access. If my efforts result in just one lost sale it will be worth the effort. We both know this will result in hundreds perhaps thousands of lost customers for Tyson. I and my family will never purchase your products again.

-- Posted by Zatoichi on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Dianatn,

I think this is part of why the unions have outlived their usefullness. When unions started they were runby the workers, but for the most part the reps live off the union dues. The union reps most likely did vote on this and not the employess. This is a big reason I'm opposed to most labor unions, they only have their own interest at heart and not the employee.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:26 PM

The news reported last night that there was 1200 employees and 700 were Somali, is that true?

As far as the Union voting on this I have spoken with several American employees of Tyson Foods and not one of them even knew about this until it came out in the newspaper, so I don't think they voted on this. The Union reps may have voted but not the actual employees.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:38 AM

This is America people, wake up!If the Muslins want to celebrate their holiday let them go back to their own country & do it. I am tired of catering to these people. They are rude!It is time that America takes back our country. But until we get a president that is not afraid of stepping on some toes, it won't hapen. As far as their prayer rooms, Christians are looked down on and our way of life is spit on. Close our borders, send them back to their own country!

NO TYSON PRODUCT WILL EVER BE BROUGHT IN MY HOME

-- Posted by inGodwetrust on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:09 AM

I hate that they took the Holiday from us....But what really get's my goat is that they put a prayer room in for them so they can pray twice a day....Would they do that for us ????? NO!!!! Our own children have had prayer taken out of the schools.....What are we going to do about that???? Now our children are being told what they have to wear to school....Well their children have to wear the same as our children????

-- Posted by rebelrose on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 9:36 AM

Betty,

When I worked there, it was about 15% Somali and that was about 5 years ago. Now? No clue. But I can get some numbers for you within a few days.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 9:28 AM

We were out of town for a day & night. Therefore, I had not heard the Tyson news until we got home yesterday afternoon & I got on the T-G website. I am shocked. It would not have surprised me if it had been a company with owners in a foreign country - such as Nissan. I am assuming Tyson is owned by Americans.

What I have read in the paper, this blog & heard on TV indicates that the union voted on this decision before it was announced. Does anyone know how many Somalis are employed at the Tyson plant compared to Hispanics and caucasians? Only USA citizens would want to recognize Labor Day as a holiday. Are they in the minority at Tyson?

-- Posted by bettyhbrown on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 9:01 AM

Amen Sharon22!

-- Posted by quantumcat on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:57 AM

I was just reminded of one of the great traditions of our country: assimilation. We are a country of immigrants, sucks, on one side of my family I am a first generation american, can't count how many on the other side. Each group of immigrants that came to this country learned about America, our culture and traditions, but kept some of their own traditions. We need to take pride in our country and continue our National Holidays and keep them a Holiday and set an example to those coming to our great country.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:56 AM

Darrick,

I fully agree with you on this one. I have worked in a profession for many years and have worked many a Labor Day(and several others) without recognition for it. Even the news media works all the holidays. What is more interesting to me is that most of our major holidays are being used in the retail business to increase sales or have special sales. I have not used Tyson products much in my life and not at all for many a years, and don't plan to start now.

I do think we need to use caution when speaking out about another persons religious beliefs. I am a fully committed Christian and would more than love to see every church in this country filled every Sunday with people worshiping in union and in one accord. Is this realistic? Most likely not. The last time I looked the constitution granted us freedom of religion and freedom from religion. We ALL happen to live in a country that gives each of us to worship as we see fit, and that includes those of muslim, buddist, Hindu or whatever belief system is out there. I do believe when someone moves from another county to here, we should expect them to learn about our culture, and even our National Holidays, Labor Day included. If we were to move to another country, esp. in the Middle East we would be expected to learn and live by the uniqueness of their culture and holidays.

I don't want my relgious freedoms taken away, but we as Americans don't need to loose what makes this county special either.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:10 AM

nascarfanatic,

you might want to check out bedfordtn.com, it seems like people are speaking out against the officials now.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 11:48 PM

Your idea of fostering smaller industries needs to be discussed more. Why not use some of these empty buildings as business "incubators"?

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 9:48 PM

Steve,

The idea was Grits'... I have no idea who he/she is, they have only posted on the news story. Perhaps we need to direct him/her to the blogs!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 10:05 PM

Your idea of fostering smaller industries needs to be discussed more. Why not use some of these empty buildings as business "incubators"?

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 9:48 PM

How many people who have responed to this artticle either work or would work at the Shelbyville Tyson plant?

Apparently they negotiated this holiday through the union. If this were a group of Catholic workers, would they not want Good Friday or Ash Wednesday as a holiday, would Jews trade in Christmas for Passover?

If you want to stop this then be willing to do the following (1) pay more for Tyson chicken - support a higher wage for workers, so American citizens can support their families who work at their plants(2) buy chicken from other sources - purchase chicken from local farmers instead of the local chain grocer and (3) eat beef, pork, lamb or goat especially that raised in Bedford County and processed locally. The irony is that most Somalians eat locally produced meats (goat) instead of chicken.

Purchasing poultry products produced by other companies only shifts this problem to another plant in another part of the United States. Of course you could buy imported food (such as most of your fruits and vegetables) - guess what, those folks in Mexico or Chili don't celbrate Labor Day either.

We are a nation of people who want cheap food that is convenient. The result is that those companies (such as Tyson) hire employees for as cheap as possible who will work under their prescribed conditions. We have developed an industrial food system based on least cost food production.

If the Somailians don't want to celebrate Labor Day - you have no one to blame but yourself.

-- Posted by Grit on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 9:27 PM

I have no idea who this person is, but they posted this response in the News story (about the same exact issue)... It is remarkably true!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 9:45 PM

We'll have our festival days so long as there's a way to make money off of specific vacation days,meals,presents,decorations,etc.

Year-round school and no particular times for family celebrations would hamper our economy too much to be allowed to get out of hand.

But,holidays as HOLYdays may disappear.

It won't be the fault of stores,plants,the media,the government or outside conspiracies.

If such a vanishing act occurs,it'll be because we stopped caring.

We need to care and know why these set-aside days matter.

We use the time change days to check our fire alarms because it would be too easy to let the six month deadlines pass us by.

We need other days to remind us of those we love,our freedoms and the blessings we've been given.

Whether they fall on the same days every year or are moveable feasts,we need holidays to assure that these obligations aren't relegated to "someday" or "tomorrow".

If we could guarantee that we'd be mindful of the "reasons for the seasons" without days marked on a calendar,we'd have no need to worry about a holiday being removed or commercialized.

Until then,if we hold fast to these periods of remberance and reflection,we should be o.k.

We can't have these days taken from us.

We can only give them away.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 9:34 PM

Have you noticed over the last five years or more how Thanksgiving is a big shopping day. The stores are open having special sales. That will be the next one to go.

-- Posted by mmp84 on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 8:49 PM

I wonder why Fairlane Church's daycare was halted.

Had regulations gotten too cumbersome?

Maybe,someone else will take on the job.

We have enough facilities in public and private hands that some of our orphaned outreach programs could be housed there until proper,permanent arrangements could be made.

We have talented people at loose ends,people in need and underutilized buildings.

Maybe,we could put them all together.

Do tax write-offs,insurance costs,etc. really make it smarter to leave a structure empty rather than put it to non-profit use or sell/rent it cheaply enough that an ordinary person with a small,independent business could afford it?

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 8:47 PM

For once in my life I agree with you Michael.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 8:39 PM

This is totally wrong , but is only the beginning.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 7:55 PM

It has nothing to do with enjoying the Holiday more than likely Tyson employees would have worked that day anyway.

Tyson employees were given this day as one of their Holidays. One of Eight. Even if they worked that day they were paid the Holiday pay also. Employees of Tyson Foods had no voice in whether they wanted this day to be exchanged or not. They weren't ask..personally I say that's not much of a Union. (but thats another rant)

This day has been removed from their pay now and a different day given to a group of people who are not even American. If Tyson Foods wanted to give the Muslims this day it would have been fine to have added a day to their Holiday list but instead they removed an American Holiday.

Why is it you can not see the problem with that?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 7:18 PM

It's sad really... We go shopping and buy billions of dollars worth of food on this very day, not realizing there are hundreds of thousands of American workers on the other end of the checkout counter, who DON'T get to enjoy "Labor Day" yet nobody ever sees news stories about that.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 7:07 PM

i have also heard of the closing of the farelane christian daycare after 30 years,due to moving in a hispanic church ,and the elders not wanting the day care anymore,now these children will not have the oppurtunity to learn . i was deeply saddened to hear of this news, not only the teachers and staff of the daycare losing jobs,but the children and parents are left to scrabble to try to find a placement , such a sad situtation.

-- Posted by BIG D on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 4:28 PM

Amen David!

-- Posted by MarcmissesTN on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 3:49 PM

Amen David!

-- Posted by MarcmissesTN on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 3:48 PM

I absolutely agee!!! I am glad though that the practices of Tysons though is being brought to light.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 3:17 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.