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Palin's potential pitfall

Posted Tuesday, September 2, 2008, at 9:17 AM

Keep in mind the controversy involving Lt. Ronnie Shirley of the Tennessee Highway Patrol as you watch what will probably become a growing issue concerning Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin and her alleged treatment of an Alaska trooper.

Shirley fixed a ticket for a high-level state official and is accused of running unauthorized background checks on individuals.

Palin allegedly demanded the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, a trooper, then fired the state public service commissioner who refused to execute the firing.

As one of the T-G's main print page designers, I subscribe randomly to newspapers from around the nation and beyond. I've been getting an Alaska newspaper and noticing the Palin controversy. There's more to it than those of us in the "Lower 48" realize. Could she be getting revenge on the trooper?

Also: I agree Palin's pregnant daughter's private should generally be left alone. But is Sarah Palin becoming an extreme so-called "poster child" for the pro-life movement, since her family's chosen to keep two babies in the past year?


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Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have kept their child, because he has Down's Syndrome?

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:54 AM

you're talking about possible pitfalls for palin. in comparison to obama, it's not even close, and he's actually running for president. he's run around with some of the most shady, america-hating scumbags in the country for 20-plus years. in the words of bill clinton, "this is the biggest fairy tale i've ever seen."

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 10:36 AM

Give me a break...Palin sounds extraordinary to me. A tough gal, a working mom and I'm on board with her all the way.

-- Posted by Jacks4me on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have kept their child, because he has Down's Syndrome?

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:54 AM

I was just about to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

-- Posted by cfrich on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 12:16 PM

I am so sure that Palin helped get her daughter knocked up just so she could champion the prolife cause(yes, sarcasm).

Come on people, are we really this stupid?

I agree cfrich . . . I cant believe what people are suggesting.

This isnt a presidential election anymore . . . it's a TMZ and National Enquirer extravaganza.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 2:35 PM

I think they did the right thing by keeping their child with Down Syndrome. (Doesn't have an 's).

I was simply pointing out it seems like a lot of 'life decisions' in one family in a short time.

-- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 2:43 PM

...and very good 'life decisions' for sure, despite your sarcastic and condescending way of putting it. gov. palin is exactly what this country needs as far as leadership, values, etc. in my opinion, the more the left downgrades and bashes her and her family, the more it will help the republicans win this election in november. for this country's sake, that would be light years better than the alternative.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:03 PM

...and very good 'life decisions' for sure, despite your sarcastic and condescending way of putting it. gov. palin is exactly what this country needs as far as leadership, values, etc. in my opinion, the more the left downgrades and bashes her and her family, the more it will help the republicans win this election in november. for this country's sake, that would be light years better than the alternative.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:03 PM

You speak as if you have been close personal friends with Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama all your life DoubleJ. What makes you qualified to make a statement like, "that would be light years better than the alternative"? I am curious, is it your crystal ball or do you have an incredible sense of foresight to base your statements on? Please explain what problems McCain and Palin are going to address and what solutions they have for these problems.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:20 PM

to start with, they are pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-gun, and hold very important values that this country was founded on. they will appoint good solid conservative judges to the supreme court. i obviously don't know 100% what they will do, but i trust them way, way more than obama, who has consistently shown very poor judgment in his life by hanging with some of the most radical people in the country. his 'trying to please everyone' act is getting old and his promises for the future all sound great, but how sincere is he on many of those issues and how will he pay for everything? as for terrorism, which is the most important issue for me, i trust mccain much more than obama, who wanted to bring home the majority of the troops just as the surge was working. mccain will go after the people that want to kill us and keep pressure on them constantly. i'm not sure i believe obama will or at least i'm not near as convinced. his more laid back (diplomatic) approach is simply not good enough in my book. we need real leaders in this country that makes good solid decisions. it's a no-brainer for me.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:46 PM

David,

I read and re-read your article. I do not think that you were being critical, just stating facts and truths. I, for one, do not beleive that the 17 year old daughter being pregnant will affect Ms. Palin's abilities of leadership. I would beleive that ONLY if Ms. Palin had been on the dates with her daughter and the (daughter's) boyfriend and urged them to act in such a manner. All God's children are flawed and many make poor decisions when out of the presents of parents. However, I am not a McCain supporter, but this is (I know from personal experience) a very private matter, but unfortunately, for children whose parents are in the public eye (politicians, preachers' kids, deacon's kids, etc) are viewed more harshly. I know many adults, and most are leaders in our community, that had sex before marriage and were just plain old lucky that they did not get caught, become pregnant or get some one pregnant. I think that their are other more important issues about Ms. Palin that are much more important and much thought and consideration should be given to those issues.

Sen. Obama said it best, leave the children alone.

-- Posted by plainandsimple on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 4:14 PM

That's how life happens. You don't always have the luxury of spacing your "life decisions" out into neat little time slots.

I just felt that your original comment sounded very judgemental and snarky. As if this woman who has been promoting the pro-life movement has intentionally saddled herself with a pregnant teen and a child with a learning disability, for the sole purpose of becoming a poster child?

That's ridiculous, regardless of whether you agree with her political views or not.

And thanks for correcting my spelling. That was actually very helpful in helping me decide if I had misinterpreted the tone of your post.

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 4:47 PM

Does anyone else out there wonder why someone who thinks we should respect their privacy in personal family issues ( hence GOV. PALIN) would tell a world audience that she "could have had" an abortion but chose not to. Isn't that a pretty "private" choice. Why in the world you anyone say that unless for political gain. Shame on the GOP for using a disablity and even more so for putting an innocent child on POLITICAL display. What party really hit the airwaves with that one? I hope voters will take a real good look at the character of Gov. Palin and her "choices" as a mother. My choice has become so easy. FAMILY FIRST, yeh, right Sarah

To double J: In case you haven't noticed this country is slowing dying with or without terrorism

-- Posted by up north on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 5:38 PM

I personally do not think Governor Palin made these decision based on political ambitions. But some will believe anything, so...

The trooper situation has several sides to it, so it is hard to get a clear picture. From news reports they say the department head that was supposedly pressured then fired stated that Governor Pailin did NOT threaten him.

Yes I realize that it could have been done in a less direct way, but I also heard that she turned over all taped discussions about the matter without hesitation.

I am also not surprised that "something" would turn up since she burned a lot of fingers and toes when she went after corruption in her government. No one knows better how to make someone look bad than a corrupt official.

I don't know if we will ever know the truth and will have to go on our "gut" feeling about someone. My gut tells me she is a real, down-to-earth person who we could use a lot more of in political office.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Think about it, she was mayor for a town 1/5 the size of Shelbyville, and we know how corrupt many of our local government heads are.

Also, instead of telling us she fought corruption, tell what it was that she did, specifically. This was news in Alaska long before it hit the major news corporations in the Continental U.S.

I guess we shouldn't expect any less considering the "vetting" process took all of 15 minutes. Must explain why the McCain sent 12 members his campaign on a super secret trip to Alaska... to do what they should have done, long before the second 15 minute conversation.

Now, some say Obama has a relaxed foreign policy. I say, we should pick our allies just as carefully as we debate with foreign enemies.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:25 PM

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/davidmelson/ent...

John McCain picked Sarah Palin to get the enthusiastic support of the evangelical, radical right. He didn't think it would matter that she has no national experience because he perceived he could argue Obama didn't either.

A big miscalculation. Obama presented himself for 17 months to the American people, they heard him debate more than a dozen times, they made their own decision that he was ready for the job and the Democrats voted him their nominee.

Obama wasn't unilaterally appointed by a party's nominee in a transparent play for the evangelical and female vote. As if Sarah Palin could fill Hillary Clinton's shoes by virtue of her gender. As if women wouldn't see that Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton on issues. As if anything would evoke Palin's lack of qualifications more than to compare them to Hillary's.

John McCain went for a twofer because his campaign was in trouble. He had failed to excite his base with only 60 days to go. He took a risky shortcut to try to catch up, trying to get two birds with one stone. It's backfiring big-time.

Every tv anchor tonight is asking his surrogates what makes Palin qualified. It's the story with the longest legs. Not one of them has anything but a laughable answer. All they can cite is her 1 1/2 years as Governor and her position as chief of the Alaska National Guard. Then they say she's as experienced as Obama. The Democratic pundits on tv are making mincemeat of that argument.

Voters now know Obama. They vetted him during the course of the campaign. 18 million Democrats voted he was their choice. Voters don't know Palin from Adam. What they do know: She's under investigation in Alaska and she's got no relevant experience. And that only now, after selecting her, is McCain sending his team to Alaska to fully vet her.

Voters are left with only two conclusions: Either McCain didn't vet Palin which is shockingly, near-criminally negligent or he did vet Palin and still picked her, which has got to be the most desperate, jaw-droppingly reckless political move in decades.

Sarah Palin is not ready for prime-time or the Vice-Presidency, let alone to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office."I think she will crash and burn faster than any national candidate in recent memory."

Obama doesn't have to say a thing. The media and public will do it for him.

As I'm typing this, Obama is being interviewed by Anderson Cooper about Gustav. Anderson's last question was how he would answer those who say that Gov. Palin, as mayor of a small town and Gov. of Alaska, has more experience than he does. He didn't miss a beat. He smiled and said Palin's town of Wasilia, Alaska had 50 employees. His campaign has 2500. The town's budget is about $12 million a year. His budget is 3 times that per month. He cited the legislation he's passed on emergency management post-Katrina and that many recommendations he made were adopted and are being put in place as we speak.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Vindicated says:

"A big miscalculation. Obama presented himself for 17 months to the American people, they heard him debate more than a dozen times, they made their own decision that he was ready for the job and the Democrats voted him their nominee."

So, does that mean all I have to do is present myself for 17 months to the American people and give a dozen debates and speeches on "how I have a dream" and that automatically makes me qualified for president? If that is criteria, then no wonder we have so many idiots voting and why we end of up crappy presidents like Bush and horrible choices like Obama and McCain. It seems you are lured more by "pretty" speeches than real content or substance. Sad really!

And even though I do not want McCain for president, for all those that say his campaign was in trouble and that is why he picked Palin . . . well, considering the polls show he is in a dead heat with Obama would prove your ridiculous theory wrong.

I swear common sense and real dialogue about the issues and problems have gone by the wayside and have been replaced by "I have a dream" speeches and tabloid gossip. It's pathetic what people are settling for and makes me sad so many people are ignorant about the direction our country is going.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:24 AM

Well, being as the issues have been presented and you chose to focus on his supposed religious beliefs a few months back.... Many assumed you wouldn't be interested in the issues. Because, if you truly were, you'd understand it is a lot more than "I have a dream"... You just want let yourself get past the speeches and tabloid gossip.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:59 AM

I think McCain made a mistake, because I would rather have Sarah Palin as pres. than him. I like her because she is the "antithesis" of Hilary. It doesnt matter though, because Im still not voting for McCain. I think he made a good choice for vp though.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:28 AM

Vindicated . . . I don't know who you are confusing me with but I have never talked about anyone's religion because I don't vote based on religious beliefs.

And again, I usually vote Democratic but I am not voting for either McCain or Obama because I feel both lack the credentials to lead this nation. Somehow in your little mind you construe me as some conservative Republican and anyone that knows me on here will tell you that I am far from that.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:35 AM

jaxspike,

On here if you dont bow at the altar of Obama you get labled a Republican no matter what (theres nothing wrong with that, btw). You are dealing with people who cannot see past party lines or can think for themselves.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 12:49 PM

I find the huge "controversy" over Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter being with child quite idiotic and unneccesary. What exactly does that baby have to do with Palin's experience, politics, or her V.P. nomination? The family's(especially the children) of politicians should be left alone and I'm sure that Palin will come out with her fists up for all the crap that's being thrown at her daughter, and who could blame her?

Sarah is a no nonsense, tough and smart woman who is more than qualified to run our country and turn things around for the better.

-- Posted by Raven Shonski on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:28 PM

raven, great post. maybe the best i've seen yet. you said it great. it just goes to show when the liberals get scared, feel threatened, and know what they're up against, they resort to ridiculous personal attacks and slander. it will likely backfire on them as it relates to gov. palin. she'll knock 'em dead tonight. just watch.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Raven Shonski, I completely agree with your statement. I would like to meet one person in the United States that does not have at least one skeleton in their closet. The difference between the average US citizen and Palin is that she is in the media spotlight. Who cares that her daughter is "with child"? Does that really take away from the job that Palin would do as VP? No, it won't! It just proves that she and her family are human and have the same family struggles as any other American.

I too believe that she will come out tonight at the Republican Convention with smoking guns. I hope she tells the media and the American public that she is a proud wife, mother, and happy soon to be grandmother! God bless Sarah Palin and her family and may the media leave them alone!

-- Posted by ohwell on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:33 PM

Let me list the things Obama has done. 1) nothing 2) been on oprah 3) nothing 4) some more of nothing.... You gonna make a decision for our country & are you gonna make the movie stars & other rich idiots drink their own cool aid ? Palin was awesome tonight. Obama, is far from qualified, he's using race as a trump card for example, Oprah, P Diddy, etc. If you want this country to go down the pipes vote for this attention grubbing nobody..

-- Posted by SteelerT on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:56 PM

Bristol Palin received so much camera time tonight, if I didn't know better, I would have thought she was running for president.

-- Posted by Richard on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:31 AM

Hey teens out there--get pregnant at 17 and your mom might just become VP. Hey, go on national TV, brag about it and get more airtime than any other teen in America. ( except maybe Jamie Spears, wasn't she ridiculed for her actions?)

What a wonderful roll model mom Sarah. Can't wait to see what you do next!

-- Posted by up north on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM

DoubleJ:

"it just goes to show when the liberals get scared, feel threatened, and know what they're up against, they resort to ridiculous personal attacks and slander"

Do you not see that Republicans do the same thing...be honest with yourself...both parites do.

Can you say Russ Limbaugh just to name one...I can on and on.

Have you not heard their speeches?????

-- Posted by reader_2 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:08 AM

I thought Sarah Palin was awesome last nite. I wish she was running for Pres, instead of McCain.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:47 AM

both parties do attack each other. no doubt. but this recent bashing of gove. palin was way out of line. she proved to everyone last night that she is ready to lead despite all the criticism and it is great to see her determination, strength, love, character, honesty, etc. we need this in our country and her and john mccain can bring true leadership to this country. be honest with yourself. who do you want to lead this country and who is ready to lead at such a crucial time? it's as simple as that.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:29 PM

Is not every single election a crucial time? What issues you see as crucial may not be the same issues that I see as crucial.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:37 PM

very true. that says it all right there.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 3:05 PM

its a shame the Dems will cling to anyone who don't like Bush. Now they're only hope is someone who has done nothing but promise to lay down for the foreign countrys & use his skin color to get votes. I clearly seen my VP last night & will see my future President tonite. If it weren't for Oprahs money, Obama would still be pushing pencils up norrth...

-- Posted by SteelerT on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:53 PM

SteelerT,

It's a good thing Obama supports education funding, unlike the party you prefer... I guess it's quite obvious in your pathetic grammar skills, or lack thereof.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 6:59 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/afxhgf...

130,000 Obama supporters donate $10 million the day after Palin speech ;

-- Posted by Vindicated on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 7:28 PM

Oh i'm sorry. didn't know you had to speak using perfect grammar skills. Let's try this... List for me the things constructive Obama has done... Just a few will be fine. And as far as your $10 mill from 130,000 supporters go. Michael Moore, Oprah, P Diddy, some of the movie stars & your $4.00, hey your probably telling the truth there. Idiot !

-- Posted by SteelerT on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 11:29 PM

http://www.charter.net/video/?vendid=18&...

Time to stop slinging mud now, and get on the "ECONOMY". Jobs Closing or going Over Seas, High Gas, Affordable Health Ins., Home Foreclosures, Illegal Immigrants, etc. This is were my Vote will go.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 2:49 AM

"The Republicans are shedding an awful lot of heat, but no light" - Obama.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 7:41 AM

SteelerT....Where is all the love for your fellow mankind that YOUR candidate suggested we have last night....

calling some an "Idiot".

Shame on you!!!

-- Posted by reader_2 on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 8:41 AM

reader_2, why single out SteelerT. I think darrick_04's comment was out of bounds too. Not everyone on the blogs has to be a grammarian to express their ideas.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 6:12 PM

She didn't "Sell" that plane on Ebay either! It is VERY obvious Karl Rove wrote her speech, because it was full of half-truths.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 7:06 PM

She did put it on Ebay and it was sold so I would say that's at least a 2/3 truth.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 11:09 PM

I've finally figured it out. After reading all these posts & watching the news all weekend, on & off, i've got it figured out. Thats why Obama has the Clintons not too far away at any time. Obama knows nothing about anything. He wants to "buddy up" with the terrorist countrys & the French too. If Oprah didn't have fat pockets this guy would be like the rest of us, watching from a far. This is the guy thats still talking about national healthcare too ? Maybe he should talk to some canadiens about how its easier to go pay some where rather than wait forever to get into a dr. Barack Hussein Obama IIis nothing other than a Junior Senator for Illinois, and a community organizer from Chicago. WOW his qualifications amaze me, not hardly.

-- Posted by SteelerT on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM

I get such a kick out of the comments stating that Barack Obama "knows nothing about anything". Where have you been lately? How can anyone simply fall in love with an unknown over one speech? Suddenly "SHE'S the SMART ONE". Come on people, we should know better! Well, some of us do.

Electing a president shouldn't be based on gender, lipstick, and really COOL glasses but the substance of their character, where will they lead this country and when will they END the war.. We have had several months to get to know Obama, several years to know Joe Biden and yet one speech and 60 days to know Palin. We have one vote here, one every four years. Mine means more to me than jumping on the Palin bandwagon. When you take a good look, who is really running for president on the GOP ticket? Can we risk putting Palin in that spot?

Not my choice and not my "one" vote.

-- Posted by up north on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM

Mine either..

After all, what is Sarah Barracuda going to do as V.P., should they win? Not much... I don't think I have ever seen an election where we elect one's V.P. for nothing more than hate speeches. Ironically enough, every event she attends we hear the EXACT same lines, over and over and over... Karl Rove dementia, dare I say?

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 11:53 AM

In response to the Republican attacks on Obama being a Community Organizer and labeling him as "The One" or "Obamassiah" this was the best response given about Sarah Palin's experience as a governor: "Pontius Pilate was a governor"- Rep Steve Cohen. LOL... Oh so true!

-- Posted by Disturbia on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 12:09 PM

Rep. Steve Cohen also said Obama was like Jesus in the same statement. Another crackpot Obama worshiper.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:15 AM

Oh, ok... so was Jesus a "WAR HERO" or a Community Organizer.. I mean really. Maybe you don't know what Jesus did.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:09 PM

I received this as an email today and thought it gave an interesting comment from an interesting man. Not that I agree or disagree with any or all of it but thought it was interesting enough and pertaining to the topic enough to pass on as a viewpoint.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.htm...

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 AM

This blind following of Obama is starting to get scary, I see how Jim Jones got his followers now.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 1:40 PM

Yup.. you better open your eyes!

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 10:57 PM

Oh, ok... so was Jesus a "WAR HERO" or a Community Organizer.. I mean really. Maybe you don't know what Jesus did.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:09 PM

Disturbia,

Jesus answered your question for you himself.

In his own words.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 6:36 AM

Sorry, I incorrectly posted the link earlier.

The correct link is listed below:

http://www.atlah.org:80/broadcast/ndnr09...

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 6:00 PM

Disturbia,

Jesus answered your question for you himself.

In his own words.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 6:36 AM

Jesus was not using the word sword in it's literal sense here and he certainly was not issuing a call to arms if that is what you are getting at.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:22 AM

Parkerbrothers has a tendancy to twist the words of the Bible to fit his perposterous meaning... In no way, no shape or form did Jesus commit violent acts.. And to insinuate that is blasphemy, from a supposed devout Christian.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:47 AM

I am not supporting any ones view here, but did Jesus not beat the money changers in the temple.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:25 PM

Depends on which human translation you read...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:12 PM

Which human translation do you read?

-- Posted by devan on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:06 PM

Apparently not the same as greasemonkey eh?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:05 PM

What translation would you have me read? I have read it from a dozen translations, and they are all the same.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:11 AM

Disturbia,

Jesus came as Savior the first time. He comes as Judge shortly.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

However, he did know the implications of his sword following the first coming.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:52 AM

Disturbia,

Jesus answered your question for you himself.

In his own words.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 6:36 AM

Jesus was not using the word sword in it's literal sense here and he certainly was not issuing a call to arms if that is what you are getting at.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:22 AM

nathan,

No, that is not what I was getting at. I was thinking it could be seen that he came as neither of Disturbias available options which were a "WAR HERO" or a Community Organizer.

Almost everyone stumbled over his purpose 2000 years ago. Still today we stumble if we are not careful to see through the deception created by the author of confusion.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Governor Palin is an example of the type of citizen that America used to have in abundance. Unfortunately, Nanny government and the LameStreamMedia warped, dumbed down and in general brainwashed a whole generation. Unless we start thinking for ourselves again, and regrow some backbone, this country will be be totally unrecognizable in another generation. How many of us will admit who we voted for by this time next year.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Governor Palin is an example of the type of citizen that America used to have in abundance. Unfortunately, Nanny government and the LameStreamMedia warped, dumbed down and in general brainwashed a whole generation. Unless we start thinking for ourselves again, and regrow some backbone, this country will be be totally unrecognizable in another generation. How many of us will admit who we voted for by this time next year.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 12:44 PM

I don't think you truly know what you are talking about at all. I think you are only repeating what you have heard from others.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 2:28 PM

You are known by the company you keep. Seems to me that BHO has some lovely friends in both his past and currently. If you really listen to his speeches, you will learn only one thing. He really wants the presidency badly. And has changed his message of change so many times that you really don't know what he wants to change. And no Nathan, I never follow blindly. I research all the issues before I decide. I just can't honestly find anything in BHO to earn my respect.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 3:49 PM

This is a good reason to pay attention to what the Democratic ticket says.

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/b...

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 7:06 PM

And no Nathan, I never follow blindly. I research all the issues before I decide. I just can't honestly find anything in BHO to earn my respect.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 3:49 PM

Then apparently you don't research all the issues very thoroughly.. It helps if you get off the Christian Conservative fear mongering websites... and start doing some factual research.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:08 PM

This is a good reason to pay attention to what the Democratic ticket says.

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/b...

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 7:06 PM

Being as McCain said "the economy is fundamentally sound" yesterday morning, then that evening said "the economy is in crisis", I wouldn't link anything from his website, which by the way.. is ran by lobbyists.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:10 PM

Disturbia,

You can tell us anything. Show us the footage. Something of the nature you "claim" has to be running on captured footage much like the link I posted.

Even if your comment is remotely linked truthful it compares to nothing next to Biden saying Hussien Obama is "not" ready for a presidency.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 11:00 PM

Furthermore Disturbia a company or country can be fundamentally sound and still have to deal with a crisis. Actually for a company or country to be able to deal with crisis it has to be fundamentally sound.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 11:15 PM

I an retired so have lots of time to do research. Living on a fixed income so I'm not a fatcat living on the backs of the common man. So Nathan, I do a lot of reading. Here is a very interesting link for anyone wanting more information on the kind of tricks BHO and his people pull (up to and including death threats). Kinda reminds me of those old Nazi Brownshirt stunts.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/pos...

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 6:58 AM

It is an interesting link cherokee2. Well worth reading.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 7:26 AM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/pos...

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 6:58 AM

You link says it all... It is easy to get a story you want, when the research you seek comes from a source such as that.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 9:11 AM

Here is a very interesting link for anyone wanting more information on the kind of tricks BHO and his people pull (up to and including death threats). Kinda reminds me of those old Nazi Brownshirt stunts.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/pos...

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 6:58 AM

I have read the story you posted cherokee2 and while I understand its author's point of view, I must side with Obama on this subject. If the current administration is able to secure agreements with Iraq before the next president is in office, then the United States would be required to meet these agreements. Personally, and many others across the country agree with me, I feel that the war in Iraq is a drain on our treasury, it targeted the wrong people, it enables more terrorists than it defeats, and it is needlessly exhausting our military. Our country domestically has its own problems and the time has come for Iraq to spend its own 31 billion dollar budget surplus to support itself. If Barrack Obama wants to pull our military out of Iraq sooner than George W. Bush does, then trying to delay any agreement that would keep our military in Iraq until 2011 would be part of Obama's goals which could not wait until January 20th. If you ask me, Obama has tremendous foresight and is using exceptional planning to ensure that if elected he can get our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible. And as far as the author's other claim goes about the UN mandate, there was no UN mandate to invade Iraq. The UN declared the war illegal and the vote to allow the use of force did not get past the UN Security Council. I do not know what tricks you are speaking of that Obama has pulled, but the report you linked to shows that Obama is doing what is necessary to ensure that he can deliver what he is promising to his constituents during his first term if elected. What is McCain's position on the war?

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 12:20 PM

100 years... so long as he gets to stay in the air conditioned room ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 9:42 PM

He deserves the air conditioned room after the service he has given to this Country.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 11:00 AM


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