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Paranoia over Obama's talk to kids

Posted Friday, September 4, 2009, at 2:22 PM

If a president wanted to address America's students in past years, likely no one would have objected.

Flash forward to today. We're already receiving calls at the T-G from parents asking if the speech will be heard in Bedford County's classrooms. (We don't know yet...)

Some conservatives are already accusing Obama of attempting to indoctrinate America's children. I'm seeing front page stories in newspapers around the nation about parents asking that their children be allowed to "opt out" from the speech.

I don't think any previous president in my lifetime would have faced such a response. But constant verbal attacks on Obama are becoming the norm these days.

Some conservatives and Republicans seem to be attempting to lead America into a state of paranoia against Obama. I seriously doubt Obama is attempting to turn America's children into young Democrats.

We're simply seeing political posturing at its finest, and it seems to be running rampant lately.

"As far as I am concerned, this is not civics education -- it gives the appearance of creating a cult of personality," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Steve Russell was quoted by the Associated Press. "This is something you'd expect to see in North Korea or in Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

Enough ridiculousness already, conservatives. Just ask for response time following Obama's talk, find a Republican spokesperson, and talk to the kids yourselves. Then, all of you, stop interfering with learning time.


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Why put the kids in a position of having to judge a "he said", "he said" situation in the first place? I think politicians, of all parties, should leave our children alone. Period, no exceptions.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 2:48 PM

The purpose of schools is not for political indoctrination, liberal or conservative.

The fact that packets were sent out encouraging students to write about how "obama has inspired them" or "what they can do to help obama" tells me all I need to know.

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:12 PM

at one time i thought the best part about the end of bush's time was an end to the jerks & crazies that followed him about trying to disrupt every public appearance.

it would seem that was but a prelude. i think half the country has gone completely insane. ok, probably more like 30 or 35%. i hope you are prepared for this thread to be pummeled with some of the most ridiculous statements imaginable, because there is no claim so outrageous that it wont be made with absolute sincerity.

-- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM

For goodness sakes, all the President is going to talk about is the importance of staying in school, and setting educational goals and striving to be successful in whatever field one chooses. Apparently, the far right doesn't want their children hearing this.

President Obama is not going to get into political rhetoric as far as I can tell. This is not an indoctrination speech.

I was not a fan of George Bush, but I would not have pulled my children out of school if he was going to make the same kind of "stay in school" speech.

The far right has just reached the pinnacle of paranoid ridiculousness. What's even sadder is that some of this foolishness is coming from Republican Senators and Congressman. You'd think they would have enough sense.

-- Posted by volfanatic on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM

in 1991, George Bush Sr. did the same exact thing, I didn't see anyone complain then?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:43 PM

I seem to remember Nancy (or maybe Ronald) Reagan talking to kids in schools - I think it was about the importance of not taking drugs or something. I was still in grammar school at the time, but I vaguely remember it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the president address the nation's schoolchildren ot urge them to stay in school - they might listen.

-- Posted by cfrich on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:46 PM

and here we go....................

-- Posted by riebenchild on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 4:16 PM

I'm amazed that there's even a discussion. What are people afraid that he will say?? He's the president, for Pete's sake, and there is nothing weird about an inspirational talk to schoolkids from the president.

-- Posted by cascade mama on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 5:47 PM

For goodness sakes, all the President is going to talk about is the importance of staying in school, and setting educational goals and striving to be successful in whatever field one chooses. Apparently, the far right doesn't want their children hearing this.

-- Posted by volfanatic on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM

So obama is going to interrupt class to tell kids how important it is to study hard and pay attention in class?????

The 60's hippies had an analogy about fighting for peace...., that would apply here.

The thought of him interrupting a civics class to tout a socialist healthcare plan is beyond absurd.

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 8:25 PM

Parents can actually screen the speech on Monday if they want. The thing is, he isn't the first president to do this, and I see no problem with it. Reagan and Bush Sr both did it, because I was in school during that time and remember watching it.

He isn't going to tout his healthcare plan. He's asking them to do well and stay in school. Reagan did it to tell us to say no to drugs and Bush's was about the importance of education. Honestly, being upset about this is absurd.

-- Posted by tamb on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 9:05 PM

I honestly think too much of this is being made . . . if schools systems are concerned over the content of the address then they can screen it and if they feel its politically motivate then they don't have to show it and if it is fine then they can show it in class. Seems pretty easy scenario to solve to me. while I am no fan of Obama, several presidents have done this so I don't see it as a big deal. Now if he was using it to promote health care or some political agenda then I would be concerned.

Oh well, both sides of the political spectrum have become paranoid and insane lately.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 10:45 PM

I have no problem with a president talking to school children per se. What I have a problem with is one who has no apparent religion and surrounds himself with people who scare the living daylights out of me and telling children to write about what they can do to help him. This person got to where he is by mostly voting present. No one knows for sure what his views are as he never really takes a stand and sticks with it. If you watch regular (NBC, CBS, ABC news) you will never hear of his communist czar Van Jones. Research him and see why I am scared. I feel sure if he could have done it, William Ayre would also be a czar. Wake up people before it's too late. The old has become new. Read German history and you see a repeat starting in America. For as long as I can, I will voice my opinion but this privelege is coming to an end I fear. Soon we only be allowed to agree with public policy. And by the way, in present day America, paranoia is a survival trait.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 7:30 AM

I don't remember any president giving a speech when I was in school primarily because there weren't televisions/computers in the classroom.

My question is, If a teacher decided it on their own before it became news, wouldn't they be in trouble for not getting permission first?

I am not sure how I feel about it, but I know that my own kids have not agreed with me when it comes to politics or religion.

I have always wanted them to think for themselves and make their own decisions. They change their beliefs every week and don't halfway listen anyway so I don't know if would make any difference.

I personally feel that the President is not addressing any issues publicly enough. He seems to be hiding from everything. I guess he thought all the pretty speeches he made prior to getting elected would be enough to run the country.

-- Posted by neena on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 8:33 AM

Cherokee2 - I've read German history, and I doubt that Obama will be committing mass genocide any time soon, and to infer that is an insult to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

-- Posted by cfrich on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 10:18 AM

Paranoia. Fear. Distraction. The definition of modern day conservatism.

How weird that American citizens are objecting to a speech encouraging hard work, strong work ethic and feedback on how to improve education.

Bush was allowed to sit in a classroom and read to children while our country was being attacked, and he stayed throughout the entire event... where was the outrage over that?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM

I am tired of being told to "wake up" by all the far right wing, paranoid, so called family value, patriotic ,flag waving "conservatives" crowd. They have become a bad joke and in my opinion almost anti-American. When the President of our country cannot address any group of Americans, let alone our children, that's all the proof I need to convince me who wants to bring America to her knees. Censorship is one of their big issues, WHAT HAPPENED? Gray should reconsider or be asked to resign. If I had a child in school and was told they could not watch the address, they would watch it at home, even if it was a Republican President. Maybe it's time to take all the TVs out of the schools. God knows what else the conservative crowd might object to. Conservative wacko's need to wake up and face reality, like if or not, the facts are that more than half of our country's sane citizens do not agree with you or your crazy statements and actions. You act is if you are in the majority even though President Obama won an honest uncontested majority. I, along with most honest Americans, and every poll available, rank Bush as the worst President in history. Most Republicans even admit the fact. He had a veto proof majority in Congress for four years. Be honest, what did he do with it? He ran strong on restoring family values, what did he do to improve families? Be honest with yourself, if you can. He still recieved respect for the OFFICE. I don't believe conservatives respect themselves, let alone the office. My fear is not socialism, Democrats or liberals. My fear is paranoid so called conservatives who call themselves Americans.

-- Posted by chs61 on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 11:53 AM

So President Obama wants to speak to our school-age children. As previously stated this is not a first.

Who in their right mind would think a man in his position would jeopardize himself and his party by doing or saying anything that would bring harm to our children?

GET A GRIP! It looks to me from the outlandish remarks posted here and based on Mr. Gray's knee jerk reaction that we are heading to a time and place akin to the civil war era, divided and disagreeable on any subject which contains any substance at all.

-- Posted by ghostrider on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 2:41 PM

Who in their right mind would think a man in his position would jeopardize himself and his party by doing or saying anything that would bring harm to our children?

-- Posted by ghostrider on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 2:41 PM

You mean like giving billions to the auto industry to prop up his union supporters who turn around and file bankruptcy anyway?

Or the Porkulus plan that the children will pay for for the rest of their lives?

Or his world apology tour that portrays America as weak and will embolden our enemies?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 2:59 PM

I could not imagine a time in this country when so much fear would be spread through ignorance. I spent many years working with youth in Church , in the School system , and in the general community. It amazes me to see the parents speak out against this Presidential talk to Americas kids in hopes that it will motivate them to better themselves. If as much effort was used by these people to help all kids stay on target and encourage them, as there is to ignorantly bash the upcoming Presidential speech , then we might have a good thing going.

Kids today need someone to encourage them in the right direction ...heck they simply need some good attention and guidelines set by parents. Too many are just shuffled along and only supported when the parent is brought into the picture to help correct an issue and then the support only comes because that particular parent was imposed upon. Ask the childern if they would like to hear it. Suddenly I see the Republican side of this coming forth just as in the days of the Bush Whitehouse and spreading incorrect statements to lead with fear against something that doesn't suit their agenda. Looks to me like we have an American version of the Taliban growing right here in the political parties ...... Let the kids learn for goodness sake they deserve the truth not some drummed up conservative line of crap.

-- Posted by PoppaJim on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 4:02 PM

Funny how its all about the money now and his apology ....... let's not forget that the apology should have been delivered by George Bush after all he started the crap that took us down hill in the eyes of the world . To apologize isn't a bad thing just as the good religious folks out there. It showed us as human and not the pompous jerks that we were looked upon as. And the money issue is not the fault of Bush or Obama its the greed we Americans have that caused the problem .... we cried for the government to fix it and now cry because they are trying ... we surely didn't do anything to prevent it so lets all grow up and take the road we asked for.

-- Posted by PoppaJim on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 4:08 PM

Darrick_04 . . . will you still be bringing up Bush's name 60 years from now when something bad happens? Come on . . . . he hasnt been president for nine months so let him go. I know you love using him as a security blanket every time you wet your bed. LOL!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 4:32 PM

I agree with most of you. What is the big deal that our President wants to encourage our youth. I would not hesitate a minute letting my son watch it.

-- Posted by missysmom on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 4:34 PM

in 1991, George Bush Sr. did the same exact thing, I didn't see anyone complain then?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Sep 4, 2009, at 3:43 PM

Back up, he announced the invasion of Kuwait; he did not deliver a speech directed at our children.

-- Posted by docudrama on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 7:31 PM

jax,

No... but jaxspike, everything we are dealing with at the present moment happened when he was president. Like it or not, it is the truth... so much for adding anything to the conversation. Typical. Exactly what wasn't true about the fact that he was in a classroom reading to children, when we were attacked? Now the same folks who cared less that he was in a classroom reading books doesn't want someone different making a speech to their children. This is all hype and no substance, and if "liberals" had banned Bush from speaking to children across the country they would have been labeled anti-American, unpatriotic, and everything else in the book, so why the sudden change? Who in their right mind thinks the president is going to talk to children about his health care policy? Pathetic.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 7:47 PM

But yet they take prayer and bibles out of schools. But our kids still have to listen to someone voice their opinion on anything that he wants to say regardless of what it is. It's pathetic that some of you don't understand what is happening to our country right before our eyes. Some people aren't acting in the best interest of America even though they say they are. Are some of you so niave that you can't see the fire for the smoke? Do you folks not ever watch FOX and listen to Glen Beck? You better start listening. How can he compare everyday citizens concerned about health care to terrorists?! Look at all the people he has appointed as his staff! Does that not bother anyone but a few of us? Some of you need to look at the big picture and learn what all of this means.

-- Posted by jkelley on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 8:05 PM

Fox and Glen Beck .... that in itself explains everything ......next

-- Posted by PoppaJim on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 8:58 PM

Darrick_04 . . . I am sorry that Bush couldn't plan the terrorist attacks after he was done with his book reading at the school since he knew it was going to happen beforehand like you seem to suggest. I assume he was trying to remain calm and not make a scene to scare the children. I really did not like Bush (ok, I despised the job he did as president) but I see no fault in the situation you mentioned and also believe that Obama is in charge and not Bush.

I mean really, do you even think about what you say? You seem pathetic when every time someone disagrees with you or says something you don't like because you always have to throw out the "Well, Bush did this or that" comment. Quit living in the past . . . I thought you was all about change.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 10:19 PM

docudrama,

Back up? ROFL you can't just pick and choose here... George Bush televised a talk with school students in 1991. What does Kuwait have anything to do with that?

Reagan talked with school students while even mentioning his tax cut bills he was trying to pass through Congress.

What is the difference with Obama talking to school students if two previous presidents did the same thing with little to no protest? What are the differences?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 10:43 PM

Just in case you need more on dates and what was said...

On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program "t o schools nationwide on three different days." Much of Reagan's speech that day covered the American "vision of self-government" and the need "to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America" but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes.

a September 17, 1991 teleconference conducted by Dubya's father, President George Herbert Walker Bush, in conjunction with the National Space Science Symposium. The idea was to get kids excited about education in general and careers in math and science in particular through grandfatherly advice, with occasional attempts at corny humor tossed in. For example, he said at one point, "All of you can turn learning into an adventure. And to do this you have to prepare not just by studying, but by studying hard, especially math and science. And that means doing what I too often fail to do, that means homework."

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 10:49 PM

Bush was allowed to sit in a classroom and read to children while our country was being attacked, and he stayed throughout the entire event... where was the outrage over that?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM

Once again another one got it wrong. President Bush was reading a story to an elementary school class when he was told a plane flew into the first of the two towers. At that moment he was not aware that there was a terrorist attack in progress, nor was the rest of America. After the second plane struck he made brief announcement and left right away for Washington D.C. he did not sit idly by as you would have folks to believe. So get your facts in order before you try to drag Bush into the conversation again. Just like a liberal when they don't know the facts they make them up.

-- Posted by docudrama on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 1:24 AM

If we must leave religion out of schools...then lets leave politics out as well. I would say that regarding ANY president.

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 2:05 AM

Evil Monkey I concede to you that Bush one did in fact speak from a school in Washington on the date that you mentioned. However there was a tremendous back lash from the liberal camp. With the majority leader, Gephardt screaming from the floor of Congress.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

As my reference.

As for Reagan, his was a question and answer session after the elections at a middle school in D.C.

www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/...

As my reference

Neither I might add had a lesson plan for teachers to go by. Nor did the White House on either occasion ask teachers to read books about the President on how Hope lead him on a path that took him from a mixed family home to the White House, and that hope spoke to him as he walked by the Hudson river and told him it was his destiny to lead the country in a new direction of change.

-- Posted by docudrama on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 2:07 AM

Obama adviser Jones resigns. Best news I've heard all morning.

-- Posted by docudrama on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 3:11 AM

jaxspike,

You're obsessed..

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM

After nearly half a century of de-segregation, this country has somehow found a way to bring segregation back to life....

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 8:47 AM

All hype and no substance--a good way to describe our CURRENT President.

-- Posted by stardust on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM

According to.... you? Yet, the economy is turning around for the better. Yeah, no substance. It certainly isn't for lack of trying, it is the party of "NO" who quashes any potential substance.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:38 AM

After nearly half a century of de-segregation, this country has somehow found a way to bring segregation back to life....

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 8:47 AM

Well we knew SOMEONE had to play the race card.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:11 AM

Once again I will say if we will not allow GOD in our schools then why would we allow any president whether he be black, white, green or purple to speak to our children? What is wrong with us as parents or even teachers/principals reminding our children of how important school is to their future? I am sure our president has good intentions - because he has children of his own, but he needs to focus on the state of our country because it seems to be in dire need of some help. People sit back and ponder this for a moment: if our children were allowed to watch this on tv at school for 20 minutes - what would they really be thinking? I know what I would be thinking if I was back in school & got 20 minutes to watch someone on tv - YAY we are getting out of lessons for 20 minutes! We are making too big of a deal out of this. Most - yes I did say most - of our children could care less about this. Most of them will be mad because they won't get out of any lessons or classes for 20 minutes on that day.

-- Posted by GODmadeusALL on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:32 AM

Well we knew SOMEONE had to play the race card.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:11 AM

That would be the elected officials who chose not to allow this speech, but had no such decision in the two prior speeches given by two former president's. Call it what you want, but the only people playing the race card are the elected officials in this county... btw, I'm white but and my glasses are clear.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 1:26 PM

What a great opportunity for our Bedford County School Superintendent and the School Board.

The chance to build a straw man and divert the most contraversial time in the school system in over 30 years. Watching our President or not does not change what we as parents have to deal with as our children attend schools on Tuesday.

-- Posted by catina.wentin on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 6:35 PM

That would be the elected officials who chose not to allow this speech, but had no such decision in the two prior speeches given by two former president's.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic

That would be because those elected officials work for the voters. Voters who have had a bellyful of obama and company's Marxist ideology, as reflected in his history making low poll numbers so early in a term.

The outrage liberals speak of, over the speech, and the town hall meetings are the up 'til now silent majority, who have heard and seen enough!!!

If obama wants to talk to kids, fine, let him make an address during prime time (he seems to know how to do that already) and request parents have their kids watch.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 7:04 PM

"the up 'til now silent majority, who have heard and seen enough!!!"

neither silent, nor majority, would apply to the screamers.

-- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:06 PM

Anyone who listens to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh and takes their word as gospel, is out of touch with reality. Even the National Republican Pary is trying to distance themselves from both Bozos. Their theories are so far fetched and based on grabbing sound bytes that no one can seriously take them for anything but what they are. Ratings hounds. It's all about viewership and ratings folks!

-- Posted by chs61 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:33 PM

It's a sad day when Cheatam County is more responsible than Bedford County. Their leadership ain't skerred.

-- Posted by chs61 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:36 PM

Their theories are so far fetched and based on grabbing sound bytes that no one can seriously take them for anything but what they are. Ratings hounds. It's all about viewership and ratings folks!

-- Posted by chs61 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:33 PM

But obama's folks, who sign 9/11 truth documents, thinking Bush was behind the terrorist attacks are to be trusted?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:42 PM

neither silent, nor majority, would apply to the screamers.

-- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:06 PM

Maybe not silent, but majority would now apply, based on obama's approval ratings....which are the first in history to drop below 50% in a president's first year in office.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:45 PM

Let's just disallow all politicians access to the school system and all school related functions. Let's not allow politicians to hand out campaign literature at school athletic contests. Let's also not allow them in the schools to read to the children or have any other contact with them at all.

This is just getting d**n ridiculous.

-- Posted by volfanatic on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 10:36 PM

"Maybe not silent, but majority would now apply, based on obama's approval ratings."

actually, the biggest part of the drop in rating is due to the disappointment of the extreme left who feel betrayed by his perceived failure to pursue an extreme leftist agenda. you miss a lot when you only listen to one set of extremists. the extreme left are no more a majority than the screamers, just not as noisy... not because they make any more sense, but because they are more sensitive about appearing to be mentally unbalanced.

-- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 10:52 PM

Maybe not silent, but majority would now apply, based on obama's approval ratings....which are the first in history to drop below 50% in a president's first year in office.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 9:45 PM

-His rating is not yet at 50% according to the most respected polling institution, the gallup...

-Four presidents -- Harry Truman (11 months into his term), as well as Ford, Reagan, and Clinton -- dropped below majority approval in their first year in office......However, falling below 50% would hardly mark a point of no return for Obama. All presidents went back above the 50% mark after their initial loss of majority public support. And Clinton and Reagan, who dropped below majority approval faster than most other presidents, easily won second terms in the subsequent election. http://www.gallup.com/poll/122513/Presid...

Clearly you have stopped citing proof of your own assertions, odd, given that you always expect the same from your opposition...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 10:55 PM

Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 10:55 PM

Rasmussen Reports has Obamas DISSAPPROVAL rating at 50% so I guess it's who you want to quote to prove your point. I guess wouldn't you say?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...

-- Posted by docudrama on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:10 PM

Someone who spends $1,000,000 to keep from having to produce a $10 Birth Certificate, appoints radical, Anti American, Anti Free Speech, Communists who are on tape supporting Communist regimes and murderous thug dictators , and who himself befriended and supported a racist pastor and church that gave awards to terrorists and had,as a political adviser, an admitted terrorist who killed innocent Americans, should never be allowed to speak to our school children.

Then again, he should have never been voted in as President either.

-- Posted by Nocturnal Jeff on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:14 PM

actually, the biggest part of the drop in rating is due to the disappointment of the extreme left who feel betrayed by his perceived failure to pursue an extreme leftist agenda.

-- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 10:52 PM

Pray tell what possible extreme far leftist agenda could obama have missed?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:19 PM

docudrama,

Of course you have to consider which poll to use.. cbsnews has the approval rating at 56%, which is clearly an outlier given the statistical deadlock of the two aforementioned polls.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:29 PM

Then again, usatoday has it at 55% approval, so really some polls are lagging indicators of the actual number number. So really, it's a matter of average them all or finding the median. Neither of which I care to do.

But, to the whole "first in history to drop below 50%"... clearly an opinion disguised as fact.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 6, 2009, at 11:35 PM

I will admit my mistake. obama was not the first. However dropping faster than everyone except Ford or Clinton isn't much of an improvement.

Notably, Ford didn't get reelected and congress did a dramatic turn around during Clinton's term. I doubt if obama has the political savvy of Clinton to get reelected.

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 12:26 AM

Ford didn't get re-elected because he pardoned Nixon. Lol... and to the second point, we will have to see.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 12:42 AM

Getting back onto the subject here, I'm glad they are not showing Obama in school. It is our job as parents to convey the message about doing well in school and staying in school to our kids, not his. I think we have much bigger problems for him to be working on these days. If he wanted to speak to the kids, do it one afternoon on TV when parents and children can chose to watch it together or not. He seems to like being on TV all the time.

-- Posted by steelerfan743 on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 8:43 AM

staying on subject, i think the funniest part is the idea that obama will somehow effect kids in 18 minutes. i had 18 years, and all mine still have minds of their own.

-- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 9:36 AM

"It is our job as parents to convey the message about doing well in school and staying in school to our kids, not his."

i owe a lot of folks apologies. i do volunteer work that has me around kids a lot, and i never miss an opportunity to encourage them to apply themselves in school. i never stopped to think that it might offend someone.

-- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 9:39 AM

This speech is what parents are so up in arms about. Please tell me what is wrong with this. Please, someone? It's about taking personal responsibility, something conservatives and Republicans preach over and over again. I'm just disgusted by all this.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources...

-- Posted by tamb on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 11:21 AM

OK, allright, I get it! If we won't allow God in our classroom, he is really going to be mad if we allow President Obama. I've seen the light!

-- Posted by chs61 on Mon, Sep 7, 2009, at 11:48 AM

When President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

So you see folks, Republicans are not the only ones who complain when a president decides to speak to schools. How easily some of us forget things like this.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 7:44 AM

I think all of this has been blown way out of the water. I don't like Obama and I don't agree with anything he says, but I have read the transcript and it IS a positive message. Now if he was sneaking in other ideas to our children, then that is a different story.

-- Posted by honda14 on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 11:27 AM

Wouldn't it have saved a lot of Hoopla if President Obama had sent a copy of the speech in the first place to the schools.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 2:47 PM

Dianatn . . . maybe Obama doesn't understand what transparency means even though he used the term frequently through his election campaign.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM

Wouldn't it have saved a lot of Hoopla if President Obama had sent a copy of the speech in the first place to the schools.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 2:47 PM

No Dianatn, it would not have, those here in a panic over it are going to hate and fight everything to do with Obama, no questions asked. If Bush or McCain had read the same speech word for word they would have ate it as if it came from the bible itself. It not the message they fight it's the political party they hate and pledge to destroy at any cost that said it they are fighting and fear.

Sad but true,

-- Posted by LetsGetRealFolks on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 8:24 PM

WOW! Looking....looking...nope. Not a single reference in the constitution in regards to education or public schooling. Teachers unions are not legal entities....Its been like this for generations and from both ruling partys, and you and I have let it get this way.

Perhaps as a civics lesson the children will see the Chineese flag flown OVER OURS at the Whitehouse this week. Will their teachers discuss Chineese rule of law and justify the murder of a shoplifter in China? Will teachers show the historic ungodly way of Chineese communism?

Doubt it!

Both partys have gone way off the charts with rhetoric, however the game has been accelerated to the point of no return and we all face the last draw card together. Term limits will be challenged if we allow this gov. to bring it forth. Is anyone awake? Csars? CSARS?! In my country?

Enjoy the coup d' e`tat and remember that liberal rule does not tolerate liberty.

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 9:38 PM

Huh?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Sep 8, 2009, at 9:56 PM

WOW, did President Obama really say "Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America" in his back to school address? Isn't it the "Liberal-left" that are always screaming "seperation of Church and State?"

Personally I thought the speech, although a bit overdone and "sappy" at times (which is typical of most every politician), was overall a good speech with a good message. Frankly, I would have allowed my child to watch it. I believe the best way to arm yourself intellectually is to be informed.

But I still stand by my original statement in that politics should not be brought into the classroom--regardless of whether they're Democrat or Republican. Classtime should not have been disrupted, but instead parents should have been encouraged to have their children watch from home (in a re-aired broadcast) with their parent available to answer any questions...not a teacher, whose views and "spin" on things may totally conflict with those of the parent.

And again, the politics and personal agendas should have been kept out of the conversation and out of the classroom. When asked by a young student why the country doesn't have a universal health insurance, Obama replied "I think we need it. I think we can do it." The president said the country can afford to insure all Americans and that doing so will save money in the long run.

I disagree--strongly. We can't keep funding programs with no collateral to back them. I'm opposed to the proposed health plan for several reasons, and I don't want my "highly impressionable" child influenced by Obama's words, simply because the president "says so."

Why all the public outcry over this issue? Because Obama's speeches, and there are many, are unpredictable--they have revealed a man ready to apologize to nearly every enemy we have ever gone against. They have weakend us as a nation. Too many Americans feel they can't trust what the president will say, therein lies the paranoia.

But it's done now, so lets move on to the next "political agenda."

SOURCES:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources...

http://news.aol.com/article/president-ob...

-- Posted by shawna.jones on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 3:27 AM

I know I cringe when a liberal Democrat opens their mouths. However, this time it was a simple message to stay in school and find their niche in the world in order to be productive and it's their responsibility as Americans to do so. The Democrats didn't push their unwaivering agenda of murdering unborn children, turning their backs on God and religion, throwing our guns in the ocean and getting someone else to pay their way through life. I was quite impressed.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 11:09 AM

The message was fine...but what about the rest of the ongoing madness. The left is proudly in power and I'm curious when my brothers in arms are coming home from Affy. Healthcare crisis, health insurance crisis, healthcare crisis back and forth. I've not heard any effin plan on how to "win the peace" or "strategic advancement" or "benchmarks for the Affys to run their own...blah blah blah".

The left was so angry at Bush for being in a classroom when the towers were struck...but its ok for Obama.

Yes. I'm greatful to the President for being a good motivational speaker to our children. Now get back to work. I have friends who slept outdoors in an ugly climate rotating watch every two hrs. Threat Assessment Meetings my arse...What is your plan? Get on with the war with an intent to win or find us away home.

Funny how the news channels have stopped the daily death counts now that there is a new administration.

And get that amned chineese flag off of my whitehouse lawn.

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM

Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me big daddy rabbit, lets not forget the war. Limousine liberals can't bare the truth when their guy is on the job-close to 300 days now. Let's talk death counts to date. Guess Oprah and MTV left that little tidbit out when they stuck their nose into politics and our status quo listened.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 6:53 AM

Once again I will say if we will not allow GOD in our schools then why would we allow any president whether he be black, white, green or purple to speak to our children?

Agree 100%

when you let Billy Grahm or Franklin Grahm or any other speaker, speak on behave of the Lord Jesus Christ and come to the school via person or televised...and speak to the children many of whom do not know who Jesus is or what he has done for them...then I may could maybe re-consider my thinking on this President.....remember the enemy comes to kill~steal~ and destroy........becareful whom you come into agreement with....I do not agree with the views of this administration and the things they are voting for and standing for ~ and I will not allow my children to listen to him or someone who agrees with so many things that the Lord my God plainly states are wrong.... we have become to liberal in our schools already.

If Jesus is not welcome~ then no President should try to enter the door!

-- Posted by punkin1129 on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 12:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8GYWPpP-...

May God have mercy on America....

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 PM

If Jesus is not welcome~ then no President should try to enter the door!

-- Posted by punkin1129 on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 12:49 PM

Guess that should apply to teachers, faculty and staff of each respective school too, eh?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 10:22 PM


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