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Picturing the Past 30: Old Wartrace gym

Posted Tuesday, October 13, 2009, at 7:33 AM

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The old Wartrace gym in late 1971. (T-G file photo)
Here's a shot of a Bell Buckle at Wartrace boys basketball game dated Nov. 5, 1971.

Those were the days when James Cotham coached Bell Buckle and Hal Skelton led Wartrace. Unfortunately, you can't really see who the players are.

It was a real experience viewing a game in the Wartrace High gym, which still exists next to the old Wartrace School. This gym likely looked for many years earlier as it does here.

The old-style wood-frame gym was sort of like being in a barn, at least to me. Lights were somewhat dim and the fans sat in bleachers inset under a lowered wooden "ceiling," as clearly seen in the photo.

Consolidation was inevitable, but after Bell Buckle School burned around 1973 its students had to be moved to Wartrace. The combined school became known as Cascade while still in the Wartrace building, before the current high school building (then housing K-12) was completed in 1976.

Trivia question: What were the teams' nicknames? Also of note is that Wartrace High had a football program until the mid-to-late 1950s, according to T-G records. It's obvious that the field used for the Wartrace Horse Show was once a football field.

Several smaller schools had "elementary school" basketball programs (actually, roughly grades 5-8) as late as the mid-1970s. Flat Creek, Pleasant Grove and Wheel were around until Liberty School was built, and I covered games there for the T-G in their last year or so. Normandy had a school as well, but it seems like it may have been closed several years earlier.

I remember Pleasant Grove in particular as having a small set of bleachers and little room for fans.

All of those schools have been converted to private residences, with the Wheel school used as a tire store for many years.

Picturing the Past is featured each Tuesday in this blog. Reader photo contributions are welcome.


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Trivia question: What were the teams' nicknames?

Blue Devils & Blue Devilettes.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:11 AM

That's Bell Buckle. One school down, one to go.

Wartrace's were...

And if anyone can remember the Flat Creek, Pleasant Grove and Wheel elementary teams' names, you're ahead of me.

-- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:18 AM

Ah yes, I remember that old gym. I will never forget playing independant basketball for a team named the Ball Hawks and playing Wartrace one night in that gym in the early '60s. The reason I will never forget is that we got beat by a score of something like 133-30. Connell Frizell was unstopable for Wartrace.

Somewhere in the recesses of my mind the name "Panthers" for Wartrace keeps popping up, but I am not sure that is right. Blue Devils also seems to fit for Bell Buckle. I am sure that the other team names will be recalled by someone. I do remember that Pleasant Grove had a player nicknamed "Brer Rabbit" (James Richard Adcock).

That is another great picture David. Keep them coming.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:35 AM

I recall the old county school elementary tournament each year. Shelbyville Mills School teams nickname was Royals. It seems to me Pleasant Grove was Bombers. Normandy did have a team and seems like they played in the cafeteria and it was a tile floor. Flat Creek and Wheel teams I do not recall the nicknames. leeiii seems to me like the Panthers was Wartrace teams name. A lot of good players came out of the these schools.

-- Posted by redddj on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:07 AM

I recall that it was the Wartrace Panthers, but I may be wrong.

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:11 AM

"Milkshake,tummyache,ootchie gootchie goo.

We're for Flat Creek.

How about you?"

Why can I remember a fifty year old cheer but not the name of the school's team?

(But,with cheers like that,maybe they cherished their anonymity. ;> )

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:13 AM

Speaking of "playing in the cafeteria", does anyone remember that at the old Central High School on Elm St., before the "new" gym was built that the gym and the cafeteria shared the same space?

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:16 AM

The Wheel school was mentioned above about being a tire shop for several years. My husband Tim ran that tire shop himself until the owner Hugh Cannady closed it without notice.

Does anyone have a photo from the 1970's of the dime store that was near where Dancys is now on the square? I loved going downstairs to look and play with the toys as many children did.

-- Posted by AmericanWoman on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 11:29 AM

Was it Wheel that didn't have an indoor gym but had an excellent team...leeiii, "Brer Rabbit" Adcock was in my high school class and is still around although he lost his lovely wife Janice (Daughter of "Rat" Brantley) a couple of years ago...

-- Posted by FlaDon on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 11:52 AM

The old Wheel School was the Ramblers.

-- Posted by wahoo on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:04 PM

David, seeing as how I attended Bell Buckle, this discussion has kind of pushed my nostalgia button, got me to remembering some things I haven't thought of in probably 50 years or more. Nothing of earthquake proportions, just a few pieces of junk information that somehow escaped the broom of time.

First, let me say that we had a much nicer gym, well lighted, with adequate seating.

I must have a mental block on school nicknames, because other than Bell Buckle and Shelbyville I can't recall any others, at least not local schools. Back in the day, the Lebanon school was also the Blue Devils, for whatever that's worth.

Behind the gym was the unofficial "official" approved smoking area. It was understood that as long as a teacher or the principal didn't actually see someone with a cigarette in thier hand,"no harm no foul" was the rule, with the smell of smoke in the air or butts on the ground being overlooked, as they could have belonged to anyone.

The baseball field was also located behind the gym, near the railroad tracks.The ground in the outfield area, in particular from center to right, was not well drained at all, and as a result watercress would grow there, and the cooks would pick it and serve it in the cafeteria. Bet that wouldn't go over too well with the modern day mentality of "it must be inspected or it might make you sick".

leeiii,you mentioned a basketball game that still resides in your memory, my "unforgetable" was a baseball game at Flat Creek when I was in the seventh grade, I think. I usually played center field, but our coach, Harry Logue, said those boys had probably never seen a curve ball, but could knock the cover off a fast ball, which was all our pitcher had. He knew I had a roundhouse curve that was bigger than any of his high school pitchers, so I got elected, the only game I ever pitched.

Coach had them pegged right, I threw one "fast" ball, and it almost went over the left field fence, and one curve that I started over the plate "hung" and hit the center field fence on the first bounce. But they couldn't stay in the box against that sidearm curve ball, and spent the afternoon bailing or breaking thier backs.

We played seven innings, I struck out 15, at one stretch eight in a row, and thanks to some sterling(?) fielding behind me,we managed to hang on and win 8 to 7.

Moving ahead a couple of years, a friend came up with the idea of selling a little candy at school to pick up a little pocket money. I guess he got tired of fooling with it or something, anyway he decided to quit, and asked me if I wanted to pick it up. I said sure, I can use the money.He had only been selling 2-3 boxes a week out of his locker between classes, so had not attracted any attention to himself. Within a month of assuming the "business" I had obtained the support of three friends who would sell at different times between classes, and was "moving" 8 to 10 boxes of candy daily. Needless to say, I almost put the cafeteria out of business, and it was this greed on my part that led to an all out effort to identify the culprit. One of my agents was caught in the gym selling, and was assumed to be the responsible party. He didn't rat me out, and they told him to stop selling candy on school property, and they would let him off that time. So, that ended that venture.

And as I leave I wonder if anyone remembers a singing group from Bell Buckle named The Tri-Tones, an all girl trio?

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:06 PM

The Tri-Tones made some mighty fine music for several years...Marcia Manley, Emily Gilmore and Sandra Cathey--even were invited to New York to sing on one of the Sunday nite variety/talent shows. Emily recently commented about how excited they all were when Chief James Elkins came to the Nashville airport to haul 'em back on Bell Buckle's then-new fire truck...another of those things that could never happen today!!

BTW, confirming that Wartrace was the "Panthers". Played quite a few times in that old gym...as a Blue Devil!!

-- Posted by dkd57 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:22 PM

dkd57,that New York invite got by me, or maybe my rusty old brain just forgot. Anyway, I'm always glad to hear any good news from the Bell Buckle area, old or new.

And that fire truck episode brings a smile to my face. A classic example of "small town friendliness" that you won't find in the big cities.

By the way, do you know if The Tri-Tones ever recorded any of thier music?

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:54 PM

David,

Another great picture that brings back alot of memories. I played basketball for Flat Creek from about 1974 through the final year the school was open, 1976-77 season. If you have any pictures from that time, I would love to see them. By the way, it was the Flat Creek Cagers and Wheel Blue Devils. I don't remember Pleasant Grove's nickname. We also played on a tile floor with no bleachers.......had folding chairs.

Keep up the good work David!

-- Posted by rb720 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:16 PM

ilikeoldsongs, not sure whether the Tri-Tones made any records...I'll see what I can find out. The NY performance was on the Arthur Godfrey talent show...around 1960, if memory serves me correctly.

-- Posted by dkd57 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:34 PM

redddj, Shelbyville Mills was another one of those cracker box gyms. Yes, there were a lot of good players that came out of all those schools.

marnold1118, yes I remember that old gym. If you were in the balcony, you were really close to the action on the floor. I have a scan of a picture made in that gym.

American Woman, the dime store that I remember having a downstairs was Coherns, and yes I too am guilty of playing with the toys down there.

FlaDon, Yes, I remember reading in the T-G when Janice died.

ilikeoldsongs, Yes, I remember the Tri-Tones.

By the way, while we are talking about the old Elementary and High School gyms. Does anyone remember the old cracker box of a gym at the Shelbyville Junior High School on Bryant Street? All of the seats (what few there were) were on one side of the gym. On the other side if you were out of bounds, you were into the wall

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:56 PM

I was one of 300 or more in 1954 when we were freshmen and also Central Ele. was added to CHS. There were not enough class rooms and like you say the gym was used for lunch room and gym. I also remember a pro skating team put on a show and also there was some pro wrestling matches. We never knew if we would go back to the same room,it was a mess, and I loved ever minute of it. Thanks David

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 5:30 PM

Here you go:

CITY WATER CITY WATER CITY GAS......

COME ON BLUE DEVILS KISS OUR...

ELLLLLLL..... BOW

OR EVEN

PORK CHOP PORK CHOP GREASY GREASY...

WERE GONNA BEAT THE PANTHERS EASY EASY

Shelbyville Mills Royals at their best.

-- Posted by abner_t on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM

Wilderness 68, We were in the same class because I too was a Freshman in 1954. Out of that class of 300 there were only about 110 left by my Senior year. I am proud to say that I was in the top 110 of my graduating class.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 6:40 PM

The cafeteria was in the basement of the old Central High School originally before it was moved upstairs to the gym. We had Jr-Sr prom in the gym in 1950 and 1951.

Luckylu

-- Posted by luckylu on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 6:44 PM

luckylu, That is interesting, and something that I either did not know, or had forgotten. Where was the cafeteria in relation to the woodworking shop? Is it possible that it was back toward Elm Street from the shop? It seems to me that I can remember going to that location for juice and sometimes we could get a sandwich before lunch. I think that they were either a nickel or a dime.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 7:11 PM

OK....leeiii....please straighten me out. I know that James Richard Adcock was at CHS when you and I were....but in one of your postings you mentioned that he played for Pleasant Grove. What happened?....and I was surprised to hear that he was married to Janice (my North Main neighbor). You might have been too young to remember James Richard's good lookin' older sister..also at CHS.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 7:20 PM

steadyeddie, Yes, I remember Mary Jane. He also had a younger sister named Bonnie Mae. They first lived on Lewisburg Highway next door down from Winston Wiser. That may have been when he started going to Pleasant Grove. Later they moved to Sims Road. I am guessing that it was the way the school districts were divided for bus routes, but I am thinking that he continued at Pleasant Grove until high school.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 7:44 PM

leeiii, I remember the old CHS cafeteria as South (toward Elm St.) from the "Shop"...I believe there was an exit to the east between them...Are you serious about the low graduation rate of your class???

-- Posted by FlaDon on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:36 PM

FlaDon, yes, but I am not sure of the exact number. It was right around 110. It could have been one or two more or one or two less.

After luckylu brought it up it seems that I am having my memory stirred a little bit. Bits and pieces are coming to me like for instance it seems to me that I can remember a table somewhere around the foot of the stairway in the middle of the building where money was taken up. It could have been for lunch, but I am not sure.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:01 PM

okay, steadyeddie,--I lived upstairs at 727 N. Main. Were you my next door neighbor? Across the street were the Brantley, Huffman, and Crenshaw families. I have wonderful memories of growing up on North Main. Does anyone remember when a golden eagle was kept in a cage on the Central High School grounds? I spent many hours watching that bird!

-- Posted by dianainnc on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 PM

FlaDon:

I don't recall the cafeteria before it was moved to the gym, where it was during my time there--'57-'60. I do remember the band room was in the basement and back in the northwest corner. It's funny how memories about mostly insignificant things emerge with a little prompting. I just thought about how the CHS principal, C.O. Jett would roam the halls between classes and collect enough yo-yo's and water pistols to stock a five and dime store.

Then there were the occasional days when we could pay a quarter and see a black & white movie. I remember a few war movies and one on the career of Ben Hogan.

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 11:38 PM

dianainnc....we were within hollering distance. I was across the street, about three houses north of the Brantleys at 752. And of course, I remember the golden eagle. We were proud of that bird!

Most of you remember that basement quite well..the band room on the back end....the shop...the side exit....and the little cafeteria. Our money table was right inside the cafeteria door where I sat and collected a quarter from everybody who wanted a plate lunch (no individual selections)....or a dime for a spiced ham sandwich. The only beverage was milk. Mrs. Mills ran the cafeteria...and counted all my quarters very carefully.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 12:25 AM

If my memory serves me correctly that Golden Eagle (actually brown) was captured on the Farrar farm in Flat Creek. Stone Wiseman and the shop class built a cage for it as I remember. After the end of the eagles life I can remember being told that it was on display at the Smithsonian for a period of time.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:20 AM

CORRECTION! I just now looked in the '57 Aquila and the text reads like this:

We would like for you to meet our school mascot. The Golden Eagle, who now has the distinction of residing in the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, D. C. The eagle was captured in the Pleasant Grove Community on January 23, 1951, and at the CHS-McMinnville basketball game that year it was presented to our school for a mascot. Coach Martin and his boys built a cage for our eagle and he was present at all home basketball and football games until he was taken to the Smithsonian Institute to be on exhibit. This eagle is very large, as many of us remember, and has a wing spread of seven feet. We are very proud of our eagle and the fact that we are one of the few schools which boast a live mascot.

Sorry about that. My facts got tangled in my cobwebs.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:43 AM

leeiii, thanks for the golden eagle information. Now if David could just come up with a picture of the Goat man and all his goats who traveled all over the south! What a sight!

-- Posted by dianainnc on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:51 AM

dianainnc....yeah, you're right!...What happened to the goat man? I can remember him passing our houses on North Main. Hope somebody has a picture of that sight. David might find him in the T-G archives.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:15 AM

I have a feeling that there are pictures of the goat man in the T-G file photos somewhere. It seems to me that I have also seen video footage of the goat man so it is possible that one of the Nashville TV stations has file footage as well.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:27 AM

I also saw the Goat Man in the early 70's outside of Birmingham, Ala. I was thrilled to be able to show my husband that he actually existed. We were returning to Montgomery after the Celebration in Shelbyville. Then again years later, I saw a newspaper article about him. Just now the name McCartney popped into my head, so I did a Google search and his name is Charles McCartney! There's lots of information available, which I will read later in the day. I realize this is a long way from county high school gyms -- thanks for bearing with us!

-- Posted by dianainnc on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:43 AM

And while David is looking for the goat man pictures, he can keep an eye out for the dog that rode on top of a car for several years, around town.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:45 AM

I have pictures of The Goat Man in my home computer in Florida...I am leaving Crossville, TN tomorrow and will email them to David when I get there...

-- Posted by FlaDon on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM

Thanks, FlaDon!

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:22 AM

dianainnc, Thanks for the link to Charles McCartney. That is interesting. I do not ever remember hearing his name before.

ilikeoldsongs, The dog was portrayed in the movie "Our Very Own" as Charlie, the wonder dog I think. It will be interesting to see all of the different remembrances of him and his owner. In my memory I seem to remember him as Rufus, and his African American owner driving a pale green Chrysler product car.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:23 AM

Sometime before I left Shelbyville in 1976, I took photos of Charlie and we ran a feature in the T-G. Using a play on words, we used the headline, "Charlie the Car Cur". If I recall correctly, there was a photo of his jumping up on the hood of the car and then to the roof, him standing on the roof of the car as it cruised around the square, and one of him lying on the roof. I'll have to dig through my clippings and find the date.

That also reminds me of the photo I took of Dade Chunn and his rooster that always rode on Chunn's shoulder. That photo was picked up by the Associated Press and we received notes and clippings from most states and several foreign countries from former Shelbyville residents who saw it. I think it was even in a magazine or two.

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:03 PM

Wow!...This is real journalism! This Charlie on the car stuff is all new to me. This HAD to be after 1954...or I would have a picture of Charlie. I hope that someday David can post pictures of both the goat man and Charlie. Can someone tell me where/how to get a copy of "Our Very Own". Is it available at any S'ville outlets?

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:58 PM

steadyeddie, I think that I got my copy of the DVD from amazon.com if I am not mistaken.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:14 PM

Now this picture really blew the dust of the ole trunk full of memories! I actually played for the Bell Buckle Blue Devils around that time. (Truthfully, I actually did a lot of bench warming) Now if my memory serves me correctly, Mike Gilmore and his brother Jeff both played for the team, along with Mark Wiser, Dan Wiser, Keith Hatchett, Dean Buckingham and John Helton. John's sister Barbara played for the girls team. James Cotham retained his coaching duties when Cascade was formed and Hal Skelton became the assistant principal to Marvin Whitaker. A teacher that stands out in my memories was Estell Smith, our science teacher. I also believe that one of our local police officers, Mike Davis was a junior or senior that year and he could really play a mean set of drums. The "smoking" area was behind the old Bell Buckle school by the stairwell and I believe that it was okay to smoke as long as you were at least fifteen and had a note from your parents.

Thanks for the memories!

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:40 PM

steadyeddie, there are a "blue million" of those DVD movies on eBay...and they are cheap.

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 8:40 AM

Hi, leeiii,

Did you go to the 50th Anniv? It was very nice. It was at the country club. Sam Kennedy was there, he has been in Las Vagas for the last 40 years. He and I were in Mrs Hudson's room in 7th grade. Worst year I ever had. They made our pictures, I had rather they had been closer to us. I had to keep the TG to know who some of them were. Hope I seen you. Thanks for the memeories

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 10:19 AM

Wilderness 68, Yes, I was there. I had to use my wheelchair to make it easier to get around. Sam gave all of us quite a scare. Patsy is keeping me up on the health of our classmates. Several are battling afflictions of one sort or another.

Ah yes, Mrs. Hudson's seventh grade class. That was a bad year for me as well.

Wilderness 68, One thing that might be throwing you off on identifying me is that in the seventh grade I was a year ahead of you, but by the time I failed my Freshman year I was with the class of '58. I will have to go back and look at the picture we made the night of our reunion and see if I can figure out who you are.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 10:35 AM

leeiii....when you say you were in Mrs. Hutson's class, are you talking about the old Junior High next to Madison Street. That's where I was in Mrs. Hutson's 7th grade class....and Mrs. Clark's 8th grade......Yep, Mrs. Hutson was rather tough in the classroom. (I'm still trying to memorize the Gettysburg Address.)

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:40 PM

Triva question....In the 1971 photo made in the Wartrace gym I notice the players are wearing the short shorts which had been worn for the previous 75 years......When did basketball players begin wearing today's long,long shorts that often hang below the knees??...Was this a gradual trend, or was this changeover done by all teams everywhere on one particular date? It now seems to be the practice of ALL teams...male and female....pro and amateur.....just curious???

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM

steadyeddie, Yep, that is the one. I was in Mrs. Clark's 8th grade class as well. That is the only year in my remembrance that I was the teacher's pet. I think that because we were neighbors when we lived on East Lane. She let me get by with everything that year. It sure made a difference from the year before when I was in Mrs. Hutson's class.

I would be afraid to venture a guess on the long shorts. Maybe in the late '70s or early '80s. When the trend did start I think it was gradual.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 4:49 PM

Hi leeiii,

I'm so sorry about the wheelchair, but I do remember seeing you talking to some classmates. I don't remember if I got to speak to you or not. David is doing a great job and I have enjoyed trying to figure out who everyone is. Best of luck and I will talk to you again soon.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 5:56 PM

leeiii....since you were a neighbor of Mrs. Clark I wondered if you knew her son, Jim (I think), who married my next door neighbor Rose Marie Harrison? I never knew where Jim and Ro-Ro wound up. They were two GOOD families.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 9:39 PM

leeiii....since you were a neighbor of Mrs. Clark I wondered if you knew her son, Jim (I think), who married my next door neighbor Rose Marie Harrison? I never knew where Jim and Ro-Ro wound up. They were two GOOD families.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 9:40 PM

Ooops...sorry 'bout that, leeiii....

Sometimes when you get old you repeat yourself..HA.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 9:44 PM

steadyeddie, Yes, I knew Jim. The last account I had of him was many years ago. He was working with Shields Rambo at that time.

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 6:51 AM

Wilderness 68, This morning I have been going through my Aquila's and looking at the 50 reunion picture to see if I can figure out who you are. I would like to ask you a few questions to see if that will be helpful in determining your identity.

Did you go on the Senior Trip to Washington? If you did, were you kneeling almost in front of Mr. Bracey in the group photo? Did you live on North Main? Were you in the Serenaders? Was your Father in the education field? That should be all for now. If the answer is yes to all of the above then I know who you are.

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 9:08 AM

Hi leeiii,

I went on the Washington trip and got home sick. The other answers are no. I don't want to be anonymous. ha ha.. I have seen you at different places and I knew your wife and children. Guess whooo.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:00 PM

Wilderness 68, Okay, I can rule my first guess out. It helps me to know that you were at the 50th reunion, and you also made the trip to Washington. Now for my second guess. In our group photo made in Washington were you between Barney and Walter? Also did you have two older brothers in the National Guard as well as a younger one? If the answers are no to these I will study up for my next guess.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 2:19 PM

Hi leeiii,

All answers are no. I am an only child. I have three children,5 grandchildren and 1 great-granddaughter. Do you ever wonder how we get our usernames? I will try to think up some hard clues for you. See you on the flip flop. (I know who you are.)I love this column.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 5:46 PM

I will give it some more thought and get back to you soon with another question or two.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 5:51 PM

what about coach kenny parker and bob scruggs wrestling in the late 90's

-- Posted by fabulous1 on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 9:42 AM

Wilderness 68, Okay, let me see if I can greatly reduce the number of people I am searching through. I have pretty well exhausted all of the boys by trying to recall who I talked with the night of the reunion. Hopefully I have not missed anyone. My question is: Are you possibly a female?

-- Posted by leeiii on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 10:28 AM

Hi leeiii,

Yes. You are really getting close now. I was with 3 other people at the reunion. Guess whoooo.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 1:29 PM

Wilderness 68, Going on the clues in your posts I have two more questions for you. You mentioned that you got homesick in Washington. Were you in the group picture? You also mentioned that you knew my wife and children. So, my second question is were you a school teacher?

-- Posted by leeiii on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 7:56 PM

Hi leeiii,

I was in the group picture. I remember You at school, but I met your wife and children at church. Are you still in the ministry? Do your children live in Shelbyville? I remember Yolanda as a very pretty dark haired young lady. Keep on guessing, you are getting very close. Yours till Jesus comes.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 6:09 PM

Wilderness 68, Okay, let me answer your questions first. I will be a Minister of the Gospel for life, but I am no longer able to serve in the full-time Ministry because of disability, and I have also retired from full-time service. Eddie lives about 20 miles North of us in Norris. Yolanda lives on the property directly behind us. Her property joins our property. Donna lives in Homosassa, Florida.

In looking at the reunion photo I have tried to narrow my choices by trying to select the people that I am not sure if I had an opportunity to speak with or not. I think that now I am ready to venture a guess, and if that one does not work out I have another guess in the wings.

In the Washington group photo is it possible that you were sitting on the grass between Barbara Ruth and Mary Lee, and almost in front of Billy.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 8:18 AM

Hi leeiii,

Missed again, ha ha , there are not many choices left. This really fun for me. I wouldn't have known you if it hadn't been for the wheelchair.

My ambition was to be a missionary, or a hair dresser. When I couldn't do hair anymore I felt half my life had ended, but I realize now that the Lord had more to do for him than me. I have taught V B S for years and loved every minute of it I have taught Sunday School for 40+ years. I have no regrets about the Lord's work and hope to do lots more if he will allow me. I make get well cards for the nursing homes and I hear such pleasure notes they get from them. Gotta' go see you on the flip flop.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 6:55 PM

Wilderness 68, Okay, let me quickly put another guess in. Is it possible that you were sitting on the grass between Dorothy and Annette and in front of Donald and Eugene.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 7:09 PM

leeiii,

wrong again....I was between two girls, sitting on ground on left. I don't think we had the same friends, but we were all good classmates.

See you on the flip flop.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 7:48 PM

Wilderness 68, Gotcha now! You were sitting between Lillian and Virginia. I was using several different things to get my names from. One of them was the list that Doodle posted on the web site of the people who would be in attendance. At the bottom of the list were names of people who had registered but would not be attending. Your name was on that list. I had not given up identifing you, but I was getting close to asking you for another clue.

Wilderness 68, You have added a tremendous amount of information to the blog on Picturing the Past. I always look forward to what you have to say, and I have been able to either glean or confirm a lot from your posts.

One other thing. Would you please tell me where you were in the group picture at the reunion.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 8:38 PM

Hi leeiii,

I enjoy this column so much. I was between, M. E. L. and B.M.H. I am A.J.G.G. not much doubt now. I got married my Jr. year and finished it and graduated in 58. Busy life I have had, I have slowed down almost stopped. Now You know who I am and I'm so glad to hear from your family. My Million dollar baby was my husband LDG without the million. He worked at the dime store after school. See you on the flip flop.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 6:17 PM

Wilderness 68, Well it looks like I missed again. Now I think the thing that was throwing me off is that I was sure I had talked with you at the reunion. I was thinking that I had asked about your husband who I knew, and also I thought that I had asked about your Father-in-Law who I had worked with on several jobs before.

Like you, I am enjoying this column also. David has done a good thing to get our memories in action again. I have also enjoyed this guessing game with you.

Please keep it up with the comments about how it used to be. You have been a gold mine of information.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 6:51 PM

leeiii and Wilderness68, I was trying not to interfere while you were identifying each other, but I was wondering what you meant by saying "Sam Kennedy gave you scare" at the reunion. Sam and I were friends for years and I haven't seen him since Bill Kingree's funeral. I took it you meant

healthwise?

-- Posted by katydid on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 9:42 PM

katydid, Yes, at the present time Sam is battling Cancer. He is presently going through treatment. The people he works for at the Bellagio have been good to him to give him a flexible work schedule. At this stage he seems to be doing pretty well.

However, at the reunion it was a different matter. He had a fainting spell that was probably brought on by some kind of an imbalance. Until we knew he was going to be okay I think everyone was very concerned. We are not Spring chickens anymore.

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 6:50 AM

leeiii,

Thanks for the info on Sam.

Ditto on the "spring chickens". We're having our 50th year coming up in 2010.

-- Posted by katydid on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM

katydid, I will have to dig out my yearbooks and see if I can identify you in the pictures.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 7:59 AM

leeiii and Wilderness68,

Did you ever have to take one of Mrs.Hudson's "duck walks" down the halls? Or get hit with whatever she had in her hands if you missed your "action verb", then she would ask who

received the action.

She was a very strict and smart lady,but would probably be put under the jail if she did that today.

-- Posted by katydid on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM

katydid, LOL, you have brought back a lot of memories. She must have felt sorry for me enough to promote me to the 8th grade.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 6:11 PM

Hi leeii,

I am so sorry , I didn't think I made mistakes, but I did. you said reunion picture and my mind said washington picture. I am in back of M.A.B.R.& P.G.H. on left blue top. I wouldn't have made that error 50 years ago (maybe). See you on the flip flop.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 8:27 AM

Wilderness 68, Yes, I had picked you out through the process of elimination. Now there are only two that I am having a problem with. Who is the lady standing between Becky and Anne? Who is the lady standing between Sarah and Alice? I think that she may have been with you because I have a picture of you, her, and Barbara w/her husband at a table.

-- Posted by leeiii on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 9:11 AM

Hi leeiii,

The lady between Sarah and Alice I think is Barbra June Gray, I think between Becky & Anne is Dorothy Ledford Smith. (The little face)I kept the paper when it came out so I would remember who every one was. I will have to look it up if thats not right. I came that night with Becky C. Virgina Cook, and Alice in her brand new 4 door truck, we were in tall cotton. I hope I'm right and if not we'll look some more. Katydid, I did some duck walking. I loved the art every week, but that was all.See you on the flip flop.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 11:00 PM

WoW!!! I was four Y/O when that picture was taken. Yes, I remember the Wartrace gym. They were the Panthers. I could name names of who all could have been in that picture but nahhh! LoL.

-- Posted by Cornelia.Marie on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 1:05 PM

David

Thanks so much for the wonderful old pictures and memories of Shelbyville. My family lived there from 1959-1976, and then Mom & Dad returned after they retired in 1996 and lived there until their deaths (Dad in '05, Mom last fall). We still have many wonderful friends and memories there - like the Square, the Horse Show, the Princess & Capri Theater (I was one of the lucky kids who got out of school to experience the new "rocking chairs" and the Sound of Music in the "new" theater), David Hastings' shoe store, the old Court House (where Dad worked for nearly 20 years)the Record Shop (like many prospective "Beatles", I took guitar lessons there - still can't play a note), Pope's Cafe (one of the first air conditioned places I remember - had a little sign on the door that said "Come In...it's Kool Inside"...a cigarette ad for an air conditioned store), and on and on.

But a couple of recent pictures really made me chuckle. The first was this old picture of the Wartrace Gym. I played basketball for Shelbyville from about 1970-1973, and remember playing in this old gym before they divided the high schools into different classes, I believe in the '72-73 season. Anyway, I dived out of bounds to save a loose ball and when I tossed it in my momentum carried me out the door and into the parking lot. That was a strange sensation. We got the ball (and won the game) but Coach Mike Bone gave me a hard time about "leaving the gym" during the game.

The other picture that brought back memories was the refurbished Central (now Harris) gym. What a great home court advantage that place was with the big crowds and the balcony rail that extended almost out on the court (good for at least one trap/turnover a game). Coach Bone used to have us help finish the floor. He would paint it himself, and we would apply the wax using towels on our hands & knees. Guess that was one reason we truly believed in defending our home court. And it seemed to work. Even with no one over 6'5" on the team, we were something like 66-27 over those three years.

Thanks again for the wonderful memories.

And my very best wishes to you and to all of the great folks there in Shelbyville.

Randy

-- Posted by rjrich on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:16 PM

katydid, I have looked through my high school yearbooks and I would like to make an initial guess as to who you are. I am going to guess that you are on page 39, second row down, and second person from the left in the yearbook of your Sophmore year.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, at 9:31 AM


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