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Picturing the Past 34: Simon Warner's cafe

Posted Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at 10:19 AM

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A crowd fills the Country Kitchen/City Cafe during its "Big Opening" 57 years ago today. (T-G file photo)
One thing hasn't changed over the years: People like to eat.

Here are two photos from what's listed on the negatives' envelope as the "Country Kitchen/City Cafe - Simon Warner" from Nov. 10, 1952 -- exactly (this was unplanned!) 57 years ago today. This was a "commercial order" photographed for the cafe owner and not published in the newspaper. So we don't have names, or any idea where this was located.

A temporary sign painted on the front window reads "Big Opening."

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But look at this photo of the cafe's staff. Is the man on the left Warner? Look very closely at the photo of the cafe customers and you'll see the same man (directly in front of the waitress) holding out a box offering a cigar to a customer.

An advertising sign at the top of this photo mentions Red Rose Ice Cream. Anyone remember it?

Chero-Cola's comeback: Since the old Parks-Belk building was demolished a very old advertisement for Chero-Cola has been visible on the side of the Pope's Cafe building on the east side of the Shelbyville square.

Now remodeling on the square in Winchester has exposed an old sign for "Chero-Cola Bottling Co.", according to the Nov. 3 edition of The Herald-Chronicle of Winchester.

A historian quoted Winchester newspaper files indicating the Chero-Cola plant there opened in February 1917, managed by H.F. Blue of Shelbyville. The name had been changed from Blue Seal Bottling Works, the newspaper said.

That may provide a clue to the age of the Chero-Cola sign in Shelbyville.

Picturing the Past is featured each Tuesday in this blog. Readers' contributions are welcome.


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Yes,I am Doris's oldest daughter. Sorry I haven't been on here in a while,kind of got sidetracked.

-- Posted by dreyfus on Mon, Jan 27, 2014, at 3:45 PM

Warinner was the German name and part of the family kept that spelling and the rest changed the spelling to Warner when coming to America. This is what my father (Simon's son, R.B.) told me. He always told me that Aunt Bessie and Simon were brother and sister. I never heard anything about them only being half brother and sister.

-- Posted by lftd on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 2:04 AM

DianaTn. I was wondering if you live in Diana now. My mother's side is from Diana. Love the Diana Singing...This would be a Holley / Sanders Marriage. Also have a lot of info on those sides and more. Thanking you in advance.

-- Posted by Toe-Key-Me on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 6:25 PM

Hello, this is part of my family tree. Aunt Nannie Mae did have a daughter named Novella and more kids, would love to compare notes with anyone on the Warner / Warinner and the Jones. Ma Jones as we called her had palsy which is now Parkinson's. my email is hdryder2004@gmail.com. I have quite a bit on this family.

-- Posted by Toe-Key-Me on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 6:09 PM

(Hello Dorothy, I'm guessing you are aunt Doris's daughter, and Tammy) I am Simon's granddaughter also. I am R.B.'s daughter. I remember going to Aunt Bessie's house on Bethany Lane and, as I remember, son, Clyde Jones lived on opposite side of street. Daughter Nannie Mae Blessing did live next door. Yes, "playing cards (not "Tarot" cards) and cats". I remember a place my father said was "Daddy Warner's" Fruit Stand, (that I remember only being in one time) and it looked kinda like a store to me. I thought it was next to railroad track next to where the Chamber of Commerce building is now. I may be wrong about the location, but maybe there was a street that came off the square near this. And yes, that is Ruby in the picture next to Simon Warner.

-- Posted by lftd on Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 2:51 PM

I remember Grannie Jones very well. Dad used to take us by to visit her in the small house on Bethany. It seems like our cousins lived in the house next door. I know that there were some girls living there and Dad said that they were our cousins or 2ns cousins. I dont know why, but the name Vanilla sticks with me. I do remember the cats, dolls on the wall (still in plastic)and the old wood burning stove. My Dad passed on the 14th of this month, his name is James, son of Clyde (Goodbuddy and Annie) Both or passed. My mother is Mary Ruth Bass. I have returned to Shelbyville and hope to retire here. If anyone has more information on this family I would love to share. 615-478-6310 or jones.randall@yahoo.com

Thanks for reading

-- Posted by jonesrandall on Fri, Oct 25, 2013, at 12:26 PM

I don't know if that lady is "skillet" or not and if it was and you were her customer, you didn't get to leave before you were invited for some PIIIIE!.She was a very good waitress,and a sweet little woman

-- Posted by the hand on Wed, Jul 31, 2013, at 2:24 AM

I became interested in the Simon Warner family as I am his granddaughter.I remember aunt Bessie Jones ,where she lived and that she read cards,but that was about all. She was my mother's aunt.I talked with Tommy Reed one day, and he told me some stories that he remembered.That was very good of him to share. If you remember stories and would like to share them with me, my email is dreyfus161@bellsouth.net I would love to hear them. Dorothy

-- Posted by dreyfus on Sat, Jul 20, 2013, at 3:30 PM

I am so excited about finding this article, I am one of great grandchildren of Granny Jones. I can remember my mother talking about her reading cards all the time. My mother also told a story of being burned and granny blew the fire away and the pain stopped and she has no scare.

-- Posted by planders on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 1:11 PM

Nichole, Thank you for your help.I have spoken to your dad and have set a meeting time. I am looking forward to meeting him.

-- Posted by dreyfus on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 7:50 AM

Curiosity.. Was the short lady in the picture called "Skillet"? I think she worked at the Rebel Maid in the 50's.....Great article.

Gets everyone "remembering when.." It is great!

-- Posted by caligal on Wed, Apr 24, 2013, at 2:42 PM

It's hit or miss calling him. He is also retired. : ) Just leave him a message if you dont get him. Tell him Nicole talked with you about SW. : )

-- Posted by nlburgeson1980 on Wed, Apr 24, 2013, at 12:55 PM

When would be a good time to call

him? I am retired and pretty flexible.I would also be interested in meeting both of you.

-- Posted by dreyfus on Thu, Apr 18, 2013, at 6:49 PM

My Daddy slept on that couch with the bullet holes....

-- Posted by nlburgeson1980 on Tue, Apr 16, 2013, at 5:06 AM

My father is the nephew of Ruby and Simon. Simon Warners widow Ruby was a very special lady to me. My father has told me the stories of Simon and his death since I was a child. He has even shown interest in writing a book about him. My father is a longtime resident of Bedford county and is always up for a discussion especially on his Uncle Simon. My fathers name is Tommy Reed he can be contacted at 931-684-7572.

-- Posted by nlburgeson1980 on Tue, Apr 16, 2013, at 5:04 AM

Tammy, I would like to talk with you. I too am Simon Warner's grandaughter. I have been trying to get in touch with you via your email,but as of yet have had no response. My email is dreyfus161@bellsouth.net please contact me ,thank you, your cousin

-- Posted by dreyfus on Mon, Apr 8, 2013, at 8:33 PM

Oh and just for the record, Simon was murdered in 1957. My father was 14 years old and he was born in 1942, He watched his father murdered and my cousin slept on the couch with 7 bullet holes for several years before my grandma Ruby replaced it.

Tammy Warner

-- Posted by sammy9136 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 8:43 AM

Hello Everyone,

My name is Tammy Warner and Simon and Ruby Warner were my grandparents, my father was Simon Warner Jr. Ruby began as Frazire and ended as Drysdale. Bessie Jones was Simon's half sister and I remember going to see her very often, she also told fortunes but was not as good at it as Simon. My father also claimed to have the gift but didn't want people to know as they annoyed my mother. I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end but want to keep this short. I have also considered the book idea but wouldn't know where to start. The woman you were speaking of at the airport was most likely my great aunt Ruth Reed who was Ruby's sister. If anyone would like any more info I will help as much as I can my email address is sammy9136@yahoo.com Also the man that shot my grandfather was named Moes Martin or Melson, he was a black man who thought Simon put a vodoo curse on him because he told him he had a stomach problem that later turned out to be colon cancer or something of that nature. Thanks for listening.

Tammy L. Warner

-- Posted by sammy9136 on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 9:28 AM

The Cafe across from the Milk Plant was once owned by the Locke Brothers.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 10:16 PM

I am so glad to find this post. I am a decendant. All I remember is my Dad and Aunt talking about Aunt Bessie Jones and Simon Warner. When I was little I was told I fell on a floor heater and got burned very bad so my Grandmother and Aunt had my mother take me to Aunt Bessie and she blew the fire out. My Mother said I stopped crying and I never scared. I have often wanted to write a book about Aunt Bessie and Simon but could not find anything on them until now. I am happy to come across this article!

-- Posted by seraphimsings on Wed, Oct 12, 2011, at 10:34 PM

So you are Harold's Grand daughter?

I am Sallie's Grand Daughter. Sallie and Harold were brother and sister along with Nettie, Irene, George, Shelburn.

I guess that would make us second cousins?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, at 12:55 AM

Dianatn... we are related! My great grandparents were Ed and Cora Warner. My grandfarther (their son) was Harrell Warinner.

-- Posted by countrystoregirl on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, at 4:40 PM

Hi everybody,

I knew Granny Jones. I don't know who she married,but she told futures with playing cards and lived on Dover St. next to Willow Mount. She had 4 childern. Clyde married Annie------and had 3 childern, Easter married -----Roddy and had 1 son, Sue married----Simpson, and Nannie Mae married Ed Blessing and had 7 children. They build a new house on Bethany Ln. and Granny Jones moved in their old house next door. My cousin married one of the Blessing girls and we talked a lot about her family. I can't remember it been a long time ,but I'm usually wrong,but I thought Granny and Simon were brother and sister. I will try to find out more.

-- Posted by Wilderness 68 on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, at 9:58 PM

in my youth we always referred to Burt Street as "Standpipe hill".

-- Posted by leeiii on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 2:28 PM

Yep.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 7:14 PM

Tattoos & Scars and David, I know that the general area where the standpipe stood would be considered "Standpipe hill" such as Germantown Road as well as Fairoak, but in my youth we always referred to Burt Street as "Standpipe hill".

-- Posted by leeiii on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 2:28 PM

...Unless you slid in front of a car on busy Belmont Avenue. Did you sled down Fairoak Street on the other side of Standpipe Hill?

-- Posted by David Melson on Sat, Nov 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM

Germantowan road runs straight uphill from Belmont Avenue to Cates St. As an adolescent, the are was referred to as standpipe hill and the sledding there was second to none!

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sat, Nov 14, 2009, at 1:00 AM

Dianatn The area around east and west lane was known as Bakertown not Germantown.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 2:52 PM

ok

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 2:58 PM

Dianatn The area around east and west lane was known as Bakertown not Germantown.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 2:52 PM

WHEN I WAS A KID BEING AN ONLY CHILD AND ACTUALLY NEVER GETTING TREATED LIKE A CHILD THE INFORMATION YOU HEAR STICKS WITH YOU .THAT I GUESS CAN BE GOOD AND BAD BUT MY MOMMA KNEW A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IVE HEARD A LOT OF STORIES BUT SOME I CAN ONLY REMEMBER PARTS OF BUT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE DROPS OPNE OF THEIR MEMORIES IT SOMETIMES BRINGS BACK THINGS TO MY MIND THAT I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT

-- Posted by nanax5 on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 12:21 PM

nanax5, You are right, Clyde was his name and Goodbuddy was his nickname. I have to admit I had completely forgot about his nickname until I saw it on the screen.

Thanks to you and Dianatn for your information, and Dianatn, as far as confusing me, I stay so confused that I've had to give up talking to myself, because it starts too many arguments.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:45 AM

Not that I know of Cookie Grandma Warner was only married into the Warner Family as far as I know she never told fortunes.

Bessie may have told fortunes at Cora's at one time I don't know. I do not remember Bessie except from people talking about her.

I barely remember my Grandma Warner and Ed was dead before I was born so I don't remember him either..but they were my great grand parents.

Their daugther Sally was my grand mother I think at one time she did the card readings..I don't know if she ever did it much but I do know for a fact she had some healing powers. When my daughter was little she use to get seed warts on her knees and we took her to many doctors to have them removed and they just kept coming back. Granny told my daughter to go out into the yard and pick up a rock and bring it to her... my daughter did that and Granny rubbed the warts with the rock and said some words and then told my daughter to toss the rock into the yard..so she walked out onto the porch and tossed the rock as far as she could. Granny said the warts would be gone by morning and who ever finds the rocks will have her warts. The warts were gone the next mornng never to return. And that story I know for a fact to be true I was there I saw it.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:31 AM

I THINK GRANNY JONES THAT LIVED ON BETHANY LANE AND USED A DECK OF PLAYING CARDS TO TELL YOUR FORTUNE HAD A SON NAMED CLYDE THAT ALSO WENT BY THE NICKNAME OF GOODBUDDY.

-- Posted by nanax5 on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:19 AM

Dianatn, Now that I have just read your posting at 11:09, I am wondering if it could have been Cora and Ed Warner's home. I do remember that the street ran up by Willow Mount. Did she tell fortunes?

-- Posted by cookie on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:19 AM

Yes Cookie she did..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:17 AM

Dianatn, Did the Granny Jones that you are talking about, tell fortunes. This had to be in the late 50's. I don't remember much about it, but I do remember all the cats, and the rock house.

-- Posted by cookie on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 AM

No Fred Jones and Bessie Jones were a different set of Jones.

Fred had 3 brothers Doc, SA and James. There parents were Stacy Deason Jones and Charlie Jones. They may have lived on Bethany Lane I don't know? but they were not the same set of Jones's that Bessie was.

Bessie was Cora Jones Warner's sister. As far as I can tell Bessie was never married (if anybody knows anything any different about that I would like the info please)

Cora married Edward Warner who was the brother to Daniel Warner (Simon's father)

Cora and Ed Warner lived on the road behind the old Burger Chief that runs beside Willow Mount. I seem to remember it being the first house on the right in front of Willow Mount.

Now that I have you totally confused ....

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 11:09 AM

Dianatn, The name Granny Jones has been mentioned several times, and although I'm positive that I never met the lady, each time I see the name it stirs something in my memory that just won't come to the surface.

Seeing it mentioned along with Bethany Lane, however, has reminded me that I used to know a gentleman whose last name was Jones, and he lived for a while at least, somewhere on Bethany Lane. I'm having a terrible time getting his first name out of this haze that seems to surround mind lately, but am wanting to think it might have been Fred.

Did Granny have a relative named Fred, that you know of?

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 10:39 AM

IN THE MID 60,S I WENT WITH MY MOTHER AND ANOTHER WOMAN WHOM I REALLY CANT REMEMBER TO GET THIS LADY AT THE NASHVILLE AIRPORT. THAT LADY WAS RUBY WARNER, BUT I DONT THINK WARNER WAS THE LAST NAME SHE USED ANYMORE, EVERYTIME SHE CAME SHE ALWAYS STAYED WITH THE OTHER WOMAN THAT MY MOTHER CARRIED TO GET HER.MAYBE IT WAS HER FAMILY I JUST CANNOT SEEM TO REMEMBER IT ENOUGH TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. I KNOW IT WAS HER THOUGH CAUSE MY MOTHER TOLD ME THE SIMON WARNER STORY MANY TIMES BEFORE AND THAT SHE HAD BEEN FRIENDS WITH HIS WIFE. WHEN YOU ARE AN ONLY CHILD YOU HEAR ALL THE STORIES GOOD AND BAD AT LEAST I DID.

-- Posted by nanax5 on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 10:38 AM

cookie

Are you referring to Granny Jones? If so then no she is not Simon's sister. She was only related to Simon by marriage.

The only place though that I knew of her living was on Bethany Lane but she may have lived somewhere else at one time.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 9:37 AM

Did Simon Warner's mother tell fortunes, also. I remember as a teenager, several of us went to a house and I thought that it belonged to a Warner. I remember that you had to walk up several steps to get to the front door, and the house was rock, not brick. She had several cats, but she did tell our fortunes. We pooled all our change, and I am sure that she wasn't paid that much. I thought that the house was somewhere near Willow Mount Cemetary.

-- Posted by cookie on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 8:43 AM

ilikeoldsongs, You have stirred up more memories for me now. The poem that stuck in my mind from Junior High days is "Ol Man Mule". I can not recall it exactly but some of the lines went like "He get you at both ends. He bite like the devil, and kick like sin. You gotta walk mincey round Ol Man Mule".

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Nov 13, 2009, at 6:38 AM

My mind is turning to mush, I reckon. leeiii, you're right about Germantown being in the Belmont Ave. area, Germantown Road is the next street past the oil co., and I must have passed it at least 500 times through the years.

gary ashley, let me echo leeiii's welcome to the blog, and of course to Shelbyville, as well. And it's always good to hear that someone shares an interest in history.

And thanks again to all who pitched in on freight train.

Does anyone remember Charlie Brown, who spent a lot of time around the coal yard on North Main during warm weather, then would head out to the King Ranch in Texas for the winter? Seems that maybe freight train might have went out there with Charlie a time or two, but not sure at all, too much water has run under that bridge.

My favorite poem was "The Cremation Of Sam Mcgee", followed closely by "No Man Is An Island". Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 9:14 PM

nanax5, That is exactly right.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:45 PM

freighttrains name was B[LLY JOE WILSON.

-- Posted by nanax5 on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:34 PM

gary ashley, Welcome to the blog. I too love all History as well as Geography. It is a shame that I did not develop that love about 60 years or so ago.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:31 PM

David, Thanks that name fits like a hand in a glove. It would have eventually come to me but who knows how long it would have taken.

ilikeoldsongs, You are exactly right, age has nothing to do with it, and David is especially good at getting the square pegs to fit in the round holes, and vice versa.

cherokee2, You have given me a clue as to the identity of Tatoos & Scars in another blog. Now if I can just make the connection.

Dianatn, I have always connected Germantown to Belmont Avenue. Don't ask me why. The only reason I can think of is that Mrs. Jackson at Jackson Oil was of German descent.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:25 PM

Dianatn, The location of Simon's house on West Lane was farther back toward town, in the 400 block. There used to be a drainage branch that ran between the East end of the old Cannon Chevrolet dealership lot, and the animal facility that is there presently. Simon lived on the Cannon side of the branch, and we lived on the animal facility side, toward town.

I don't recall ever hearing about a place around here called Germantown, only the one that's close to Memphis.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:22 PM

I grew up in Cowan TN. and my grand mother and some of her friends used to drive to Shelbyville to see Simon Warner She said he told her the truth about things many times that later came to pass. I never forget a name when I read this name it brought back memories of 50 years ago I still remember the things that he told her. He was the only fortune teller she ever believed in. thanks for bringing up the past in Shelbyville. Little did I know that I would ever move to Shelbyville to make my home . Ps I love local history as well as all kinds of history

-- Posted by gary ashley on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 8:12 PM

West Lane Street if you are talking about the house right beside Musgrave Pencil Company that was my Grand-parents house and there was a ramp off the front porch. Simon was probably there alot and may have even lived with them at one time (not sure about that though)

Was the area where Musgraves is ever called Germantown? It seems I remember my Dad talking about Germantown a lot when he spoke about Simon.

I remember the name Freight-Train Wilson also I even remember him coming to my grand parents and making the train noise for us kids I will have to check and see if Mom remembers his real name.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 7:37 PM

Thanks, David, I'm not 100% sure that I ever knew him by his real name, and certainly don't think it would have ever come to me now that I see it in front of me.

leeiii, These younger whipper snappers are pretty handy to have around, and I think we should encourage a bunch of 'em to hang out here.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 7:10 PM

Freight Train Wilson. He was still around as late as the late 1980s.

-- Posted by David Melson on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 6:57 PM

ilikeoldsongs, You son of a gun, now you are going to cause me some sleepless nights. I very well remember "freight train". In my mind's eye I can see him now as people urge him on to do the train whistle for their amusement, but for the life of me, I can not recall his name.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM

Dianatn and leeiii, thank you both for your response,and let me apologize for not proofreading my last post. I meant to specify WEST LANE STREET, not East Lane. Getting old is getting harder to handle every day it seems, but is still greatly preferred to the alternative.

leeiii, there is something about the name Waite that seems to want to strike a chord, but can't put my finger on it right now.

I've been trying for several days now to remember the name of a gentleman that was known by the nickname "freight train", for his ability to imitate the sound of a train whistle. No luck there, either.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 6:20 PM

ilikeoldsongs, Since you have mentioned the ramp in connection with East Lane Street. It was somewhere around 1943 when we moved to East Lane and I was still too small to be wandering very far off from home, so I can not really be sure that I can add anything to the conversation. However, I do remember that there was a Warren Waite that lived somewhere in the area of Park Place and East Lane. I have a very foggy remembrance of a ramp, and also an old telephone 1/2 ton truck that I somehow want to try and connect with Warren Waite but I can not be sure of anything factual.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 5:43 PM

Dianatn,I have a question about Simon's house on East Lane Street, about 1942-43. It has no importance,just something that has been stuck in my mind for the past 60 plus years. Being a family member you are likely one of a very few people that can answer my question.

Well I was not around in 1942-43 and honestly I never knew Simon at all I am only relying on my mothers memory and stories from my father who was related to Simon. I have no idea about Simon ever living on East Lane Street.

My mother has stated pretty much exactly what countrystoregirl just said.. My Dad talked about Simon alot. Simon was married to Ruby Frazier but Simon was married before her to Nannie Lou Underwood. They had 2 children together Henry and Nannie (not sure but I believe she married a Thomas) Ruby and Simon had one child Simon Warner Jr.

(this is all just from looking at old birth records I have no real knowledge of them)

Daniel and Susan Warner was Simons parents there was several children born to them I am counting at least 10 listed.

Somewhere down the line the Warner name was changed because a lot of places it is spelled Warinner then changes over to Warner.

Countrystoregirl are we related?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 5:28 PM

Simon Warner is my great uncle. He was killed March 22, 1957 at his home on North Main Street by a man from Alabama who believed Uncle Simon had put a "hex" on him. Ruby Frazier was Simon's wife. Yes, he was a well known psychic. That appears to be Uncle Simon at the far left of one of the pictures. It also appears to be him behind the counter with the box of cigars.

-- Posted by countrystoregirl on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 4:33 PM

Simon was killed in 1961, and he was living on north main at the time.

-- Posted by jim8377 on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM

Dianatn,I have a question about Simon's house on East Lane Street, about 1942-43. It has no importance,just something that has been stuck in my mind for the past 60 plus years. Being a family member you are likely one of a very few people that can answer my question.

My question is this, and bear in mind that this is based on the memory of a young child, was there a "ramp" of some sort that extended from Simon's house to the street? For some reason, anytime I visualize his house I also see this ramp as part of it.

I can't remember anyone living there that might have needed a ramp, so I am wondering if this is just one of those figments of a child's imagination.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 2:16 PM

Taylor's Grocery Store was beside Bridge Street and Bridge Street run up the hill with the Cafe on that road.

I have no knowledge of Simon ever owning a Wax Museum.

Simon actually lived on North Main Street for many years about where Wal-Greens is now.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 1:09 PM

cookie, Bridge street came off the square between what is now the Gunter Building/Masonic Lodge and First National/Regions Bank. The new bank building effectively ended the days of Bridge Street as it encroached onto that property. David posted a picture on Picturing the Past #4 that should give you a good perspective. It ended just to the North of the bridge.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 12:41 PM

somebody refresh my memory. Where is or was bridge street? Also, would like more info on the wax museum. I have got to be having one of those senior moments.

-- Posted by cookie on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 12:26 PM

Simon also opened a wax museum. I believe it was on the east side of the square,close to the popcorn stand.

-- Posted by eyeavol on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 11:37 AM

March 22 1957

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 1:19 AM

What year was Simon Warner killed? Does anyone know?

-- Posted by nanax5 on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 10:26 PM

I vaguely remember that a man who had fortune telling sessions with Simon believed that Simon put a curse on him. The man said he had an invisible belt around his stomach and Simon squeezed the belt giving him terrible pain, so he showed up at Simon's house and shot him when he came to the door. Seems like Simon lived on the road that went by Musgrave pencil factory towards town and on the other side of the street.

-- Posted by Grits on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 8:49 PM

Were Simon Warner and POP Warner brothers?

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 3:14 PM

How could Chero-Cola have become RC,when RC was started,and first produced in 1905.The dates are not adding up.Love the comments anyway.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 3:11 PM

The cafe was on Bridge Street, according to a family member of some of the customers seen in the photo.

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 10:26 AM

marnold1118, Sorry, but I do not remember "Blue Star Dairies". Do you have a time frame for it?

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 9:17 AM

Speaking of Red Rose Ice Cream, does anyone remember a "Blue Star Dairies" located in Normandy that made ice cream. I have a decorative ice cream container from there.

-- Posted by marnold1118 on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 8:46 AM

As a child I recall my parents talking about Simon Warner being a fortune teller. He had customers from two or three states for fortune telling and casting spells, good and bad. I remember Simon Jr. and went part way through school with him. I lost track and have no idea where he is now.

-- Posted by chs61 on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 9:47 PM

I am taking a stab by thinking someone "tried"

a Cafe on the east side of North Main Street just north of the Square in that time frame ....

My recollection of that Strip is Taylor Drugs on the Corner, a Western Auto Store and then Pruitt's Barber Shop before the Drop Down to the Railroad Tracks...South of the Tracks was the Box Factory and a "Greasy Spoon Beer Joint" next to Stewart-Potts....

Maybe the City Cafe was where the Western Auto was???

-- Posted by FlaDon on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 8:31 PM

I recall a cafe in the building next door to the Dixie Motors building on Noth main. I am not sure this was the cafe in the picture,but the size of the room and the front window would fit with that location. As I remember,the building was yellow brick and across from the Milk Plant. Does anyone remember this cafe?

-- Posted by LarLMoore on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 4:41 PM

AS I RECALL HIS WIFE WAS NAMED RUBY. WAS THAT HER STANDING BESIDE HIM IN THE SECOND PICTURE?

-- Posted by nanax5 on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 1:42 PM

Don't know why that link doesn't work, but here is the part from which the 1921 date came:

"The inventor of Georgia's other cola, Claude Adkins Hatcher, had the business sense to succeed where Pemberton failed. By 1920, Chero-Cola was in a head-to-head race for top selling soft drink in America. Were it not for a 1921 court decision causing Hatcher to stop using the word Cola, todays Cola Wars would likely be a three-way battle.

Although Chero -Formerly Chero-Cola remained on the market for most of the next three decades Hatcher had lost a major battle. He recovered with his NEHI line of fruit drinks and re-entered the Cola Wars with his successful Royal Crown Cola but his companies never again came within reach of the top of the cola field."

Using the above date from this site, along with 1912, which is the date that franchising began according to the angelfire site, I would imagine that the local sign was applied sometime between 1912 and 1921, if we can assume that both sites are reporting accurate information, which we all know is sometimes a stretch.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 1:02 PM

I too remember Red Rose icecream. Mr Warner lived in the massey house on No. Main Street, near Shelbyville Lumber Co. A gentleman, from Alabama, that had a hex put on him by Mr. Warner, shot him and returned to Alabama. I attended his pretrial hearing but didn't go to his trial as I moved to GA. Mr. Warner was said to be able to see into the future, but it didn't work that day.

-- Posted by jim8377 on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 1:02 PM

MAYBE IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE .FROM THE STORIES I HEARD AS A CHILD FROM MY MOTHER & GRANDMOTHER OLE SIMOM WAS SAID TO HAVE SOME KIND OF POWERS OR WANTED PEOPLE TO THINK HE DID THAT IS WHAT CAUSED HIS DEMISE. WHO KNOWS?

-- Posted by nanax5 on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 12:39 PM

The Chero Cola link above is no longer active.

But try this one, http://www.angelfire.com/tn/traderz/cher..., and you'll discover that Chero Cola eventually became today's RC Cola.

-- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 12:13 PM

David, it would appear that the old sign on the Pope's building was placed there before 1921, as the company lost a court case in 1921, and had to stop using the word "cola" for the product.

You can check this out at the following address:

www.cherocola.com

And yes, I remember Red Rose very well, great stuff.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 12:08 PM

reilly, Like you I remember Red Rose Ice Cream very well, and likewise Vanilla is the flavor that I remember as being the best ever. I have heard of Chero-Cola many times, but I can not ever remember ever having had one to drink.

It seems to me that over the course of our blogging I have heard of more than one possible locations for a Cafe or Restaurant that was run by Simon Warner, but for the life of me I can not ever remember being a customer, so it goes without saying that I can not help with the location.

Yes, not only do people like to eat, but they like to eat anything that is advertised as "Country Cooking", and I am no different from the majority.

Thanks again David for two more great pictures.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 11:37 AM

The mighty-interesting story of Simon Warner's life and passing will surely become a part of the responses to this blog...by some folks who recall it better than I do...looking forward to reading the notes! Thanks for being the generator for such an interesting exchange of senior memories, David.

-- Posted by dkd57 on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 11:33 AM

Red Rose vanilla ice cream is a fond memory. I still remember how it tasted. Nothing on today's market is even close.

-- Posted by reilly on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM


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