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Picturing the Past 41: Holland Street

Posted Thursday, December 31, 2009, at 12:48 PM

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A minor traffic accident has occurred in February 1963 at the Holland Street-North Jefferson Street intersection. Today the 82 Bypass and empty lots occupy the area. (T-G File Photo)
The negative for this February 1963 photo wasn't in the best of shape, but it shows a very different look at what today is a major Shelbyville intersection.

You're looking south, toward First Baptist Church and Depot Street, at what is today the middle of the 82 Bypass-Holland Street intersection.

In 1963 this was North Jefferson Street (looking south, up the hill) at Holland. Note the old house to the left and more houses up the hill. The houses were gradually torn down -- I think most were gone by the 1970s -- years before the bypass was constructed many years later.

But I remember, as late as the 1990s, at least one house facing the railroad tracks rather than the street in the area between North Jefferson (Bypass) and Deery Streets behind what older residents will know as the ice plant.

That area's undergone quite a change over the past 40 years or so.

Picturing the Past is featured each Tuesday in this blog. Reader contributions are welcome.


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Thanks David for another great picture. It brings back a lot of memories. I do not think that I ever walked that section of tracks between North Jefferson and Derry behind the old Ice Plant, so I am a little foggy on the house that you mentioned.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 10:27 AM

David,You have a job for life in my book if you keep doing this.I really think everyone enjoys seeing our past.Its about the only reason I go on line to the T-G.Keep up the good work,and keep digging for those old photos.I would like to see a series on the GREAT FLOOD,and a few stories of old local folks that made Bedford county what it is.Thanks again.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 1:06 PM

David, you mentioned a house facing the rr instead of the road. Seems that I vaguely recall that myself, but wouldn't want to swear to it.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if at one time there were several houses between N. Jefferson and Deery St. that wound up facing the rr tracks, if there were in fact several houses in that area. There was a street(Jackson St.) before there was a rr track in that area. Seems that this portion of Jackson St. was sacrificed to provide a right of way for the rr to go to the U.S. Rubber Co. You can verify the street being there by looking at the 1878 Beers map.

In the picture above, I can't identify the white building on the right. At first glance I wanted to think it was Fred Phillips Piano business building, but it was on the North side of Holland, and this building is apparently on the South side of Holland.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 3:27 PM

The white building on the right housed several businesses during the 1970s and 1980s. Seems like one may have been an office supply store. None stayed in business very long.

Fred Phillips' piano store was across the street in another, virtually identical, white building.

-- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 3:32 PM

Dear ilikeoldsongs,

The building in the photo on the south side of Holland is another Prentice/Hortense Cooper property. I believe the address to be 210 N. Jefferson. At any rate, it is directly across the street from what was the infamous Fred Phillips piano store.

In 1980 there was a suntanning manufacturer in the building. Before that was a feed store. After the suntanning manufacturer, it seems to me there was a house trailer dealership. Many businesses were in the building over the years and, it was only torn down recently.

-- Posted by garhawk on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 3:52 PM

ilikeoldsongs, David, and garhawk. You are right that there have been several businesses in that building in the past. One of the ones that I remember was a magazine distributor whose business name has escaped me right now. As a young boy when they pulled comics off the stand they would cut the title off the comic to send back to the publisher. I guess they got a refund when a comic did not sell before it went out of date. Then the comic book sans the title was fair game for all the young boys who requested them or got them before they went to the dump. That business later moved out on the Fayeteville Highway just beyond the city limits.

The other business that I can remember being there in the early '70s was an office supply store that was owned by Donald Stephens.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 4:58 PM

David,garhawk and leeiii, thanks for the information about that building. Now let me throw this in the ring. Back in PTP 7:King Of Clubs, MARINEDAN mentioned a bar named The Hen House in the general area we're discussing, and leeiii, you mentioned this building, I think, as a possible location. At the time I didn't comment, but did have the faintest feeling that I remembered a "joint" being there for a relatively short time. I'm wondering now if this was in fact the bar that MARINEDAN had in mind.

leeiii, could the magazine company you mentioned above have been Austin Periodical Services?

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 5:33 PM

ilikeoldsongs, The location I was suggesting for the Hen House was a little further toward the square, possibly on the corner of Brittian and Holland. I can not be certain about that location.

Somehow Austin Periodical Services does not ring my chimes but I can not give you a better answer right now. Probably about midnight it will come to me. I do remember that Danny McCullough worked for them.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 5:54 PM

That would have been Middle Tennessee News,which later became Austin.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 6:05 PM

bingo, That is it---Middle Tennessee News. In the back of my mind I was thinking that Tennessee was in the name of it.

-- Posted by leeiii on Tue, Dec 29, 2009, at 7:08 PM

David, Here is another fascinating thing that I have discovered about the above photo. According to the shadows this picture was made about 1:00pm, and if you had not of identified it as being made in February I would have guessed it as being Winter time because the sun is kind of in the Southwest.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 9:08 AM

Was the Trailways bus station located in this area?

-- Posted by eyeavol on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 9:32 AM

eyeavol, Yes, it was on the NW corner of North Brittian and Holland, and beside of Martin Price hardware. It would have been one block West from this picture.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 10:00 AM

And was the Trailways station in the small brick building that once housed the police department?

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 10:41 AM

Yes David. I had forgotten about that. Do you have a time frame when the police station was there?

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 12:55 PM

Glad you explained to me where is was and is or I would never have guessed. Very interesting photos. Thanks.

-- Posted by Thatsmystory on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 1:39 PM

Apparently the police were in the Holland Street building during the 1950s (and possibly the 1940s) until moving to their present location in 1965. The police were within the old City Hall on the square in the 1930s.

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 2:17 PM

Apparently the police were in the Holland Street building during the 1950s (and possibly the 1940s) until moving to their present location in 1965. The police were within the old City Hall on the square in the 1930s.

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 2:17 PM

Huh?

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 2:40 PM

I'm talking about the small brick building more or less across the street from the photo above, not the building pictured.

-- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 2:45 PM

David, you cats have got me at a disadvantage with this talk about the police station being on Holland, as I have no remembrance of that, maybe it was before my time, since I didn't arrive here until 6-24-1950. But from about 1954 until I married at the end of 1958, a friend and I used to hang around what I thought at the time was the police station, and it was located on the West side of the square, next to,I think, Taylor's store. Joe Wheeler was the dispatcher who was generally on duty when we would be there, and the cops all seemed to congregate there on occassion. My cousin, who was on the force always parked his car there during his shift.My friend and I even dropped off a nice large 'possum there once as a practical joke.Maybe the city operated another facility on Holland at that time that I was not aware of? Anything is possible, but in my feeble mind I can't remember the police dept. being any where except the West side of the square, until they moved into the present location.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM

ilikeoldsongs, and David I remember the Police station being beside the Fire Hall on the West side of the square through the '50s and maybe partly into the '60s. I can not give you a date that they moved into their present building except to say that it coincided with Urban Renewal. In the back of my mind it made sense that the Police station could have been in the old Trailway building maybe during the time of the closing of Bridge Street and the construction of First National Bank. I will try to do some research on this one to see what I can find out.

-- Posted by leeiii on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 4:02 PM

well, ilikeoldsongs, my remembrance of the police station is the same as yours. My years in Shelbyville were 1936 - 1954 and I never knew the police station to be anywhere but the west side of the square...along with the fire department.

About the only recollection I have of Holland Street was the Bus Station.

-- Posted by steadyeddie on Wed, Dec 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM

dave thanks again for a great pic. the hen house building is still there as of my visit to shelbyville. as of july 09. wow!

-- Posted by MARINEDAN on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 7:01 AM

MARINEDAN, Would you please identify exactly where the Hen House building is? Between which streets, on which side of the street, and how far between cross strets?

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 7:52 AM

Some interesting information that I found today about the magazine business that was formerly in the white block building at the corner of East Holland and North Jefferson. In the book "Information-Impressions of Shelbyville and Bedford County" that was published by the T-G in the Spring of 1988 it is stated that the business began in 1952 as Independant News Company. It later became known as Middle Tennessee News Company. It later moved to a warehouse on Fayeteville Highway (U.S. 231) and became known as Austin Periodical Services.

I still have not found any information on the Police Department being in the old Trailways building, but I am still looking and I have put out a query.

-- Posted by leeiii on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 6:14 PM

The comment by ilikeoldsongs narrows down the time period during which the police station was on Holland Street. Apparently this would have been during the early to mid 1960s, maybe while the new city hall was being built.

I'm thinking the Hen House, which was apparently before my time, may have been in a small building just west of Donald Stephens' warehouse at Holland and North Jefferson. It's the only building in that area which appears likely to have housed a bar.

-- Posted by David Melson on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 7:17 PM

David you might be on to something with the early to mid sixties theory, I know for a fact that the bus station had been moved to Leonard Parson's service station on North Main St. by sept. 1961.

I agree that the building you mentioned seems the most likely suspect of those remaining.

Stephen's warehouse was a wholesale grocery operation in the early fifties, that's where I bought the candy with which I almost put the Bell Buckle cafeteria out of business before they nabbed one of my operatives, which caused me to rethink my business model.

-- Posted by ilikeoldsongs on Thu, Dec 31, 2009, at 8:32 PM

lleii: i havent lived in shelbyville since 1979 so i cant tell you the name of the crossstreet. i think it would have been at the intersection of holland and whatecver the street name was or is the one that is along the side if the old pricess theater. hope that helps.

-- Posted by MARINEDAN on Sat, Jan 2, 2010, at 4:28 PM

MARINEDAN, Thanks for the information. I think that we have the general area nailed down.

David, and ilikeoldsongs I got this information just a little bit ago from Jan Phillips and I wanted to share it with all of you.

"I don't have any documents about the locations of the Shelbyville Police Department. I do know that after leaving the west side of the square the Police Department did move into a building on Holland Street. This building was located by the old Martin-Price Hardware store. (This building is still standing.) It was the old bus station before the Police Department moved there. I believe this is where the Police Department was located while the new building was being built on Lane Parkway (1965). This was during the Urban Renewal renovations.

I know that after the Police Department moved off Holland Street that building was occupied as the Silver Tap Lounge."

That should help us solve that dilemma. In the fog that once was my memory I thought that I could remember a radio antenna on top of the building that looked a lot like a 2 meter antenna.

-- Posted by leeiii on Sat, Jan 2, 2010, at 5:28 PM

In a 1959 football program from Central High some supporters listed their address, and Gentry Feed & Seed was 316 Holland. I'm thinking this may be the same building that Eustace Williams had a wholesale house at least in the early 50's. I remamber going there in the late 40's to buy bulk salt for hog killing.I don't remember when he retired.He never missed a Rotary meeting for years.

-- Posted by Cal t on Tue, Feb 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.