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Global warming: Yes or no?

Posted Monday, January 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM

These cold days find me wondering about global warming.

Does it exist? I've tended to be uncertain about it, leaning toward believing it exists but not to the extent some think it does.

I'm watching both sides of the issue and trying to pick out scientific facts from the denials it exists by skeptics who base their arguments on politics rather than facts.

But I'm sort of "riding the fence" on this one. So tell me what you think -- and why.


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There is no problem with earth that another superflu plague won't resolve. Bingo bada-boom and populations drop to less than 50% of current numbers. Of course the elites will insist that it only effect us "commoners".

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Sat, Jan 9, 2010, at 7:33 AM

I say, let's bring back witch burning and get rid of some of these freaks before they breed.

-- Posted by Ponyboy on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 11:50 AM

Obviously, it's too late, you're here :(

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 8:24 PM

I sometimes "wonderwhy" people such as yourselves are so easily manipulated into believing something that can be proven by science not to be a problem. Yes, we did experience a period of global warming just as we are now (for the past five years) experiencing a trend of global cooling.

When I was a youngster, the experts all agreed that we would all eventually be frozen to death due to a particularly long period of cooling back then. Our scientists have uncovered empiracle evidence that our planet has undergone these types of hot and cold trends repeatedly since the beginning of time. Now, all of the sudden, you and Gore have figured it out for all of us. I guess that explains why sometimes babies are born with 6 fingers...there is no good explanation with the science that exists today.

When our forefathers roamed and expanded this country, they clearcut every tree they could find. That's why we don't have any virgin forrests anymore. Did the planet stop making oxygen back then? No, because we get more of our planets oxygen from the ocean than we do from plants and trees.

The world didn't come to an end back then when I'm sure people like you were believing it was especially with all the disease and lack of understanding. Well, in a hundred years, people will be looking back on the idiots of 2010 just as we do the idiots of our ancestors.

I say, let's bring back witch burning and get rid of some of these freaks before they breed.

-- Posted by Ponyboy on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 11:50 AM

"Global Warming" is a catch phrase, and has become one of those political games that the big guys play. There is no way the right will ever take this with any grain of truth, the world could be boiling at their feet and they would deny it.

Yes there is truth to our actions causing harm to this planet, yes big industry is ruining the land, yes there is truth to the cycles of nature taking it's course - and both are progressing and don't be fooled no amount of denial by the right will prevent either from happening. As long as we call the ruin being caused by our "progress and innovations" global warning it will never be more than a political fight. As long as the greed mongers can get richer they will not give one hoot about the harm they are doing to this planet.

The right will always no questions asked back big business, and will always denounce the theory of Global Warming since to consider it as viable would cause them to lose profits.

Personally I say we should respect our planet, and put her first,if we are wrong then the worst we'll do is protect the future but if we don't put her first we could totally destroy her. But before anything can be accomplished we need to change the name and not consider it a political issue but rather a life issue.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 10:50 AM

M. Bell nails it again!

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 10:29 AM

I'll bet ole Gore has his thermostat turned up today. Since he can probably get a discount on buying carbon offsets from his own company that sells them. Hmmm, maybe that's why he wrote the book, made the movie, and travels the world preaching "inconvienient truth's". I just feel sorry for all the past and future recipients of the Nobel prize. Between Gore and Obama, all of the prestige is gone.

-- Posted by Ponyboy on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 10:21 AM

It looks like global warming outside to me, lol.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 8:59 AM

We just recently saw (if your paying attention) where the so-called scientists who are collecting and reporting the actual statistics have been lying to us and covering up the latest data because it fails to support their agenda of convincing us that the world is coming to an end.

When Great Britain passed their own version of our freedom of information act, they actually starting deleting thousands of emails and shreding documents that revealed a current trend of all the polar icecaps actually back to original dimensions and a "global cooling" trend.

The biggest problem they have...the fear of loosing billions of dollars in government funding. Gore and Co. have made billions on this world-wide hoax. When the annonymous hero made public the emails that those scientists were trying to delete, I thought there would be a massive media out-cry, but instead all we got was a couple of days of the media and our inept leaders telling us that while it did happen and while it is true that scientists did collect data that reported a reversal of the warming effect...they just didn't believe it would continue.

Then, in the same week, Obama promises the world that America will commit to screwing up our already crippled economy to further this massive hoax. Was he not privy to the same information the rest of us received or is it more likely that he didn't want to completely minimalize the laughable Nobel Prize that Gore received because he was about to receive a laughable one of his own?

Folks, I know that you may be committed brainwashed zombies but it's time to get your "news" from somewhere else besides "The View".

I have heard both sides of this issue and have determined that the overwhelmingly supperior numbers of scientists that believe it's a hoax are right. The pro-hoax scientists now outnumber the pro-warming scientists at least 15 to 1.

-- Posted by Ponyboy on Wed, Jan 6, 2010, at 9:46 AM

At this moment a little global warming would be great.

-- Posted by gottago on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 5:46 PM

Global warming is real, because something had to melt the ice during previous ice ages. IMO man has little to no effect on the process.

algore and his cronies are just trying to get rich(er) off of a chicken little story.

The idea that CO2 is causing global warming is silly, and can be disproven for less than one dollar. Buy a coke, pour equal amounts into separate glasses, put one in the fridge and leave one out at room temperature. Come back in a couple hours and see which one has more "fizz" left. We all know from experience the colder one will. "Fizz" is CO2.

The solubility of a gas into a liquid is inversely proportional to the temperature of the liquid.

This means that as a liquid warms up it can no longer hold as much gas (CO2 in this case). Two thirds of all CO2 on the planet is held in the oceans. As the earth warms CO2 is released by them. Rising CO2 levels happen after warming, Co2 is not causing warming. But algore isn't going to let petty things like facts get in the way of his fame or future profits.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 11:16 AM

global warming is a possibility, but eternal warming is what scares me!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 10:40 AM

Nevermind, I guess my eyes read it wrong. Disregard. It is funny how I was going to jump to conclusions in what you were stating. I did read it thoroughly.

To add, did anyone watch Conspiracy Theory last night? It was about this Climategate. Pretty interesting stuff, some seems to ring true and they didn't just sit there grasping straws. I think some of that paranoid type editing was a bit far out there.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 8:57 AM

Freedomisgood,

You're blaming scientists on this? Think you need to re-think that.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 8:51 AM

Here in the developed world we view the world through windows (and sometimes through Windows). We have a lifestyle that puts us out of doors for two hours a day, tops, and so we have to look through the windows in our houses, windows of our cars and offices, the window to the world offered by TV and our computers--we see the world through a frame. We can choose elements of the frame--which channels to watch, which window we'll sit near with our cup of coffee or tea--but we don't see the whole world, just rectangular snapshots or videos. Not criticizing this, just noting the fact.

Another form of window is provided by our interior frame of reference, such as religion or politics. My favorite window has been science, which is mildly amusing, as I'm not a scientist. I get my 'science-y' fix through technology, and the window on the world provided by science and technology has not only brought me great joy and satisfaction, it has also provided me with a living for most of the past three decades. The way of thinking and the perpetual search for innovation and understanding pretty much makes my life worth living.

Climategate changes this. The grubby, petty dishonesty disclosed by the emails, the apparent willingness to let the world's policies be determined by a political, rather than scientific, agenda, the ambition to be not just the top, but the only view on display--I've seen these things all my adult life in offices in different countries, in marketers, product managers, CEOs and CFOs, and all manner of consultants fair and foul. It's silly of me, I suppose, to ever have thought science was different, that scientists weren't as human as the rest of us.

But now, as I work through the emails that constitute the bulk of Climategate, and look at how flagrant was The Team's disregard for ethics, honesty and human kindness, as I read of their willingness to flatten the careers of all those that opposed them, disregard the law and the scientific tradition, I have to say that what they did is just as severe, just as bad, as the worst I have seen in private business. I'm not exaggerating when I say that The Team could have been using Michael Douglas' role in Wall Street as a role model.

I will continue to love science and technology, and continue to be excited by innovation and the search for truth. But I would be lying if I didn't admit that one of my favorite windows to the world has been obscured by the frost--the coldness and contempt of The Hockey Stick Team--Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Phil Jones and the rest. Damn their eyes.

-- Posted by Freedomisgood on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 10:58 PM

There is no denying that we are experiencing climate change. The problem with the over-politicized Global Warming is that a role in this phenomenon is attributed to humankind and that only a change in our behavior can reverse it.

We know that our weather (and, by extension, our climate) is a chaotic system. While there is much predictabiltiy in a chaotic system, it by defintion experiences infintesimal changes in inital conditions so that further outcomes are not predictable. It is possible that we humans could represent some of the changes in these conditions but so could sunspots or other solar activity or even some force that is yet unknown to us.

I also wonder if we can truly have a 'control' on which to study climate change. We have only a limited history of reliable data in climate studies and with an ever changing level of human activity and population there may be too many variables and possible outcomes to develop a true consensus.

Either way, too many people ignore conservation efforts in the mistaken notion that they are endorsing global warming (or even the less committal 'climate change'. I fail to see how the two issues are confused...they are completely seperate social challenges.

We can all benefit from being better stewards of our environment. Through recycling efforts, reduced reliance on polluting fossil fuels, a commitment to protecting both flora and fauna, and an overall attitude of wasting less we can certainly create a cleaner world and a world more suitably left to future generations.

-- Posted by gottago on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 8:57 PM

I entertain the idea of it being a hoax.

Too many scientists agree. A money making scheme...

-- Posted by driedleaves on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 8:02 PM

One thing about Global Warming that I like to chime in about; Global Warming is not a physical warming of the earth. It is the by product of the ice melting at the caps. Fresh water mixing with Salt water can cause the current to change, stop or divert in directions it didn't before.

When that happens, weather is different parts of the world will be extreme whether it be wetter, colder, warmer or drier. The causes of Global Warming have yet to be proven in my opinion but it is clearly happening because it can be verified by the ice caps.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 7:40 PM

David if you listen to Al Gore its a fact,but I never listen to him.Remember his wife is a book burner,so there you go.Getting people to believe 2+2=6 only shows fools follow fools.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 6:03 PM

Climate change yes.

Global warming? Not sure it is because of the reasons argued, but I feel sure our human population and industry has an affect on the world.

I also believe it needs our attention, and extremists on both sides will help us with active discussions. Not necessarily friendly, but necessary.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Jan 4, 2010, at 3:30 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.