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Tea Party protests leave bitter taste

Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010, at 5:27 PM

Whether you agree or not with the final outcome on the health care bill before Congress, one thing's for sure: It's brought out the meanness in some people.

The slurs shouted at some lawmakers Saturday were unnecessary. Just call it Beavis and Butthead politics. Or, more seriously, bullying -- the same thing school officials are trying to eliminate among students.

News stories have said most of the shouters were "tea party" people.

I'm all for peaceful protests, even if they're loud and raucous. The United States was founded on, among things, the right to speak out.

But the past few months have seen protests taken too far. Examples: Last summer, when Democratic lawmakers' town meetings were disrupted -- or drowned out -- by conservatives whose tactic was keep them from even being heard. Comments on talk radio by hosts and callers wishing death or harm on opponents and their families. Actions that are clearly aimed at political parties first, and what's best for our nation far down the line.

The Washington Post described Saturday's Capitol crowd in an online story as "mostly over 50." And conservative, of course. Imagine. The people who would have been so opposed to such activity back in the "hippie" days are doing the same themselves. How ironic.

No one should expect wimpish behavior within political debate. But brutish crudity only hurts us all -- and overshadows the message protesters are trying to make.


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They have no witnesses in all of that crowd that this even occurred. Im sorry but I just don't believe it. Dirty tricks have been pulled before and will be again. And in reference to brutish crudity - it looks like this is all they understand in Washington. A good journalist saying from the old days of pride in their profession - trust but verify. And I mean no disrespect David. I think that your reporting is excellent. I am talking of our national (cozy up to the big Dude) media.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 5:52 PM

David - I read something about this on a liberal blog yesterday (although I can't remember which one). Could you please post a link to this story from any credible news source? I've looked all over and can't find anything. Even CNN has nothing on this and they would be all over it if it indeed happened. Thanks

-- Posted by Thom on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 8:44 PM

Where was the supposed outrage when democrats cried Clarence Thomas was a "house negro" or "uncle tom"?

The one sidedness of some bloggers (reporters?) around here is absurd.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 9:33 PM

IT IS REALLY HARD TO MAINTAIN RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW ARE DISHONEST AND MAKING DIRTY DEALS IN BACKROOMS LIKE THESE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON.THIS IS A TERRIBLE CONGRESS AND WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT YOU GET.

-- Posted by swoosie on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 9:35 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_o...

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 11:32 PM

Even is something like that occurred, I think you could rationally believe that we would be talking about 1 or 2 individuals out of thousands. What is really happening is the popular media is using this as a means for not really covering the real message, concerns or opinions of these protestors. Rather it is a means of brushing them aside. In this day and age of abundant small recording devices, I find it hard to believe we have no hard record of this. As our media follows newspapers into the La Brea tarpits of obsolescence, it has left this tidbit to be regarded in the future as fact - "that Barney Frank had his feelings hurt by Tea Party Protestors."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE8...

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 2:49 AM

It is a shame that a few bad apples spoiled this demonstration. If it did indeed happen, it is classless and uncouth.

-- Posted by espoontoon on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 6:51 AM

Someone asked for a news account of abusive behavior at one of the rallies:

http://ow.ly/1p1Wz

That being said, I'm in agreement that any movement, on either end of the political spectrum, has its wack jobs and you have to be careful about being too quick to judge any movement by its worst members.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 9:02 AM

Since the financial crash of 2008 and the subsequently high levels of unemployment, both of which have parallels in the decade-long events of the Great Depression, people are more than usually scared and feeling poorly. These feelings need to be vented and are the basis for protests against unfairness or real or perceived injustices. Too bad it is that one target of this protest is the fairness and justice of health care insurance reform, which will prolong or save lives, create happiness in family finances and allow Americans to be healthier.

-- Posted by zzoop on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 10:11 AM

Here is a good question for those of you here that are so "RED" that you refuse to admit the "red" can do any wrong, "HOW WOULD YOUR PARTY ACT IF THE SHOE WERE ON THE OTHER FOOT?????

OK NOW, TELL ME WHERE IS ANY CONCERN OR OUT RAGE ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF YOUR GUY WHO YELLED OUT AT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM MICHIGAN LAST NIGHT? DID YOUR PARTY NOT LEARN FROM THE FIRST GUY THAT BEHAVED SO TACKY AND SPEWED THE "YOU LIE" ANY REPRESENTATIVE WHO ACTS OUT IN THIS MANNER SHOULD BE ESCORTED OUT AND REPLACED NO QUESTIONS ASKED.- NO MATTER WHAT PARTY HE IS WITH THEIR VOTE SHOULD BE NULL AND FORFEITED. IF THE PARTY THEY BELONGS TO COVERS FOR THEM THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS. OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO STAND AS OUR LEADERS, THAT BEHAVIOR IS LOW CLASS AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED. HIS ACTIONS AT BEST WERE TRASHY.

It is one thing to be stupid at a rally ( yelling racial slurs ) these are people out looking for "shock jock" attention, they want to stand out and draw attention to themselves. The people at the rally who are said to do that were very tacky, same as those putting Joker posters and racist attacks on our President (I don't hear many of your party condemning them) Those are happening no questions asked yet just as the protesters said actions there is no out cry from your side to tell them they are out of line,thus showing your approval.

As a society we need bone to speak out against anyone democrat and yes even your beloved republicans when they behave in this manner. By defending them your no better than they are.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 11:36 AM

The "Joker" poster was actually PhotoShopped by a man who did not vote in that election but said he would have voted for Dennis Kucinich (a Democrat), NOT by any supporter of the Republican party. Maybe some of the Democrats are racists.

The racial/homosexual epithets that were yelled at the tea-party rally in Washington are not indicative of the majority of the tea-party movement. I would bet that those standing near those people were looking at them as idiots when they heard that. I certainly would have been. Racism is something that should not be tolerated in any forum.

Still, just as in the Town Hall meeting in Murfreesboro with Bart Gordon last year, there were numerous comments yelled from the people that supported this health care reform that could have been construed as racist and threatening. My assumption is that they were yelling these comments in hopes that the TV/Radio/Newspapers covering the event would pick up on the comments and not bother to see who said them, thereby painting the anti-health care reform bill protesters as violent racists.

The majority of the people that I've talked to in the movement feel the same way about Obama as I do. I could deal with him being President, or a socialist...but not both.

Also, Rep. Joe Wilson had every right to voice his opinion as he did. Even though the bill that they were discussing expressly prohibited illegal aliens from obtaining government subsidized healthcare, there was no mechanism in place for verification of legal status. Therefore, in Rep. Wilson's mind, the President was lying when he said that no illegals would be insured.

As for the Republican that yelled out "Baby killer" at Bart Stupak, nobody knows who that was (or nobody is telling) but since there are questions as to the extent that the "Executive Order" will actually prohibit federally funded abortions, this person's opinion was most likely the same as Joe Wilson's. They put these items in there, but have no way to enforce them. That would be the same as if there were no police to enforce the laws. We have enforcement of our laws now and people still break the law. How many more would break the law if there were no enforcement?

There was a time in our history when Congress was passionate about their jobs and the people that they served. It was nothing for a debate to turn heated and have people yelling their opinions. As for it not being appropriate for the members to comment on the President's remarks, according to the House Rules, that is a respect that is only guaranteed during a State of the Union address.

-- Posted by Thom on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 1:04 PM

DID YOUR PARTY NOT LEARN FROM THE FIRST GUY THAT BEHAVED SO TACKY AND SPEWED THE "YOU LIE" ANY REPRESENTATIVE WHO ACTS OUT IN THIS MANNER SHOULD BE ESCORTED OUT AND REPLACED NO QUESTIONS ASKED.- NO MATTER WHAT PARTY HE IS WITH THEIR VOTE SHOULD BE NULL AND FORFEITED. IF THE PARTY THEY BELONGS TO COVERS FOR THEM THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS.

-- Posted by wonderwhy

Will you still stand behind this statement or will you crawfish?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71...

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 1:27 PM

It seems the Republican Party and the Tea Party movement did not appreciate the negative comments either.

GOP, tea party organizers blast racial taunts

By William Douglas and Erika Bolstad

MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON -- Republican Party officials and tea party protest organizers Sunday condemned health-care demonstrators who hurled racial and homophobic slurs at black and gay lawmakers Saturday at the Capitol.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, appearing Sunday morning on NBC, called the actions by some protesters "reprehensible" and maintained they were isolated incidents that shouldn't reflect on Tea Party participants as a whole. Amy Kremer, coordinator of the Tea Party Express, agreed.

"I absolutely think it's isolated," Kremer told Fox News on Sunday. "It's disgraceful and the people in this movement won't tolerate it."

The denunciations came amid more confrontations between supporters and opponents on Sunday as the House of Representatives prepared to vote on the health-care legislation.

Protesters of all stripes gathered at the south entrance to the Capitol, through which House members drive. On one side, those opposed to health care chanted "kill the bill." On the other side, supporters of the legislation chanted "health care now."

Crowds that assembled in support of immigration overhaul legislation added to the mix.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM

David Posted--

The Washington Post described Saturday's Capitol crowd in an online story as "mostly over 50." And conservative, of course. Imagine. The people who would have been so opposed to such activity back in the "hippie" days are doing the same themselves. How ironic.

I believe these are probably some of the same people they are just older now and not smoking dope. The questions is(are) were they wrong then, and are they wrong now?

I attended a tea party rally. The first political rally of any kind I have ever been to. There were no racial remarks or slurs and was attended by members of several different races. Most, like myself, were attending this type of event for the first time.

Our government is out of control and grabbing power over us right and left, Rep. and Dem. It is our children and grandchildren that will be holding the bag when this latest ponzi scheme plays out. Just like social security which will be bankrupt in the near future.

They contend that healthcare is a right. That means that you are entitled to a healthcare professionals services with or without them being compensated. Compelling someone else to serve you is usually referred to as slavery.

I believe healthcare is an individual responsibility, not a right. What is next? The right to eat and be clothed? Should the government be able to force you to grow food for someone else to consume?

Since Obama has been in office the government has taken control of the banks, automobile manufacturers, and now healthcare. He and this congress have passed budgets with deficits four times as high as the last administration. The last administartion was also fiscally irresponsible and also increased the size and scope of government:(

We have traded our freedom and personal responsibilities for socialism. If you will look up the definition of socialism you will find that the U.S. now fits that description. Many citizens think that is good thing.

To borrow a quote from President Obama "THIS IS WHAT CHANGE LOOKS LIKE".

I suppose the meida would also label those "hateful" people that threw the Tea overboard at the original Tea party as radicals as well. If so, I will proudly wear that title in the pursuit of freedom from an overpowering government.

Whenever our right to bear arms is taken we will be completely at the mercy of an alrady too powerful government. Don't think that can/will happen? Well, no one thought we would have government run healthcare either. "THIS IS WHAT CHANGE LOOKS LIKE"

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 3:13 PM

This is a standard for the politically correct crowd. Call those with opposing beliefs racist or homophobic. Whether true or not, people find racism so irreprehensible that you can immediately squash the opposition's voice. It's a tactic that is designed to bypass the brain and logical thought and provoke an instant uncomfortable emotional reaction. So "racism" was the newsworthy story as the Dems hatched a plot to take over 1/6th of the US economy, take over the student loan program, increase the size and scope of the IRS, and make us more dependent on them for our very lives. News or newspeak - you decide.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 4:03 PM

Save yourself some graces, your tea parties here haven't been like the organized, FOR PROFIT, Tea Party that's circling Washington.

Repulicans aren't quite sure whether they're friend or foe, so they stradle the fence on how to interpret their protests. Democrats, at the very least know exactly where they stand with them.

If you believe no crude remarks were used, then I can see Alaska from Bell Buckle!

-- Posted by Freedomof Speech on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 4:09 PM

Just for clarification, by "Red" in my above post, I mean Communist Red!

-- Posted by BobBobBob on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 5:27 PM

Just for clarification, by "Red" in my above post, I mean Communist Red!

-- Posted by BobBobBob on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 6:21 PM

What would God tell us to do about health care?????

Should we help each other????????????

Should we help the sick????????

should we love one another????????????

Should we have faith and trust God????

Can we carry our treasures to Heaven??????????

Should we hate and cuss each other???????

Life IS SHORT WE HAD BETTER LEARN WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by gary ashley on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 6:27 PM

What would God tell us to do about health care?????

Should we help each other????????????

Should we help the sick????????

should we love one another????????????

Should we have faith and trust God????

Can we carry our treasures to Heaven??????????

Should we hate and cuss each other???????

Life IS SHORT WE HAD BETTER LEARN WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by gary ashley on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 6:27 PM

I think God would say that you help those who CANNOT help themselves. He also said be fruitful. So Gary did the little robbery take an additional 3.8% of your income and arbitrarily give it away. I bet not. It is easy to give of others. What do you give of yourself? Just wondering ....outonthefarm

-- Posted by outonthefarm on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 8:45 PM

God wants us to Love him with everything we are, our neighbors as ourselves.

Yes WE should care for our neighbors. That is your job and mine, not the government's.

If we loved and obeyed God like we should as a nation, and like we have in the past, we would not be having these problems now.

But instead, our government and many people have turned their back on God, took his laws out of our court houses and schools eliminate public prayer in school, condoned killing babies and embraced homosexuality, fornication and adultery, All against God's will.

To somehow suggest that the government take over of healthcare is doing God's will is a far stretch.

Governments cannot legislate morality. It has already been tried with prohibition and failed miserably.

Morality and the Love of God must come from a free individual heart.

HERE IS HOPE AND CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN;

2ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 10:10 PM

Oh, mikey, mikey, mikey, you are such a good boy at the pick and choose, of making sure to ignore anything that does not fit your attempt to manipulate what a person says, here let me restate what I said,Go back and read ALL of the comment, then you can go crawfish, what ever that stupid thing is-----

the last part of my post says ( really go up there and look, I'm not manipulting my words )

"As a society we need bone to speak out against anyone democrat and yes even your beloved republicans when they behave in this manner. By defending them your no better than they are."

You can find many examples of both parties acting like low life, classless idiots, and to simplify my point for you in a way you may accidentally understand even though it was simple the first time. Other than I left out the word 'back' in back bone.

We ( all of us, you too ) need to tell people who behave badly, are rude, disruptive, ugly, etc... that when they do these things. We should not bow down to the bully actions but speak out against them. NOTE I said both parties. So you little link was just a silly waste of time. I had already remarked against such behavior across the board.

Did you think that by avoiding the end of my post you could manipulate what I was saying?

And are you defending the bad behavior of Republicans who act that way ? I doubt you would not in any way defend a Dem.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 10:32 PM

Everyone with a rational mind knows that the entirety of Tea Party represenitives in Washington did not shout racial slurs or shout out anti-homosexual remarks. It was a few over emotional ignorant fools. And true to form the liberal media pounced like a hungry rat on a piece of cheese, and used these morons as the poster children, for a movement that has gotten people involved in the political process. The overwhelming majority of which are people that are hard working, middle class, tax paying citizens, that are truly concerned about the direction this country is heading.

With the passage of this bill, the IRS will be hiring 16,000 new officers whose responsibilities will be to insure that everyone in this country has Health Care that meets the government's standards. If your insurance falls short of that standard, then the IRS will impose a 2.5% tax on your yearly gross income. So the bill creates the Health Care Gestapo. I wonder if they will be wearing Brown shirts when they look into your insurance files. How will they do this, Oh, that's one of the things that is yet to be worked out, and we have no say in that process because the bill has already passed. So however the government sees fit to enforce this is simply up to them. So when you look at the bill and you actually read what's in it and you don't rely on what you hear on TV, or what you read in the news paper. You kind of under stand why things got a little heated and at times a little out of control when the Tea Party protesters were in Washington. This is a good read enjoy. This is just part of this wonderful Bill.

House Bill H.R.4872 / Sec. 401

SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--

`(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

`(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

-- Posted by docudrama on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 12:57 AM

You know, it seems to me that people are getting so upset about someone yelling and using racial slurs without realizing that those people have a right to voice their frustration.

These people excercising the right to speak are opposing a perceived right to healthcare. Would we deny their right to speak in order to advance another not agreed upon right?

It may be offensive to me at the time, but it certainly had the desired effect. THEIR VOICES WERE HEARD! The media has a much softer, gentler, voice but far louder than the few irrate protestors.

Imagine how upset the media would have been as they filmed the tossing of an entire ships cargo of tea into the Boston harbor. Why the environmental impact alone would be demonized and talked about for months.

The struggle for freedom can get loud and ugly. Ever been on a battlefield?

Place your faith and obedience in God and good things will follow. Place your faith and obedience in government and genocide will follow. That scenario has already been played out repeatedily throughout history.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 5:54 AM

Are you seriously implying that the fact someone is frustrated gives them the right to use racial slurs to express that frustration? Perhaps in a legal sense, but we're not discussing whether or not those racial slurs were legal. We're discussing whether they were appropriate or beneficial.

Passion in politics is a good thing -- it's to be celebrated that people on all sides of this issue care enough about their country that they feel deeply about what should be done. But passion is not an excuse for that kind of behavior. Let's be passionate about issues, not name-calling.

Your argument that the racial slurs somehow made the difference in whether the protestors were heard is weak. If anything, they hurt their own cause by seeming to associate it in some people's minds with racism.

The democratic system is still in place. If anyone doesn't like what this year's Congress is doing or has done, they have every opportunity to support candidates in this year's election who will do things differently. There's still a week left for candidates to file papers in those congressional races. There are plenty of ways for people to get their voices heard without the use of deplorable racist slurs.

Our right to free speech is accompanied by a responsibility to use that right constructively.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 7:53 AM

"These people exercising the right to speak are opposing a perceived right to health care. Would we deny their right to speak in order to advance another not agreed upon right?

It may be offensive to me at the time, but it certainly had the desired effect. THEIR VOICES WERE HEARD! The media has a much softer, gentler, voice but far louder than the few irrate protestors" as pr. liveforlife

liveforlife, yes they do have "freedom of speech" but that does not mean that respectful people must sit back and suck it up we need to let them know that sort of action is unacceptable and not glorify it. When as a country we sit back and do not counter such low class asinine outburst this country looks no better than those clips you see of backwards countries behavior that are shown as comedy. We are better than that, and to sit back and allow that sort of bully, tacky stuff is beneath this country. Yes they have the legal right to freedom of speech, but we also have the same right and instead of using that freedom to encourage and make heroes of those classless ugly folks, we should stand up and tell them to be respectful and that sort of behavior is not acceptable. Tell all that we are better than that and as the people of this country do not want to hear them present their messages in that manner, we should expect proper behavior, yes have your opinions , rally, protest, yell at the top of your lungs, etc but do so as intelligent people who have a cause not a bunch of horses behinds trying to spread nothing better than mob mentality hate.

Americans should set a better example to the world than that. We can't and should not legally do anything, nor would I want to, But as a people we can stand up and tell them we won't listen if it is presented in those manners. We should not reward the bullies. I am speaking across the board here not just tea party. Would you be making excuses, and crying for their rights if it had been a Dem who was accused here? Sadly I think that most here defending the person yelling that day would not do the same if it were done by the opposition.

And as far as using that behavior in the setting such as congress or the senate floor, that is completely unacceptable,the person Dem, Rep, or Independent should be from that point banned and replaced. They are elected to represent us not to at like protesters in a mob, if they want to do that let them be out there with the mobs. With freedom of speech come responsibly, if they are unable to control themselves better than that in a responsible manner they should not be in there representing this great country and her people. Has this country sunk so low that we actually look up to such low life actions? I hope and pray not.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 10:53 AM

"And as far as using that behavior in the setting such as congress or the senate floor, that is completely unacceptable,the person Dem, Rep, or Independent should be from that point banned and replaced. " Posted by wonderwhy

Where was all of this "outrage" when President Bush was booed during his 2005 State of the Union address by the majority of Democrats in Congress? Are you saying that they should have all been removed from office?

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 11:22 AM

To be clear. NO I DO NOT CONDONE SCREAMING RACIAL SLURS. My point was simply that by doing so these people drew attention and were heard.

They do have the right to speak and be heard. Obvously they felt like this was the only way to exercise their and right and be heard. To me, this is indicative of the level of passion for attention that exists.

Not that this type of attention is desirable in any way. However, I beleive if the media didn't continuosly highlight such activity, that it would be less prevalent.

I suppose some folks have trouble expressing themselves in a respectful manner, but if those who did, were actually highlighted more by the media and their points heard and responded to appropriately. Then I believe those who shout out for attention, yet do not get it, would resort to a method that is more effective.

We have popular shows that make a point of showing bad behavior. Do you think people tune in to Howard Sterne for the intellectual content? It is human nature to run towards a fight no matter who is right or wrong.

Our right to free speech is accompanied by a responsibility to use that right constructively.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 7:53 AM

I completely agree! With rights and freedoms come responsibility. The media has the largest responsibility here. Who do they turn the cameras on when the shouting starts? Why? Is it constructive?

Increasing levels of frustration will arise when the government tries to override the will of the people. That is what the Boston Tea party was all about. I am sure there was cursing and slurs present there as well. Not that it was good thing, but it was effective and the point was made.

Shouting usually preceeds violence. I do not condone or recommend either one. I was simply trying to state the cause and effect.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 12:23 PM

Are you seriously implying that the fact someone is frustrated gives them the right to use racial slurs to express that frustration?

-- Posted by Jicarney on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 7:53 AM

That is a good question. Where does your right to speak begin and end? Does anyone have the right to use a racial slur or any insulting words? Should there be sensorship on our rights?

If it is a right, then WE have to defend the rights of people to make bad decisions. WE also have to hold the person(s) responsible for their actions. Personally, not through legislation or media ridicule of an entire group.

Have we become such a politically correct society that we can't intervene at the time an injustice is being served? Do we just stand by, let it happen, dial 911, or point fingers?

Would you not intervene when someone is being assaulted? Personally, I would and have. Perhaps someone did in this case, but of that we have no report.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 1:08 PM

Thom, there is a big difference between booing, and calling somebody a lier or baby killer. Yes the booing was out of line, both sides continue the tacky behavior. It should by all means be addressed, whats next brawls on the floor like that other country had?

By the sound of your comment you give the impression that you liked what he did, after all you are defending him. As long as people like you find these things impressive it we will continue this downward spiral. It should have been addressed and stopped with the booing so it would not have progressed to the name calling.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 2:20 PM

What is wrong with calling someone a liar or baby killer if both are true (they were in these cases).

Would you prefer folks sit idly by and just swallow what they are being spoon fed?

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 2:34 PM

Wonderwhy . . . I think the word is liar, not lier. Anyway, if being called a "liar" is the worst insult a person ever faces in their life then they really have it made. If someone tells an untruth then they deserved to be called a liar. Do you not believe in telling the truth?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 3:11 PM

wonderwhy - I believe in calling a spade a spade. When someone is lying, call them out on it. We've stood idly by while our federal government has taken over so many aspects of our daily lives that we can't do anything anymore without some involvement by them.

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 3:56 PM

There is a thing called being respectable. I expect those in Washington representing me to act as such. Yelling out accusation is low class , if you feel someone is not telling the truth, present the facts in a respectable intelligent manner like an educated , reasonable adult. To act like a school yard bully and yell out insults and accusations with out anything to back yourself is not the proper way to do things.

Our representative should be held to higher standards. You may be impressed by the cheap theatrics and stupid actions but most educated, intelligent people only see it as undesirable low class antics. We do not elect people to act that way, they are expected to know how to control themselves. Whats next brawling in the isles? I have a feeling the group of you would be real impressed by that sort of WWE mentality. As for the spade comment, I bet you would and do , do just that.

Thom, there are rules and standards set up in the senate and congress, proper behavior is to be respected and followed.

Mike, a liar? Show me the facts he based his accusation on. Baby killer show me the facts there too. Your so big on talk be a big boy and back yourself, and by the way go back and answer my other questions you so cutely side stepped as usual.

It amazes me the way some of you guys are so impressed by such ignorant actions. The actions are more fit for the trailer trash mentality of Jerry Springer than Washington law makers. If you find that stuff impressive, it says a lot about you and your way of life.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM

As for the spade comment, I bet you would and do , do just that. - wonderwhy

I would like to know exactly what you're trying to say here.

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 10:00 PM

The same way you did. They were your words, and I believed what you said.

"I believe in calling a spade a spade. When someone is lying, call them out on it." These were your words not mine.....................

Heck all I'm saying is people need to be responsible for their actions, that it is improper to act out on the Senate and Congress floors, that we should have facts to back accusations and present them in a respectable manner not like we belong on the Jerry Springer show. You are giving your all to dispute that and defend the antics of those who show disrespect for the position they have been elected and trusted to do as intelligent responsible adults. Even a kindergartner knows better than to yell out in such a disrespectful manner, they know there are right and wrong ways to do things. Would you think it was right and honorable for someone to call you a liar in a formal setting because they did not agree with you without giving the facts to back it up?

Perhaps you were never taught any better, I don't know. If all a person knows is rude and uncouth mannerisms this would not seem wrong to them. But you sound better educated than that, so my guess is your just too intent on protecting anything republican to be able to look at the core of the behavior and see it as simply out of line. My point has nothing to do with party lines, I spoke out about behavior across the board, rep, dem ,independent what ever. They acted out of line, they were rude, disruptive, and cowardly. They had no intention of being constructive only destructive. That is what people tend to do when they can't back their words with facts.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 12:04 AM

Wonderwhy,

obama said that obamacare would not provide health care to illegal aliens. While it is true that the bill states that illegals are not eligible to receive government care, there is absolutely no method of determining whether a person is illegal or not.

In fact, Dean Heller proposed a bill that would require the use of "Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements", which is already in use in several other programs, to check immigrant status, but it was voted down along party lines.

All illegals have to do to receive free treatment is lie about their status. We all know they would never do that!!

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If I hired an assassin to murder my neighbor, I would be guilty of murder, even though I didn't do the killing. Likewise, anyone who voted for this bill is guilty of killing babies, even if they didn't personally stab the aspirator into the womb, they made it happen.

If anyone believes obama's executive order will be heeded, ask yourself one question: Why didn't pro-abortion congressmen jump ship after the announcement?

Stupak changed his vote because of millions in promised deals, the deal to refurbish airports in his district is already making news, more will be revealed in coming weeks.

-- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 5:50 AM

Actually, according to the Rep. from Texas that shouted, he said "It's a baby killer"...not that it really matters.

My point is that just because these people have jobs as representatives, they are still people. They have bursts of passion and rage just like everyone else.

Just like the Vice President dropping the "F-bomb" yesterday. Everyone seems to be screaming about that too but I don't really think it's that big of a deal. Although it would have been better had he not said it with a microphone nearby.

Censoring someone's freedom of speech in Congress, the entity that is supposedly in place to protect our rights, just seems wrong to me. Do I think it's a bit tacky to have outbursts like that? Yes I do, but we all have moments like that and I don't really expect our Representatives to be held to such a higher standard than the rest of us that they're not allowed to speak their mind...and occasionally have a momentary lapse of decorum.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 8:45 AM

Thom, I guess your willing to settle for lower standards from those we elect than I do. I expect them to be able to control themselves and present their passion in a respectable manner. I have never said they should not present their views only that they have been trusted to do so properly, respectfully. They represent this country, and should be held to higher standards than those who act like school yard bullies.

As for The F-bomb, he did not yell it as an insult towards anyone, and it was not intended to attract attention.He was attempting to say it Obamas ear, on the opposite side of the camera. I do not condone it, same as the others he should be in better control of what comes out of his mouth and present his views in proper manners.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 11:07 AM

Apparently, my comment didn't make it.

Wonderwhy,

Do you have proof that it was a "Red" that shouted this slur? Please...cite the link that shows your proof. As I recall, Libs accused Repubs of bussing people in to Town Hall meetings...Is the "SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT????"

-- Posted by TubeSock on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 11:18 AM

So, wonderwhy, in your opinion, now that Joe Biden has voiced his opinion in an inappropriate manner, he should step down and be replaced?

Because he should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.

Do you hold the President to this higher standard as well? He's representing the entire country.

The Representatives that had outbursts were there to represent their districts and, judging by the amount of money that Joe Wilson has raised in campaign funds since this happened, his district is fine with what he did. How is it any of our business what he does since he doesn't represent us, Bart Gordon does (allegedly).

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 11:53 AM

Well David, tell me something. Why should anyone bother posting anything in the comments to any of your "stories" when all you're going to do is delete the post if you don't like what it says? As evidence, I present the above posting I left that says, "Just for clarification, by "Red" in my above post, I mean Communist Red!

-- Posted by BobBobBob on Mon, Mar 22, 2010, at 5:27 PM" that I posted immediately below the post I was referring to, but the referenced post is no where to be found. Wonder why not? Could it be because I called you out for what you are? You rapid liberals are all alike, you always parade and grandstand on the US Constitution when ever no one wants to hear you, but you STOMP all over it when you don't want to hear someone of the opposing view point.

-- Posted by BobBobBob on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 9:27 PM

""Wonderwhy,

obama said that obamacare would not provide health care to illegal aliens. While it is true that the bill states that illegals are not eligible to receive government care, there is absolutely no method of determining whether a person is illegal or not.

In fact, Dean Heller proposed a bill that would require the use of "Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements", which is already in use in several other programs, to check immigrant status, but it was voted down along party lines.

All illegals have to do to receive free treatment is lie about their status. We all know they would never do that!!" quietmike

MIKEY what does any of that have to do with acting like respectable intelligent people? What does that have to do with anything I was referring to?? Here look again at what I said:

"Heck all I'm saying is people need to be responsible for their actions, that it is improper to act out on the Senate and Congress floors, that we should have facts to back accusations and present them in a respectable manner not like we belong on the Jerry Springer show. You are giving your all to dispute that and defend the antics of those who show disrespect for the position they have been elected and trusted to do as intelligent responsible adults. Even a kindergartner knows better than to yell out in such a disrespectful manner, they know there are right and wrong ways to do things. Would you think it was right and honorable for someone to call you a liar in a formal setting because they did not agree with you without giving the facts to back it up?"

please point out where your comment is related in any way????

I will guess it is your attempt to say that republican representatives are incapable of presenting their stance with facts, and solutions so they must act a like a jerk to get their point across. Personally I think you underestimate their abilities. If they were held accountable for their trashy behavior they would not act that way. IF they had the FACTS they would use them. But instead the play drama queen and throw out cheap theatrics to impress people like you who will defend them no matter what they do, no matter how low they crawl. (All the representatives need to act respectfully and be held accountable, even yours)

Again, in very simple words, they are grown ups, not kindergarten school yard bullies, and should act like educated,respectable, adults when they are representing this great country and her people. Educated people expect better.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM

MIKEY what does any of that have to do with acting like respectable intelligent people? What does that have to do with anything I was referring to?? Here look again at what I said:

-- Posted by wonderwhy

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Let's all have a look shall we?

You wrote:

Mike, a liar? Show me the facts he based his accusation on. Baby killer show me the facts there too. Your so big on talk be a big boy and back yourself...

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM

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So I posted the facts that made the liar and baby comments truthful.

Are you this confused on a daily basis? I beieve I am starting to understand why you support universal government care-in your case it may very well be warranted!

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:35 AM

" The Representatives that had outbursts were there to represent their districts and, judging by the amount of money that Joe Wilson has raised in campaign funds since this happened, his district is fine with what he did. How is it any of our business what he does since he doesn't represent us, Bart Gordon does (allegedly). " posted by Thom

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SO in this train of though your saying if a district raises enough money their representatives can act anyway they choose as long as their district does not complain? Well what if the district is from inner cities that are ruled with guns and brass knuckles, mafia mentality?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:41 AM

bama said that obamacare would not provide health care to illegal aliens. While it is true that the bill states that illegals are not eligible to receive government care, there is absolutely no method of determining whether a person is illegal or not.

In fact, Dean Heller proposed a bill that would require the use of "Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements", which is already in use in several other programs, to check immigrant status, but it was voted down along party lines.

All illegals have to do to receive free treatment is lie about their status. We all know they would never do that!!" quietmike

Mikey, thus far these are all "FEARS" until the bill is in force and been in use we will not know exactly how they have set up the verification process so there is no FACTS available as to weather it is enforced or not. Only fear mongering and predictions. Hopefully BOTH parties will get the tools in place to be able to enforce it properly. WE can not prevent lies or stop every crook, common sense would dictate that. Someone will always find away to get around a system, it is how it is handled once they are found that will make a difference. Nothing is fool proof.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:49 AM

Actually, what I'm saying is that the constituents of Joe Wilson obviously didn't mind him speaking his mind during the joint session of Congress the way he did. That was evident by the substantial increase in campaign donations immediately following the outburst. The Representatives are there to represent their constituents. It is the responsibility of their constituents to deal with their respective Representatives regarding their behavior in Congress. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some shame associated with certain behaviors, but as far as replacing a Senator or Representative, it's none of our concern unless they represent us or commit a crime while in office.

Additionally, are you saying that the inner cities are run by people with guns and brass knuckles, and the mafia? That sounds a bit like you're stereotyping. Not something that the rest of your left-leaning friends would approve of I would imagine.

However, this particular blog was discussing the way a very few people that were present outside the Capitol last weekend had acted, this discussion of the Congressmen really isn't related. Currently, nobody knows who these people were, or even if they were part of the Tea Party movement. They could very well have been people from the left that decided it would make their position look better if the media heard those derogatory comments yelled from the Tea Party bunch. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM

"Additionally, are you saying that the inner cities are run by people with guns and brass knuckles, and the mafia?'

Thom, You seem educated enough to know I did not mean it that way, but as an example to make a point.

The point I have been making about setting an example is being backed by the actions on the streets now, the threats and violent out bursts that are using this guys words to fuel them, they are quoting him. He started something ( not intentionally) and the loonies are running with it. Thus my point of being held to a higher standard becasue they set exampled. No he did not say do the horrible things being done, but he provided a foundation for them to act from. They think they are backing him and his cause. Our leaders need to lead us to the good not the other way around.

Just becasue they provide a lot of "money" does not make it to go to any extreme to back them. Intelligence and control should be used.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:32 AM

What is wrong with calling someone a liar or baby killer if both are true (they were in these cases).

Would you prefer folks sit idly by and just swallow what they are being spoon fed?

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 2:34 PM

Well Mike , by your comment above I see you are doing the best you can. You have no clue that it is very childish to call names and act like a school yard bully. Most parents teach kids at a early age better control than that, nobody likes a bully.

No Mike I don't prefer anyone to sit backand do nothing. What I prefer them to do? I would prefer they act like respectable adults, get real facts they can back up (not assumptions and fear mongering) then stand up and intelligently in a useful productive manner present their causes. I would prefer they not pander to those who are shallow and impressed by silly kiddie bully games like name calling. I would prefer that all parties act like civilized Americans with class ,not like little back woods heathens. I set my standards for them above those of radical groups in the street.

If you have heard the news today the behavior you respect - name calling bully tactics, have set off some very radical loony individuals, on both sides. They are taking it a step further and some are using the words he spewed as their slogan. It has escalated into what if not gotten under control could be come very dangerous for many people. Reasonable people expect better in America. We are not Bagdad.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 1:45 PM

Wonderwhy,

Pray tell how there can be enforcement of a part of a program unless that enforcement is written into the plan at the outset?

Once a law is voted on and passed, that is the law. For Both parties to get tools in place to enforce it properly an amendment will have to be introduced, voted on, and passed.

If the intention was to weed out illegals, why wasn't this done as part of the original bill?

It's not like no one knew it wasn't in there.

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 3:13 PM

I would prefer they act like respectable adults, get real facts they can back up (not assumptions and fear mongering) then stand up and intelligently in a useful productive manner present their causes. I would prefer they not pander to those who are shallow and impressed by silly kiddie bully games like name calling. I would prefer that all parties act like civilized Americans with class ,not like little back woods heathens. I set my standards for them above those of radical groups in the street.

-- Posted by wonderwhy

Would that also include insinuating that anyone who doesn't support a president, and everything he does, must be a racist?

Or that not supporting obamacare equates to wishing all poor people would die?

Are those some of the bully tactics of which you speak?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 3:16 PM

Umm silly once again you ignore what you choose to, I have held all parties to account for their actions, I notice here that you guys only seem to stand up for the rep's rights, they only hold the left accountable and think anything the right does is wonderful and great. How partisan is that? But that just who you guys are.

Mike I'll break down your stupid points for you and explain them for you once again in simple terms you might be able to digest.

(1st), you said "Would that also include insinuating that anyone who doesn't support a president, and everything he does, must be a racist?"

----- only if they present their selves using racial slurs. Not just because they don't like them. Not all who dislike him do so because of his color. Here perhaps this definition will help you understand.

rac·ism

1.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.

a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.

hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

(2nd),Or that not supporting obamacare equates to wishing all poor people would die?"

---------- This depends, on what they say their reason for not wanting reform, you have made it clear if a persons pay check is not big enough to pay the high cost of health care you consider them unworthy for medical care coverage - yes I consider that you would just as soon let um die, your words have shown that attitude. I consider your use of "obamacare" as you being to manipulated by right wing talking points to really have any opinions they have not spoon fed you, the puppet talk gives me that impression of you.

(3rd).Are those some of the bully tactics of which you speak?

bully tactics , are not a form of opinion but a form of abusive behavior.

so no "not supporting" something is not bulling, but if you threaten or harm someone to make them support it then you are bulling them. Weren't ever taught about what a bully is?

so if you don't want the pres because of his color that again is an opinion not and action.... Bulling is an ACTION, not just holding an opinion. May I suggest you go do some research on what bulling is, your question shows you do not have a clue about it's meaning.

Some of the tactics I refer to are, calling names, throwing rocks through windows, yell racial slurs, death threats, ect.....see these are ACTIONS not opinions.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 7:56 PM

(snip)but if you threaten or harm someone to make them support it then you are bulling them.(snip)

-- Posted by wonderwhy

So, by your definition, obama and all the democrats who voted for obamacare are bullies since the threat of fines and jail time for refusing to participate in it are definitely harmful.

Thanks!

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 8:24 PM

There, cleared that right up.

Except I've looked for a definition of "bulling" but couldn't find anything except on m-w.com they mention that it's a derivation of the intransitive verb "bull" which could mean "to advance forcefully"...sounds like what just happened with this bill.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 8:38 PM

Well you searched for an animal action(bulling) not what we were talking about. Once again you are smart enough to know I left out a letter ( at least I hope you are) but to make it easy for you here I got you the definition you knew you should be looking for ( your play on spelling was childish at best)

here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying

Bullying is a form of abuse. It comprises repeated acts over time that involves a real or perceived imbalance of power with the more powerful individual or group abusing those who are less powerful.[2] The power imbalance may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a target.

Bullying consists of three basic types of abuse - emotional, verbal and physical. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion such as psychological manipulation. Bullying can be defined in many different ways. Although the UK currently has no legal definition of bullying,[3] some US states have laws against it.[4]

Bullying in school and the workplace is also referred to as peer abuse.[5] Robert W. Fuller has analyzed bullying in the context of rankism.

Bullying can occur in any context in which human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church, the workplace, home and neighborhoods. It is even a common push factor in migration. Bullying can exist between social groups, social classes and even between countries

Bullying is a form of abuse. It comprises repeated acts over time that involves a real or perceived imbalance of power with the more powerful individual or group abusing those who are less powerful.[2] The power imbalance may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a target.

Bullying consists of three basic types of abuse - emotional, verbal and physical. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion such as psychological manipulation. Bullying can be defined in many different ways. Although the UK currently has no legal definition of bullying,[3] some US states have laws against it.[4]

Bullying in school and the workplace is also referred to as peer abuse.[5] Robert W. Fuller has analyzed bullying in the context of rankism.

Bullying can occur in any context in which human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church, the workplace, home and neighborhoods. It is even a common push factor in migration. Bullying can exist between social groups, social classes and even between countries

Bullying is a form of abuse. It comprises repeated acts over time that involves a real or perceived imbalance of power with the more powerful individual or group abusing those who are less powerful.[2] The power imbalance may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a target.

Bullying consists of three basic types of abuse - emotional, verbal and physical. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion such as psychological manipulation. Bullying can be defined in many different ways. Although the UK currently has no legal definition of bullying,[3] some US states have laws against it.[4]

Bullying in school and the workplace is also referred to as peer abuse.[5] Robert W. Fuller has analyzed bullying in the context of rankism.

Bullying can occur in any context in which human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church, the workplace, home and neighborhoods. It is even a common push factor in migration. Bullying can exist between social groups, social classes and even between countries

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:17 PM

Hey! Thanks for clearing that up. By the way, it wasn't MY "childish" play on spelling, I spelled it the same way you did. It's not my fault if you spelled the same word incorrectly numerous times in the same post.

By the way, pasting the same Wikipedia entry three times in the same post doesn't necessarily make for a stimulating dialog.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:30 PM

Does repetitiveness count as a form of bullying? :-)

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:30 PM

I believe it would.

The Italians used to "bully" people by strapping them down and dripping water on their foreheads...repetitively. We know this as "Chinese water torture" :)

So should we call this Chinese Wiki Torture?

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:38 PM

Thom, your last post was a great attempt at ignorance. You have no desire to address the actions of those who have your view, anything goes for your guys. You defend their actions.

Martin Luther King, Jr., 1963.

Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true." -- Martin Luther King, Jr., 1963.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 1:09 PM

"Thom, your last post was a great attempt at ignorance. "

How can one "attempt" to be ignorant? I thought that ignorance was the lack of knowledge. I would be willing to bet (figure of speech, officer) that most people reading this were not aware that the "Chinese water torture" was not used by the Chinese but rather by the Italians. I believe this would be more of an indication of knowledge than ignorance, which is defined as a lack of knowledge...but I'm sure you already knew that and were just trying to be pompous.

-- Posted by Thom on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 1:29 PM

Ok I'll take away the "attempt" in my comment and say to compare the bullying going on to Chinese torture is ignorant. ( I was giving you the benefit of the doubt ) And basically who cares who did it.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 6:29 PM

OR maybe your reading comprehension skills are lacking a bit. What I said was your repetitive posts are tantamount to Chinese water torture, which wasn't Chinese at all, but Italian.

Sorry if you weren't able to follow along. I'll try to make my points simpler in the future so that you can play too.

-- Posted by Thom on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 9:19 PM

Whatever happened to all those outright lies about death panels? I suppose when all other fear tactics fail, try try again.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Mar 27, 2010, at 10:00 PM

When the lawmaker act in a manner that is "immature", then that type of response is going to happen. How many years of tastless Bush jokes and nasty snide rmarks were there. Now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone gets all upset. The fact is comments are deleted on a regular basis when the paper or its bloggers see an opposing view to what they think the "proper" response should be. The fact is the left and liberals are giddy with power. The queation is how long will their ability to tax and spend last when they have ran every business into the ground with the prosperity tax? now I wonder how long it will be before this comment is deleted because we are not dumb and blind...outonthefarm

-- Posted by outonthefarm on Sun, Mar 28, 2010, at 10:43 AM

Pres Obama has condemned the heinous acts of violence against our politicians. This is very interesting to me. He did a good job of not pointing a finger in any specific direction, but unfortunately, other Senators and Representatives have not.

Why do we not have such vehement condemnation, finger pointing, and name calling when a Muslim suicide bomber attacks?

-- Posted by TubeSock on Mon, Mar 29, 2010, at 9:38 AM

It's not politically correct to call a terrorist a "terrorist".

-- Posted by Thom on Mon, Mar 29, 2010, at 12:25 PM

It's not politically correct to call a terrorist a "terrorist".

-- Posted by Thom

It's not politically correct to mention obama's middle name.

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 29, 2010, at 1:34 PM


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