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That recurring lie

Posted Wednesday, January 5, 2011, at 3:29 PM

The GOP keeps claiming that the Obama health plan includes "death panels."

All that's going on is simply that Medicare will pay for one yearly counseling session between individuals and physicians on how they -- the patient -- want end-of-life issues to be handled.

No more, no less. The "death panel" claim is an example of how far some politicians and their supporters will spread untruths. To claim that the rule will lead to something further is far-fetched.


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Who's "The GOP"...source, please...thanks.

-- Posted by dkd57 on Wed, Jan 5, 2011, at 6:19 PM

Oh, you mean the part that's not in there that they're removing? That part?

The vast majority of conservatives don't honestly believe they're "death panels", but the liberal media/bloggers feel the need to keep bringing it up as such just to make the entire conservative base look like rubes. Kind of like the slang term for a sexual practice that they are so fond of calling the Tea Party movement...in a feeble attempt to seem clever and witty.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Jan 5, 2011, at 6:27 PM

Blame it on the media!

-- Posted by jdem on Wed, Jan 5, 2011, at 8:15 PM

In my area, I've seen the term used more in "Letters to the Editor". And you know that they were coming from conservatives as they always call it "Obamacare".

-- Posted by Tyger on Wed, Jan 5, 2011, at 9:48 PM

Uhhhh not so fast my friend (shameless Lee Corso imitation)

The new (and unconfirmed due to a recess appointment) head of CMS is a big fan of the NHS. The NHS is the National Health Service of the UK. They in fact do have "death panels" which determine end of life treatment. For that matter, beginning and middle of life treatment. I can tell you it's not all based on "evidence based" medicine either. Much of it is determined by cost. Since the NHS is the largest employer (and budget item) in the UK, there's a heck of a lot of cost.

Sorry I've been in this business long enough jaded. But it's only because the federal government has given me reason.

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Wed, Jan 5, 2011, at 11:03 PM

After hearing a little about the "Death Panels" it would seem David is right. There is no provision in the LAW for any such panel.

However, there WAS a provision originally included in the BILL that included a review by a panel of doctors. This was referred to as the "Death Panel". That provision was struck down and removed before the Bill became Law.

However, the concern is that the ideology that would evaluate and recommend end of life treatments to patients based on $$$$$ ???? Law?,,, is presumed to persist and that there will be an end run around the law by bureaucrats or executive order aimed at controlling healthcare costs among the elderly which constitute the highest group of healthcare consumption.

I personally do not trust a government run healthcare system to be run any better than any other government systems which are already riddled with fraud, corruption, mismanagement, and debt. (TennCare) I do not expect new powers to be handled any better that the old ones.

Law=Justice, one cannot do injustice to any individual or group through taxation or legislation and be justified in doing so.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Jan 6, 2011, at 11:08 AM

Bipartisan politics paired with the head-hunting, sensationalist media have ruined the country. 24 hour news organizations should be put to sleep. Faux News and MSNBC - both of which are socially irresponsible - have pandered to the gullible, idiotic demographic on paper. Unfortunately, it works. Everyone NEEDS some conspiracy theory or "mystery" to get on with their life. Facts have taken a back-seat to cheap sensationalism. History also gets egregiously ignored.

Universal healthcare does in fact work for large portions of the world (those who aren't causally interested in saving the money for their own rich ass). No on wants to listen to anyone else anymore, and weigh-in negative and positive aspects of policy - that is above all, FAIR. I propose to bring back sanity and rationality; to forgo 24 hour sensationalist news, and the "I believe the first thing someone tells me" attitude. No mystery, no witch hunt...just the real world.

-- Posted by Jazzy on Fri, Jan 7, 2011, at 8:23 PM

All I can say is that the Health Care plan as it stands will kill this country, economically. There are a lot of good points to the bill. But there is so much garbage tagged on to it that the cost will kill us. Death panel or not, it cost to freakin much. Why am I and all other working Americans going to have to be responsible for those who refuse to work. You hear it every day, "my baby mama don't work because she will loose food stamps, section eight housing, and health care." "We don't get married, cause we will start having to pay regular rent." This is what we are paying for, when we buy into the Health Care Plan, we just perpetuate the welfare state, and keep producing more people that vote the Democratic ticket or should I say vote the Meal ticket.

-- Posted by docudrama on Sat, Jan 8, 2011, at 1:01 PM

How about the one the politicians tell about the health care law reducing the national deficit? Before anybody says it, I know what CBO says. Just keep slinging mud on the GOP and maybe something will stick.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 1:59 AM

Not if the nuts keep coming to the call for violence "lock and load", "settle it with the 2nd amendment" calls from the rabid right ---- they have one down and how many more to go? Is Palin updating her cross hairs? I have not heard her or any of the others who use her mentality of bubba control come out and denounce their calls for shoot-um up politics.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 2:25 PM

wonderwhy - How about this great quote from June 12, 2008: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"

I haven't heard the person that gave us this quote come out and denounce his "calls for shoot-um up politics.", as you put it.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. That nut-case was a lefty...one of YOUR people. The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, those aren't right-wing reads as they both promote a larger role for the government. Even his one of his classmates referred to him as a left-wing extremist. But don't feel bad, the Washington Post heard that a democrat was shot and posted on their site that she was killed by an ex-military member who was a Tea Party protester. Strange, thing though, you can find that nowhere on their site now. Oh, and he wasn't in the military, just tried to enlist and was denied.

By the way, the quote above was from Senator Barack H. Obama.

-- Posted by Thom on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 6:09 PM

I find it ironic in the aftermath of this recent tragedy and with the calls of politicians to tone down the rhetoric, the left is using this as an excuse to ramp up their non stop vitriol against Sarah Palin. It's a little presumptive at this point for anyone to assume they understand Loughner's politics or influences if he has any that are comprehensible.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 6:56 PM

Judging by the transcripts of some of his lunatic rantings in his videos, his ramblings are barely coherent. Ok, they're not at all coherent as he seems to change topic mid-sentence and really has no idea what he's talking about. Seriously, this guy would complain about the illiteracy of people yet he was hardly an example of one with a command of the English language.

-- Posted by Thom on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 7:38 PM

I read a news article on yahoo that said the administration is more likely to have trouble funding medicare than healthcare. Without Medicare what good is healthcare. That is set up for the seniors, so it isn't that important to the rest of the country, I guess?

Hey! Maybe they can force everyone to pay for Medicare again also, while they are forced to pay for healthcare!

Mmmm, could that be leading to a "death panel" for seniors in this country?

I guess, asking for pay for one yearly counseling session between individuals and physicians on how they -- the patient -- want end-of-life issues to be handled will be out of the question in the near future.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jan 19, 2011, at 6:08 PM


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David Melson is a copy editor and staff writer for the Times-Gazette.