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Attention, cheerleading lady:

Posted Monday, July 21, 2008, at 5:22 PM

Disk golf is played like regular golf. The players proceed through a course. This means that, if you see me standing in the middle of the field where you plan to have cheerleading practice 10 or 15 minutes from now, it shouldn't concern you in the slightest. Five minutes from now, I will be long gone, whether you say anything to me or not. That's the nature of the game. Your field is the one place in the universe I am guaranteed not to be 10 minutes from now.

There may be other players behind me on the course. There's no guarantee that they won't show up while your girls are in the middle of some routine. But that's between you and them.

Are we clear?


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Some of you keep talking about the children practicing at school. This is the Shelbyville Pee Wee League, and they don't represent any one certain school. My daughter has been cheering with this squad for three years, and they have always practiced in the same place. The cheerleading coach was never told that spot was reserved for disk golf. She was just simply stating that her team was having a meeting there, which is where they always meet. I just think the statement "Are we clear?" sounds a little rude. Coach C is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. I'm sure she certainly didn't mean to offend anyone.

-- Posted by syd37160 on Tue, Aug 12, 2008, at 1:20 AM

I'm for everyone having a right to use any part of the park. After all....it's our park and our tax dollars.....BUT WAIT

Try to go to the baseball fields with your child. You can only use the rock covered mess close to the pavillions. Can't get on the little league fields or they will run you off. Can't get on the soccer field beside the softball fields either...again...they run you off.

Someone needs to tell the parks people that they park belongs to everyone. They have grounds keepers all over the place, so it the fields get a little messed up, they will finally have something to do.

-- Posted by sameoldstory on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:02 AM

I know the "Cheerleading Lady" and I know what she said "We are fixin' to have a meeting here" and Mr.Carney said "I'm moving on" she was just letting him know that there was going to be a lot of people showing up. I just wanted to let you know she never asked him to move! I haven't heard any complaints since this one. The football players have one where they are practicing and noone has complained about that! We the cheerleaders have now moved our location. I want to let you know I was not whining about the heat for myself we do have some girls that have asthma and it is a little easier on them. Everything will be alright with us!!! Wonder where Mr. Carney went in all of this discussion he kinda just vamped. I give him props for the point he can make an uproar happen.

-- Posted by babyboo on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 3:58 PM

...I would assume that this whole disc-golf game was created for everyone to use and the Recreation Center would have found a solution one day sooner if there would have been some human interaction instead of a blog.

-- Posted by insideout on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 10:44 AM

That is part of my point. The other part is that Mr. Carney is the one who started the "blog".

-- Posted by nellie on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 11:18 AM

Jax,

If you READ the post, it never said that the cheerleading lady was ill or upset. Mr. Carney actually posted that his original post may have made her sound harsh than she was.

His "point" was his frustration.... WHAT? That someone else might ask you to move because of an event. Another human talking to him seemed to be the problem. There was no blog involved. It seemed that it was a discussion and then it was over. He reacted... and then the last line says he hoped if the other players and the coach had a sense of humor if they were in the way.... guess that might have meant they had human interactions and were not bloggers.

The "point" was originally not about the youth sports vs. rec. park scheduling vs. adult exercise. Seems to me it was a place to vent some frustration about someone who was the bigger person and confronted Mr. T-G, "she probably didn't recognize me", about something simple.

I would assume that this whole disc-golf game was created for everyone to use and the Recreation Center would have found a solution one day sooner if there would have been some human interaction instead of a blog.

-- Posted by insideout on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 10:44 AM

I don't know if the cheerleading coach commented to any other players but she didn't use her position to have her opinion published in a newspaper.

John Carney is the one who chose to mouth off by using his blog to whine about her speaking to him!! It is hypocritical that he plays up his mission trip then turns around and complains about something so juvenile.

Adults complaining about youth activities taking precedent over adult activities was addressed in other comments which perhaps some people need to go back and review.

-- Posted by nellie on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 7:56 AM

How am I being self centered? If everytime I go to the park and can't play because of leagues or team events then how is that fair to me? I am the one who is compromising all the time . . . sounds more like the leagues and teams are the selfish ones.

I have yet to have anyone answer that question . . .which is the BIG PICTURE!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 7:27 AM

Nellie, John Carney wasnt making a big deal out of it . . . it was the cheerleading lady who was making the big deal and expressing her displeasure when all she had to do was wait five minutes and he would be off the course.

I wish people in here would actually READ what is written instead of just mouthing off!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM

I was a member of the rec center since it first opened until I became discouraged with it's lack of any programs that fit my schedule--and it was never because they put a youth activity as more priority so I'm not one of the "many" that have been complaining for years.

I still say they didn't do a very good job of planning if the cheerleaders had been using that same area for 12 years and didn't put them anywhere else after the course was laid out. How many people besides Mr. Carney complained to the rec center about the cheerleaders being there?

I hope he isn't involved in any youth groups, or anyone else who has complained about organized youth activities, because I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to such negative attitudes.

Maybe we need to build another park and rec center--one for adults and one for kids. I can almost bet which one would be used more regularly. I might just have to make a point of driving thru the park to see how many "adults" are actually playing frisbee golf or tennis or anything.

-- Posted by nellie on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM

Mr Carney was only reiterating what many of us have said for years.

Regarding the sun, as both a kid and an adult I have played many tennis tournaments in the sun (tennis courts are asphalt you know) and played many ballgames in locales much hotter and more humid than this. I have also trained dance team members in the shadeless areas in the July heat and everyone was just fine.

There was a tennis tournament this weekend featuring players both young and old. Newsflash: no one died.

-- Posted by gottago on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 9:30 PM

Are football players wearing pads now and do all of them practice in the sun all the time? And how much of the frisbee course is in the sun?

If the area in question had been assigned to the cheerleaders in past years, then maybe the parks people should have put more thought into planning another "sport" where they had routinely been practicing.

Adults have more options with how to spend their time when they are not working. Kids have limited choices, and , since they do not work, they have much more time on their hands which needs to be filled with something constructive--NOT destructive.

If Mr. Carney hadn't made such a big deal about it, then everyone could have worked around it.

Anyone who has complained that rec league sports interferes with their entertainment needs to take full advantage of everything the parks dept provides--so get off your fanny and get out to the frisbee golf course!

-- Posted by nellie on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 4:17 PM

Whether we play disk golf or not is completely irrevelant. The course is a dedicated disk golf space and should be used for that purpose. It's not like you can go anywhere else at the park to play disk golf, but the cheerleaders can certainly cheer elsewhere.

Regarding the heat, a little perspective is in order here. The football players practice n full pads and gear. That, miss whiny, is heat.

People need to get over their kids.

-- Posted by gottago on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Now everyone should be happy! Our girls have been moved to another spot in the park (after 12 years) where there is no shade. I hope all is happy now when our kids are out in the heat at practice. I was there the day this had happened after this encounter and there was one more Disk Golfer that was very nice and moved on. Thank you for your kindness. I am through talking about this and hope you guys are happy you probably don't even play disk golf!!!

-- Posted by babyboo on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Excuse me for not being self centered. If being self centered is part of your BIG PICTURE I prefer to miss the BIG PICTURE, as usual!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Dianatn is definitely missing the BIG PICTURE . . . as usual. She just assumes we are ranting about children but in regards to tennis, it's adults and teenagers that exist in the leagues and high school teams and it is children and adults who miss out on playing when these teams play . . . not just adult.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Regarding adult programs--I haven't found any times at the Rec center convenient for the programs I might want to utilize and it is not because they are allowing youth programs to practice, etc. It is probably because they can't find instructors for the times I want or poor planning for my convenience.

I do wonder why they would schedule any kind of practice where the course is laid out. I haven't seen it because I quit going to the park when my kids got older.

Those of you who resent kid activities don't need to complain about them being on the streets or loitering in parking lots, the theatre, etc.

I also hope that Mr. Carney did a better job of expressing himself on his recent mission trip.

-- Posted by nellie on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 8:39 AM

No one said youth rec programs were school sponsored. The point remains that the rec department chooses to prioritze youth activites at the expense of adults AND other kids that do not participate. You seem to be missing the big picture and am willing to bet you do not participate in any of these adult sports or activites(tennis,frisbee golf,swimming) that are put on the backburner or cancelled all together.

There is never an excuse to take a dedicated space and use it for something totally unrelated.

-- Posted by gottago on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 PM

I suggest if you don't like sharing a PUBLIC park with the chiiilldreeen you should join the Country Club or play in your back yard. The swim teams are not school functions they are rec center functions so it has nothing to do with your argument.

Schools do not allow children to just use their grounds if there is an injury who do you think would be responsible?

I have lived a lot of places in my lifetime and never in my entire life have I seen such people as these in Shelbyville. There is nothing in this town for our youth except a small amount of sports and limited places they are allowed to play but yet the adults want to complain about children being at a Public Park and getting in their way.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:09 PM

Look, if the parks and rec people are so obtuse(Trust me, they are) to close a new attraction at prime use hours, they are entitled to wallow in their ignorance. This same boneheaded notion is the same reason few adults are lap swimming anymore and random baskeball court use is down. There was a time the park could be used by all whenver they pleased.

Insurance regulations can be amended and I doubt any insurance providor would get uptight with practice being at the schools.

-- Posted by gottago on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 8:50 PM

We have to practice where the insurance covers and that is at the park on these days! Insurance is a big thing to keep our children safe. It might not be all about the children but, if you read the paper it was posted that this Disk Golf would be closed during these times!!! Thank you for your time!

-- Posted by babyboo on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 8:01 PM

You have to be kidding me...

Please have the nerve to address the representatives at the parks and recreation department concerning this as opposed to creating turbulence in already strong winds. I mean seriously, you finished playing your "golf" game and posted this blog at 5:22 p.m. This time could have been used to say, I don't know, walk across the street and address it with the powers that be and if they are not there,

1. Leave your name and number, maybe email address and best time to reach

2. Reason for request and maybe a follow-up time to who is in charge of your particular request.

3. Patiently wait for a solution.

And the lady in question I spoke to today. She said she was very polite and you actually understood and moving on in your "game." Seriously, great job on getting some activity on the site and your blog.

-- Posted by insideout on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 7:49 PM

Babyboo,

Ultimately it is not just this one little encounter. The point of many of these posts is that these 'activities' are reserved at 5-7 pmish time slot which is the prime time of public use. The disc golf is a new attraction here, and needs this novelty time to develop and if it is never available this develpoment just won't happen. To keep the prime users off of this dedicated space is ridiculous. The kids can use any grassy area at the schools, parents farms, or whatever. The world does not stop turning 'for the chiiilldreeen'

I owe sports and activities tons for my develpoment, but hardly remember holding public faciliites hostage to do so.

-- Posted by gottago on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 7:37 PM

I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about this one little incounter. The cheerleaders that are there do have this part reserved on Mon., Tues., and Thurs., from 5pm-6:30pm. This was the second practice they have had this season. I have a daughter on this squad and she really adores cheering for our hometown team(which has been in the State Championship 3 years in a row winning 2 out of those 3 times). These cheerleaders being at every game supporting there team unlike a lot of adults that don't show our town any spirit at all!!! These same girls went to the Championship game 2 years ago and cheered in 25 Digree weather. I don't see anybody playing Disk Golf in this weather. These same girls got a trophy for staying by there team and cheering. I think that I would rather my children be a part of SPORTS then have them running around like a bunch of wild animals. I am sorry our girls were in the way! The cheerleaders love there cheer coach and just to let you know it is not cheaper than 1 tank of gas we spend lots of money on gas, uniforms,and food. I just read in the newspaper the other day that said our Little League Baseball Director holding a Tournament brought people here who stayed in hotels,bought food, and gas, that would help our little community out. These events bring extra money into our town. So, to get back to cheerleading being a sport, these girls sweat and excercise, too.

-- Posted by babyboo on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 6:13 PM

The course is open whenever the park gates are open, most likely. I truly doubt anybody would have allowed the squad to practice on the course, they did it on their own.

Regarding the post about the purpose of the blog> sometimes topics take on lives of their own as the conversation progresses

-- Posted by gottago on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 8:03 PM

Were these the cheerleaders for the rec league or pee wee football teams? If so, then it is not a school function anymore than rec soccer or baseball--right? Also, wasn't this blog addressed to two functions on the same field at the same time, not whether cheerleading is a sport?

-- Posted by nellie on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Cheerleading a sport? PUH LEEZE! Even The Band knows it aint!

-- Posted by seedsower on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 3:47 PM

I love this cheerleading arguement, but the truth is is that not all squads use the gymnastics side at all. Having trained cheeleaders,dance team etc I can tell you that the athleticism varies strongly.I would say that the college level is the most athletic since the NFL went to predominately dance (these ladies are working adults and the compensation from cheering does not justify the risk of injury from stunting or heavy tumbling). Still cheering and dance are great activities but one must consider the what the term sport implies.

BTW, I consider golf a game or social activity, not a sport.LOL.Many good natured arguements have come from this one:)

-- Posted by gottago on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 2:41 PM

That is the point though . . . average Joe doesn't get set times where they are guaranteed the space like the high school teams do plus usually the school teams and leagues play when the average Joe wants to play. Also, the average Joe is never informed of when the times are for league and school play until he arrives at the court or pool. If average Joe is playing and the leagues or high school teams show up then he is expected to leave but if average Joe shows up in the midst of a league or school game then he is expected to wait. What is fair about that? What gottago is saying is that we are doing all the compromising while leagues and schools get to pick and choose their time while we have to settle for what is left. They have basketball courts, soccer fields, and football stadiums at schools . . . . why not tennis courts? When I went to White County High School, they had their own tennis courts. It is just frustrating for the casual tennis fan or park visitor to always have to accommodate the schools and leagues and never receive it in turn. I think that point is pretty simple to understand.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Oh BTW all cheerleading is a combination of stunts and dances and jumps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerleadin...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Average Joe has every right to use the park and it's facilities because yes he is a tax payer but hey wait a minute, Average school parent and average league member pay those very same taxes. The Park Complex is a public park not a private country club "all" our taxes support it not just average Joe's. There should be a happy medium here somewhere because as we all know there is no tennis court or swimming pool at the schools. Isn't there set times for leagues and pratices for teams? If not there should be, shouldn't they?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 1:30 PM

I absolutely agree gottago! With high school tennis team practices and matches and then the various leagues during the summer, it makes it hard for just the average Joe to go out and play and enjoy the facilities when their taxes helped build it. I am sure it is the same with the inside pool. It is so hard to enjoy the rec center and park when it is always full with school functions and leagues. What are the rest of us suppose to do?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 1:03 PM

I agree with Jaxspike and feel that he reiterated what many of have said in past or have been thinking. The tennis courts are a case in opint. I commented to an article written in the sports page about tennis and expected all manner of criticism. It did not come, and I wondered if others agreed with that point or just didn't read the article.

The swim team is another guilty party of taking way too much time away from the general patron. About 8-10 years ago, before the swim team used so much time, the lap end of the pool was always full of lap swimmers. I remember many times sharing a lane or waiting after someone was finished. The afternoon/early evening was the only time those with rigid work schedules could swim but once the swim team starting taking from 4:30 or 5 until 7 pm on M,T,Th( not to mention swim meet times) the adults were out of luck. I have bumped into many of these former swimmers, and many report they got out of the habit due to not being able to swim at the only available time.

Adult fitness is imperative and the schools should be responsible for the activities they sponsor and not the city.

A gymnastics based cheer program is a sport, dance based is not.

-- Posted by gottago on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 12:01 PM

I don't find fault in anything other than the fact that this woman evidently was annoyed with John playing a game in an area reserved for that game when she could have easily moved to an area that didn't interrupt the play of the disk golf players. Unfortunately we see too many times high school sports (or other school related activities) taking up playing areas at the park from the average everyday citizens.

As far as me thinking that cheerleading isn't a sport, I know that is just solely my opinion and may not be considered fact. What am I finding fault in? So many people take comments to the extreme!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 7:34 AM

I find it amazing that people can sit on the sidelines and criticize what young people do when they are contributing to our sports program and have no idea what goes into making these cheering sessions possible. If you think for one minute it is all fun and games you need to think again!!

With our youth today into drugs, gangs, drinking and running wild the only thing you can do is find fault with young girls who enjoy their SPORT.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 11:31 PM

I know that today was the first meeting for the TYFA league i.e. our local youth football teams and cheerleaders. If she was with this group, I know from experience that lots of info had to be relayed to the girls and their parents in a very short time.

Trying to hold the attention of young girls is hard enough when nothing else is going on and I imagine she was trying to avoid any delays. As someone else stated, school and ballgames start very soon and they only have about 3 weeks to learn the words and movements to over 70 or 80 cheers.

My daughter cheered with them for the past three years (and still would be except for the high gas prices and the long trips to away games)so I know what a job it is.

I don't know if this was the cheerleaders in question or not since we usually practiced down in the grassy area where the football teams practice. It might have been moved to a more shady area because of the heat.

-- Posted by EastSideMom on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 10:54 PM

Then why dont the girls practice at school . . . since it is a school function instead of practicing on the frisbee golf course? That would be like me practicing basketball on the tennis courts.

And believe me, the cheerleading that the local high schools here do is NOT a sport. That occurs in college . . . not here. I dont care how many cheerleaders or their moms here claim it to be. I can sell cookies and yell and make posters and do car washes(in my bathing suit) plus I get hot when I am outside but that still doesn't make me a sports player either.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Does the course run through the field that the cheerleaders reserve for practice? I don't understand why both would be occurring in the same place to start with.

-- Posted by nellie on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 8:44 PM

My goodness the heat seems to be getting the best of all of us today....I am sure that this lady and her girls time is as important as your time putting the ball around....I love to watch our cherrleaders at Cascade...and I am sure that the girls are pushed for time since school starts soon and the 1st football game also starts very soon...They want to be the best at what they love to do and they have to pratice...pratice..pratice....Plus it is hot and I think everyone get's on edge when the temp is high....

-- Posted by rebelrose on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 8:03 PM

Cheerleading is a "Real" sport most of these girls are dedicated to the sport of cheerleading. They are athletes they jump they tumble they yell and scream their hearts out to support their teams even when their team is losing they continue to cheer them on...even in the rain and the cold they are there loving what they do.

They have true Team spirit it is much more than just a couple of games a week for them, they practice everyday, even in the summer. It is not just during Football season but basketball season also (and they cheer for 2 games boys and girls not just one)

They make banners and signs to show their support. They have car washes and cookie sales. Not to mention Pep Rallies and Homecoming events.

They benefit our community, they benefit our schools and most of all they benefit our sports teams.And all this combined they still must maintain their grades to continue to be a cheerleader.

Not a "Real" sport? You've got to be kidding me!!!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 7:53 PM

LOL

I'm pretty sure it's much less expensive than a tank of gas too. :)

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:58 PM

I think a cheerleader is fueled by love for the team.

That's easier to come by and harder to exhaust than a tank of gasoline.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:53 PM

Sport (as defined by www.m-w.com)

1): physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2): a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in

If driving a car in circles as fast as you can is considered a "real" sport, I'm pretty sure cheerleading is also.

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:25 PM

What is so great about cheerleading practice is the fact that they could do that in their own back yard so she just needs to be quiet and be considerate of those who are using the park for a REAL sport.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:10 PM

I don't think she knew who I was. If I'd been carrying a camera, it might have made things worse. :)

Actually, now that I re-read it, she wasn't nearly as rude as I made her sound in my post. It's just that I was frustrated because she didn't understand the real situation.

There actually were people on the course behind me, and they had to ask me where the course started, so they may have been out-of-towners trying out a new course. If they actually interrupted her practice, I hope everybody had a sense of humor about it.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:07 PM

I wasn't there but why do I think you wouldn't be hurried off the field quite as fast if you had a camera waiting to take front page shots or pics for a two page photo feature?

-- Posted by quantumcat on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM


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