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Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008, at 1:31 PM

In response to several phone calls: Brian Mosely of our staff has spent much of the day so far working on coverage of the gambling arrests overnight in Bedford County. Look for complete coverage in tomorrow's newspaper.


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Nobody'sFool, Actually, your comment directed to me was accurate. I was referring to you also. The drop out part was why I commented though. To my way of thinking a drop-out represents our educational system even more clearly than most others. I did not see any reason to further isolate someone who may be having problems anyway. I appreciate the fact that you are also a dropout, and I imagine you do understand that this person is likely marginalized enough to begin with. I am usually not so aggressive, and am unsure why I even interjected. Bad day I guess. I think calling someone a stupid thing is actually sort of funny and will make it a point to call someone that this week. I imagine I will have the opportunity.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 5:16 PM

If the comments made by memyselfi were directed toward me, I'd like to point out a couple of things.

First of all, I didn't call any one person out by name and I don't think that my entry was harsh, considering that we're all adults here. I do believe that calling somebody a "stupid thing" because they disagree with your opinion is rude and uneccessary. I think the fact that I later mocked myself in another post, pretty much proves that I'm not trying to "mask any of my own insecurities"

Secondly, I stand by my opinion that I honestly could not decipher some of the posts that I was referring to. One of them made absolutely no sense to me, even after I re-read it.

And lastly, if you'll look at the response that I received, you'll see that I was apparently threatened, somehow. Yes, the person in question later apologized, claiming that they thought I was somebody else, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable, in my opinion. My pointing out the fact that I had no idea what somebody is trying to say, is far more acceptable (in my opinion) than lashing out with threats.

Signed,

A self-educated, non-elitist high school drop-out

PS- if your comments were not directed toward me, then I apologize for the misinterpretation. I just wanted the opportunity to defend myself.

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 9:20 AM

time2relax Sorry you want to make fun of me.I thought this was for gambling comments.My mom told me there would people like you,making fun of people.This computer is new to me,I guess you were perfect,when you put your finger on yours.For the first time.My kids are fighting for our country.Also for "YOU"!Does it make you feel good to,act like you'er GOG?Do you make fun of the Blind too?You have friends high up.That's why you're getting tired of the truth.Truth is.This gambling raid shouldn't have gone on.They know,there's lot's of rich people here doing it.Arrest them!They won't.If you,your family,your kids etc.Are in the click.You'er "safe".

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, at 1:54 AM

I hate to see anyone resort to picking apart a participants comments based on their spelling and grammar. To discount a persons thoughts based only on their ability to express them is not only elitist, it shows a level of arrogance that is apparently intended to mask ones own insecurities.

This person is a product of our educational system regardless of whether or not they graduated. So, if you were fortunate and gained a valuable education and diploma from your history with the educational system, be thankful, but please remember that you are not superior and your opinions are no more valuable.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Aug 21, 2008, at 8:46 PM

Nobody's Fool:

When you find that decoder ring, pick up one for me (ha, ha). I had to read and then re-read the post of laughing out lound. An English teacher would have a field day with a red pen with this "student". Surely to goodness this person was a drop-out. I would hope our education system would not allow this person to graduate at such a low level of understanding the English language.

-- Posted by time2relax on Thu, Aug 21, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Nobody'sFool, SORRY.I thought Greeneyes wrote that to me.The comment was forthem.I didn't look close enough.

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Thu, Aug 21, 2008, at 9:02 AM

Nobody'sFool This is my first time useing a computer.So if you noticed only 12.That's great for me.If you knew who I am you'd be running.See I know who you are.You know my mother.You like her .She really knows all your friends.So I know you're 'in the Courthouse click.Gambling is ok for some but not everyone.Oniy the ones not in "The Bedford Co. BIBLE"

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Thu, Aug 21, 2008, at 8:53 AM

I also think it's pretty ironic that I made a couple of typos in my last entry. Ha!

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Wed, Aug 20, 2008, at 3:22 PM

LOL almost sounds like he or she is scolding a pet.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Aug 20, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Sheesh. I think I need a secret decoder ring to understand some of these entries. Some of them are so horribly written that I can't even understand which side of the argument the writer is taking.

I think calling sombody a "stupid thing", regardless of their opinion, is not only rude, but probably shouldn't be done by someone who mis-spelled approximately a dozen words during their original post. Two dozen, if you consider that the fact that it was double-posted.

I'm just sayin'...

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Wed, Aug 20, 2008, at 11:37 AM

greeneyes,SHUT UP!YOU STUPID THING.IT's also our so called OFICALS doing the same thing.They just know the right people to get the where to go and not to go.These people arrest .They sentice you.Then this SO CALLED law abidding enforcers.Go home ,have their rich outdoor parties.Yes!Greeneyes they ''oh god''.Buy beer,drink,play cards and yes.[Some cheat on their girlfriends,wives.Go home and say y

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:08 AM

greeneyes,SHUT UP!YOU STUPID THING.IT's also our so called OFICALS doing the same thing.They just know the right people to get the where to go and not to go.These people arrest .They sentice you.Then this SO CALLED law abidding enforcers.Go home ,have their rich outdoor parties.Yes!Greeneyes they ''oh god''.Buy beer,drink,play cards and yes.[Some cheat on their girlfriends,wives.Go home and say y

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:08 AM

Mr.Carney,Today I wrote aletter responding to the gambling raid.Could you check for me,why they took it off, as fast as fast as they printed it.I thouht readers could speak to times gazette.It being phone or computer. In total privacy.Even to the comments or opinions.It's like someone high up at the court house didn't want it published for the citizens to read.Everyone knows how dirty this town does.Or is it ,thay they don't want it read by Visitors of the Celabration?The raids do need to go on everywhere. Stores ,houses ''The BIG gambling deal alot of poeple have at Halls Mill Club.During the [SUPPER BOWL]they have guards whatching the gate.You can't get in without a ticket.One time someone robbed the people there of 1,000's of dollars.My boyfriend goes to them.Now that was never reported to the police or sheriff's office.If it was it wasn't told all the way it happen. Now importent people where ther too.It will be there again,unless this raid scares the Big money Gamblers here. These are buisness owners,kids of the popular RICH people.20-45yr olds.It's been proven over and over again.[These peoples family members get caught.]The parents make the right calls before it goes anywhere.I know for a FACKED .Times Gazette had calls made to keep family members of high bussines owners-[HERE IN TOWN.]/Tokeep their names out after being arrested for a FELONY.Their other family member works for TIMES Gazette.So ya ,I want to know.My oppinon is still mine to tell.If you're going to raid.Do all the places.NOT ONE!Friends,family doesn't matter. Shelbyville/ Voters need to clean house at our Court House top to bottom.That's the only way things will get better.Some people have been there so long they think they'er ''GOD'' They have steak dinners on us.Laugh all the way to the bank.These people aren't there for the people.IT'S the MONEY.''LET's JOIN TOGETHER,and take our voices to the Court House steps.;I'LL be glad to.People that are fed up with the bull S@#& of our court system here !SPEAK up!They hate the truth to come out ;of how SHELBYVILLE is.They just want the good stuff told.I'm tired of the favortisem by our court.AREN'T YA'LL?

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 1:19 AM

Mr.Carney,Today I wrote aletter responding to the gambling raid.Could you check for me,why they took it off, as fast as fast as they printed it.I thouht readers could speak to times gazette.It being phone or computer. In total privacy.Even to the comments or opinions.It's like someone high up at the court house didn't want it published for the citizens to read.Everyone knows how dirty this town does.Or is it ,thay they don't want it read by Visitors of the Celabration?The raids do need to go on everywhere. Stores ,houses ''The BIG gambling deal alot of poeple have at Halls Mill Club.During the [SUPPER BOWL]they have guards whatching the gate.You can't get in without a ticket.One time someone robbed the people there of 1,000's of dollars.My boyfriend goes to them.Now that was never reported to the police or sheriff's office.If it was it wasn't told all the way it happen. Now importent people where ther too.It will be there again,unless this raid scares the Big money Gamblers here. These are buisness owners,kids of the popular RICH people.20-45yr olds.It's been proven over and over again.[These peoples family members get caught.]The parents make the right calls before it goes anywhere.I know for a FACKED .Times Gazette had calls made to keep family members of high bussines owners-[HERE IN TOWN.]/Tokeep their names out after being arrested for a FELONY.Their other family member works for TIMES Gazette.So ya ,I want to know.My oppinon is still mine to tell.If you're going to raid.Do all the places.NOT ONE!Friends,family doesn't matter. Shelbyville/ Voters need to clean house at our Court House top to bottom.That's the only way things will get better.Some people have been there so long they think they'er ''GOD'' They have steak dinners on us.Laugh all the way to the bank.These people aren't there for the people.IT'S the MONEY.''LET's JOIN TOGETHER,and take our voices to the Court House steps.;I'LL be glad to.People that are fed up with the bull S@#& of our court system here !SPEAK up!They hate the truth to come out ;of how SHELBYVILLE is.They just want the good stuff told.I'm tired of the favortisem by our court.AREN'T YA'LL?

-- Posted by laughing out lound on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 1:19 AM

If something is a harmless passtime,it won't be taken to destructive extremes and it will be easy to "take or leave."

The use of nalaxone or other drugs used to block opiates or control compulsions won't have an effect on the frequency or intensity of that behavior.

If strengthening free will causes that behavior to atrophy,maybe it stopped being a matter of choice.

The addictive personality can become enslaved even by positive things like eating,sex,washing or even prayer!

The question becomes when it becomes a danger to the participant or others.

A purely physical addiction can become habit-forming even if the addict doesn't know he has been exposed to a particular substance.

A psychological dependency,as previously stated,comes from something done voluntarily that stops being a matter of choice.

A legitimate operator has no need or desire to encourage addictions or their consequences.

He'll even run interference if he sees problems developing.

He won't need to place a glamour of illicit excitement around his product.

He won't need to bribe customers into patronizing him or encourage corruption to stay in business.

I've known more than a few people in town who have been beaten for squandering their money on games of chance.

I've also known too many people who wouldn't have had what they needed to survive if they hadn't had that lucky break.

(And,no,they weren't lacking because they lost their funds gambling.

They just had reasonable expenses that exceeded what they could support with earnings or available insurance or public assistance.)

The big difference I've seen between the big stakes poker games and the machines and scratch-offs is that the poker games offer a buffet and the would-be Bret Mavericks are sometimes given all or some of the pot when they lose.

It's one thing to enjoy fellowship and strategy.

It's another to pay to be gulled or for another confirmation that one has no grasp of the science of probability.

The questions become:

If one had no NEED to perform a certain act,would one do it?

If one's customers had complete knowledge of what was going on and had complete free will,would they stop coming in?

If one had to operate without secrecy or corruption,would the business survive?

Nothing is acceptable that depends on the ignorance,helplessness or venality of others for its survival.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Aug 15, 2008, at 2:23 PM

Thom,

You are correct in your assertion there is no such thing as a "gambling addict." The "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," the bible of the American Psychiatric Association holds that "problem gambling" is a disorder of impulse control as is Kleptomania and Arson.

I don't believe one can find an instance of someone dying from overdosing on gambling nor find one who has wrecked a vehicle while under the influence of gambling. Also there is no proof that gambling is a carcenigen as are other legal behaviors.

-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Aug 15, 2008, at 11:11 AM

dmcg: The difference is for speeding you get a ticker and pay a small fine, but just as with this gambling bust, the consequences were known so a conscious risk was taken. Be careful about going down the road of selective law enforcement.

As far as the lottery goes, it should never have been passed. Its just another way for the government to get into our pockets. Worse, people are stupid enough to volunteer to give their money to the state.

-- Posted by devan on Fri, Aug 15, 2008, at 11:05 AM

greeneyes says:

Either we have laws or we don't. It doesn't matter if it was a small time gambling thing or not, it's against the law! When our officals look the other way it opens the door to bigger operations. I thank them for their hard work and I am proud of the so called narc!

All I have to say, greeneyes, is the next time you are going 36 in a 35, maybe you will be stopped for your criminal behavior. After all laws are to be upheld, and when you break the law, you should be arrested!

It's hard for any state sponsoring a lottery to make a moral issue out of gambling. The only reason the state or local government can complain is because money changed hands and they didn't get their "cut"!

-- Posted by dmcg on Fri, Aug 15, 2008, at 6:04 AM

AMEN Thom...

Don't pass out! But I totally agree with you on this one.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 15, 2008, at 12:46 AM

Hmmm...you know, you may be on to something.

Actually, I'm just sick and tired of everybody claiming that "this is an addiction, or "that" being an addiction when, in all actuality, it's simply a matter of personal choice. It is impossible to be addicted to an action. An addiction is defined by the physiological symptoms associated with an absence of the thing that they're "addicted" to.

And the gas prices aren't hurting me that much...just less money to spend in a different state.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Tennessee. I just really wish we had enough people here that were willing to stand up and vote their conscience rather than trying to look good for their church and saying they're against it.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 8:27 PM

Thom, you seem to be in denial about this gambling addiction thing. Maybe the gas prices restricting your out of state excursions are putting you into gambling withdrawal. :)

-- Posted by devan on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 7:56 PM

I really wish that someone could show me how in the world gambling is an "addiction". It may be an obsession, but it is absolutely positively one hundred percent impossible that there is a physical addiction to gambling. There may be a physical addiction to the chemicals released in the brain due to the excitement, but those chemicals are NOT produced just by gambling. They could be the product of any high-risk behavior.

Call it what you want, but there isn't a single person that could EVER convince me that there is a physical addiction to gambling. There are NO physiological symptoms associated with quitting...unless you owe someone LOTS of money and don't pay them...therefore it couldn't possibly be an addiction.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 2:40 PM

Evil Monkey,

ROFL, penny poker would have been great.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 9:31 AM

Well if gambling is illegal then shouldnt someone go to jail everytime they buy a scratch off.

BTW, what is the difference in spending all there money gambling and spending it at Wal Mart, or on alcohol. If someone really wants to blow there money they will do it, its called personal responsibility.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 9:31 AM

There are numerous victims of gambling whether its here in Shelbyville or in other states. Gambling is an addiction just like most other addictions where there are more affected than just the person doing it.

When a person who has a family places his paycheck on the table in hopes of doubling it but loses it all instead, people get hurt.

If all those gambling were single persons with no children/family and were living on their own and able to support their habit as well as their bills then that is fine.

But the majority of those playing at these tables in town are not single and do have wives and children who are home alone and going without more times than not. There is the occasional win but they lose more than they win in the long run.

-- Posted by skittles on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 8:18 AM

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE NARCK IS

-- Posted by tazmo on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 7:21 AM

_________________________________________

Find out who the biggest loser has been and you may be on to something....;^)

-- Posted by tgreader on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 8:08 AM

I agree greeneyes. When that much money is being exchanged, chances are someones family is suffering the loss.

-- Posted by devan on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 8:00 AM

Either we have laws or we don't. It doesn't matter if it was a small time gambling thing or not, it's against the law! When our officals look the other way it opens the door to bigger operations. I thank them for their hard work and I am proud of the so called narc!

-- Posted by greeneyes on Thu, Aug 14, 2008, at 7:48 AM

KNow what would have been funny? IF they busted them and they were playing for pennies and all they found were penny wrappers and beer. God that would have been hilarious.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Aug 13, 2008, at 11:21 PM

Diana,

Nope, I don't know of anyone that has this particular setup locally. I would like to save the same drive. With gas being what it is, the trips to Metropolis, Cherokee, Tunica, or Indiana are coming fewer and further between. But I'm CERTAIN someone around these parts is bound to have an "establishment" that could save you some gas. And keep your money from going to other states that allow gambling...legally.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 13, 2008, at 11:15 PM

>>>If they really wanted to bust a gambling ring, why don't they look for places with craps tables, roulette wheels, slot machines, and blackjack tables?

Hmmm Thom, Do we have those here in Shelbyville? Would you mind slipping me an email telling where they are it would save me a drive to Illinois. :>)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Aug 13, 2008, at 10:38 PM

48,000 dollars in cash was confiscated, 4 poker tables, 4 dealers, 2 security guards... LOL thats alot of poker!

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Aug 13, 2008, at 9:50 PM

They were just playing poker. If they really wanted to bust a gambling ring, why don't they look for places with craps tables, roulette wheels, slot machines, and blackjack tables? Now THAT'S gambling. I look forward to see what sort of coverage the T-G is going to have on it though. Especially considering that there are many other crimes that occur around here that actually have victims.

-- Posted by Thom on Wed, Aug 13, 2008, at 9:11 PM


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