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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010, at 8:02 AM

We're looking for any local connections to the Haiti story -- churches that have been there in the past on mission trips, local relief efforts, what have you. E-mail me at jcarney@t-g.com or call me at 684-1200.


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I've been trying to make that same point with a commenter over on one of the news stories, without success.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 2:07 PM

If people were personally responsible for their forebearers then some americans are in trouble for their ancestors treatment of the

american indians and slaves from Africa.God is not vindictive. The people of Haiti are no more responsible for their ancesters than we are.The people of Haiti are 90% christian catholics. Did anyone see them singing and giving praises to God.We have disasters here in Amrica also. Do other countries think were being punched.

-- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Jan 20, 2010, at 12:16 PM

The above statement was cut and pasted from a webside from an organization called the council of conservative citizens. www.cofcc.org. There is no author to the article, nor are there references to the statements, especially about the history of Haiti. I believe the historic relationship between the US, Haiti and Louisiana Purchase is more complex than in these statements. The Haitian revolution, in which Napolean lost one of his most profitable colonies in the Americas; stopped a launch point for the development and colonization of the Louisiana territory. France had citizens up and down the Mississippi River at the time; St. Genevieve, MO, Cape Girardeau and St. Louis were colonized by the French and were under French control.

As for the pact with the devil, if true - in which I have doubts, are people personally responsible for what sins their forebearers committed? If so, then we have a vindictive God.

-- Posted by Grit on Sun, Jan 17, 2010, at 10:23 PM

here a article refering to the pat guy and the devil pact comment he made that was discussed in other haiti blog..............

This segment demonstrates why far-left lesbian commentator Rachel Maddow has lost almost half of MSNBC's 9:00 PM viewers in the past year.

Pat Robertson refers to the "Haitian Pact with the Devil." While Robertson could have better clarified what he was talking about, this is a common name for a real historical event in Haiti. The so-called "pact with the devil," refers to an event in 1791 that historians call a catalyst for the Haitian Revolution. Voodoo priestess Dutty Boukman led a large group of Haitian slaves in sacrificing a pig and swearing an oath together to fight against the French. Days later Boukman's followers began a violent rampage.

Maddow mocks the comments by Pat Robertson, and promotes the absurd notion that the violent mass murder of whites and Mulattoes in Haiti was some kind of noble slave revolt.

In fact the French government had already passed legislation to free all of Haiti's slaves before the mass killings began. Within one year of Boukman's revolt the French government passed legislation calling for the phasing out of slavery in its colonies. In 1793 much of Haiti's slaves were formerly freed by French leaders on the Island. In 1794 the French government freed all of its slaves in all its colonies.

However the Haitians continued to fight the French and commit atrocities against the white and Mulatto population for eight more years. Napoleon eventually abandoned the island, because he needed the troops in Europe. Tens of thousands of white and Mulatto civilians had been slaughtered and the rest had fled the island. Most of them coming to New Orleans.

In order to gain French recognition of its independence the newly formed black Haitian government agreed to pay reparations for the slaughter of French citizens.

Second Half of Maddow segment.

Maddow then brings out the Haitian ambassador and the segment gets even more loony. The Haitian ambassador asserts the insane notion the US owes the Louisiana purchase to the Haitians. In fact, the Louisiana Purchase came about as a result of the Napoleonic wars in Europe and had absolutely zero to do with the Haitians.

The only impact on US history that Haiti had was to make Americans extremely fearful of what freed black slaves would do in the US. This hurt anti-slavery movements in the US and delayed the freeing of America's slaves by many decades. It also contributed to the US civil war. While most of the nation favored a gradual emancipation and recolonization back to Africa, northern industrialists who financed Lincoln wanted to use former slaves as a cheap source of factory labor.

However, the ambassador doesn't stop there. The ambassador states "what pact the Haitian has made with the devil has helped the United States become what it is." So the ambassador seems to believe that Haitians do have a pact with the devil! At this point Maddow goes back into a tirade against Robertson for his "pact with the devil comments," yet ignores that the Haitian ambassador just said the same thing.

-- Posted by ipledgeallegiancetotheCSA on Sun, Jan 17, 2010, at 1:06 PM

Please do.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Thu, Jan 14, 2010, at 10:27 AM

My email server is currently down, but I will email you the information later, if you'd like it.

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Thu, Jan 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM

I know of a church group from Murfreesboro who was actually in Haiti doing mission work when the earthquake hit. One of the crew is a former resident of Shelbyville.

They're reportedly all doing well, but I'm not sure if they've been able to make it back out of there, since air travel was halted.

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Thu, Jan 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM

thanks John, I am looking for ways to help! Hoping people are going to be stepping up.

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Thu, Jan 14, 2010, at 9:03 AM


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