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110TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION S. 1173 To protect, consistent with Roe v. Wade, a woman's freedom to choose to bear a child or terminate a pregnancy, and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES APRIL 19, 2007 Mrs. BOXER (for herself, Mrs. MURRAY, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. BINGAMAN, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. SCHUMER, Mrs. CLINTON, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mr. BAUCUS, and Ms. CANTWELL) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary A BILL To protect, consistent with Roe v. Wade, a woman's freedom to choose to bear a child or terminate a pregnancy, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa- 1 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, 2 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. 3 This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Freedom of Choice 4 Act''. 5 SEC. 2. FINDINGS. 6 Congress finds the following: 7 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 2 •S 1173 IS (1) The United States was founded on core 1 principles, such as liberty, personal privacy, and 2 equality, which ensure that individuals are free to 3 make their most intimate decisions without govern- 4 mental interference and discrimination. 5 (2) One of the most private and difficult deci- 6 sions an individual makes is whether to begin, pre- 7 vent, continue, or terminate a pregnancy. Those re- 8 productive health decisions are best made by women, 9 in consultation with their loved ones and health care 10 providers. 11 (3) In 1965, in Griswold v. Connecticut (381 12 U.S. 479), and in 1973, in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 13 113) and Doe v. Bolton (410 U.S. 179), the Su- 14 preme Court recognized that the right to privacy 15 protected by the Constitution encompasses the right 16 of every woman to weigh the personal, moral, and 17 religious considerations involved in deciding whether 18 to begin, prevent, continue, or terminate a preg- 19 nancy. 20 (4) The Roe v. Wade decision carefully balances 21 the rights of women to make important reproductive 22 decisions with the State's interest in potential life. 23 Under Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, the right to 24 privacy protects a woman's decision to choose to ter- 25 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 3 •S 1173 IS minate her pregnancy prior to fetal viability, with 1 the State permitted to ban abortion after fetal via- 2 bility except when necessary to protect a woman's 3 life or health. 4 (5) These decisions have protected the health 5 and lives of women in the United States. Prior to 6 the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, an estimated 7 1,200,000 women each year were forced to resort to 8 illegal abortions, despite the risk of unsanitary con- 9 ditions, incompetent treatment, infection, hemor- 10 rhage, disfiguration, and death. Before Roe, it is es- 11 timated that thousands of women died annually in 12 the United States as a result of illegal abortions. 13 (6) In countries in which abortion remains ille- 14 gal, the risk of maternal mortality is high. According 15 to the World Health Organization, of the approxi- 16 mately 600,000 pregnancy-related deaths occurring 17 annually around the world, 80,000 are associated 18 with unsafe abortions. 19 (7) The Roe v. Wade decision also expanded the 20 opportunities for women to participate equally in so- 21 ciety. In 1992, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey (505 22 U.S. 833), the Supreme Court observed that, ‘‘[t]he 23 ability of women to participate equally in the eco- 24 nomic and social life of the Nation has been facili- 25 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 4 •S 1173 IS tated by their ability to control their reproductive 1 lives.''. 2 (8) Even though the Roe v. Wade decision has 3 stood for more than 34 years, there are increasing 4 threats to reproductive health and freedom emerging 5 from all branches and levels of government. In 2006, 6 South Dakota became the first State in more than 7 15 years to enact a ban on abortion in nearly all cir- 8 cumstances. Supporters of this ban have admitted it 9 is an attempt to directly challenge Roe in the courts. 10 Other States are considering similar bans. 11 (9) Further threatening Roe, the Supreme 12 Court recently upheld the first-ever Federal ban on 13 an abortion procedure, which has no exception to 14 protect a woman's health. The majority decision in 15 Gonzales v. Carhart (05-380, slip op. April 18, 16 2007) and Gonzales v. Planned Parenthood Federa- 17 tion of America fails to protect a woman's health, a 18 core tenet of Roe v. Wade. Dissenting in that case, 19 Justice Ginsburg called the majority's opinion 20 ‘‘alarming'', and stated that, ‘‘[f]or the first time 21 since Roe, the Court blesses a prohibition with no 22 exception safeguarding a woman's health''. Further, 23 she said, the Federal ban ‘‘and the Court's defense 24 of it cannot be understood as anything other than 25 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 5 •S 1173 IS an effort to chip away at a right declared again and 1 again by this Court''. 2 (10) Legal and practical barriers to the full 3 range of reproductive services endanger women's 4 health and lives. Incremental restrictions on the 5 right to choose imposed by Congress and State legis- 6 latures have made access to reproductive care ex- 7 tremely difficult, if not impossible, for many women 8 across the country. Currently, 87 percent of the 9 counties in the United States have no abortion pro- 10 vider. 11 (11) While abortion should remain safe and 12 legal, women should also have more meaningful ac- 13 cess to family planning services that prevent unin- 14 tended pregnancies, thereby reducing the need for 15 abortion. 16 (12) To guarantee the protections of Roe v. 17 Wade, Federal legislation is necessary. 18 (13) Although Congress may not create con- 19 stitutional rights without amending the Constitution, 20 Congress may, where authorized by its enumerated 21 powers and not prohibited by the Constitution, enact 22 legislation to create and secure statutory rights in 23 areas of legitimate national concern. 24 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 6 •S 1173 IS (14) Congress has the affirmative power under 1 section 8 of article I of the Constitution and section 2 5 of the 14th amendment to the Constitution to 3 enact legislation to facilitate interstate commerce 4 and to prevent State interference with interstate 5 commerce, liberty, or equal protection of the laws. 6 (15) Federal protection of a woman's right to 7 choose to prevent or terminate a pregnancy falls 8 within this affirmative power of Congress, in part, 9 because-- 10 (A) many women cross State lines to ob- 11 tain abortions and many more would be forced 12 to do so absent a constitutional right or Federal 13 protection; 14 (B) reproductive health clinics are com- 15 mercial actors that regularly purchase medicine, 16 medical equipment, and other necessary sup- 17 plies from out-of-State suppliers; and 18 (C) reproductive health clinics employ doc- 19 tors, nurses, and other personnel who travel 20 across State lines in order to provide reproduc- 21 tive health services to patients. 22 SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS. 23 In this Act: 24 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 7 •S 1173 IS (1) GOVERNMENT.--The term ‘‘government'' 1 includes a branch, department, agency, instrumen- 2 tality, or official (or other individual acting under 3 color of law) of the United States, a State, or a sub- 4 division of a State. 5 (2) STATE.--The term ‘‘State'' means each of 6 the States, the District of Columbia, the Common- 7 wealth of Puerto Rico, and each territory or posses- 8 sion of the United States. 9 (3) VIABILITY.--The term ‘‘viability'' means 10 that stage of pregnancy when, in the best medical 11 judgment of the attending physician based on the 12 particular medical facts of the case before the physi- 13 cian, there is a reasonable likelihood of the sustained 14 survival of the fetus outside of the woman. 15 SEC. 4. INTERFERENCE WITH REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH 16 PROHIBITED. 17 (a) STATEMENT OF POLICY.--It is the policy of the 18 United States that every woman has the fundamental 19 right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy 20 prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after 21 fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health 22 of the woman. 23 (b) PROHIBITION OF INTERFERENCE.--A govern- 24 ment may not-- 25 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00007 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 8 •S 1173 IS (1) deny or interfere with a woman's right to 1 choose-- 2 (A) to bear a child; 3 (B) to terminate a pregnancy prior to via- 4 bility; or 5 (C) to terminate a pregnancy after viability 6 where termination is necessary to protect the 7 life or health of the woman; or 8 (2) discriminate against the exercise of the 9 rights set forth in paragraph (1) in the regulation 10 or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or infor- 11 mation. 12 (c) CIVIL ACTION.--An individual aggrieved by a vio- 13 lation of this section may obtain appropriate relief (includ- 14 ing relief against a government) in a civil action. 15 SEC. 5. SEVERABILITY. 16 If any provision of this Act, or the application of such 17 provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be un- 18 constitutional, the remainder of this Act, or the applica- 19 tion of such provision to persons or circumstances other 20 than those as to which the provision is held to be unconsti- 21 tutional, shall not be affected thereby. 22 SEC. 6. RETROACTIVE EFFECT. 23 This Act applies to every Federal, State, and local 24 statute, ordinance, regulation, administrative order, deci- 25 VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00008 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS 9 •S 1173 IS sion, policy, practice, or other action enacted, adopted, or 1 implemented before, on, or after the date of enactment 2 of this Act. 3 Æ VerDate Aug 31 2005 17:43 Apr 22, 2007 Jkt 059200 PO 00000 Frm 00009 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6301 E:\BILLS\S1173.IS S1173 jlentini on PROD1PC65 with BILLS.
I work night shift so my sleeping is always messed up , maybe that is "my thorn in the flesh". I always manage to watch a lot of preaching early on Sunday mornings when most people are still asleep .
This morning I came across Rod Parsley and he had a spesial from the Center for Moral Clarity on this awful bill which is trying to creep into the hallowed halls of Washington D.C..
If passed it would more or les make Roe Versus Wade untouchable ever again.
It would even take our tax-dollars to asist in abortions.
I could think of a million better places for them to go!
Even a non Christian should oppose the murder of the infants just because of a whim or sudden urge or if you find out that it will have a defect.
There are to many families who cannot have children who would love to adopt or be foster parents until a good loving and caring home could be found [if it is a Christian or Jewish then all the better}
Christians have been silent to long.
I don't care what denomination ,what side of town or whatever , if you profess to believe in Jesus Christ God Jehova or whatever language you pray to God in pleas check you heart and conscience and go to www.RODPARSLEY.COM and sign the petition to stop this before it even gets started.
Abortion ,Racism and Homesexuality along with the War on Terrorism seems to be the hot topics of this upcoming elections. ONE Abortion should be banned except for special circumstances. TWO RACISM is just all out wrong, THREE Homosexuality; well I am sure my beliefs on that are already known. FOUR The War On Terrorism is necessary to rid the world of the evil that wants to destroy it.
If no access to the net , please call 1-800-637-2288
People say that they don't need a Saviour , well I beg to differ , we all need to have God to save us from ourselves and he did , in the form of Jesus Christ!
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Bush and Christians... THEY WILL PROTECT YOUR UNBORN FETUS THEN SEND YOUR GROWN CHILD OFF TO WAR! Ironic.
LOL, and the same people who are anti abortion, are the one's who oppose contraceptives being passed out in schools... Another irony. I can't wait to see when women dictate to Michael what he can do with his own body, then he'll see what it's like to be told by someone who has no idea what it's like to be in those shoes, what to do.
Isn't it just as much of a contradiction to oppose the death penalty and support abortion?
Yes, but I don't oppose the death penalty... Lol
I support the death penalty
The death penalty is for people who have been proven guilty of terrible crimes beyond a shadow of a doubt. Abortion is for a baby that you unwittingly created, possibly out of your own stupidity. You don't get to punish those who have done no wrong. Pregnant and don't want the baby? ADOPTION. It's the honorable and right thing to do. If there were people on death row just b/c someone was uninterested in them being alive that would be wrong! Having an abortion doesn't make you not a mother, it makes you the mother of a dead baby!
Bush and Christians... THEY WILL PROTECT YOUR UNBORN FETUS THEN SEND YOUR GROWN CHILD OFF TO WAR! Ironic.
-Main difference being.....your grown child VOLUNTEERS to go to war, your unborn CHILD did no such thing!
I agree with you Michael & Laura. I believe abortion should be used only in cases of maternal health risks. And to put abortion & death penalty in same category is just wrong.
As far as passing out contraceptives I think it is the parents place to raise children up to respect their bodies and to not need contraceptives before marriage. Having said that tho there are fewer and fewer kids out here being abstinate and I think it's better for them to have contraceptives than be unprotected if they're going to do it anyway. And like it or not most, not all but most, kids will do things parents dont want them doing.
Most kids have always had sex before marriage. They just talk more freely about it now. If by contraceptives you mean condoms then by all means hand them out at the appropriate ages. By the 8th grade if the kids aren't having sex they are definately thinking of it. As far as birth control pills, those should be left up the dr. I think that is self explanatory.
I dont agree with abortion for the most part. Risk of mothers death then yes I agree, rape pregnancy I would agree! I cant imagine myself or one of my daughters carrying and giving birth to a child of rape. I had my youngest late in life and my Dr. wanted me to have all the special test done for downs syndrome and such. I refused any of the test. I wanted my baby no matter what and would have never terminated my pregnancy had I known there was any birth defects. I do think under normal circumstances if a woman doesnt want a child she should put it up for adoption. As Laura stated that IS the honorable thing to do!
I really wish that religious fanatics would stop dumping their judgements and their anger on top of women who choose to exercise the right to control their bodies. It's the ultimate irony that people who claim to represent a loving God resort to scare tactics and fear to support their mistaken beliefs.
And if you want to get technical, ANY form of birth control is abortion because it is preventing the formation of a POSSIBLE human. That includes condoms and birth control pills. According to the right wing fundamentalist Christian Taliban, sex is used for PROCREATION and replenishing the earth. So if you use birth control you are stopping this procreation.
and personally it gets sickening to see 20 year olds running around with 3 or 4 kids with 2 or 3 daddy's....and who suffers, the taxpayers that support these kids for the rest of their lives.
JMO
"if by contraceptives you mean condoms then by all means hand them out at the appropriate ages."
Yes this what I meant... any other form should be handled by a dr.
"There are to many families who cannot have children who would love to adopt or be foster parents until a good loving and caring home could be found [if it is a Christian or Jewish then all the better}"
WOW talk about Racism...so Christians and Jews are the better parents. Yep, nothing like raising a few more bigoted, narrow minded, hate filled, judgemental, little american terrorists, that believe in some man that is also his own father and thinks that abortion is wrong, but also thinks you should stone to death a child that backtalks you. MAKES SENSE TO ME....makes sense to raise your child up on the single most violent book ever written by man. Ah, and the war on terror was started by a "good christian man". There are plenty of evil doers right here in the good ole USA and I like to call them the Southern Baptists. You preach intolerance and hate while covering it with love and understanding.
and Michael, you are so consumed with homosexuality. I was always told the ones that bark the loudest about it are the ones that have something to hide.
I was always told the ones that bark the loudest about it are the ones that have something to hide.
-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1
Boy, you must really be hiding something, cause you sure are barking....
I'm sure that Jesus loves everyone, but I'm not so sure jesuslovesevery1 does :)
William
I have nothing to hide , besides if I did , God knows it anyway
Sorry but I am not the one that brings up homosexuality in every blog written...that would be Mr. Bell himself. I am thinking he should just come on out of the closet.
I have nothing to hide. Sorry to burst your bubble there CFDER.
and personally it gets sickening to see 20 year olds running around with 3 or 4 kids with 2 or 3 daddy's....and who suffers, the taxpayers that support these kids for the rest of their lives.
JMO
-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Oct 29, 2007, at 1:02 PM
No, I think the kids are the ones who suffer the most in those situations.I agree that taxpayers shouldn't have to support them, but I don't think we should pay for their abortions, either. Why would they use contraceptives if they could just go to the hospital and have an abortion every time they got pregnant?
Women have the right to control their bodies and they should use it by not getting pregnant. Abortion is controlling the body of an unborn child.
Women have the right to control their bodies and they should use it by not getting pregnant. Abortion is controlling the body of an unborn child.
-- Posted by devan on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 4:39 AM
Very well said!!
That 20 year old with however many kids she wants to have is fine by me if she can and will support them. Does it matter to you how many different dad's HER kids have? That sounds a little judgemental.
As for the birth control being equal to abortion??? Well, here's how this works...birth control prevents the lining of your uterus from thickening properly so that IF an egg is fertilized it NEVER attaches. Abortion is finding out you are pregnant and never once do you say "holy crap what will I do with my zygote" you say "holy crap what will I do with a BABY"!
"I really wish that religious fanatics would stop dumping their judgements and their anger on top of women who choose to exercise the right to control their bodies. It's the ultimate irony that people who claim to represent a loving God resort to scare tactics and fear to support their mistaken beliefs."
-Judgement would mean that we think they are bad people, correct? No one said they are bad people, just selfish. I don't believe anyone has used scare tactics. My God is a loving God, who also loves babies.
Keep pulling out defenses that make you sleep better at night, I'll keep shooting them down one by one. NEVER is it EVER ok to kill a baby! NEVER!
What about Hitler? Would you had rather aborted him? Or do you prefer seeing 6,000,000+ Jews suffer under his reign of terror? 1 or 6,000,000.. there was no way to know how horrible he would be, but my goodness, what if you were given the choice, simply because you knew what they would do with their life?
I don't think that was the point. The point is, Hitler himself was once a BABY inutero. You want to abort them b/c of how bad they may screw up? and that is ok?
Yes, I have been thinking, it is so much more humane to have teenage girls, that have noone to turn to, because their parents are probably judgemental neo christian nazi's and they would have been shunned or disowned, to give birth to babies and then bash their heads or just simply trash them in the nearest garbage can. That certainly is more humane than giving them the option to abort the baby. Or what about the parents that have the babies and then decide to kill all 5 of their kids cause it was just too much or because "god was telling her they would grow up to be evil". Yes, that seems so much more humane, staring into your child's eyes while you are drowning them. When in reality she didn't want the kids, the man did, because it was his job to populate the earth.
Ever think those kids would rather have never been born than to be born and then murdered? And a 1-12 week old fetus is NOT A BABY..no more than sperm and an egg in petri dish ready to be fertilized. A HUMAN is defined as something that can exist on it's on, without the nutrients of it's hosting body. I don't believe in abortions after the baby is deemed viable OUTSIDE of the womb, until then, it is not consider a living breathing human.
I am not for or against abortion, I am for the rights of women to choose. Until the "man" can give birth, Washington has no right to tell ANYONE what to do with their body and if your Jesus is such a loving and forgiving Jesus, the certainly he would forgive that and possibly even understand why someone made that choice.
I have children and wouldn't trade them for the world. But having them was my choice and I don't want anybody telling me what I can and can't do with MY BODY..NOT GOD'S BODY!
Maybe if our children saw how responsible people have pets ...
Don't breed unless the parents have the age and physical and mental well-being to have healthy offspring.
Don't breed unless you will offer each baby a competent,loving home.
Don't adopt unless you will give that baby adequate food,water,shelter,safety,time,training and love.
Don't jettison a pet because it's not 'perfect'-particularly if your criteria are based on age,sex,appearance,'profitability' or anything else that has nothing to do with their worth as an individual.
Don't have a pet to give you status or fill your emotional voids.
Remember that each being you bring into your life is a responsibility as well as a joy,a blessing as well as an obligation.
If we saw that modeled in how we add family members that grow up fast and don't require clothes or textbooks,maybe we could apply the same care with the humans who join us.
Relationships aren't about our egos or convenience.
They're about respect and caring going both ways.
The sooner we instill that idea into our world,the faster abortion will become like amputation or removing life support from someone with no brain stem activity: a tragic medical procedure that no one prohibits,no one profits from and no one takes lightly.
If we don't choose to govern ourselves appropriately,we'll be ruled by others whose agendas could be all about their greed instead of our need.
I think what jesuslovesevery1 is saying is that its OK to use abortion as a way to clean up after bad decisions made and to prevent social ills that might follow if babies aren't aborted. I believe that comes under the "end justifies the means" philosophy. Everyone agrees that's a good one to live by don't they? â*¿½*¿½The first sign of corruption in a society that is still alive is that the end justifies the meansâ*¿½*¿½
George Bernanos
And yes it is God's body.
NO, I never said I was FOR abortion, devan.. Take your glasses off, clean them a bit, and RE-READ!
Or better yet, if you don't have glasses, please invest in those or some other image enhancing protocol.
You plainly stated you were not for or against abortion. Everything else you said pretty much said you were for it up to the time a fetus was viable outside the mothers body. Most of us who oppose abortion call that being for abortion. "A woman's right to choose" is just a code phrase that means for abortion. Don't equivocate. I did not miss read what you wrote.
If I'm not mistaken (and quite often that does happen), I think I may KIND OF understand a little of what jesuslovesevery1 is trying to say.
I would NEVER have an abortion. EVER. That's not the right decision for me. But just because I don't think it's right for me, doesn't mean I need to shove my beliefs down someone else's throat.
Afterall, who am I to tell another woman what she can and cannot do with her body? I will not be the one to judge this woman at the end of her time - so I'm going to do my best to not judge her now.
It is not against the law; its against the morals of certain people.
Quantumcat, I think if more children were taught in this manner more of society's ills would vanish. Wonderful thoughts - kudos to you!
I understand what jesuslovesevery1 is saying,and what you are saying. The difference comes in whether we think the fetus (and I believe that starts at conception) should be considered separate from the woman. I do not, so I believe that in an abortion the woman is controlling something besides her body. When it comes to the morals of "certain people" that gets into the question of whether there are any universal moral standards by which society should be guided. I do think there are. I don't believe you can pick and choose just those moral standards you want to live by.
Thanks,amori_da_viaggiere.
I fear that technology might render this issue moot before we ever get the moral maturity to deal with this controversy.
Someday,we may be able to tell exactly when life begins,bring a child to term outside the womb or put a pregnancy 'on hold' as some animals can do.
We might learn how to postpone puberty so folks aren't able to reproduce until they've gotten past being children themselves.
Until then,we'll have to make do with teaching our young how to think before they act and teach our institutions (family,church,government,etc.) how to give potential parents the support they need to go the distance.
How many pregnancies end because the mothers see them as the end of the women's lives rather than the begining of a child's?
How many are terminated because the mother can't manage to trust herself (or any agencies) to meet her baby's needs?
How many abortions occur because the child would be flawed or because it was conceived in hate rather than love?
Abortions aren't all about medical necessity nor are they all about selfishness.
Sometimes,they happen because of a lack of hope.
As important as it is to insure that such procedures are kept safe and accessible,it is more important to cure the problems that make folks seek them in the first place.
jesuslovesevery1, here is your problem, you are talkin about extreme cases of people who screw up. Fact is, Hitler's mother should have raised him better. Maybe if she weren't sleeping with her own son he wouldn't have been so screwed up to begin with. As for drowning your children, that is not the fault of the children iether, but it is still them you are talking about killing...how does that justify itself? You can control your body.....take birthcontrol, and if you don't feel that is enough use condoms as well. You have NO RIGHT to control someone elses body as you have stated. A baby is not your body, it is infact someone elses body! Like it or not.
When you saw the second line on your pregnancy tests did you EVER say to yourself or aloud "Wow! A fetus!"? Of course not, you said to yourself "wow! a baby!".
If you get to kill babies b/c of what they may turn out like, can you kill them b/c they won't be exactly what you planned? And if you can kill them b/c they screw up a little, what happens if you have killed the cure for cancer b/c he messed up and went to jail in high school?
The scenarios you gave above, could have all ended in adoption.....where would those babies be now?
You are throwing in a crap load of what if's. Fact is you DO have control over your body. If you don't want to get pregnant do not take part in the act that commissions a pregnancy. If you do take part in that act, you are responsible for the outcome. If you mistakenly get pregnant and you can not raise a baby there are plenty of people who can and are waiting on your phone call.
You DO NOT get to play executioner and decide that this baby has to die b/c you are too selfish to go through a pregnancy and adoption.
You DO NOT get to play executioner and decide that this baby has to die b/c you are too selfish to go through a pregnancy and adoption.
-- Posted by LauraSFT on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 7:33 AM
Really? That's not what the law says, now is it?
jesuslovesevery1, I see that you are out of justifications. I will lay this to rest now. Good day!
Well, the day you are faced with a choice, of perhaps one of your children being raped and being forced to carry a fetus for nine months knowing it was against her will, or if the possibility of dying due to delivery complcations, is the day you can then say "NEVER is it EVER" ok to kill a baby.
Again, it isn't ok for anybody to have habitual abortions, or just because some scantily clad teenager or even adult made a mistake. The people who passed Roe v. Wade, had enough common sense to understand, that even if abortions were "illegal" they would still continue to happen. The point of it, is to provide a safe, sanitary, and proper place so you don't have hundreds upon thousands of girls, who because you think they shouldn't have a choice, trying to kill it on their own.
Stop putting fear into people's lives, it doesn't do anything to alleviate the burden. And it most certainly doesn't contribute to a solution. Roe v. Wade was put in place for a reason. Though, it like many laws can be abused.
Jesusloveseveryone1 I agree with your last post. While I do not agree with abortions except in cases of risk to mom's health, I do understand that women are going to have abortions whether I believe it's morally ok or not. I just wish it wasn't so easy to obtain an abortion and that more education was made available in forms of birth control, fetal development (heart is usually pumping blood before mom confirms pregnancy) and also the after effects most women have after the procedure.
I don't pass judgement on those who have aborted but pray for them for choosing that decision. I think that except for only a select few, this had to have been a painful decision. I know several women who have aborted and have seen both ends of the spectrum. One woman laughs about it (but may cry in private I don't know) and another woman is a supermom to her children she had after the abortion. She is trying to make up for what she didn't do for her first baby.
I was a young teen mom & my daughter a teen mom so I have twice been put in a place where others may have chosen a different decision. I know for me and for my daughter ( who I have raised and believes as I do about abortion) choosing to give our children life was the right choice. I only wish it was for so many other women.
Abortion should be illegal because it promotes promiscuous behavior and kills innocent children. However, you cannot say that we are not allowed to play executioner and decide that a baby has to die and also say that abortion is ok just because the mother is raped, or the child is not normal, or the mother's health is in danger. To change the outcome in those specific cases would be playing God also and invalidates your entire position on abortion. In the case of rape for example, a woman is raped by a man and a baby is conceived. That child is just as innocent as any other child and to terminate would be no different that terminating a married couples pregnancy. Doctors perform tests to determine if a child is normal during pregnancy. I know of people that have been told their child would not be normal and it turned out to be normal and vice versa, so terminating that pregnancy is definitely playing God. And in some cases, maybe God has a specific reason for taking a mother's life during a pregnancy. The Lord acts in mysterious ways and we do not have the foresight to begin to understand any of it. So you can either be pro-life or pro-choice, but being pro-life in certain cases and not others means you are actually pro-choice.
Nathan, I agree!
I just don't understand, IF you are raped why can't you just give that baby up for adoption? IF the pregnancy will cost you your life, this would probably be from a condition you were already aware of. I ask you to give me one example of my putting fear into someone's life.
On the other hand, IF you say you are raped so that you can have an abortion would that not cost the state more money b/c A. you want them to pay for the abortion and B. now they have to find this person who supposedly raped you?
IF the pregnancy will cost you your life, this would probably be from a condition you were already aware of. Posted by LauraSFT on Thu, Nov 1, 2007, at 8:59 AM
Yes for the most part that's true tho I'm not sure in cases of ectopic pregnancies. My daughter has a rare condition and had complications after her first delivery but it wasn't diagnosed. She nearly died after her second delivery and thank God her doctor discovered the problem. If my daughter were to get pregnant again chances are very high that her and the baby would both die. She has taken all the precautions to prevent future pregnancies but should her birth control fail (not likely but not impossible) I feel like it would be her decision if she chose to end the pregnancy. I felt the way I do about abortion in case of mother's health before all this happened but now that it's happened with MY daughter I feel even more strongly now. My daughter has 2 little girls at home who need their mom. We hope and pray that decision never needs to be made but if it did I would honor and respect my daughter's decision whatever it would be.
DannysGal, if they know future pregnancy would kill her, I know my doctor would assure this wouldn't happen by tying her tubes. As for ectopic pregnancy, that is why they do an ultrasound at the first appointment nowadays, to rule that out. In the case of an ectopic pregnancy it is not just the mother's life that is in danger, the baby will also parish.
I do think maternal health is important, VERY important if the mother WILL die there is no reason to begin a pregnancy to start with. However, if you aren't diagnosed with an illness that could end your life until you are already pregnant that is one case in which you should be able to chose, BUT along with that choice a surgery should follow ensuring that you DO NOT get pregnant again.
I don't think we should tell women they can't get pregnant any more than we should tell them they can't abort a baby. In one comment you mention it is never right to abort a child, in another you want to prevent some women from even getting pregnant? Where is your "faith" now, that God can't allow a women has been diagnosed with some disease, to not pass it on and still wish to have children? Oxymoron I do believe.
Ummm, what I said was....If you know that you have something wrong with you that would cause you to die in labor or something wrong to the extent of not being able to carry a baby at the risk of your own life then you should not get pregnant. I'm not seeing how that doesn't make sense to you.
Ok, so apparently you don't have has much faith in god as you say you do.
what on earth are you talking about? I believe you have gone mad!
Forget it Laura, this person is just an instigator. No one is taking them seriously.
Yeah, I'm not either... I have chosen to abstain from this blog... I feel equally divided on the issue, and since I am male, and can't give birth I have no room to talk.
Forget it Laura, this person is just an instigator. No one is taking them seriously.
-- Posted by cfder on Thu, Nov 1, 2007, at 12:32 PM
"Faith".. something Laura said in many past blogs, that could not be shaken, because her faith in god is so strong. But, what I don't understand is, why tell someone because they have a disease that may cause them their life, NOT to get pregnant. Doesn't your god work miracles. How will you ever know, if you tell someone NOT to get pregnant. With every pregnancy you take a chance regardless if your risk is higher than anyone elses, that is the beauty of it, when everything goes smoothly.
I believe you are right cdfer
This is beginning to sound very much like a dictatorship in here. I read these blogs almost daily and it seems to me that many of you are bound and determined to force your beliefs on everybody by government controlled laws. Who are you to say what is right or what is wrong for someone else? Just because it is not right for you does not mean it is not right for someone else. You have no idea what other people believe or what hardships their lives include.
Should a 14 year old girl ruin her entire life because she made a mistake by having a child? This question should only be answered by the parent or the teenager not you nor your government.
Adoption paints a pretty picture but there are thousands of unwanted children in Tennessee orphanages and foster homes now. No one wants these children but yet your solution is adoption. Many of the children in foster homes are in a home less than a year then moved to another foster home. This happens their entire life unless they are one of the very few lucky ones who manage to get adoptive parents. Most of these children never know a real family and have no concept of what family life truly is, they go though their entire life feeling rejected by their real parents feeling unloved and unwanted, if given the choice maybe they would wish they were never born. Even people who wish to adopt go outside the US because it takes so long for the adoption process in the US.
I know this all to be true, I myself was a foster child. I had one of the most miserable lives anyone could ever ask for I was abused and raped by foster parents. Unloved and unwanted by others no one truly cared if I lived or died. They wanted the check the government was sending for my support but I saw little to none of that money for my benefit. I have spent thousands of dollars in therapy trying to recover from my childhood and still do not feel as a normal human being should. I have wished many many many times I had never been born. It had to be easier than the lost feelings I have, even to this day.
Go to this website of listed orphangans and foster groups and see the thousands of children in limbo just waiting and these are just a few in Middle Tennessee these do not include foster homes, choosing adoption is not a good choice. That is my opinion and my opinion is just a valid as yours the difference is I am not trying to take your choice away!
http://www.tennesseeadoption.org/members...
many of you are bound and determined to force your beliefs on everybody by government controlled laws. Who are you to say what is right or what is wrong for someone else? Just because it is not right for you does not mean it is not right for someone else. You have no idea what other people believe or what hardships their lives include.
-- Posted by donna37160 on Thu, Nov 1, 2007, at 1:08 PM
If the people elect and reelect conservative leaders and representatives long enough to allow them time to appoint and confirm conservative judges, and those conservative judges say that abortion is illegal when the current law is challenged that will be the new law of the land. The thing is Conservatives have been winning when it counts (with abortion being the leading issue that tips the balance) and will probably continue to do so in the next election regardless of the war or the economy.
What gives us the right to say what is wrong and what is right for someone else? "We The People" of the United States of America have the right to collectively create the laws that all citizens of our nation must obey. Our Constitution gives us that right.
Adoption paints a pretty picture but there are thousands of unwanted children in Tennessee orphanages and foster homes now. No one wants these children but yet your solution is adoption. Many of the children in foster homes are in a home less than a year then moved to another foster home. This happens their entire life unless they are one of the very few lucky ones who manage to get adoptive parents. Most of these children never know a real family and have no concept of what family life truly is, they go though their entire life feeling rejected by their real parents feeling unloved and unwanted, if given the choice maybe they would wish they were never born. Even people who wish to adopt go outside the US because it takes so long for the adoption process in the US.
-- Posted by donna37160 on Thu, Nov 1, 2007, at 1:08 PM
AMEN! I have two adopted brothers, one is 13 and the other is 8... They were in ATLEAST, 5 separate foster homes before we were finally blessed to get them. You couldn't have said it better.
One thing I have always found fascinating, is that people are quick to point out how amazing adoption is. It can be rewarding, but it can also be detrimental. Adoption, just like abortion, is not the child's decision. Have you ever wondered why aDoPtion and aBoRtion, are nearly spelled the same? WEIRD.
There are agencies that specialize in finding adoptive parents for your baby before the baby is born.
If that is true Laura then why are there so many children in Foster Care and Orphanages.
There are agencies that specialize in finding adoptive parents for your baby before the baby is born.
-- Posted by LauraSFT on Thu, Nov 1, 2007, at 3:42 PM
Apparently the agencies are way behind. Because Omni and the State of Tennessee are lacking fundamental capbailities, including overloading case workers with too many families.
*Capabilities... Sorry
Some of the problems with abortion and adoption is that there are people who don't see the child as anything but an object.
Live thing,dead thing,unborn,teenager...
It's all the same.
They exist only to the degree that they benefit those selfish individuals.
Then there are people who truly value and honor life who have dealt with abortion or adoption.
They don't discount the worth of any being at any stage of life.
The issue of faith is tricky.
I could take my own life after hearing I have cancer if I have no faith in my being healed by God alone or God with science.
Or I might be so sure I was indispensible that I would go skydiving without a parachute.
I think either attitude smacks of hubris.
God expects us to use as much common sense and foresight as we have available.
It is possible for mother and child to survive a pregnancy complicated by gestational diabetes,cancer,preeclampsia,etc.
It is not advisable to risk trauma to a woman or her unborn child by courting a high-risk pregnancy.
As with all other life issues,I suggest we try for the kindest,most rational choices and save heroic measures from on high for an addition to our reasonable conduct-not as a substitution for it.