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Doctors can do abortions all the time and women can choose to do them and there are no repercussions but these men Peterson and the one just recently were charged with the murder of their wife or girlfriend and their unborn baby.
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Good point!
The baby in question was 8 months gestation and would have been viable outside of the womb...MOOT POINT...1-12 week old fetuses are not viable and can't survive...
Keep your nose out of women's uterus' please...their body, their choice.
oh we were just talking about how nice it was that you haven't posted and then you did....speak of the devil and he shall appear huh?
To coin a phrase from Hollywood "I'll be back"
You think I have been bold or evil [whichever way you see it] you ain't seen nothing yet .
I am just reloading for the long haul.
If a person had a good conscience the choice would be easy.
First- have Jesus in your heart and this shouldn't happen [if you truly have him]
Second don't get pregnant.
Third put the baby up for adoption.
If it does happen seek forgiveness from God and loose the guilt and don't do it again.
But for a society with no morals, I guess this has become the norm instead of a rare occurrence.
Whomever gets to be president I hope the abortion bill is overhauled.
Partial birth abortion-banned forever.
if caught the same punishment as a cold- blooded killer,life in prison or the death sentence.
Abortion only allowed in case of rape [has to be proven] incest or death to the mother.
Any illegal birth abortions life in prison to the parents who choose and the doctor who does them.
If you are desperate to get a back alley abortion...well that is punishment enough.
If the penalties were stricter for all crimes and people had a fear of breaking the law for fear of losing a appendage or being flogged or horse whipped or put on as chain gang. No "comforts of home" in your cell. I think the crime rate would drop drastically.
It is a crying shame that killers, thieves, rapist and child sex-offenders can live a life of comfort basically.
Actually, I wish they would pass a law like the Don't ask, Don't tell rule the government has for gays in the military.
But, I wish it were for religions.
Arrrghhh...
Do you realize how you both sound?
For all your genuine conviction,the undertone of arrogance and anger gets in the way of what you're trying to say.
Sometimes pregnancies are not due to misbehavior on a parent's part.
Is the child of rape or incest any less alive and human than the product of a cavalier one-night-stand?
Is a divorce permitted for fornication undisclosed before marriage any less destructive than the divorce for hidden adultery that is forbidden?
In either case,an adequate amount of love could go beyond unfortunate circumstances and make things right.
These particular exemptions seem to come from the hardnes of the human heart more than necessity.
It would seem more appropriate to humanely terminate a pregnancy that is non-viable or would cause hideous suffering to the child than to halt a life begun as an unlawful conception.
It would seem better to end a marriage steeped in current abuse than one tainted by a pre-marital mistake.
(I suspect that fornication became grounds for divorce because the parties involved were considered married by the sexual act and any subsequent bond was bigamous.
That would make the second marriage's dissolution more of an annulment rather than a divorce.)
We outgrew the draconian punishments of old for a reason.
If an accused person who is maimed is later found innocent,do we have the healing grace to restore the hand we removed?
Can we bring an executed person back to life?
Can we be so certain that we can detect all the sinners (and that none will turn their lives around) that we can demand another's permanent mutilation or death?
We may be wise enough to know we aren't qualified to cast the first stone but sometimes we hold fast to our rocks so we can go second.
Let me start off saying I do not believe in abortion for myself, but I do not dare stand in a posistion to judge what is right for others. I once was faced with whether I needed to have an abortion with my first child. MEDICAL REASONS! I was told I could take the chance on having my baby and we both die, I could have the baby and have a complete hysterectomy afterwards, or have an abortion and complete hysterectomy, only never have the chance to be a mother. I had my child and all signs of my problem disappeared. I went on to have another. That was God's grace. But when I was put in that position, I had to think of women who were put in that position and already had small children. Would I have done different I do not know. I know I did not have faith in Christ then and I do not think I would have wanted to die and leave my family. I choose not to judge on it. Do I like to think of ladies getting abortions just because they did not protect themselves? NO! But then Romans 3:23 tells us "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" Sin is sin in Gods eyes, but we as humans like to sit back and judge others.
"their body, their choice" - disturbia
This sort of logic absolutely floors me. So, the father of this baby has absolutely no voice in what a woman does with this "thing" that has invaded HER body?
Personally, I don't agree with abortions, but it's not my place to tell someone else that they can't have one...unless I was the father. In that instance, I would fight like hell to have a say in it. Fortunately for me I'm not single so this isn't really an issue for me.
Thom I truly understand where you are coming from but there are so many men or even boys that want no say in the child even denying the child is even theirs..so why in these cases should the woman or the girl feel she needed his approval?
Great point Diana!! Or what about the ones that want it at first and then the baby comes and they disappear leaving a unwed, perhaps, teen mother with nothing. Accidents happen, not everyone that gets pregnant is in a loving committed relationship.
And the adoption thing, there are 450,000 kids unadopted in the U.S or in foster homes because noone wants them.
I am not for nor against, I am for the right of the woman. She will have to go before God and ask for forgiveness and he will give it to her. That's a personal decision for HER. Like jesuslives said "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" Sin is sin in Gods eyes, but we as humans like to sit back and judge others."
Michael,
You said, "If you are desperate to get a back alley abortion...well that is punishment enough."
Well what about the 13 year old that wasn't priveleged enough to be (as you would put it)"raised right" gets pregnant, has noone to turn to and turns to this desperate act and dies because a legal clean sterile place is no longer available. Are you saying her death was deserved? How very christian of you and how sad that you think that's a christian attitude.
Thom I truly understand where you are coming from but there are so many men or even boys that want no say in the child even denying the child is even theirs..so why in these cases should the woman or the girl feel she needed his approval?
-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM
Because he still will be required to pay child support for the next 18 years!
I have never heard anyone ever say they were for abortion I don't think anyone in their right mind is for abortion but I do know many people who are for choice. This is not a choice that can be lumped all together saying everyone has the same situation, every woman's reasons are a different reasons and they are the one who have to live with the fact of abortion not you nor I. This is the very reason it Must be a choice for every woman not just the ones you deem worthy of choice.
Because he still will be required to pay child support for the next 18 years!
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 8:36 PM
Not if she has an abortion
Not if she has an abortion
-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 8:37 PM
Roffles! You're silly.
But if the woman in question doesn't bother to get the input of the father, then she will never know what his true feelings on it are. I would imagine that the majority of men (not boys) would want the child to be born and to be an integral part of the child's life.
"Or what about the ones that want it at first and then the baby comes and they disappear leaving a unwed, perhaps, teen mother with nothing. Accidents happen, not everyone that gets pregnant is in a loving committed relationship." - Disturbia
So, in the first part of this, you're saying that if the mother is unwed, or a teenager, the baby is an inconvenience since the father is not around. And secondly, if you're driving down the road and you and a man driving on the same road have an "accident", you're both still held accountable for your actions. Therefore, if a woman and a man have an "accident" then they should both be held accountable for their actions that resulted in this "accident".
Classic Scenario:
Girl: Honey guess what I'm pregnant
Guy: Are you sure?
Girl: Yea doctor says so
Guy: But we decided to wait until I finished college (or got my promotion or bought a house or a g-zillion other reasons)
Girl: Well I didn't do it on purpose I was taking the pill
Guy: Are you sure it's even mine?
Those my friend are usually the famous last words.
If a person had a good conscience the choice would be easy.
First- have Jesus in your heart and this shouldn't happen [if you truly have him]
Second don't get pregnant.
Third put the baby up for adoption.
If it does happen seek forgiveness from God and loose the guilt and don't do it again......
It is a crying shame that killers, thieves, rapist and child sex-offenders can live a life of comfort basically.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 4:45 PM
Genesis 38:24 Tamar's pregnancy was discovered three months after conception, presumably because it was visible at that time. This was positive proof that she had been sexually active. Because she was a widow, without a husband, she was assumed to be a prostitute. Her father-in-law Judah ordered that she be burned alive for her crime. If Tamar's twin fetuses had been considered to have any value whatsoever, her execution would have been delayed until after their birth. There was no condemnation on Judah for deciding to take this action. (Judah later changed his mind when he found out that he was the man responsible for Tamar's pregnancy.)
Exodus 13:1-2 "The Lord said to Moses, 'Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether [hu]man or animal.'" Throughout much of the ancient Middle East, the firstborn son in each family was ritually murdered as a sacrifice to the Gods. However if the first son was preceded either by the birth of a girl or a miscarriage, then the ceremony is not performed, as the son was not the first offering of the womb.
Exodus 22:29"Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me." Many Old Testament theologians believe that this is another remnant of the time when the ancient Hebrews and Canaanites ritually murdered their first son, sacrificing him to their god.
So it's only "OK" to abort or kill a child when God tells you to?
Sure both are responsible for the accident, but Thom that doesn't mean that the other driver will ever pay one red cent for the accident or help take care of the accident.YES they should both be held accountable but sorry, most aren't. Wonder how many men are supposed to be paying child support yet haven't paid one single penny. oh wait..MY DAD is one, still waiting on child support at my age :) hope I get it soon, that 25 a week he owes my mom (since she worked 3 jobs to get by)will help her out so much now that I am grown. He was just as much of the accident (and believe me, I was reminded ALOT that I was an unwanted pregnancy) as she was and he got off scott free. And no, the court system didn't help a bit. It was hard on my mom in the decade I was born in and things were much cheaper then couldn't imagine trying to raise a child on my own in this day and age.
Once again, it's personal choice, it's not my choice, but it's not my right to condemn those that choose that road.
I am a woman and I don't agree with abortion. I mean, what if my mother decided that it was too much work or an inconvenience to have me? Why not put the child up for adoption? If you are going to kill your baby and you have no problem with it, then it shouldn't bother you to give it away. The only exception to my beliefs is if it poses a threat to the mother's health, then I think that she should have a choice. Me personally, if I found out that my pregnancy could pose threats to my own health I would pray and trust God to get me through. There was a banner that was in the parade that that really touched me and maybe everyone should think about "Thank God Mary chose life"
I am a woman and I don't agree with abortion. I mean, what if my mother decided that it was too much work or an inconvenience to have me? Why not put the child up for adoption? If you are going to kill your baby and you have no problem with it, then it shouldn't bother you to give it away. The only exception to my beliefs is if it poses a threat to the mother's health, then I think that she should have a choice. Me personally, if I found out that my pregnancy could pose threats to my own health I would pray and trust God to get me through. There was a banner that was in the parade that that really touched me and maybe everyone should think about "Thank God Mary chose life"
I dont really like abortions but I dont think it is the government's job to enforce certain religious beliefs or dictate what a woman can do to her own body . . .especially in certain situations like rape and medical emergencies.
I mean, it's funny how the people who are pro life are usually for the death penalty. Isn't all life precious if we use that same reasoning?
Jaxspike,
I am not for the death penalty except in extreme cases, especially if the person confesses(and the evidence matches the confession) or the DNA is overwhelming. That is why so many states are reconsidering the death penalty because so many have been cleared since new DNA technology. IF I was on a jury that was a death penalty case, you would have to convince me beyond any shadow of a doubt that the person did in fact do the crime. I really don't see how killing someone to show that killing is wrong solves the problem and I don't see how people who's relatives were victims get closure but once again, it's a touchy subject
and on a completely different note...everytime I see your name "spike" I think of BTVS..I LOVED SPIKE LOL...okay now back on topic :)
Well the death penalty is a touchy subject but I would say I would have to be for the death penalty for the same reasons I am pro choice. I feel there are situations that require the death penalty.
I can honestly say if somebody raped and killed my child they better give him the death penalty because if they don't I would be forced to kill him myself. Would that be justice? yes to me it would. And I don't think I would think twice about doing it either.
AMEN TO THE LAST COMMENT!!!!
Disturbia . . part of my username was a reference from Buffy. Glad someone loved the show too. :-)
I can honestly say if somebody raped and killed my child they better give him the death penalty because if they don't I would be forced to kill him myself. Would that be justice? yes to me it would. And I don't think I would think twice about doing it either.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 11:22 PM
AMEN TO THE LAST COMMENT!!!!
-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:15 AM
See, here you are playing god... Michael I have a question, what if you knew an innocent child was going to grow up and rape and kill children, would you abort it then and save all those other innocent children's life... Because from the sounds of your comments "AMEN..." it would render no different if you killed them before they committed the atroscities or after.
Which makes your whole statement "If a person had a good conscience the choice would be easy.First- have Jesus in your heart and this shouldn't happen [if you truly have him]" NULL and VOID~!
This is why we have a legal system.
If we don't take emotionally charged incidents out of the hands of individuals,there could be fraudulent charges,mistakes and other problems that could lead to lynchings and other vigilante actions.
The groups or individuals responsible could wind up more scarred than vindicated.
We don't need omnipotent agencies deciding life or death,either.
There's too much possibility of corruption.
As imperfect as our justice system is,the presumption of innocence,a professional investigation of a case,competent legal counsel on both sides and a jury that performs its duties as it should are the best set of checks and balances we have.
Next to prevention,rehabilitation is the most desired outcome for criminals and our society.
We may not all have given our souls over to God.
(If this were Sunnydale instead of Shelbyville,we might not all HAVE souls.)
But,we are all held to certain standards of behavior.
(The Buffyverse indicates that even demons could act decently should they have the free will to do so.)
We must take responsibility for our own lives but before we make the choice to write off another's,we should ask whether they might not have it in them to bring great good into the world.
I only agree with abortion when it is medically nessasary, or the woman was raped and ended up pregnant.
In my eyes ANY pregnancy is a FUTURE baby ,but, I'm still pro choice.
I am floored by these young people who make babies on purpose thinking they will finally get the love and attention they obviously don't get now and then they realize how hard it is and how people won't bend over backwards for them like they thought people would. The kid or kids end up on TNCare or public assistance for US to take care of. and
Mike: There were lots of women who had Jesus in their heart back in the old days and He was all they knew. But, they didn't have the KNOWLEDGE of how a man could sweet talk them into trouble. This stuff happened at church revivals to some of my old kin-folks. Even after they'd had a baby, they didn't know HOW it happened so it happened again. Even their parents wouldn't explain cause it was unChristian to talk about. We have to have knowledge of both sides before prayers can work efficently.
Off topic post:
Michael,
You've had some good pictures of yourself here but I've yet to see one that shows the peace and strength and undilute joy of being one with Christ.
Certainly,believers have plenty of cause to be angered and grieving over the state of the world.
(God's people do not live in one big party with cuddles,kittens,cake and balloons.)
But,MAYBE,you might get a better response from your target audience if they could see more of hope and sheer delight in the days the Lord has made when they see your pic.
(I'm in no position to criticize. You look human in your photographs. I usually look like a constipated bullfrog.)
The world often paints believers as smug,scary,a bit dim and giddy,afraid of life or terminally boring.
Revealing the dynamic,self-assured and optimistic truth might encourage more people to think about salvation as a beginning rather than an end.
This isn't asking you to show life's glass as half full rather than half empty.
It's about rejoicing that you have a glass and even in times of spiritual drought,you will never,ever thirst.
Any people thought I was crazy and bad for speaking up.
Are you referring to your comment about "don't ask, don't tell" for religions? I don't think you're crazy or bad for speaking up, but I do think it's a bit of an asinine statement seeing as how freedom of religion is one of the founding ideals of our nation.
The baby in question was 8 months gestation and would have been viable outside of the womb...MOOT POINT...1-12 week old fetuses are not viable and can't survive...
-- Posted by Disturbia on Wed, Feb 27, 2008, at 4:17 PM
What is the exact moment when a fetus becomes viable? When does it go from a mass of cells to a human being? Has that age of viability changed over that past 1000 years? At some future date will science make it possible to remove that mass of cells from the mother and grow it into a living being? If you are basing your argument argument on viability of the fetus be prepared to accept that mass of cells as a viable baby based on scientific advances.
"Don't ask,Don't tell" goes against the values we claim to hold in this country.
If a person isn't doing anything wrong,why encourage concealment?
If they are,why hide the truth and deny them the chance to change and avoid further harm?
Well, *some* people might take exception to folks being a certain way-even if it's not bad.
In that case,should we cover up all our thoughts,our ethnic origins,our age and gender? What else?
If our ideologies mean much,evidence for them should be obvious in the way we conduct ourselves.
Rather than place the focus on speech or wardrobe,hair length and such,let's stand out for how much benefit we are to others.
How we live will influence the response made to who we are.
countrymom,
I know you're right about what occurred but there had to be some serious dumbing-down going on for that to happen.
Farm kids learned the difference between a cow,a bull and a steer.
They learned when young animals got old enough that they had to be separated from intact relatives of the opposite sex.
They learned when to lock up the animals in heat or take them in for breeding.
They knew if something ate the rooster,there would be eggs but no chicks until a new one was acquired.
A mare or gelding could pasture with your livestock-but not a stud.
Minds had to be powerfully squelched for youngsters not to make the connection between a woman's confinement and subsequent delivery and what went on with the animals.
Not to mention all the frank sexual issues in the Bible that would have to be ignored.
("What's 'adultery'? What's a 'virgin'?
You'd think God arranged things just to inconvenience the prudish.)
The flippant and the shame-burdened attitudes toward sex have a lot to answer for.
Sure both are responsible for the accident, but Thom that doesn't mean that the other driver will ever pay one red cent for the accident or help take care of the accident.YES they should both be held accountable but sorry, most aren't. Wonder how many men are supposed to be paying child support yet haven't paid one single penny. oh wait..MY DAD is one, still waiting on child support at my age :) hope I get it soon, that 25 a week he owes my mom (since she worked 3 jobs to get by)will help her out so much now that I am grown. He was just as much of the accident (and believe me, I was reminded ALOT that I was an unwanted pregnancy) as she was and he got off scott free. And no, the court system didn't help a bit. It was hard on my mom in the decade I was born in and things were much cheaper then couldn't imagine trying to raise a child on my own in this day and age.
Once again, it's personal choice, it's not my choice, but it's not my right to condemn those that choose that road.
Have you heard your dads side of this?
Did your mother not allow your father to be in your live. Did she make it so unbearable for him to be in your life?
I'm sorry for you but their are good men who would love to be in their childs life but mother makes it so unbearable that it is just easier for the dad to stay away. Can't go to court-for one it doesn't cost the woman anything but if dad wants to fight he has to hire an attorney. Court is ALWAYS on moms side. Let the waterfalls flow and she gets what guess what she must be telling the truth-SOMETIME THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
Thom,
It's the same thing, it is about the belief of what is right and wrong, homosexuality is a right or not?
is abortion a right or not?
is defending your country a right or not?
is religion a right or not?
What is the difference does any of this make if something tells or keeps their mouth quiet about what happens in their life? Why in this society is it so important for one person to tell another person they are wrong because they believe or do this?
If no-one mentions what they believe than no-one can argue about it. Simply put, don't ask, don't tell would solve alot of our problems. Doesn't sound so assinine now eh?
shelbyvegas,
Gee did I hear my dad's side of this...MANY MANY TIMES..he went fishing, did himself some thinking and he just wasn't cut out to be a father so he took off. Remarried and had another child. Which he went to court and fought for custody of. My mom went out of her way to get him to see me. Flew me to New Orleans to stay with his parents for a month so he could come and he didn't. I sent him birthday cards, school pictures, prom pictures and a graduation invitation and they were all marked return to sender.
And to this DAY my mother has yet to say a bad word about my sperm donor because "one day he may want to be a part of your life" well he has a better chance of sun bathing in Alaska than he does of becoming a part of my life. NOt that any of this was your business, but don't blame my mom for the actions of this loser. and there are PLENTY of stories just like mine. Sometimes it would have been better off if they hadn't of had me, then I wouldn't still be reminded that mom didn't want me and neither did my father. I wouldn't have to live with the resentment on a daily basis. Knowing this man lives in a swanky subdivison in the Boro now, raising his perfect son. All the while, up to 6 years ago, demanding yet ANOTHER DNA test to prove I was his...like the first 2 weren't enough for him. The judge laughed and told him to face the fact that I was his and he won't and that's fine.
I am sure someone will come back and say it's the past, don't dwell on resentment, well don't say that because it's pain and it's real and it hurts on a daily basis.
Had the same type of thing happen to me, cept he said he was coming to see me and instead as he passed by the house, he waved and I never saw him again. I was 9 years old. Then, when I made something for myself, he started to nose around asking for money. LOL.
EM - Actually, it sounds even more asinine now that you've attempted to explain it. Freedom of religion is a RIGHT, spelled out specifically in the Constitution. All the rest of the things you mentioned are (or should be) decided on a state, local, or personal level since they are not specifically addressed in the Constitution. That's what the 10th Amendment is all about. Unfortunately the idiots in Washington seem to have forgotten that one, in addition to a few others, in their quest for control of our lives.
That's what the 10th Amendment is all about. Unfortunately the idiots in Washington seem to have forgotten that one, in addition to a few others, in their quest for control of our lives.
-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 5:03 PM
The same one's who want control over women's bodies?
Disturbia
I'm just saying there are 3 sides to every story-his/hers/ and the truth.
In one sentence you say that your mother did everything possible for your dad to see you and in the next sentence you say your mom tells you she didn't want you----- that don't sound like a mother who has her childs best interet at heart.
Maybe someone could start a blog on 'are fathers treated fairly when it comes to their kids?"
I truly don't know of any woman who gets pregnant and wants to raise her child alone. Although I do know many women who are forced into this by the baby's father.
Thom,
I was making a point, if religion is a freedom and it is protected then why is the other stuff protected also. And if it is a right to Bear Arms, I still have Human Arms, I lost my freedom:(. If you think just being I asked those questions you felt I was placing them all in the same context, you are clearly wrong. I just find the each person thinks each one might be more important then the other.
If I had my way, I would rather enjoy the don't ask, don't tell policy.
At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career, and how to live their lives? Or should the government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that the government's decision?
The anti-abortion leaders really have a larger purpose. They oppose most ideas and most programs which can help women achieve equality and freedom. They also oppose programs which protect the health and well-being of women and their children.
Anti-abortion leaders claim to act in "defense of life." If so, why have they worked to destroy programs which serve life, including prenatal care and nutrition programs for dependent pregnant women? Is that respect for life?
Anti-abortion leaders also say they are trying to save children, but they have fought against health and nutrition programs for children once they are born. The anti-abortion groups seem to believe life begins at conception, but it ENDS at birth. Is this respect for life?
Then there are programs which diminish the number of unwanted pregnancies before they occur: family planning, counseling, sex education, and contraception for those who wish it. Anti-abortion leaders oppose those too. And clinics providing such services have been bombed. Is this respect for life?
Such stances reveal the ultimate cynicism of the compulsory pregnancy movement "Life" is not what they're fighting for.
If you are going to cut and paste you should cite the source.
This is just Planned Parenthood BS.
It's hilarious that you mentioned that... B/c it was a PDF file that I could not get to paste. And the link does not work in this browser. But don't you just love how all of a sudden reality is in your opinion "B/S"... The same people who would vote against abortion as being a right, just defeated the largest children's health bill that could have kept millions of kids healhy. Ironic how they never seem to be able to dig up enough money for that, but they can wage "pro life" wars in nations that never once harmed us.
An aborted child cant survive either. They get no choice. Lets see here,we can kill an unborn child but not allowed to spank a live one.
My heart goes out to all that have missed out on having a loving,supportive family.
These people can enjoy new bonds of their own making whether they marry,have children or not.
Blood and law are not all that can tie us together.
We can become family by joining heart to heart.
Some people aren't equipped to accept or give affection to others-not God,spouse,
child,friend,sibling or pet.
They might not be bad or cold-hearted,immature or mentally ill but they have a void inside that can't always be filled-no matter how much love and time we pour into it.
But,sometimes, they learn to care even if shame and despair,pride or fear keep them from showing it.
There was a patient in a nursing home once who was beaming while being attended to by one of the volunteers.
His visitors said: "You got a good kid lookin' after you,don't you?"
He grinned and agreed. "If I'd ever had children,I'd want them to be just like this one."
The volunteer was one of several children he fathered and ran into often -but he'd never been able to become a friend and Daddy until after his legal and biological ties to his children had been forgotten.
He hadn't rejected them as individuals.
He'd been trapped behind emotional barriers that it took dementia to erase.
Many of the very same arguments for/against this can be found here...
http://www.t-g.com/blogs/1109/entry/1624...
Nothing seems to have changed since last time. What makes this one any different? Except the person who wrote the one you're in now is a religious fanatic who defends killing people in certain aspects, but decries it in others.
Another stupid blog about a topic that will never be fully agreed upon. YAY!
Exactly my point.
This should help:
http://www.coolnurse.com/abortion_legal....
Disturbia and Evil Monkey
I'm sorry you both had to go through what you did. My father was there for me, but my mother died of M.S. It was hard but I also had my grandparents to take care of me. Be glad you at least have your mother. I don't know if you have children, but I know now that as a mother I would do anything for them. I couldn't imagine after holding my baby that anyone could abort such a helpless, wonderful creation. Sometimes it helps to talk to that person and let them know how you feel then let them go their own way.
Micheal
You need to smile for the camera. You have Jesus in your heart! That's every reason to smile.
Actually, I thought the major issue with abortion was the life of the child...isn't THAT what they're aborting?
jesuslovesevery1- you're right, this topic wil NEVER be fully agreed on.
Disturbia and Evil Monkey - You're not the only ones that were raised in a single parent home...and I'm sure there will be plenty more (like me). Just because some men are horrible people doesn't mean that the kids should be aborted. Imagine if that were the way out that your mothers had decided on...we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Micheal
You need to smile for the camera. You have Jesus in your heart! That's every reason to smile.
-- Posted by Annette 5 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:42 PM
UH, WRONG!
This should help:
http://www.coolnurse.com/abortion_legal....
-- Posted by devan on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:05 PM
Thanks for this link.. darrick only touched on the anti abortion group's section, you have inclined me to read the rest :) .. I am sure those weren't your intentions, but sometimes having them backfire helps those who wouldn't otherwise know where to search. LOL. Jesus still loves everyone!
That was exactly my intention. As you say we are probably never going to agree on this but I have no problem with the open exchange of ideas. BS to me may be fertilizer to others.
Maybe if the fathers {divorced or unwed) had the same legal rights that mothers do and the courts treated them as equals then maybe there wouldn't be as much abortion issues and also father hating issues. I just bet there are fathers who would have loved their children given the chance without a bitter mother interferring. True there are some who don't give a darn but I bet there are MORE that had they been given the same treatment the mother had they would be the better parent.
Michael, must you really TRY to stir up discontent? That's a question I'm not expecting an answer from but I do think it is one you should take to heart and think about on a much more thorough level. Is that really what your "ministry" is about? If so, that's sad.
shelbyvegas, there are more women who aren't dead set on being a tyrant and are concerned about the well being of their children. So, before you stir your own discontent look at this from the other side of the coin. The side of a woman who knows, from experience, that their childs father can not, will not and has no interest in acting in the best interest of his child. You aren't the only one who feels like you're getting screwed, chances are good, she does too.
qcat, of course they were "dumbed down" and this was way back in the 40's, but I have to say that I was too in the 70's. Our cute little pastel Easter chicks we got one year grew up and I thought they were fighting but dad said they were "sparking". I didn't know what that meant.
The husband and I watched Gone Baby Gone last nite after kids to bed and we "discussed" the ending and right and wrong till after midnite. Point being the child would have been better off anywhere else but with the mother.
JMHO
My great grandmother wore ear wax from a mule in a vile around her neck for birth control. She had like 16 kids, it didn't work! lol
yeah Mike, I have to say that we can't see the "joy, joy, joy, joy, down in your heart". A smile would help ;)
I am not trying to so discontent, just keep the voice of morality heard.
Words have meanings. This lackadaisical manner we treat the word ABORTION with is absolutely sick. Darn skippy it should be illegal! I wonder why noone talks about providing mental health care for young women brave enough to to carry the baby full term and put the child up for adoption. "Their body, their choice" What the heck is that? You cannot prostute yourself, you can't sell your kidney, you can't kill. As a society in whole we need to quit creating words to substitute facts. Murder is as murder is....I would like to see some studies done, to do this in a healthy manner for all women effected. Women up! its only nine months of your life. Once the child is born....move on.
I am not trying to so discontent, just keep the voice of morality heard.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 3:59 PM
LMAO! You are by no means a voice for morality... Look in the mirror bud, it would do you a big favor!
at least I have some morals.Bud!
Michael
I can sense that your getting a little upset with the way people are talking to you. I wasn't trying to be mean earlier about the picture. I usually look mad in my pics, not realizing I look that way. Noone should question when you make a comment. They just need to listen and then give their opinion. I don't believe in abortion. I do think it's murder. Don't they wait until so many weeks before they actually do the aborting? That would tell me they wait until there is actually something to kill. JMO.
An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in it's death.
The dictionary says it all. "death"
Thank God Mary chose life......or else we wouldn't have one.
Mary didn't have a choice...
What choice did Mary not have?
There ya go Mike! I nice big smile!
I agree countrymom. He's got the joy, joy, joy, joy down in his heart! Nice picture Micheal.
I have to agree Micheal Much better picture.
oops sorry Michael
Thank you ,I have always hated taking pictures and in most cases if you don't smile , people won't ask to take them.
Ha! I agree. When someone gets out their camera I usually leave the room, or pretend to go to the bathroom. Isn't that awful?