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Most teachers of the Bible say that Gen chp1 is a prefaces or a overview and chapter two is a more in detail .
Some say that chapter one is the creation of the nations and chapter two is the creation of the Jewish race which would bring forth Christ.
I have heard it taught that Adam's first wife was Lilith and because she would not submit to Adam [for she was created at the same time as Adam] she was banished from the garden and some Jewish sects still wear amulets to protect their newborns from her spirit which is called a succubus.
She is blamed for bringing young boys dreams which cause nocturnal emissions which there is a law against in the Bible.
The number of God's depend on whether you believe in the Trinity as the Catholic church teaches it or as some believe that God and Jesus are separate individuals.
Childbearing is not sinful I have read that the punishment for Eve's sin was that instead of a twice a year cycle it became every month.
Some have taught that in the beginning people were supposed to speak life into existence the same way God did.
For all the pain that childbearing brings the first sound of crying wipes it away [or so I have been told]
God created the earth and told man to partake of everything the God planted a garden and placed Adam in it and said except for the TREE OF LIFE.
On research and just plain believing I have come to the conclusion that Jerusalem was and is the Garden of Eden.
When God told Adam that he would surely die it was a spiritual death not a physical one.
If I drank poison I might die then or I might die later.
Man was destined to live forever.
God did not say when God just said he would.
It has been said that when the Hebrew text were written they had no punctuation or chapter or verses that is why I study with different people who have access to those manuscripts and learn from them.
A lot of the answers to the so- called contradictions can be found in Jewish traditions.
The Bible talks of the mystery hid in God.
It all boils down to faith.
People build entire doctrines on verse that they interpret their way.
My doctrine is
JESUS LIVED! JESUS DIED! JESUS AROSE! JESUS TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD TO BRING US BACK TO THE FATHER!
The contradictions to me is because some people don't look past the word's on paper.
There are a lot of hidden nuggets that you have to pull out.
The Bible is not just a book it is a story of salvation and grace and God had his plans made from before the foundation of the world.
There is a lot of violence and bad things that happen but that just shows how much God hates sin and how holy God is.
This was the way that it was dealt with before the sacrifice of the Son which paid for all sins.
Without the acceptance of the cross and the resurrection those who don't accept will be dealt with the same way on judgment day.
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My doctrine is
JESUS LIVED!
JESUS DIED!
JESUS AROSE!
JESUS TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD TO BRING US BACK TO THE FATHER!
Posted by michaelbell
That's the gospel! Thanks for the good work. Thought I would jump on this and congradulate you before the condemnation started from your favorite three. I wonder if they will beat me to it before I hit the send button. Here goes.
I'm going to have to check the Lilith thing out.
She wasn't banished from the Garden. She left on her own free will. She didn't submit to the authority of Adam, and therefor he didn't like it. The reason that was taken out of the Bible was because it gave females text that showed that woman are as equal to men.
In the New Testament, Same thing with the disciple of Peter, she was a strong woman that had followers take up and follow her and he was jealous so he wouldn't baptize her. That, too, was taken out of the bible. Starting to see a pattern here? Anything that empowered women was removed by Constantine.
Again, you state the bible is a plan, I guess those plans were removed by the wicked, Are you saying that God is wicked?
Basically none of what you stated has answered any questions. Again, it is ramblings at the crossroads of insanity.
One down, two to go.
Welcome back EM, I've missed your thoughtful insite and intelligent debate.
parkerbrothers,
Insightful, is that how you coach?
Michael, I've been meaning to ask you something and it is in regards to Genesis. Who did Cain marry and where did she come from? Considering that at that point, Adam, Eve, Cain, and Able's corpse were the only people on Earth, where did he find a bride? Don't get me wrong, I'm no athiest or agnostic or anything like that. I've just always wondered this and I've asked ministers, priests, even a bishop, and not one of them could answer that question. The land of Nod is where Cain wandered (Nod supposedly means wanderer). Anyway, what's your take on that part. Also, if anyone else knows the answer to this, feel free to chime in.
Still one down, two to go.
Thom,
Hate to say it but I heard that is where the term MF got started.
Thom,
One explanation I was given (back in Highschool), was that at the time Cain married the world already had some population. Gen 4:17 states that "Cain lay with his wife and she became pregnant." this takes place after he killed Able. If I am reading correctly, it does not say when Cain married. I wonder if it is possible that he was already married prior to the killing of Able? Also, there must have been population elsewhere or why would Cain be worried about someone killing him. Anyhow, that's my thoughts on the subject.
Lilith:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith
http://www.gotquestions.org/Lillith.html
http://www.unicorngarden.com/bkshe4.htm
http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/7eveli...
why is it that Parkerbros is thinking that EM and others are bashing they are just making comments on previous postings. Is this a blog where people are allowed to ask questions or is this a worship of Michael Center? I was under the impression that people could make comments. Hmmmm I guess we need to watch what we say Huh, EM and others
Thom,
On a more serious note it may well have been a sister, niece or what we term mother today. The genetic pool was more pure then as sin had not polluted it to the extend it now has. Numerous references were made of sister/brother (Abraham and Sarah) and father/daughter (Abrahams nephew Lot and his daughters) relation up to the giving of the law to Moses.
Also it wasn't many that got on and off the boat with Noah.
Sorry Grannyapple but that was the first thing I noticed when I started reading these post. Let me go back and review them and see if I missed something. I have not got used to having to wear these glasses.
"It has been said that when the Hebrew text were written they had no punctuation or chapter or verses that is why I study with different people who have access to those manuscripts and learn from them."
Sounds like these Hebrew texts and your own writing have a lot in common.
Well you did... You jumped right over Michael's contradictions and falsities to attack those who question him.
Almost two down and one to go?
Darrick04,Darrick04 where art thou. I need to go to bed so finish the countdown.
Well if that is what a High Education can get you now Mr. Parker, whichever one you are. I guess it's good being a principal or teacher eh? 2+1=3 or did you want to see that happen?
Got a question for you, Do you have to wear SSA sanctioned clothing to school? Will you be able to function under those guidelines?
You guys are just too funny at times.
Enjoy the brief vacation Mr. Bell.
Am I missing something?
Well if that is what a High Education can get you now Mr. Parker, whichever one you are. I guess it's good being a principal or teacher eh? 2+1=3 or did you want to see that happen?
Got a question for you, Do you have to wear SSA sanctioned clothing to school? Will you be able to function under those guidelines?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 9:07 PM
The SSA sanctioned clothing will pose no problem to my ability to function. It is having to wear the rubber knee boots to wade the crap you're full of that poses the greatest challenge. (Before you ape out i am just joking.) Eat a nanner and go to bed.
Wrong Parker Mr. Monkey. See what you get when you assume you know everything.
Have I ever said I knew everything? I guess you feel threatened that I might? How can he prove he isn't?
Why would he have to prove who he is or is not?
scared.
I'm with grannyapple, Are we missing something?
LOL. Nope.
He's neither of the Parkers you think he is. One of the particular Parkers that you are referring to happens to be my husband. Why does it matter to you,EM, who parkerbrothers is? Check the phone book. There are quite a few Parkers listed.
He posted his name. If you live in Shelbyville and have to be told who Parker Brothers is, then you dont pay as much attention to your town as you would have us believe.
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Wow, I see that when the heat goes up, people start coming to defend each other. Well thats good news hehe. Sorry I missed his name, was it in another blog? He seemed to have contributed very little to the blog so therefore I wanted to call him out.
Stormblackclouds,
I was misinformed by someone else. My fault. I apologized. Seriously that was my mistake for going off the handle on the wrong person/people. If you would like that in person I have no problem doing so.
tdc,
Since you clearly have something against me please contact me anytime you like if you have questions about my knowledge of Shelbyville, Which I might say is very little. Yet you feel threatened by me for some reason? I guess you need to get to really know me before any rash judgment. Coffee sometime?
But when it comes to common sense, I can say I understand that quite well.
Still doesn't excused the trolling of parkerbrothers. Sure is intelligent too.
Thank you EM. No hard feelings. :)
Night, night monkey. See you tommorrow.
I dont have anything against you monkey, I agree with SOME of the things you say. But when Michael creates a new topic, the intelligent conversation goes out the door. You and about 3 others on here pounce on him like "stink on a monkey" [no offense] and it just gets old. He is allowed an opinion just like you, thats all I'm saying.
doubtful I have a busy weekend with 3 meetings to go to.
parkerbrothers your wife was my 5th grade teacher [though she was on leave due to her first child being on the way]... You will find that I am not any of the distorted views that you would nicely label me. Forgive me for questions irrationality and open-mindendly seeking answers.
Unfortunately, this debate has turned into high-class mudslinging and I am not sure what your insuations are by feeling you have proven anybody wrong. I simply seek answers, from people not a website perputuated as your own original thoughts. I have been an adament follower of God, and I also believe that Jesus came here, did a few things, and served a magntitude of purposes that we will never be able to fully comprehend.
You just need to understand that questioning everything you've ever known, is nothing knew. After all, didn't Jesus cause people to do the very same thing? NO, I am not calling myself Jesus, but I am however apt to think that he would very proud of people who want clarification, where the Bible does not provide it. Obviously that involves a tad bit of faith, but also perserverance in seeking the truth. Yeah, I believe the Bible was at one point in time, perfect, inerrant, and completely flawless, but just like with anything over time, the more people who grab ahold of it and put their spin on it, the truth is often left in the wind.
Again, forgive me for wanting to know more and asking honest, open-ended questions, if you can't answer them, then don't attempt to. You don't have to respond. God sends people to this earth for many reasons, often times though nobody understands their purpose. I, for one, can say that I think I know mine. I feel as though, my unwillingness to accept the status quo in not only politics but religion, is not a bad thing. After all, questioning God, is faith itself.
I will answer the question on Cain tommorow.
It is based alot on Jewish tradition.
It also comes from a ancient book called Jasher .
It is not in the Bible , but it is mentioned.
Darrick
I know you are firm in your beliefs and thats ok, but statements concerning the Bible is what causes the controversy. It's OK to ask all the questions you want, as I said before that prevenient grace at work, you will get your answers in time, most likely not on here. I understand that the Bible was written by man, but so were my history books in school, so what am to believe or not believe? I do know that the New Testament was written by contemporaries of Jesus and that the closet historian to Alexander the Great was written around 200 years later. Understand, I am not trying to do any "high-class mudslinging", I would like to have intelligent, fact-based answers.
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-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 9:45 PM
parkerbrothers,
My 8 year old does that while waiting impatiently....
Since you are a teacher, it seems that you would know how to atleast ACT like an adult, perhaps too many years playing with children has made you become one. THANK GOD my child doesn't have you and never will....that is what I will call a BLESSING!
I understand that the Bible was written by man, but so were my history books in school, so what am to believe or not believe? I do know that the New Testament was written by contemporaries of Jesus and that the closet historian to Alexander the Great was written around 200 years later. Understand, I am not trying to do any "high-class mudslinging", I would like to have intelligent, fact-based answers.
-- Posted by Sharon22 on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 10:40 PM
Difference is, history books don't preach their religious preferences. They just talk about history. If you discredit all other history books, then what makes the Bible perfect? You won't ever get it, until you read the entire thing, which obviously you haven't done. I guarantee you that Sharon22, parkerbrothers, Michael, etc etc etc have never read the Bible from cover to cover, and everyone of them claim to be some sort of expert...
Isn't the bible technically a "history" book? So yes, nascar, if you discredit one, then discredit them all!!
Parkerbrothers, since you are a teacher at Cascade School, and a coach in a sport or two, why are you posting on these blogs during school hours? Do they pay you to do these sorts of things?
Let me get this straight, children have to wear clothes that please a stupid dress code, and teachers/coaches like you get to post on the T-G blogs during school... I find that a little suspicious.
Or should I just say "bom..bomp.....bom..bomp.....bom..bomp..."? lol
The SSA sanctioned clothing will pose no problem to my ability to function. It is having to wear the rubber knee boots to wade the crap you're full of that poses the greatest challenge. (Before you ape out i am just joking.) Eat a nanner and go to bed.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 9:19 PM
eat a what??? ad YOU teach children...now that's scary...
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yay a new catch phrase :)
Hey folks.. How many times does the word "Christian" appear in the ORIGINAL Bible?
Shocker.... ZERO!
Perhaps because Jesus wasn't a CHRISTIAN???
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Jesus was a JEW, Christianity is a MAN MADE religion..Christians are not and never will be children of Israel..no matter how hard they try to be. Sorry but no cookies for you.
Nascarfanatic,
Where have you been?
Let's see, you would like my Bible resume. I have been through the New Testament and the Old Testament twice, each taking a school year each (one at the high school level and one at the college level), first class of the Disciple Bible study, numerous classes covering differing Biblical topics, too numerous years of sunday school classes. Now to cover the next question; this was provided by folks from a Lutheran, Methodist, and Church of Christ backgrounds, with some minor Baptist influence. I will let you guess where my affiliation is at present, but most likely will not share that here. I have had quite an ecelctic biblical upbringing. I have also been quite a thorn in the flesh for several of my teachers, questioning lots that was being taught. I enjoy studying biblical scholars from a variety of backgrounds so that I can formulate my own opinion, which often does not agree with most the folks I spend the most time with. I have never claimed to be an expert and I still have not received an answer to my original question. I did not say I did not believe my history books, I do. I said if I can not believe what Jesus's contemporaries wrote about him, why should I believe history books that write history from their own perspective and what they felt should be written down.
Right, so tell me what stands out most in each book? And since you didn't read the original Bible, then you have been sadly mislead each time you read it :(
What question did you ask me?
God's love and grace is what stands out the most.
Now - here is my question? What history books am I to believe? You stated that they were documenting history at the time of Alexander the Great, but not Jesus. My response is below from what I previously wrote. All I am asking, is the same thing you are, please provide your facts, make sure your have your historical time line correct.
"Short history lesson. Alexander the Great died 323 BC (that's before Christ) and the first historian that wrote about him (Arrian) did so about 200 years later, still 100 years BC. Did the all of a sudden stop documenting when Christ was around? Josephus was a Jewish historian who lived from 37 AD - 100 AD and documented the destruction of Jerusalem under the Romans in 70 AD. I know Aramaic is a dead language, but so is Latin, but much of our language has a Latin background.
As for the founding of this country. Yes, many people fled for religious persecution and for freedom from religion and freedom to practice their choice of religion. Check out the history of each colony. Each colony tended to have their own views on religious freedom depending on where they were coming from in England and Europe. Many of those that came from England were looking for adventure and opportunity. Many of those coming from mainland Europe were seeking to flee religious persecution, such as the Anabaptist (now commonly known as Mennonites or Amish). Each colony had there own rules when it came to religious tolerance. In truth, our country has a very interesting religious background, our founding fathers were smart enough to put in place something where the federal government can not state our individual religious beliefs. We can not have a "federal" religion. Many of the state however continued to have a main state religious belief for many years after our county was founded."
I was just reminded not to place a stumbling block for other believers, so if this is a stumbling block, I apologize and will bow out of this discussion.
Weird, I thought he wasn't a teacher and now I find out he is? Why did I apologize? ROFL Welp. I guess I wasn't wrong after all.
As I read these blogs, I wonder how many of you claim to be Christian? Please understand that I don't mean this in a derogatory manner to any of you.
I want to say that I appreciate what all of you are attempting to do, including Michael attempting to spread the gospel and others debating his points.
Please know that I say this as a Christian strong in their faith, but when I log off of Michael's blogs I feel like less of a Christian than I did prior to reading them. I know at least one of you does not profess to be Christian. This is not an accusation, but are some of you intentionally trying to lead Christians astray? If I were not strong in my faith you might certainly succeed (whether that is your purpose or not).
Michael, I implore you to consider the damage you could be doing to our faith. I appreciate and respect what you do, but just maybe this is not the correct forum.
Maybe it is I who should discontinue reading these blogs. As a Christian, I just felt the need to share my thoughts. As Bo has pointed out in a few of his blogs (maybe not in this exact context, but in our attacks on others) I would hope that we could all step back and examine our role here and what our intentions truly are, are we accomplishing what we really want to accomplish?
As Christians or even just as humans, is this the way we should treat one another? Does anyone believe in the Golden Rule?
Sharon22, I didn't refresh and see your post until after I posted mine. Just wondering who reminded you not to be a stumbling block? Did I miss it in the prior posts? It was just funny to me that was exactly what I was thinking as I was catching up this evening.
Rhebea96,
My email devotional showed up just after I posted one of my comments, it was from Romans 14:13-17. Some may not agree, but I think the Holy Spirit is at work much more than any of us realize.
I believe you are correct, I just pray we are not working against him. Have a good evening.
We really don't need to put millstones around our necks.
I wonder if we'd bore/offend/intimidate others as much if we proved our superiority by being more Christ-like in our actions.
It's easy to get carried away with these intellectual pursuits and they do have their merits.
But when one person is hurt enough to feel "less of a Christian" after exposure to these blogs (and who knows how many were just as damaged or worse but haven't the had the courage and kindness to say so like Rhebea96?),then we are defeating the better purposes of these discussions.
We are cymbals of the faith-not symbols of righteousness.
Let's work on giving a living example of God's action in a human life and the history and theology can take care of itself.
Sorry,Rhebea96.
I'm sure none here meant any harm.
I'm glad you were here to teach us before there was further damage.
darrick, EM, and Disturbia
Again I will clarify, parkerbrothers is not a Parker that currently is employed as a teacher, coach or administrator in the Bedford County School system. I personally don't know who parkerbrothers is and frankly, I don't care who this person is. I will also state that neither of these men had anything to do with SSA nor do they have the time or inclination to blog during school hours. This person could be anyone who chose the name parkerbrothers. Stop slinging insults at people that have never read one of these blogs.
darrick,
I do realize you weren't insulting my husband or brother-in-law. You just have the wrong Parker associated with parkerbrothers. I can assure you its not my husband. He's not a blog reader. Unless someone starts a thread about Bama or Cascade football, I doubt he'd ever read one! :) I hope school is going well! Have a good day!
Different methods bring different results. I debated whether to use the one that was used yesterday but thought it would achieve its desired intent of which it did.
I hope everybody saw how humans jump to conclusions assuming they know all and the speed at which condemnation travels.
Michael professes a living Christ and that alone will activate the start of the human assumptions and condemnation of him.
I have seen the common separator that has made this group either a critic of Michael or supporter of Michael. It is the issue of whether you view Christ as a risen and living Savior or a dead and buried great prophet.
Supporters of Michael view the Christ as risen and living. Critics of Michael view Christ as dead and no more than a good man or perhaps a great prophet.
To anyone who has been offended I do not offer my apologies. The talk of the cross will always be offensive to some.
I must now leave this post as I have both literally and figuratively got to go wade some mud this morning.
Oh and by the way, three down and none to go. Think about it.
Speaking of Lilith . . . the Lilith Fair was awesome during its day. Gotta love Sarah Mclachlan.
stormblackclouds,
I didn't sling insults at them at all, nor did I state they were involved in the SSA, I merely poked fun at the SSA because I thought he was a teacher. Thanks again for the clarification but I don't know which parkers you were referring to but after that last post, I do now.
parkerbrothers,
You sure are assuming way too much about me. Michael is NOT preaching of a living christ that I know. He is speaking of a god that condemns all people that don't agree as he does. He believes in fear and death and revels in falsehoods of end-time prophetic meananderings.
His so-called answers are nothing to do with anything I have asked. None of it, actually the more he says, the more it shows that I am correct. For instance he is now talking about books of the bible that were removed. When I brought that up earlier, he said they were removed because the people were inspired by god to removed them. But now they are relevant because it pushes his agenda. Example: on one blog, he states the end-time is 12-21-2012, and that we should be prepared... Here he is using the Mayan (pagan) Calender, and when I brought that it was pagan, he stated, Well if that fear doesn't bring someone to christ then I have done my job? Give me a friggin break!
Likewise, You make it sound like because I don't believe as Michael does, I am against God. You assume wrong yet again. I have not seen one person on here state Christ is dead. Plus you don't even know which Christ you are talking about? There were 2 mentioned in the Bible named Jesus.
You then go on to say, If anyone doesn't believe as Michael says is a Non-believer. Well that has got to be the most untrue statement I have ever witness on these boards. But if you believe what michael says is true, then you are a believer in Jesus. That is a slap in the face to anyone on these blogs that belong to Jesus.
You sir, are a sheeple. You cannot think for yourself, you must follow the pack then please do so, but don't lump me into the drivel that you assume to be true.
3 down, one to go, Think about it? ROFL assuming too much again?
Maybe this parkerbrothers is a game aficianado?
(We could ask.)
It might help if we found out a little about who one another was and wasn't before making unwarranted assumptions and judgements.
All right,all snarky,demonic inciters of turmoil,raise your hands.
All fear-mongering whited sepulchres raise your hands.
Any sheeple out there?
O.K.
The rest of you: as you were.
There! That ought to help clarify things.
Hope you dont mind Parker, but here-
http://www.livingatunionstation.com/
So what do they do, sell homes, or sell high end developement plots? The website is a little confusing because of the layout and lack of... well it might not be finished yet. It looks nice, just don't know the purpose of it. Know what I mean?
Clarify?
I have to do everything for you dont I monkey,:)
http://www.parkerbrothers.org/
Sorry I was working on a new website for a local e-commerce store. Ah so they are builders. Nice, do you know if they are feeling a crunch due to the market?
As I understand it,Union Station will be a planned community.
There will be homes and businesses in the area with shuttle service to other locations.
Residents will be able to get around on foot,bicycle or golf cart without a need for cars.
It would be pet-friendly,have a "neighborhood" feeling and seek out homeowners who want the cozy safety of places like Bell Buckle,Wartrace,etc. in a made-to-order environment.
They're hoping to attract elders with shuttle service (to the doctors,horse show,etc.),families with children with the "Mayberry" congeniality and lack of traffic and everyone else with the greenscape,recreational facilities and other amenities.
I think several realtors and developers in town are trying to offer people here the conveniences they like in college and resort towns within Bedford County.
It'd be nice if it could work out that way.
They should name it Utopia. Hope it works because it sounds like something I would be interested in.
And what a great way to get free publicity, by coming on a blog and acting childish. And then we get to wondering who he is and BAM..more free publicity by people posting links.
Evil Monkey,
In order not to get rambling off in nomans land I am copying and pasting your above post and breaking it down into the paragraphs you supplied and will attempt to address each one directly below each as I come to them.
EM: You sure are assuming way too much about me. Michael is NOT preaching of a living christ that I know. He is speaking of a god that condemns all people that don't agree as he does. He believes in fear and death and revels in falsehoods of end-time prophetic meananderings.
Comment: Yes I am guilty of the use of assumptions. I believe I inherited that human trait. I see Michael preaching a living Christ and I see Michael's correct positioning of his Christ. Tell me something about this living Christ you know. Do you think he is capable of guiding the hand of man and protect his gospel? Is this living Christ you know the same teacher that personally taught Paul after his resurrection and guided him in the writing of over half the New Testament letters? Tell me,where did you learn of this Christ you know? ...I see Michael speaking of a God that condemns sin and will not be in its presence. This wrathful God's character is dispayed throughout the Old Testament. This wrathful character of the God I know is appeased only through the sacrafice of the living Christ I know. The Christ I know displayed his character and purpose to me through his guiding of man's hand through time. Again, where did you learn of this Christ you know?....You claim Michael believes in fear and death. So do I. If your opinion of God and Christ comes through the study of his guided word you would believe in fear and death also. If you plan on appeasing this God I know on your own merits and refused the sacrafice of this Christ I know you have answered my question on where you learned of this god and Christ you know. Again, tell me about this living Christ you know and the source of your vast learning.
EM: His so-called answers are nothing to do with anything I have asked. None of it, actually the more he says, the more it shows that I am correct. For instance he is now talking about books of the bible that were removed. When I brought that up earlier, he said they were removed because the people were inspired by god to removed them. But now they are relevant because it pushes his agenda. Example: on one blog, he states the end-time is 12-21-2012, and that we should be prepared... Here he is using the Mayan (pagan) Calender, and when I brought that it was pagan, he stated, Well if that fear doesn't bring someone to christ then I have done my job? Give me a friggin break!
Comment: I am probably wrong again but I thought he was attempting to answer some questions of contradictions Darrick04 had. Anyway it seems as if you want to turn the focus of Michael's blog into your attempt to show your perceived superior intelligence and knowledge over his. If you believe that the more he says, the more it shows that I am correct as you stated, then thank the man for revealing your intellect…. You stated that he claimed the end time is 12-21-2012. I went back and read the blog and how you conjured up this is hard to understand. He stated the Mayan calendar said this. He then was very clear as to where he placed his belief and it was not the Mayan calendar or Nostradomous. He had to repeatedly clarify everyone's assumptions of what he was trying to say……Your last sentence of this paragraph is wrong also. He did not say "Well if that fear doesn't bring someone to christ then I have done my job?" He said "If my scaring somebody gets them to Jesus then it is worth it." I have to agree with his comment. If revealing the wrath and anger character of my God's intolerance to sin without the veil of Christ protecting them scares them to the need of the veil then so be it.
The happiness and joy they receive with the covering far outweighs the once fear. To deny the wrathful and angry side of God toward sin is what scares me.
EM:Likewise, You make it sound like because I don't believe as Michael does, I am against God. You assume wrong yet again. I have not seen one person on here state Christ is dead. Plus you don't even know which Christ you are talking about? There were 2 mentioned in the Bible named Jesus.
Comment: I do not want anyone to think that you are against God? I just want you to draw upon this vast knowledge you have and tell me about this God and Christ you know and reveal for me the sources drawn upon. I am open minded and crave for additional sources to draw upon myself to learn more about his character and passion. Since the Bible is inconsistent, wrecked and rendered useless I want to prod your sources and see how willing they were to hold to their accounts…..you are right, no one has literally said that Christ is dead. However when you asked someone if they believe in a risen Christ and they do not answer you, most humans will do that awful thing and assume of which I plead guilty.….Lastly, I do know there were more than one Jesus named in the Bible and I know which is the risen. Do you?
EM: You then go on to say, If anyone doesn't believe as Michael says is a Non-believer. Well that has got to be the most untrue statement I have ever witness on these boards. But if you believe what michael says is true, then you are a believer in Jesus. That is a slap in the face to anyone on these blogs that belong to Jesus.
Comment: Monkey, Monkey, Monkey. Has ole Tarzan took thou glasses. That is not what I said. To save you from having to scroll through this overly long post and others to get to what I did say I will re-post it for you. "Supporters of Michael view the Christ as risen and living. Critics of Michael view Christ as dead and no more than a good man or perhaps a great prophet." I never said anyone was a non-believer. I truly think you believe in God and a Jesus. I know if the demons believe and shutter even the monkeys will too.
EM:You sir, are a sheeple. You cannot think for yourself, you must follow the pack then please do so, but don't lump me into the drivel that you assume to be true.
Comment: Please send me the latest edition of Monkey's Meanings of the Modern English Language. Forgive me for not being able to recall which post you displayed your superior intellect and coined one of your words in. It would allow me to be able to come up to your speed and level and perhaps communicate in a more timely manner. Perhaps after reading it I could convert to being a monkle.
P.S. Loosen your grip on the vine.
Evil Monkey....I do not agree with your comments on most of the blogs I read but I want to offer you some friendly advise when dealing with Parker Brothers. I have dealt with him on a business issue and believe me when I say this man is OCD times 10. He will not sleep at night for trying to out-do you. I'm sure you have more interesting things to do than argue with this impossible man.
ontheoutside,
Please feel free to comment on any business dealings you think you have had with me. I can only grow from learning of mistakes I have made. If you feel more comfortable finishing what you started on a public forum in private feel free to email me. I prefer you finish it here where you started it. I am responsible for my actions.
AMEN parkerbrothers....
If you are indeed an impossible man, at least you are on the right side of this debate. EM and similar others are only secular humanists who deny the power of Christ and only serve to separate his own from him. They all speak of belief in God and his Son, but none have acknowledged a relationship with him and called themselves "Christian". As you say, even Satan himself believes in God. This is not enough. Only acceptance of his grace through Jesus Christ are we saved.
cfder, Glad to know we have met the same Christ.
AMEN!
michaelbell, You know which Jesus I am talking about. No doubt about you!
Kenneth Parker,
Wow, you are clearly upset about my opinion? Check out the Edict of Milan. I am not here to make enemies nor am I trying to hurt feelings but if people are truly getting worked up over me asking some questions and posting then all I can simply say is, wow.
If you need to resort to name calling and Over-Monkeying stuff, then please relax and calm down... though I do have a problem with inducing fear using deceit (eg. a "means to an end" type thinking reminds me of the travesty we call the Bush Administration).
Think you need to rethink ethics.
cfder,
You are so wrong, I love God and I love Jesus, But I never said anything against the power of Christ, I have though, against the Power of Men.
But do you proclaim to be a Christian? Do you believe that Christ is the only route to heaven?
I don't think everyone is going to heaven, only 144,000. Was Jesus a Christian? What about Paul? Why do I need a label on my belief? Didn't know belief was considered a brand name now. Guess that makes me not popular, Damn I guess the cool kids are going to pick on me now:(
Evil Monkey, What's the difference between a sheeple and a monkle?
Also, tell me about this Jesus you know. Where did you gather your information in order to know him well enough to love him? It is and has been a very simple question I ask of you and others. Again,tell me about this Jesus you love and how you come to know him well enough to claim a love of him?
I hate to tell you but you still have the wrong Parker.
Yep, I thought so. If you deny Christ, he said he would deny you in the next life.
If only 144,000 then why worry , what about the great multitude talked about in Revelation.
Jesus said whosever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
The 144,000 are the select Jews who will be used to save the Jewish nation by showing them that Jesus is their Messiah foretold from years ago.
With the name evil monkey you remind me of one of the villians on the old cartoon Space Ghost.
Maybe you are still evolving maybe you will turn into so so monkey or pretty monkey or maybe even sweet monkey .
Don't get upset just having some fun.
Parker,
I cant believe how right you've got this!
If only you were as skilled at driving:) But we can save that for another board.
How am I denying Christ? I was baptized, I went to church, but just because I do not believe exactly like how you do? I am denied entry? When jesus was on the cross and what did he say to the criminal next to him? Did he say, "I will see you in heaven?"
Sheeple is a term of endearment:). Monkle as no discernable terminology.
What is there to tell you? I believe in Jesus, just like everyone else. I just don't believe all the hype regarding the bible as the word of god. And I already told you 2 times why I do not believe the Bible is correct many times over and I have posted the sources several times.
Come on, I am waiting. Have you researched the Edicts of Milan? What about the Tolerance? Inquisition?
AFK I have to go out, I will wait for your thesis. I need to run out for an hour.
How am I denying Christ? I was baptized, I went to church, but just because I do not believe exactly like how you do? I am denied entry? When jesus was on the cross and what did he say to the criminal next to him? Did he say, "I will see you in heaven?" Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 8:14 PM
How would you know what was said since you don't believe the Bible in which it was written?
You deny Christ when you don't accept his salvation personally. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."
cfder,
Where did I say that I don't accept salvation?
Did you say that you do accept Jesus as salvation? If so, I've never seen it in the many comments you've made.
Didn't know I had to do it in every post, never saw you say or, never saw Michael say, never saw parkersbrothers say it. Didn't know I had to say it to everyone I meet. Is it some law that God stated I needed to say that?
I'm saying it right now: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. I don't deny it. If you have accepted him, then you won't deny him.
I don't deny it, I have accepted jesus as my savior. I did so years ago, probably before most of you were born.
How am I denying Christ? I was baptized, I went to church, but just because I do not believe exactly like how you do? I am denied entry? When jesus was on the cross and what did he say to the criminal next to him? Did he say, "I will see you in heaven?" Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 8:14 PM
Evil Monkey, I was baptized twice in a church and still discovered I was lost.
Tell me about this Jesus you know and where did you learn enough about him to claim a love for him?
Admittedly I have only briefly indulged myself with the Edict of Milan and the Inquisitions. Are these sources where you found and relied upon to understand this Christ you tell me about. I missed it.
I don't deny it, I have accepted jesus as my savior. I did so years ago, probably before most of you were born.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 9:38 PM
EvilMonkey, That is the best thing I have heard from you and you could not have said anything any better.
I am not going to lie though. I do truly wonder where you learned of this Jesus you claim to love and now accept as Saviour. From the bottom of my heart I am curious as how you came to this point. I hope your path was easier than mine. You honestly do confuse me though with your regaurd to the Bible. Where else did you learn of our Savior?
Umm, I heard about him on these blogs...
nascarfanatic,
Then be thankful for Michael.
No idea why you are confused with my regard to the Bible, I pretty much told you why I don't believe it as the word of god.
Hmm, Michael gave me a very horrible impression of Jesus... Thank GOD, I don't use him to escape any persecution. I am able to stand up for myself, and not use Jesus as a scapegoat every time I do something wrong.
Thankful for Michael....for what??? Turning people off to an evil God?? I am thankful to Michael for nothing, for he has shown me that the devil can work through so called "men of God" by spreading all the hate and doomsday predicitons and bigotry while hiding behind God. Using God to further his agenda of hate and bigotry is no man of God, that is Satan fooling you all
The Biblw says that the word was with God and the word became flesh so when I see my Bible, I see Jesus.
I went to church and got baptized and all that to.
Not until I recieved the Holy Spirit did I truly know Christ.
Acceptance of the Cross guarentees salvation and a place in Heaven.
The question is ?
As in God's temple are you wiling to stay in the Outer Court and just watch all the going-ons? or do you want to get as close to God as you can ?
The Bible gets me that close.
Geez Michael, it seems as much as you read the bible and have time to post on these blogs there isn't much time to go out there and be a Christian...
All talk and no action, is pretty pathetic, in your case it's just reality. People at your church tell me how you pretty much get on their nerves, they read your blogs and really don't like your name being associated with them. If your pastor agrees with your message so much, then WHY ISN'T JAY POPE on here HELPING YOU OUT? Ah, is it because he is a true man of god, and he has better things to do than scare people into falsehoods?
You sir, are NOT close to the God that I know, He is a loving God, that accepts all his children, you seem to think that any of us that have flaws that YOU deem unworthy are going to hell. Do you think he has forgotten you were an alcoholic whore or does going to church and saying some prayers just make you better than everybody else? If he is the God you preach about, I am sure he hasn't forgotten your past transgressions and I am positive he isn't too pleased at the number of people YOU ALONE have turned off to religion
Jay Pope is probably hoping Michael will take his "Westboro Baptist Church" thinking elsewhere. I notice how noone from his church is on here backing him up, they know he is giving them a bad name and how sad, that church might have been the one to save someone and they won't go because Mr. "Judgemental we are all frying in hell" is there.
Evil Monkey,
Sorry for being confused. Where did you learn of this Christ you love and accept as Savior? If not from God's word then where? I want to learn.
Parkerbrothers
I have been reading your comments on here and to be honest, you are one of the most immature people I have ever had the displeasure of reading comments from. You just pick and pick and pick. Hate to think you are a supposed "business man" with your level of maturity that you show. Hope this gets you plenty of NEGATIVE publicity, since that is what you are so clearly after.
Parkerbrothers, why don't you tell me how many times Christian was mentioned in the original Bible? Isn't it odd how Jesus never spoke any form language currently alive today, never was a Christian, in fact he was a Jew, and he never visited America. Sounds a lot like the God's that Islam worship... ?
Christian was mentioned exactly ZERO times...Jesus was a jew, they were and are his chosen ones, he could care less about America, if he did, I think he would have mentioned us somewhere. NO CHRISTIAN is a child of Israel. The only people mentioned going to heaven are the jews..someone has it all wrong. The only parts mentioned are the middle east and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Islams and the Muslims don't have it atleast a little more right than we do.
but hey, keep breaking the most important commandment and worship your false idol known as the bible. We will see how far that gets you.
stolen25,
I am beginning to think my computer screen is displaying something other than yours and the other critics of Michael Bell.
I see his post telling of a loving God. A God that revealed his intolerance to sin (me) in his presence and providing a loving appeasement for it. There is no denying the wrathful nature of God to sin. It takes looking at the true magnitude of his wrath to sin to understand the great depth of his love for the sinner.
I also have seen Michael acknowledge his sinful nature which will be with him the rest of his life just like mine will be with me and yours with you. I think we can determine from his testimony of his past along with your collaboration of it that he is a changed and changing man and gives credit to his loving Savior.
Apparently YOU have never read any of his other blogs, perhaps you need to do some reading....I have been on and off here since August and this man preaches NOTHING but hate, but hey, if that's your cup of tea, then drink it up.
parkerbrothers,
Honestly, I doubt you will ever know, or care why or how I know Jesus, the Son of God. And I do not need to tell you what is in my heart or about my personal relationship with God and his Son. The people who know me can see by my actions and words. And please tell me who Christ is, because he seems to be mentioned more than Jesus is.
The problem you have with me, seems to be personal, No idea why because I have never had any business dealings with you. Not sure if that is a good thing or not because I have never met you personally either. But I assure you, I have answered all of the questions you have asked. But you still can't seem to see it but Honestly I could care less what you think.
I just find it amusing that you want to discredit me for my belief when I had presented a few good sources that back up how I feel about the bible. Let me reiterate, the bible has good stories, alot of historical references, yet 600 books are missing from it. Wouldn't it them be truly the Word of God if it was entirely there? I find that a travesty.
Now, you try to push the issue how I feel about Jesus, God, and whether or not I profess I am a Christian then so be it. Yet the issues brought up in these blogs written by Michael is NOT whether Michael is a Christian or not, it is whether what he is stating is the truth or not. Now if I am wrong, then so be it. I can admit and apologize for it. But so far, I hadn't a reason to.
But to try and publicly delve into my personal life and my religious affiliation is downright sickening and low. And it shows no class and I find it unethical, and immature. If you decide to want to discuss this over dinner, I would be glad to do so, but to try and publicly push the limits of taste... Know what? I won't even go there.
Stolen, it tends to happen. Someone who hasn't bothered to archive former blogs before than make an assessment, might I add a completely disastrous assessment, about Michael. Seriously parkerbrothers, just go read the old blogs and ponder Michael's very own contradictions. Quite pathetic.
I have a question, Parkerbrothers, if you're so devoted to God and Jesus and yadayada, then why are you so scared to tell anybody your name. It sounds like you have the anonymity blues. Are you that scared?
That drives me crazy nascar, someone that has been on here for what? 2 maybe 3 blogs and all the sudden knows all about Michael and has taken to "cyber bullying" Evil Monkey. And make no mistake about it, I have always loved reading what Evil has to say.
If he does this little research on a blog and knows all the answers I would hate to know how little research he does in his "business ventures" Quite scary to think about that.
I think we can determine from his testimony of his past along with your collaboration of it that he is a changed and changing man and gives credit to his loving Savior.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:13 PM
I know folks who have changed, without ever uttering a prayer? Is that possible? Happens everyday.
Awe, the new generation carpenter... Except Jesus didn't make a proft off of encouraging people to go into debt!
"Welcome to the Parker Brothers web site. We are an established, experienced home builder with hundreds of new homes built to date. Whether you need a condo, duplex, two story home, rancher or your own dream retirement home, Parker Brother homes can help.
At Parker Brothers, you benefit from 3 generations of accumulated experience, knowledge and proven track record in the construction industry. We are a full time and full service home building company."
He isn't bullying me. I really like it when someone wants to question me, I just don't like the way he is doing it. Christiangirl asked question etc and I don't mind answering them, but when I answer them and they keep at me without researching it. I find that a bit unnerving.
They don't have to agree with me either. That's what being a seperate being is about. There are alot of things I don't agree with when it comes to nascarfanatic, or darrick, or really anyone. But they don't chastise me, they show me why they believe, and I can either accept or not. I sure won't condemn them for it.
Ever notice the ones doing the most condemning are the ones that scream the loudest that they are Christians? You know, the bible thumpers? I always thought that Christians weren't supposed to condemn, I learn more and more each day on this blog and get turned off more and more to their "beliefs"
Monkey, dont complain about being chastised, you do it to anyone who doesnt think like you.
Christian Jeans, they aren't just holy....They're Holy.
tdc,
show me one place.
That's very true. Honestly sometimes Nascar gets on my nerves, but along with his/her {forgive me for not knowing} arguments are some very noteworthy sources.
It's really ok to question the status quo, everyone talks about the Jews all the time, don't you remember when some idiot 6 million of them to their deaths, b/c few of them had the courage to question complacement. I delightfully engage in debate, it only strengthens my wisdom.
But Parkerbrothers and his litte "one down blah blah blah to go stuff" is a bit ridiculous. So childish that it has completely unseated all previous positive thoughts I once held of him.
Correction: Anyone who believes in The Bible
Monkey, dont complain about being chastised, you do it to anyone who doesnt think like you.
-- Posted by tdc on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:33 PM
Correction: Anyone who believes in The Bible
-- Posted by tdc on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:35 PM
CORRECTION: anyone who doesn't THINK, when reading the Bible....
Can you show me a quote?
Monkey, please dont act like you havent chastised Michael for, "not researching...etc..."
We wouldnt have to go far back on these blogs to find proof of that.
damn Nascar that was fast.
Btw, that's Evil monkey, Not Monkey.. I don't call you c.
OH you call that chastising when I asked someone to take more than 1 day to come up with his Apocalypse predication on how homosexuals are the downfall of civilization as we know it?
Evil Monkey,
Sorry if you missed my earlier post. I commend you on your love of Jesus the Christ and your acceptance of him as your Savior.
I want your help. Tell me where you found enough information on this Christ to determine you love him and can accept him as Savior. I stopped picking at you some time ago but you still will not answer my simple and childish question and help me.
SHUT UP...
I never said I loved Christ, you did.
I said I loved Jesus. I answered your question. You just don't get it through your thick skull.
Hey Evil Monkey, it's hard for him to take a day to think about that, he has to look for something to copy and paste, in order to defend that ludicrous accusation. Since I don't think the man has ever had an original thought, perhaps he got it from that state rep in Oklahoma that was caught on tape saying nearly the same thing he did.
SHUT UP...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:42 PM
This is quite eloquant from someone who claims to be a history scholar!!!
hahahahahah
If y'all aren't careful,God just might give y'all a common goal or opponent where you'd have to acknowledge and rely on one another as family and team-mates.
I can just hear His admonishments.
"I don't care who started it. I'm finishing it.
I brought you into this world,I can take you out.
You're so busy trying to take each other apart. You want a piece of Me?
Well,you've got one.
All of you have a part of me within you that no one else has or ever will have.
You can either learn to respect that bit of Me in one another or you'll never be able to work together.
I've put you here in the same place at the same time so you can pool your gifts and support one another.
If you're going to undermine my work and my people,be honest enough to admit who you serve.
If you love me and want to follow me,look for what I value in the person next to you.
None of you have to be omniscient and infallible or even all-loving.
That's my job.
You're supposed to follow my lead and use what virtue you've got.
That's My grace,the talents I put in you and the gift of all these other people.
Now,behave and work in harness or I'll let you squall in your cribs like the babes you seem to be and I'll pick some servants among the grown-ups.
Give these people a chance and you might learn to believe in them as well as Me."
SHUT UP...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:42 PM
This is quite eloquant from someone who claims to be a history scholar!!!
hahahahahah
-- Posted by tdc on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:43 PM
It's what you tell students when they want answers, but don't quit talking long enough to read them!
Evil Monkey,
Sorry if you missed my earlier post. I commend you on your love of Jesus the Christ and your acceptance of him as your Savior.
I want your help. Tell me where you found enough information on this Christ to determine you love him and can accept him as Savior. I stopped picking at you some time ago but you still will not answer my simple and childish question and help me.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:40 PM
*sniff sniff* I do believe I smell a whiff of sarcasm
quantumcat,
It's not time to be all Bill Cosbyish right now. Maybe some other time:)
quantumcat,
It's not time to be all Bill Cosbyish right now. Maybe some other time:)
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:48 PM
Yeah, this is a battle of witts, and most of these people came unarmed!
You looking in the mirror again?
you know what they say about the first chicken to cackle
tdc,
You really shouldn't be talking about yourself like that. Because I know that Evil Monkey always comes armed, you just don't want to LISTEN to him. Afraid you might actually learn something?
I have a question, Parkerbrothers, if you're so devoted to God and Jesus and yadayada, then why are you so scared to tell anybody your name. It sounds like you have the anonymity blues. Are you that scared?
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:21 PM
nascarfanatic,
Everyone was too busy assuming, guessing and condemning to ask me. You were the first. What made you think I was afraid to tell you my name.
My name is Marvin Parker, male, white, 5'10", 180lbs., will be 49 years old on December 6, 2008 years after the death of Christ.
What is your name nascarfanatic?
guys,
anyone know a photoshop cs3 pro? My program won't let me convert over to pdf files for some reason.
Haha, bet you didn't know that "A.D." has NOTHING to do with "After the Death of Christ".... My name is, bom bomp bom bomp bom bomp
Or was it "amost two down, one to go?" since we're speaking of 'assuming, guessing, and condemning'
nascar you are conviently avoiding the question you chastised Parker for not answering.
*sniff sniff* I do believe I smell a whiff of sarcasm
-- Posted by stolen25 on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:46 PM
stolen25,
Check your upper lip. If not that then brush your teeth. You were not smelling sarcasm. JAJ
Well hello Mr. Immaturity. I thought at 49 you would atleast act a little older. Check my upper lip, check yours, I smell some bull****!!!
nascar you are conviently avoiding the question you chastised Parker for not answering.
-- Posted by tdc on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:56 PM
Really? Define chastised?
does this refresh your stale memory?
I have a question, Parkerbrothers, if you're so devoted to God and Jesus and yadayada, then why are you so scared to tell anybody your name. It sounds like you have the anonymity blues. Are you that scared?
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:21 PM
Well see my real name, can be divided into three parts. Example "father, son, and the holy ghost"... But I choose to remain anonymous for fear of reprival. *LOL*
you know what they say about the first chicken to cackle
-- Posted by tdc on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:51 PM
Yep and you cackled first...
chastised: punished for misbehavior
Y'all have fun.
I'm going to hunt up some Jell-O.
Hey,hey,hey...
chastised:to criticize severely.
websters is easy to find!
and don't forget your funky sweaters ;)J/K
chastised:to criticize severely.
websters is easy to find!
-- Posted by tdc on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 12:04 AM
OMG, you just put your faith in a MAN-MADE BOOK, what's new?
Quantuamcat,
LOL...
Cool fixed the pdf issue, seems to not like gif conversions.
chastised:. to discipline, especially. by corporal punishment.
I don't think Nascar used corporal punishment...pick a new word.
I'm not counting on Websters to get me into Heaven
chas·tise /tʃæsˈtaɪz, ˈtʃæstaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[chas-tahyz, chas-tahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
--verb (used with object), -tised, -tis·ing. 1. to discipline, esp. by corporal punishment.
2. to criticize severely.
3. Archaic. to restrain; chasten.
4. Archaic. to refine; purify.
parkerbrothers,
You are like half dead and stuff, 49, geesh thats like one foot in the grave.
SO... you're counting on a Bible to do that? You can stay locked up in a jail cell forever, and read your Bible daily, but if you aren't out their being an advocate for humanity and doing good works, then it's pretty useless.
After all, if Jesus only talked the talk, it would have been much easier huh.
So you are counting on the bible to get you into heaven? hmmmm...good luck with that, me? I will rely on being a good person and loving God.
HALLELUJAH!!!!
AMEN
GLORY TO GOD
Reading all this I have to wonder when the next healing is? My Mom isn't feeling well.
DISCLAIMER: That was not directed to any one certain person just the thread in general
I already know I am not going to Heaven and I accept that. I will be with the criminal on the cross next to Jesus.
Think of The Bible as a study guide, and for those needing the definition of that...
Study guides can be broad based to facilitate learning in a number of areas, or be resources that foster comprehension of literature, research topics, history, and other subjects. General topics include study and testing strategies; reading, writing, classroom, and project management skills; as well as techniques for learning as an adult, with disabilities, and online. Some will summarize chapters of novels or the important elements of the subject. Study guides for math and science often present problems (as in problem-based learning) and will offer techniques of resolution.
Hi Dianatn. Is your mom going to be ok? how serious is it?
Tdc, you really have a lot to offer. Now go make God proud, and do more than talk/type.
tdc,
And that study guide is missing 85% of itself, what then?
hey EM
She's not well at all.. had a stroke and having a really hard time right now
Diana..glad to see you posting :) I will have your mother in my prayers.
tdc,
YAWN!!
a stroke? thats more than not feeling well:( What hospital is she at?
Haha, bet you didn't know that "A.D." has NOTHING to do with "After the Death of Christ".... My name is, bom bomp bom bomp bom bomp
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 11:53 PM
nascarfanatic,
A case perhaps of true anonymity blues as you termed it suffered by you. You guys seem to have the hardest time answering the simplest question.
And yes I do know that A.D. does not refer to the actual dated death of Christ which was in 30 A.D. Sorry for that given confusion on my part.I also know it is estimated his birth was 3 B.C. That as you already know is an interesting subject itself.
Do you suffer from this anonymity blues you seem to have been mis-diagnosing recently.
Not in the hospital now (Thank you medicare, in case you don't realize it medicare will only allow you to be in the hospital 7 days then you have to go home and come back again)
Parkerbrothers, why don't you offer Diana some prayers or something? Geez. It would probably humble you a bit.
Diana, SOOOO sorry to hear about this turn of events :( but luckily you have a great support system here. Could we send cards or anything? How bout a visit? I don't mind.
Dianatn,
I never had to deal with medicare, so I really don't know all the ends and outs of that. Ok well if you need anything you have my number and you can call me anytime. If I am out on a call, just leave a message with the boss hehe.
I already know I am not going to Heaven and I accept that. I will be with the criminal on the cross next to Jesus.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 12:12 AM
Evil Monkey,
There were two criminals on the cross with a great seperator in between them.
One of them realized he was a sinner and that the middle man was the Messiah. The other one never saw the light. You state you will be with the criminal on the cross but which side of the cross will you hang on?
the one that Jesus spoke to.
Thanks Guys I appreicate it a lot
I do have to say she is better than she was..but the doctors seem to think it may not be the end of the strokes. Mom is hard headed and set in her ways (aren't we all though) she wants to be at home and I would never allow her to go to a nursing home anyway. I am just afraid she'll have another stroke and I won't know the signs considering she is still having the effects from this one.
May she surprise the doctors in astonishment, and validate modern-day miracles :)
Did they say what was causing them?
Blood clots
They can't give her the clot buster because of all her other problems:
congestive heart failure, pace maker, kidney disease, low blood, high blood pressure..
geesh. She should take cayenne in her tea. That will clean out the blood ways good for memory too.
cayenne? as in pepper?
I believe in natural remedies too! Sleep is one, goodnight, lol..
nite darrick
yeah as in pepper, takes like crap, but it does the body good. Just a teaspoon, not the whole bottle;)
Before you do that though, does she have any allergies? Make sure beforehand.
Hmmm not sure she could have that she isn't even suppose to have black pepper.
Something another about her colon (they have her on a low spice diet)
Oh then Don't do cayenne if she has IBS.
I am going to bed it's been a long day.
Nite nite
Take care all.
(sorry if I hi-jacked your blog Michael)
Same here, I have couple meetings in M'boro tommorrow.
Parkerbrothers, why don't you offer Diana some prayers or something? Geez. It would probably humble you a bit.
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 12:20 AM
Diana, I can not offer you a prayer as NF has suggested but I can put you and your mother into my prayers to God.
I do feel for both of you as both of my parents have had blood clots and/or strokes. I noticed you said your mother is hard headed. I hope she is not as hard headed as my father was. He refused to use a catheter?? or what ever it is called and insisted on going to the bathroom on his own when he had a blood clot while at Harton. The blood clot bursted and went to both lungs and his heart and he had to be life flighted to Vanderbilt where he laid unconscience for 5 weeks and was given less than a 1% chance of survival. He is healthy today at 70.
May your mother be blessed and return to her normal health.
parkerbrothers,
You are like half dead and stuff, 49, geesh thats like one foot in the grave.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 12:08 AM
Monkey,
I am going to bed also and will talk to you tommorrow.
But before I go I want to finish the above comment of yours by asking you not to be an evil monkey and throw a nanner peel in front of my other foot.
I promise to quit messing with you when you decide to answer my dreaded question.
Night, night EM.
I did answer you.
I did answer you.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 1:25 AM
Evil Monkey,
Accept my apologies then. Please simply copy and paste your answer so I can see how long I was ignorant to your answer. I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in my fathers shed.
May God Bless your mother and restore her to pefect health.
Dianatn,you and your mom have my prayers,too.
Ask the medical folks about what anti-oxidants,etc. she could have.
They'd probably want to avoid a lot of sugar,spice,stimulants and excess fluid but the right amounts of potassium,Vitamin C,etc. could be beneficial.
People who have faced these health issues have made remarkable recoveries.
Much of that has been due to their own will and the love of their families.
I wish that were enough to cure every patient but it can help see people through the healing process when God says "Hang on. It's not time to go,yet. I need you here a while longer."
Here's hoping she can channel her fiestyness toward mending instead of feeling depressed and frustrated.
Hope (and maybe green tea and bilberries) can augment good medical care to work wonders.
Our agreeing together to ask for her to be blessed can't hurt.
(I'm going to ask for support for your whole family,too.
A patient's loved ones have their own stresses to deal with.)
Holler if we can help in any way.
BTW,49 is not old.
49 is barely past puberty.
Old is when you no longer need a night before to have a morning after.
The good news is (once we get all that's falling apart fixed) we can use our accumulated wisdom to get giddy in a perfectly legal,morally appropriate fashion.
(How's that for subversive?)
Don't write off middle age.
That's the beginning of one of the best times of your life:
"Old enough to know better,young enough to do it anyway."
LOL.. you're awesome!
-- Posted by Evil Monkey
anyone know a photoshop cs3 pro? My program won't let me convert over to pdf files for some reason.
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EM, are you trying to convert to pdf with File>Save As>Photoshop PDF?
Is it a PSD document that you are trying to convert, or a different format?
nascarfanatic,
You asked,
Hey folks.. How many times does the word "Christian" appear in the ORIGINAL Bible?
Shocker.... ZERO!
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Although the term Bible and original mean different things to different people, since no one else took the time to look it up for you,I've pasted below where the word Christian appears 3 times in the Bible.
Acts 11:26 (KJV)
"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
Since you asked for the original, here's Acts 11:26 in Greek: (WHNU)
και ευρων ηγαγεν εις αντιοχειαν εγενετο δε αυτοις και ενιαυτον ολον συναχθηναι εν τη εκκλησια και διδαξαι οχλον ικανον χρηματισαι τε πρωτως εν αντιοχεια τους μαθητας χριστιανους
Acts 26:28 (KJV)
"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."
1 Peter 4:14-16 (MSG)
"If you're abused because of Christ, count yourself fortunate. It's the Spirit of God and his glory in you that brought you to the notice of others. If they're on you because you broke the law or disturbed the peace, that's a different matter. But if it's because you're a Christian, don't give it a second thought. Be proud of the distinguished status reflected in that name!"
Grandpa_Davidson,
You might also give evilmonkey some suggestions on how to copy and paste. He is still having problems with it also.
Grandpa_Davidson,
I'm with you but be prepared to take a tongue lashing for believing in that Bible from some anonomous and cowardly people? (cars, monkeys and disturbed things) on here . Maybe they will respect their elders if nothing else. Keep it coming.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 6:10 PM
parkerbrothers,
Again I have answered you several times, I will not cut and paste because you can read for yourself. Anonymous? is that what you tried to spell? Actually I have come face to face and told people who I was without any problem. I have posted my phone number more than 10 times for people to call. So if you want to call me cowardly, say that to my face. But to hide behind a keyboard and act like a child? That's plain ignorant.
I have asked you several questions, you have yet to answer, when you do, I might answer yours. Since you have a hard time reading and comprehending me, please seek more education or if you want I can help tutor you. I will charge you the same as I do anyone.
Until then, you may keep posting, but you will notice you have little to nothing to add.
Grandpa_Davidson,
Thanks for the tip, what I was trying to do had to do with a color issue and the conversion of a gif that was a different color RGB instead of the CYMK. That was the issue. I kept getting a window that popped up stating I needed to install a add-on but I knew I had it installed.
BTW I did get it fixed.
You might also give evilmonkey some suggestions on how to copy and paste. He is still having problems with it also.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 5:52 PM
I'm with you but be prepared to take a tongue lashing for believing in that Bible from some anonomous and cowardly people? (cars, monkeys and disturbed things) on here . Maybe they will respect their elders if nothing else. Keep it coming.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 6:13 PM
Thanks for adding so much to this blog.
Grandpa_Davidson,
Sorry sir, but you couldn't BE more wrong....HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE WORD CHRISTIAN APPEAR IN THE BIBLE? None. Christianity as such had not been invented, and the original Bible was not written in English. While the original biblical manuscripts were not written in English, therefore; the word Christian would not have been used at the time
And you've read the Greek version of the Bible, Disturbed?
Love,
Murphy's Law
I don't know about Disturbia, but have you?
No I haven't, but I am not the one disputing the occurance of the word Christian in the Bible. I am annoyed at people that claim knowledge of a subject without investigating the facts themselves. After reading many of Disturbia's posts, I think she is one of those people. JMO- kind of like those people that won't let their children read a Harry Potter book because some preacher told them not to, not because they read the book themselves and and made their own decision. I repect a person's opinion if he/she has taken the time to think for himself/herself, not just speak to stir up controversy. Disturbia seems to be full of hot air.
Exactly what have you proven here? That you're full of hot air too? Or fingers that outrun your mind?
Christianity as such had not been invented, and the original Bible was not written in English.
This answer is a wee bit misleading. The word "Christian" appears in all REVISED ENGLISH versions of the bible and one can go to the "blue letter bible" site and type in the word "Christian" and it will display the different chapters/verses where this word is used.
While the original biblical manuscripts were not written in English, therefore; the word Christian would not have been used at the time, just saying "None" and the short response concerning " Christianity as such, etc, etc, can give people the idea that it appears not in the bible that most of us are using, such as the English Version of the King James.
Murphy's Law,
For your information, Harry Potter is required reading in my house,we have read them many times and consider them to be classics so seems like you are a person that makes assupmtions without knowing any answers. I IN NO WAY LISTEN TO ANY RELIGIOUS "MAN" CONCERNING WHAT I SHOULD READ OR DO. I make my own decisions and I did my research about the word "Christian" in the bible and it did not exist until the bible was translated into english, I think for myself, I speak for myself, I do not need anyone to tell me what to think or what to feel. I don't need to stir up controversy. I would rather be full of hot air than full of s**t. BTW, you have a little left on your upper lip.
I do not seek to prove anything. I am just stating an observation, and I can assure you that my mind is much quicker than my fingers. Why are you concerned with my opinion? I want Disturbia to back up her statements with truth. Why is it so far-fetched that the word Christian appears in the Greek version of the Bible? I do not see opposition to the fact that the word Christ appears in same said version. So why would it be such a stretch that a word meaning 'followers of Christ' would occur in the verses that Grandpa Davidson listed?
Nice of you to come on a blog and add absolutely NOTHING TO IT..but that seems to be typical of you, don't know why I expected anything different.
I do not see opposition to the fact that the word Christ appears in same said version. So why would it be such a stretch that a word meaning 'followers of Christ' would occur in the verses that Grandpa Davidson listed?
-- Posted by Murphy's Law on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 10:24 PM
Umm, Christ wasn't a Christian... He was a JEW! Disturbia told you, "Christian" wasn't in the Bible, Greek, Hebrew, etc etc etc etc until the ENGLISH version was created... And then, they changed the others to conform. It's happened all throughout history. Get used to it.
Seems whatever Murphy's Law is smoking has clearly clouded his/her eyesight and brain considering I stated CLEARLY that it wasn't in ANY form of the bible until translated into ENGLISH, just as nascar pointed out, sure am glad he has the ability to read a full comment.
The bible will always be changed to conform, it's a ever-changing fairy tale and people can't accept that.
and you are right, if these followers of Christ were TRUE followers of Christ, they would be JEWISH, not Christian!
And why is it so far fetched to believe that the word Christian didn't exist until someone decided to translate a DEAD language and make up the word "christian"?
Disturbed,
I didn't question if Harry Potter was read in your home. My question is where did you get your information? You haven't given anything to back up your statements. When you make statements, you should have proof like I do, such as suggesting to others to read your past posts as evidence that you are indeed full of hot air.
I would rather be full of hot air than full of s**t. BTW, you have a little left on your upper lip.
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 10:13 PM
The above statement by Disturbia is PROOF that Disturbia is also a smart a**. :)
better to be a smart a** than a dumb a**. =]
and thank you for addressing the comments stating the proof, I don't know why you picked me out of 226 comments, but more power to you, if that's how you get your jolly's
Did I say Christ was a Christian? No, I asked why is it so far fetched to believe that FOLLOWERS of Christ were called Christians.
And Disturbed, continue with your insults to avoid typing anything intellegent.
Actually.. THIS is what you said :
Why is it so far-fetched that the word Christian appears in the Greek version of the Bible? I do not see opposition to the fact that the word Christ appears in same said version. So why would it be such a stretch that a word meaning 'followers of Christ' would occur in the verses that Grandpa Davidson listed?
-- Posted by Murphy's Law on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 10:24 PM
I do not think Murphey's law is smoking anything but is being hindered by Disturbia's hot air fogging up her monitor.
Disturbed,
I can see that you are still hiding behind grade school insults avoiding my question...
parkerbrothers,
Again I have answered you several times, I will not cut and paste because you can read for yourself. Anonymous? is that what you tried to spell? Actually I have come face to face and told people who I was without any problem. I have posted my phone number more than 10 times for people to call. So if you want to call me cowardly, say that to my face. But to hide behind a keyboard and act like a child? That's plain ignorant.
I have asked you several questions, you have yet to answer, when you do, I might answer yours. Since you have a hard time reading and comprehending me, please seek more education or if you want I can help tutor you. I will charge you the same as I do anyone.
Until then, you may keep posting, but you will notice you have little to nothing to add.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 6:58 PM
EvilMonkey,
You do appear to have enough education and knowlege to supply me and half the rest of the people on here with your surplus alone. Few people die accumulating a third of the knowledge you peeped out of MommaMonkeys' womb with.
I will address you as a Coward where and when I choose and my definition of a coward does not change with either the weather or the location. I do not hide behide my keyboard. My story to you is the same wherever I so be. Here at my desk or face to face with a self proclaimed EvilMonkey you will be a coward when I want you to be.
Your rattlings would appear more credible is you were not so ashamed to reveal yourself as the man/woman you are and answer a question that appears to have a Monkey penned.
This lowly and barely high school educated man here could indeed use more education of which you are blessed abundantly with but I can not afford the 800 lbs. you charge per hour for the administering of your rupturing wealth of knowledge.
My continued question is again: Tell me where you found enough information on this Jesus that you know to determine you love him and can accept him as Savior as you claimed without the use of this Bible that has been debated.
Answer the question and you get released from the cage you penned yourself into my Monkey.
HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE WORD CHRISTIAN APPEAR IN THE BIBLE? None. Christianity as such had not been invented, and the original Bible was not written in English. While the original biblical manuscripts were not written in English, therefore; the word Christian would not have been used at the time
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 8:19 PM
HOW MUCH CLEARER CAN I STATE THIS??? DO I NEED TO TATTOO IT ON YOUR FORHEAD? That is a clear intelligent statement. THE LATIN, HEBREW AND GREEK VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE DO NOT CONTAIN THE WORD CHRISTIAN. ONLY THE ENGLISH VERSION DOES, AFTER IT WAS REWRITTEN. It's not in the original version of the bible, makes sense that if GOD acknowledged Christians, then it would be in the bible that was originally written. Not the ones translated and retranslated time and time again.
If you think (and I use the word think lightly) that it is in the original version of the bible, then by all means, provide ME some proof.
When I was a child during the McCarthy era, the slogan "Kill a Commie for Christ" was indelibly burned into my brain by John Birchers and other right-wing White-Christian radicals.
When I was training to become an Officer the United States Army during the Viet-Nam War era, we chanted "Kill them all and let God sort them out". Virtually 100% of our military instructors, who taught us various methods of killing not only the alleged enemy, but innocent peasants as well, believed themselves to be Christians.
How strange indeed considering the inalterable fact that Jesus represented the purest form of Communism!!!
So-called Christians have presided over the Holocaust. (Hitler proclaimed his Christianity and that he was killing Jews for Jesus.) So-called Christians have promoted dictatorships, the destruction of Planet Eden's rain forests, animal torture in factory farms, and wars declared for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of the Military-Industrial Complex. Millions of people and billions of God's animal children have been butchered in the name of Jesus!!! How sad Jesus must be. How can genuine Christians expect Jesus to return when so many persons who proclaim themselves to be Christians are actually enlisted in the Army of Satan, whether they realize it or not!!!
My heart hurts and my eyes fill with tears, when I think of Jesus returning to our world and encountering the average self-proclaimed "Christian". He would be ridiculed for His dress and for His beard and hair. If He confronted the average "Christian" preacher in the average American church, He would be lectured and condemned for His ideals and teachings. He would be called a 'false prophet' and the extreme right-wing would no doubt condemn Him as the ANTICHIRST!!! Even if He quoted directly from the 'red-letter' edition of The Holy Bible, He would be accused of blasphemy!!!
It is obvious, that if Jesus were to return today He would face a second Crucifixion!!!
Lastly, isn't it quite odd that everytime 'Murphey's Law' shows, his 'Meaty' does too. Ironic.
I do not think Murphey's law is smoking anything but is being hindered by Disturbia's hot air fogging up her monitor.
-- Posted by Meaty on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 10:55 PM
And noone pulled your string there Meaty
Disturbia seems to be full of hot air.
-- Posted by Murphy's Law on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 9:37 PM
She gets it from a monkey in a car.
parkerbrothers, you are displaying a fine Christian etiquette on these blogs. Astonishing, may I add. I think I read where you said you were 49, do 49 year old's still go around saying things like "she gets it from a monkey in a car"? How grossly overrated your previous comments were, as I seriously considered them to be legit.
But obviously, you're deviation from the purpose of this conversation and resorting to childish insuations is laughable. When you feel like debating something, by all means do it. But refrain from your unneeded scapegoats, and leave child's on the playground.
There is nothing ironic about Murphy's Law and Meaty. Great minds think alike. Nothing like watching Disturbia become more disturbed. If that was even possible. LMAO
I love my Meaty!
Disturbed,
I am not the one so adamant about this. I simply asked a question that you obviously dont know the answer to. BTW, you spelled forehead incorrectly.
Goodnight Disturbed, have sweet dreams!
Another fine example of Christian etiquette... I am SURE Jesus would be proud of you... Very mature Meaty.
Disturbia seems to be full of hot air.
-- Posted by Murphy's Law on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 9:37 PM
She gets it from a monkey in a car.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 11:00 PM
A monkey is better than some third rate childish business man any day of the week.
AND LOVE HOW YOU ARE ALL TO BUSY SAYING THINGS ABOUT ME TO ACTUALLY REFUTE WHAT I SAID....most likely because you can't
Murphy's Law, you spell Disturbia wrong, everytime you say Disturbed...
I love my Meaty!
Disturbed,
I am not the one so adamant about this. I simply asked a question that you obviously dont know the answer to. BTW, you spelled forehead incorrectly.
Goodnight Disturbed, have sweet dreams!
-- Posted by Murphy's Law on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 11:06 PM
I answered your question, go back to your pipe and light it up crackhead
Well no one pulled your string "Jesus loves everyone". LOL! Nothing like sitting around on a Saturday night stirring up amusement.
There is nothing ironic about Murphy's Law and Meaty. Great minds think alike. Nothing like watching Disturbia become more disturbed. If that was even possible. LMAO
-- Posted by Meaty on Sat, Mar 15, 2008, at 11:05 PM
More like, two half brains make a mediocre mind.