Again, You state to be accepted as canon, the books have to be written by an apostle? Who has that authority to claim that? And why are those books not in there? Wasn't Thomas an apostle? Yet several of his books are not in the Bible.

Thomas' books were before Matthew, Luke...

BTW Michael this is a great topic, alot of good discussion can come out of these.

I have the amplified plus I have a Jewish bible and I also have a Jewish Rabbi for a friend who explains a lot to me.

When you read the bible you have to keep one thing in mind Ajewish Jesus talking to Jewish apostles.

You also need to understand Jewish traditions which I am studying now.

The Jewish bible I have is the complete Old and New Testament.

The friend I have explains the traditions and the words in Hebrew.

You get your info from your sources and I will get mine.

Then again we always seem to be on different sides of the track on our beliefs.

Makes me wonder if there is not a whole lot of differences on what we believe or what we are or appear to be.

When your car needs fixing you go to a mechanic or your sick you go to a doctor when I need inspiration I go to the word which is the Bible which is Jesus Christ.

The Rabbi expanse it from a Jewish view as far as feasts and ceremonies and other things that would simply amaze you.

You go count your sheep to sleep I will go count my blessings.

Don't forget Yeshua" Jesus"loves you.

Mr. Bell, before criticizing others, perhaps you can further expand on who your Jewish Rabbouni is. I studied four years of Latin, three of Greek, and have extensive background in the understanding of lanugage bases - such as Sanskrit and Hebrew. Also, my best friend is Jewish, and I have attended ceremonies with her and frequently discuss religious topics with her. Yes, that is learning from someone who is not a rabbi, but a person experiencing her faith. What better way to learn than from a person daily realizing the grace of God?

It seems that your ideas, Mr. Bell, sir, are the ones from across the train tracks - on a side that I do not want to visit.

Deep down, we seem to all believe in a kind, benevolent God, but the ways we express our feelings are different. You appear to believe that only through faith in Christ can one find salvation. What about the people in the Old Testament, for example, who did not know Christ, or people who never had the chance to know Christ due to geographical reasons (for another example)? Are they condemned because they do not believe in Jesus? Please let these ideas rumble through your brain, and add these souls to your prayers. It would be tragic to think that wonderful people who were geographical unable to find Christ or lived before his time are burning in Hell or sitting in Purgatory.

Excellent point. I believe we are warned continuously not to judge others because then we too will be judged. The Bible also tells us that if we are a teacher or preacher we will be judged more harshly than others. Makes you want to be very careful, Huh?

Thank you very much phoenix_rising...

Your posts are equally as humbling and I enjoy reading them. It's nice to see the love for knowledge and full understanding of the whole picture, such as what you exemplify. It only encourages me to continue my quest for the entire truth.

I hope to read more from you soon!

phoenix_rising,

The people before the cross looked ahead and forward to his coming. We look back at the cross. It took faith on both sides of the cross. It took faith on the cross.

Even the Pharisees, who were much educated like you, knew the season of the first coming was upon them at the cross but stumbled all over the top of it and missed it. He did not measure up to their educated standards. The cross was like last years' easter egg to them. They were right in the middle of it but could not find it.

We too are in the season of the second coming and look forward to it.

quantumcat,

I do believe you might have a little carpenter in you the way you hit that nail on the head. ...."The Holy Spirit can help us determine whether these works contain information we need to know or whether they set off the drivel detector."

Of coarse the only remaining problem is determining if the Evil One is playing Holy Spirit which he is known to do.

One thing always gives the Evil One away. It is the confusion that shadows him looking for a place to go..

I have found that their is no confusion originating from the Holy Spirit. He is not the author of confusion. Instead a soothing and calm know it in your heart settlement when you look at something.

parkerbrothers,

I guess men that killed millions of Christians, Jews, babies, and raped women and worshipped false gods are considered those discerning men you look up to? You are pretty closed-minded and really have very little to say. Keep regurgitated the same thing over and over, you One-tuned wonder. You keep preaching tolerance and how you are sorry for saying things, but you keep doing it? That is totally against God's principles of a "Christian". OH yeah, thats right you are immune to that...

Wow, again, so much to say yet nothing really said, Good job again. I don't know how you do it... Makes alot of people wonder ... Oh I hope your little zoning hearing works out.

jesuslovesevery1,

Not trying to confuse you. What are you confused about?

Parkerbrothers,

I have read through all the Michael's lastest blogs in which you seem to dominate. With this blog, Evil Monkey started the dialogue off in a positive manner by thanking Michael for this topic and the discussions that it might bring.

I don't agree with MOST of the things that EM brings to the table here, but you seem to be more into prodding and poking rather than leading and encouraging.

I am a strong Christian that believes that the hard questions do have to be asked and answered but its all about timing and tone... which you should work on.

Pleasebenice,

Thank you for your comment - you seem to sum up the main reason for parkerbrothers being here.

From Michael:"If you can't believe the Bible we have now then how could you possibly believe the restof these."

-- I believe that the Bible is here for Spiritual FRUIT, not to be a religious NUT... And, many of us DO believe that the Bible serves a purpose, but why not get the full picture? I mean, how would the history of the U.S. read if we just knew about 1492-1600, skipped over 100+ years to the "founding of the country" 1776-1820, then skipped over 100 years (excluding the civil war, and more) to pick up with the Great Depression until now. It wouldn't make sense, and it would leave you wondering WHAT HAPPENED?

That is all I am trying to say to you. I don't believe you can honestly tell me you have read most of those "other books" and come to the conclusion that they neither add, nor take away from the Word. In fact, it can not be true. Faith, that you speak so strongly about Michael isn't supposed to be blind faith, it is supposed to be guided by action and leaving your spirit longing for MORE. Not settling for what you have.

:)

I think we have to trust God to provide His wisdom and discernment-even when we choose to reject it.

He can give us canonized scriptures,other theological documents,scientific treatises,sermons,Nature,lessons from the minds around us-and even popular culture.

Our sources for His truth are as limitless as His imagination.

When we open our eyes,hearts and minds,we may first sense the wrongness in what the enemy puts before us.

Then we might notice the more obvious evidence of God.

Finally,we would be exposed to subtleties that would require us to plunge deeper into the material available and begin to "think God's thoughts after Him."

Somewhere along the way,we would have to decide whether we would ally with God or not.

We might find that choice as easy as a child named Anna once did when she met her "Mr. God" or be as aged and reluctant as C.S. Lewis when we accept God-IF we accept God.

Famous believers like Charles Templeton (co-founder of Youth for Christ) and ex-Olympian Jonathan Edwards have even felt it necessary to withdraw from their Christianity when it stopped being a given in their lives and required looking for the answers to tough questions.

They found walking away from an empty but public belief hard but liberating.

It was necessary to pull away from cultural Christianity when they discovered they lacked a certain and personal faith and what they had once relied on began eroding for lack of a firm foundation.

Sometimes,an honest unbelief or admission that one does not know the Gospel as true can have more substance than a religion that is as casually integrated into life as the latest fad.

These men may have been apostates,they may have never had real belief or they may have turned in a semblance of faith while they determined whether it could be found in reality.

God would know the status of their hearts.

Perhaps,we should assume (until informed otherwise) that He is guiding people toward Him in His own way,on His own time rather that assume that He cannot use a certain tool or cannot bond with a certain spirit.

I think that God wants our allegiance to Him to be less about knowing religious facts (which can cause confusion and conflict) and more about knowing Him and acting as He would act.

That covenant would be harder to misunderstand and impossible to lose.

Ridiculous. Nobody can even carry a conversation with you anymore... If you have absolutely nothing else to say except to continue to bring up Stargate, then stop.

You only make yourself look foolish. I don't know why you insist on this repetitive isolationism of a completely moot point.

phoenix_rising,

In reference to you comments below:

"we should add ALL the books so that we have a whole and complete canon.".....and....."I would rather read all I can on the life of Jesus than bits and pieces picked over by people who believe they are higher than the power of God and can remove Scripture (remember the warning at the end of Revelations?)."

I remember it all too well. Perhaps you need to remember it more clearly yourself. It clearly states a problem with "adding" or "removing".

In reference to your comment:

"The Jews at the time of Christ's resurrection weren't looking forward, or looking back."

I belive you err in your thinking. The Jews you mentioned were actually looking both ways at that time. The ones who realized who he was were looking back at his appearing and the ones who did not recognize him for what he was were still looking forward to his appearing.

In reference to your comment:

"If I am not mistaken, were the Pharisees not the ones who actually had the final word in condemning Christ? That to me, sir(s), does not sound like someone who "stumbled all over the top of it [Christ's coming] and missed it".

Your comment above you produced shows your blindness to the true light. Why would the Pharisees condemn the Christ they were waiting and looking for if they saw the light which was Christ? They indeed stumbled over the promised one.

And lastly in reference to your comment:

"You are correct: Jesus was not considered educated enough to be a high priest."

I say you even err in your reading of my post.

I said: "He did not measure up to their educated standards."

Evil Monkey

I read about Constantine and I never saw anything about removing any scripture. Do you know where I can find that information?

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Tue, Mar 25, 2008, at 9:17 PM

Your not answering my questions now. What happened to you?

Okay, parkerbrothers, since you like bullet points...

1. When that line in Revelations was written how do we know what books were IN the Bible or OUT of the Bible? There is your first fallacy - not knowing enough about your situation. While you can elude to a proponderance of the evidence when it comes to that passage, I believe in having reasonable doubt, which is a higher degree of certainty. Were you present at the Council of Nicea? Because of you were, I would love to sit down and talk with you and get a better understanding of exactly what took place there. And if you were there, then you would know that the Council of Nicea did not HAVE a collected book of the Bible, but rather writings from individual groups and churches. They looked at all the writings and put together a Bible that would later be further diluted. How do we know that they didn't fulfill that warning in Revelations? Oh, that's right. You were there, so you can tell us all.

2. Again, you seem to be a master at time travel and telepathy. To have been present at the time of Christ's death, and not only that, to have been able to read the minds of ALL the Jews? Oh my God. You are truly a wonder.

3. The Pharisees knew there was a messiah coming, but they did not believe - at least the majority of them - that it would be in the form of a Jewish carpenter. And you still make NO point in countering the fact that the Pharisees had the final say in the death of Jesus. Would they kill their own messiah, if they had believed Jesus was the messiah? No.

4. And by the way, "Jesus was not considered educated enough to be a high priest" and "He did not measure up to their educated standards" are the same. So the words are different; the concept remains solid.

It seems, sir, that you indulge in petty word matches (such as seen in point 4) far too much. Like I said, go back to playing with other ten year olds. I'm sure the discussions of Hannah Montana and Lizzie Maguire.

darrick_04,

In reference to your comment:

"Ridiculous. Nobody can even carry a conversation with you anymore... If you have absolutely nothing else to say except to continue to bring up Stargate, then stop."

Let me bring up something different for you now. How about some other deflamating comments about our Bible and Jesus from you:

"Just not being naive to believe a book full of errors..."

- "I wish I could personally say I read the Bible daily but I don't. I feel like it's a big Hollywood production, honestly. Fairytales, magic, witchcraft, wars, etc etc. It all seems odd."

"The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies."

"Wow... nascar, I didn't even think about Jesus being born unto a "virgin"... Now, all of a sudden he is a "direct descendant of David", perhaps adoption has been around longer than I presumed.'

"It's fine that you believe this nation was founded on Christian principles, by all means Believe that. But don't confuse those who did believe vehemently in Christianity, with those who didn't...

You always have suggestions for me. I think it is time I have one for you. Go trade your loafers in for a pair of boots.

We need to open up a Parkerbrothers Library of Archives...

Don't you love how you leave out EVERY good quote anyone made? It's laughable... Now, why don't you go find those? Put them in a folder and continually repost them?

darrick_04,

Seems I rubbed on another sore spot.

Ben-gay anyone???

Seems I rubbed on another sore spot.

Ben-gay anyone???

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Are you serious? Still waiting on a 49 year old to act like it.

Are you serious? Still waiting on a 49 year old to act like it.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:28 PM

AMEN.

Oh so your name calling and childish antics aren't able to be scrutinized I see. "Ben-gay" anyone? Seriously. Grow up. I am probably just a few years younger than you, and if I become that insane at the age of 49, take me out of my mysery now.

Then put your brain to use and do some actual thinking before damning another.

-- Posted by phoenix_rising on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:24 PM

It is great in one way to see you think I have some power capable of damning another but bad in another that you think I could.

I only stated quotes and if they themselves be damning to another so be the quotes.

I wonder why. (See comment above yours!)

Your metaphors are childish. G'night

nascarfanatic,

They are simply on the side of the jar.

Sorry you have a hard time again with something that simple.

Ouch!!!

Is there a chiropractor or neurologist in the house?

Sometimes things like capsaicin and ginger provide healing and stimulation.

Sometimes,Aspirin can soothe as well.

Other times,they're just irritating.

Arnica,menthol,eucalyptus,camphor,nutmeg and such have their place but they can't help much if the pain comes from an injury that needs professional care.

Here's to keeping our heads on straight,avoiding headaches and pains in the neck and knowing when applying fragrant oils will enable folks to move as they might wish and when they just make blisters.

May we never be crippled or hurt by the wrong kinds of manipulation and may the touch of a skilled Healer rid us of all that might distort how we stand and how we walk.

quantumcat,

Don't worry about me offering anybody anything for a sore spot I rubbed on from now on. Let it just be sore if it need be.

Parkerbrothers,

I thank GOD that you have no right to judge a human, for if you did, we would all be burning in the fires of Hell - including your unwaivering, unforgiving, un-open mind. I pray that your soul finds love and openness for your fellow man.

-- Posted by phoenix_rising on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 1:28 AM

I have to say your first sentence is totally correct. We would all (especially me) be burning in hell if anyone was doing the judging if the judging was done in keeping with God's character according to what he had seen fit to display and teach of his character.

Praying for my soul to find love and openness for my fellow man does you no good nor anyone to cure the first sentence above. Spend your time instead thanking god for the simple plan of salvation by his chosen sacrafice that appeases his wrath and anger of the sins of all of us (especially mine).

To help you better access the situation I remind you there is a time to feed fish and bread and there is a time to turn the tables over and make a scourge of small cords. It might also help to remember he did not say pleasebenice or prettypleasebenice as he drove them out of the temple. Unless of coarse you are "a strong Christian" of Stargate.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 8:53 PM

I will not get into a back and forth with you. I do not believe that you have to be hateful and condescending in order to be a strong Christian.

My point is simply this, this blog is an EXCELLENT way to spread the Word of God. Whether someone is here to pick a fight or to find answers, either way it's a great opportunity to plant a few seeds. You should be aware of the power that you have in this place to talk of Jesus' love, mercy, grace and peace.

Again, I beleive hard questions do have to be asked and the hard answers have to be given...but it's about timing and tone.

Again, I beleive hard questions do have to be asked and the hard answers have to be given...but it's about timing and tone.

-- Posted by pleasebenice on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 1:14 PM

I think we both agree on your comment.

We just do not agree on timing and tone itself which is fine. I respect your decisions for your timing and your tone. I ask you to understand that I have an opinion myself of the correct time and tone.

I feel that if the moneychangers would have been selling Stargate as a more credible book than the gospels in the temple he might have done even more than overthrow the tables and drive them out with a scounge of cords. I would not have been suprised to see him bring the temple down itself upon them.

I do not believe he would have offered them endless fish to eat and a bottomless basket of bread on the side.

A passive and mellow tone is fine for some occasions but there are things that should rub you in a way to not just sit there.

This passive attitude of most Christians has no doubt led to prayer being allowed to be stripped out of school and innocent children of women.

As I said pleasebenice, you have the right to determine your timing and tone and I will respect it although I know what it produces.

Seen it too many times.

parkerbrothers

The lost books of the bible were compiled into a Bible itself called the "Lost Bible".

You can purchase this book here:

http://www.rdstore.com/product_detail.cfm?affcode=...

These books were written long after the apostles had died so they are hearsay of what may or may not have happened. They were not written by the apostles themselves and that is why they were rejected.

Look at the religous works out there today in the christian stores. Those are all stories people wrote about that came from their minds and heart. Just like the book "The Da vinci Code" which was written by an author who wrote a "what if" story in hopes of making a Million Dollar sale.

I personally don't think the books would harm anyone as long as they don't take them as gospel truth. They people who chose the books to be in the Bible were inspired by God so you could say that God chose the books He wanted in the Bible.

Unique-Lies,

I have two copies of a book called "The Lost Scriptures". I think it has 47 of the letters in it. Does the "Lost Bible" have all the purported missing scriptures in it?

Most of the so-called missing scriptures I have read seemed to have been written from a different time and people. A lot of them had similarities and a feel to them that made me think they were probably written by a group within a specific time period but much later than the time of the apostles.

Thanks for the help you have offered without condemning me for my lack of knowledge and education.

Parkerbrothers

I can't tell you much about the Lost Books. You will have to go on a search engine and find your book. I only see about 30 Lost books. There are I think something like 220 dead Sea Scrolls Those have been put in a bible also.

Just type in Lost books. Do same for Dead sea scrolls and let your computer give you the website where you can find out more.

The bible is very hard to understand so I don't condemn anyone who tries or just hasn't read enough to know a lot. I had trouble learning anything until the holy spirit revealed the truth to me.

I started reading the bible in the early 70s with the plans of tearing the bible apart and proving it wrong. Couldn't prove anything against Bible. Over the years everything started falling in place. Things that the Bible couldn't tell me would show up on the TV eventually and explain it to me. I must have been in the right place at the right time.

As for the Lost Books and the dead Sea Scrolls, I am not interested in them because God didn't put them in the Bible. I still haven't read the entire Bible and probably won't ever read every chapter of it in my lifetime, so I don't need to start on other books, LOL.

Parkerbrothers

Nothing wrong with that. How do you know what is in them if you don't read them. I don't read them so I can't answer questions about them.

I have seen them discussed on the History Channel or A&E and found them interesting. What I heard was not damning to me however the stories of Noah and Mary Magdalene are nothing but anti-christ. They discredit the flood and Noah himself and tried to say Mary started the Christian movement. Even some experts were agreeing with the lies on TV.

The story "the Da Vinci Code" is anti-christ but it was just a fictional book story then a movie. A what-if type story the author was hoping to make money on and had nothing to do with the bible.

The story did effect many weak believers into thinking it was or could have been true.

These stories won't lead the true believer away from God but there are weak believers who aren't strong in the beliefs.

I Tried to find a list of titles of Lost Books, Gnostic books and Dead Sea Scrolls with no luck.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are nothing more than scrap pieces of documents with large pieces miising. They experts want me to believe they can tell what was being said on those missing pieces. I don't buy that for a minute. They could say anything. We will never know the truth.

If they were so important why weren't they put in the bible? Jesus spoke out when He walked the earth, so He would condemn anyone who tried to hide the truth from the world.

Luke 17:33

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Since these Document were hidden in several caves I must believe someone was trying to save his life by hiding the documents. Not something God would want us to do if they were God's True work.

Your calling in life may be to prove the books correct or false documents???

Michaelbell,

I am not trying to be negative with you but I really think you should give a little more guidance on these additional letters and books instead of just throwing them out there for someone to get confused with.

I know you gave a brief on some of the reasons books were included but it just seems to be a little more than should have been exposed at once without further expounding by you on fewer of them at a time. Just my opinion.

Again, I am not condemning you at all. I think you do a wonderful job and you leave no doubt as to where your faith originates and now lies. Keep up the good work. I wish we were all more like you including myself.

jesuslovesevery1,

I hate you see Michael as being a hellfire and brimstone broadcaster. I do not think that is a fair assessment of what he has done you are giving him.

Yes, he will mention the truth of what he knows about God's character both good and bad. But I have watched him bring it out of the Bible as it should be. It would be different if he was trying to represent something other than the Bible or that was not in it.

The God of the Bible is so pure and perfect it can not be comprehended by human mind at this time. He is so pure and perfect that he can not be in the presence of sin as He (not us) sees it and be anything but angry. He has an absolute Zero tolerance for it. He is God and can see and feel as He chooses.

How can something be Good News (Gospel) if nothing was bad. It takes bad to see good. The greater you realize the bad is the better the good appears.

You can not and will not comprehend the depth of the Love of Christ until you are able to see and measure the wrath of God he covers.

If you deny the wrath of the Father you deny the love of the Son. You make his trip to the cross worthless or almost meaningless at most when you deny the extent of wrath he gave his life for to cover.

Michael has not even touched on the surface of the wrath of an angry God. I do not think you or many on here could bear the full blunt force of the acknowledgement of an accurate assessment of the true wrath of my God.

If you ever can grasp the wrath you will not be able to hold the love of Christ in you. The love is equally and directly proportionate to the wrath.

What has Christ done for you. It wasn't much if you had a Santa Claus type for God who was just a jolly old man. He might have actually just stayed at home since you did not have much of an anrgy and wrathful God.

You really have no idea of what he done for us.

jesuslovesevery1,

On the wrath issue. What I have witnessed is what I read about in the Bible. To read it with faith is just as good as being there to me. That is the wrath I have witnessed. I have witnessed Gods' wrath on Sodom and Gommorrah by reading about it in the Bible. It might have been easier if I had of used the word "read" about instead of "witnessed" for you. I can see how you could view it as you did. I did make the mistake of assuming that everyone reads it with faith as I do and can understand what I was talking about. I apologize for not seeing that you would not understand what I was saying. I will try to watch it in the future and remember that.

I agree with your comment...

"He won't be asking you, what I did, or what two men or two women did. He's going to tell us none of what they did was any of our business, so long as nobody was being hurt."

but probably in a different way. He is not going to ask those questions but it will be because he already knows what we will have done. Also I have never heard of the defense "so long as nobody was hurt" being used. Where did you learn of that? And even if it was a defense to use, what about Gods' feeling being hurt by seeing us commit something vile and detestable in his sight in a willful manner as if nothing was wrong with it. Yes, in his sight. Closing the bedroom door or bolting the closet door is of none effect.

The reference to my saying "I will not succumb to the inducements" has never been used to escape a debate. The only time I have said that is when someone on here wants to use insults of me to provoke me into the same behavior as theirs. It actually works quite well for me in controlling the urge to blurt out a rebuttal of insults. Give me something to think about or ask a question and I will try to answer, but to answer and respond in like kind to nothing but slurs and insults to me will not happen again if I can control it. I like making a CHOICE and control my urge to respond to insults with insults.

Maybe Jack would not mount the back of Mack if he taped a sign on his back that said "I will not do what is vile and detestable" three times before he made his CHOICE.

And jesuslovesevery1, I honestly have failed to see where Michael says everyone but him is going to hell. Maybe you can guide me to where all these comments are at so I can view them for myself. I just do not remember reading that on any occasion on here. I know a lot of people have been aggravated at me for mentioning something about what someone was claiming but at least give me credit for showing you how you can not deny what I said. Show me this is not a figment of the imagination if you can.

Disturbia

What do you want to talk about or debate?

I do not mind the inducement of a question or comment.

It is just the negative and degrading remarks that I do want to be drawn into matching and participate in any longer.